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 |  gas consumption -- new mustang, 08/27/2005
hello, I have always loved mustangs and i finally got one, a 1969 fastback with a 302. I have one question though. What gas mileages do people get from their mustangs. i get around 14mpg. Does this sound rite. Can i improves this slightly but adding on some aftermarket part??
Thanks everyone
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|  | RE: gas consumption -- giacamo, 08/27/2005
depends how you drive and what gears you have in the rear and how good your engin is? i.v sean a good tuned 302 two br carbed 69 torino with 3.00 gears get 18/20 mpg....... |
 | 66 trunk lock -- patrick, 08/26/2005
recently while driving, the cylinder from my trunk lock fell out. now I have a hole where the lock used to be (the bezel is still attached to the trunklid). Any ideas on how to open my trunk now? can a new lock replace it? thanks for your help. |
| | RE: 66 trunk lock -- raycfe, 08/26/2005
If you can see clear into the latch, turn the slot with a screwdriver. Or remove back seat. Or park in the bad section of town.LOL |
| Electric Fan for my Big Block -- John, 08/24/2005
Gents, My 67 Fastback Mustang has the 390 FE. I am looking for a good electric puller fan that can huff and meet my cooling needs. Anybody have a good recommendation? |
|  | RE: Am I missing something here -- McQ, 08/25/2005
I think he's dreaming he owns a $155K Torino!
It's a rare Torino convertible for sure what with a 429CJ/drag pack - without ram air.
But it's like.....oh I can't be judgemental on someone who I don't even know. But it's my opinion that there are some people who like to list their cars/possessions for sale just to show off. And I guess a lot of us like to show off our cars, i.e., shows, cruises, drag races, etc. We all like some affirmation that we're not the only nuts. So I'm certainly one who needs the support too.
But $155,000 for a '70 Torino Drop-Top, SCJ 429 automatic......who knows? |
| | RE: Am I missing something here -- JeffTepper, 08/25/2005
My guess is his wife told him to sell it and he is going through the motions with no intention of selling it. That way he can say "see honey, I tried" |
|  | Still no sale after 5 days -- Mark Viera, 08/26/2005
Can anyone guess what this car may really be worth? |
| | | RE: Still no sale after 5 days -- 68S-Code, 08/26/2005
I checked NADA Classic Cars. They do not even list Torino Convertibles. A hardtop GT 429 has a high retail of around $54K. |
| | | | | RE: and check out that steering wheel! -- McQ, 08/27/2005
That's a very rare optional Sports Steering wheel for '69.
My humble opinion - greatest Fairlane ever! |
| '68 -W- code cam? -- McQ, 08/23/2005
Since I'm just sitting here tonight feeling alive with FE enthusiasm I came up with a question...what camshaft was actually used in the '68 -W- code 427 Cougar?
At first I was thinking it was just the old smoothy...the C6OZ-B but then wait, it couldn't be because there needs to be grooves on the cam journals for the sideoiler. So was there a different profile ground onto the 427 hydraulic shaft? Or was it the same as the GT/CJ/P/GT500?
Royce?
Thanks,
McQ |
| Block ID -- Dano, 08/23/2005
Anyone ever seen a dot with the number 6 next to it on an FE block where the 352 usually is? |
| | RE: Block ID -- giacamo, 08/23/2005
some 360 pickup truck blocks and industrial havy duty webbed blocks have a dot and a meior image 105 cast on them that may apear to look like a 601 |
| | | RE: Block ID -- Dano, 08/24/2005
The block has the extra webbing, but a 390 bore. If you have ever seen 351C heads they have a dot 2 or dot 4 on the front corner of the heads depending on 2v or 4v. The marking on this block looks exactly like the Cleveland head mark except is is a dot 6 on the block. |
| | | | RE: Block ID -- giacamo, 08/24/2005
it maybe a 70,s 360 block same bor as a 390, look at the hole the dist end go.s in and see if it,s the large one for the truck dist or the small one for the auto dist. i wish i knew the size if its a truck block it will nead a bushing to make the auto dist work any way i,d say it,s a late 70,s block witch i prefor over the early ones if i was cheary picking bilders..... |
| Complete '69 Q code torino found in boneyard -- Ben, 08/22/2005
Just ran across a complete 1969 Q code Torino in a local junkyard. Everythig appears to be original, even the smog eqipment is there. Same old story, the owner's son is going to restore it someday. As of now it sits outside under a tree rotting away. The body and interior are pretty rough. I am going to try and get the son to part with it. My question is this: What would be a reasonable offer for this vehicle. I have no problem paying what it is worth, just don't want to get too carried away. |
| | RE: Complete '69 Q code torino found in boneyard -- McQ, 08/23/2005
Ben, this is a great find and well worth pursuing. I'd suggest you follow the eaby listings for Fairlane and Torino. Watch specifically for the -Q- codes and -R- code, '69s of course.
I think you'll see lots of reserves in the $20's that don't get met. My opinion is that a '69 Fairlane Cobra or Torino GT w/428CJ will bring a ball park figure of $18K. That's in good to excellent condition.
A complete '69 -Q- code needing resto I would think is worth $7 - $10. As you can see they're not a big money maker.....yet. They're fabulous cars that can still be purchased "reasonably".
There was an 11,000 mile Cyclone CJ with ram air and drag pack on ebay last week. It may be the lowest mileage original Cobra Jet anything on the planet. The high bid was $31 something and that did not meet the seller's reserve.
Hope I haven't confused you. To the point....offer him $4 grand! That'd be a good deal to me. |
| | The drive train alone is worth $8K easy... -- John Bednorz, 08/23/2005
assuming the correct CJ tranny and 31-spline rear are still there.
Also assuming that there's not a 390 short block sitting under those heads. |
| 67 s code mustang -- Jon Varley, 08/22/2005
Does anybody know how many 1967 mustang coupes 390 4speed not GTs. This is not a GT but all numbers match has deluxe interior,tach in dash, disc brakes front, no power steering. I have a picture of it new and it is alpo blue, white top, black interior? I do not recall this combo? Thanks JON |
| | RE: 67 s code mustang -- McQ, 08/23/2005
Sure, the -S- code 390GT engine was available to a non Mustang GT buyer. It wasn't encouraged by Ford or the dealers but a buyer could pick-n-choose the options you've listed on a non GT car. The '67 390 Mustang, Thunderbird Special it was called in the brochure, was rated at 320 horses, down 15 from the '66 Fairlane GT390...why? No one knows for sure. But whatever, the car you've described/asked about would/is a cool rare one.
How many? Get a Marti report. That'll give you all you should want to know. |
| | | RE: 67 s code mustang -- walt, 08/23/2005
the cam was different |
| | | | RE: nope -- McQ, 08/23/2005
The camshaft used in the '66 390GT and the '67 390GT was ..... C6OZ-6250B. The exact same cam, part # and all, as used in the 428CJ/SCJ.
Nope there was no difference. There was a cam difference between the standard performance 390 rated at 315 horsepower in '66. It was the same cam as used for a few years in regular Galaxies, etc. But this engine, the -Z- code was not available to the Mustang buyer ever. It was availabel to the Fairlane buyer in '66 & '67. |
| | | | | Actually one minor difference.... -- hawkrod, 08/23/2005
If it was not ordered with the GT package it was supposed to get a closed element air cleaner to reduce engine noise. Ford assumed people ordering big engine non performance cars wanted luxury so quiet was important. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | RE: Actually one minor difference.... -- McQ, 08/24/2005
That brings up some questions:
first I know the '66 F'lane/Cyclone GT 390 got the true open element air cleaner just like a single 4V 427, HP289 and the painted Police packages.
But it's the '67 that got really funky - I mean it got cute little windows to allow more air in. That air cleaner was part of the GT equipment package if you a buyer also ordered a 390 in '67? So a non GT package Mustang 390 car wouldn't have the little windows with mesh screen?
How about '68? Torino/Montego/Mustang or Cougar, it doesn't really matter. Was the only difference between an -S- code 390 air cleaner and a -Y- code or -X- code 2V in the air cleaner lid? The -S- engine getting chrome and the -Y-/-X- getting Ford blue paint?
Isn't this all just earth shaking stuff? But I like knowing it!
Thanks Hawkrod. |
| | | | | | | You got it... -- hawkrod, 08/24/2005
67 S code non-GT package cars got an air cleaner with a snorkel instead of the screens. The 68 S code air cleaner has a vacuum motor on the side of the air cleaner body and the snorkle is specific and different than the 2V. Hawkrod |
| | | RE: 67 s code mustang -- walt, 08/23/2005
ps forgot,seen a 390 2v in a 67,guy said it was original.the other odd one a boss 302 n a late 68,ford did pull some stuf,and ten i had friends that worked at dearborn assembly and the engine plant change id's on engines,passed off 428's 410's as 390's,hadto meet them numbers,production |
| | | | RE: no 390-2V in '67 -- McQ, 08/23/2005
There wasn't a 390-2V opiton to Mustang buyers in '67. There was in '68 buit it wasn't offered at the beginning. But I did see a '68 coupe, non-GT, 2V 390 once too. But never have I seen a '67 'stang with a factory 2V.
Open to learning though. |
| | | | | 390 X-code -- Barry B, 08/23/2005
I've seen a couple '68 Mustangs and Cougars with the 2bbl. premium fuel 390, very strange option! What was the rational behind it? |
| | | | | | RE: 390 X-code -- McQ, 08/23/2005
I saw one for sale locally many years ago. It was a black bodied coupe, white vinyl top, automatic. It's the only one I've ever seen.
It's still here and resto-modded beautifully with a nicely built 428.
What I forgot, or actually did not know, was that the -X- code 2V 390 '68 Mustang was a premium fuel engine. I had noticed that Royce had said there never was a regular fuel 390 in Mustangs or Cougars. I thought he was wrong for a minute or two. Did some checking around....yes indeed, premium fuel 2V.
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| | | | I am curious about a 68 Boss 302..... -- hawkrod, 08/23/2005
Of course we never say never but since the Boss 302 was not available until almost the end of the 69 model year and planning and development didn't even begin until well after 69 production started how could a 68 have originally had a Boss engine since they not only did not exist while 68's were in production, but the blueprints to make the prototype molds were not even drawn until after 69 production began. I would believe one of the 68 TP cars may have been used as a mule for the Boss engine but the car was not built with it, it was swapped in later. Hawkrod |
| | | | | RE: I am curious about a 68 Boss 302..... -- walt, 08/23/2005
67'68,been over 30 yrs ago?but that 68 it was an older guy driving it,told me thats the way he bought it at the dealership,also in 1970,was going down m-39,at rotunda drive,got passed by a 72 torino?what about all the engines that went to repair thet had broken reamers .drills bad castings?and then another thing that was brought up,2 pics taken in 1969,one was a 427 tunnel port being put in a mustang ON THE LINE,the other was at ford egineering,in the background there a 71 mach,danrn its rough when you only lived 3 miles from the ford test track and engineering |
| | | | | | Engines that had broken drills, reamers etc.. -- hawkrod, 08/23/2005
Damaged engines were never sent to the assembly plant, they were repaired or destroyed at the engine plant. You have to remember that the assembly plant and the engine plant are in different places and there was no reason to truck damaged goods from one place to another. As for a TP 427 assembly photo, I have to call you on that one. You are wrong about what you saw and you can not provide a copy of it because it never existed. Sorry Walt but you have made some outrageous claims but this one is just full of dog doo. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | RE: Engines that had broken drills, reamers etc.. -- walt, 08/23/2005
your opinion,welcome to it,i had friends that worked the engine plant,and repair pool,and that 69 photo of the tp,maybe it was posed,i douted that one my self,but it was posted in a mag |
| | | | Oh yeah, and just how is it the plant could have.. -- hawkrod, 08/23/2005
How is it teh plant could have extra engines laying around to instal in other cars when they ran short? Your buds are telling stories because Ford did not assemble cars that way (and doesn't). Engines are shipped from the assembly plant based on scheduled units for assembly. If 1000 Mustangs are to be built then they ship 1000 engines setup for Mustangs. Where would these other mythical engines come from that they used when they ran short of the proper ones? They did not keep a pile of extras laying around, thats for sure. Most engines were installed within days or receipt and that is why most cars of the time have engine casting dates so close to the productiuon date of the car. Obviously tehre are exceptions for low volume units but 390 Mustangs usually have the casting dates 2-3 weeks before final assembly of the whole car. think about that fact, The engine block was cast, machined, assembled, and shipped usually in less than 2 weeks before a car hit the skids and assembly began. No, it was rare when the wrong engine was installed and when it did happen it was not likely on purpose. Hawkrod |
| | | | | RE: Oh yeah, and just how is it the plant could have.. -- walt, 08/23/2005
i'm not here to argue,had too many friends on the test track side of the spetrum also,ever see 3 duces for the boss 29,and 351 c, f x stuff,yep,66 big body with the over head in it ,yep.and my nieghbor,ford engineer,66 fairlane with a 427?yep,and an all aluminum boss 29 in the to be destroyed dumpster,yep.ps hawk did you ever work production? |
| | | | | | No, not production, I was..... -- hawkrod, 08/23/2005
I was on the warantee end of things and I too was very near a plant. I have a number of freinds and acquaintances that were line workers as well as people in our local club who were line workers. I have spent years learning as much as I could about how things worked, I have been to the archives doing research and I have interviewed many people who were on the line and even some engineers who designed the process. Test tracks and special stuff do not have anything to do with production and anything you heard from those guys has no bearing on the reality that is and was the assembly line process. Hawkrod |
| | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- McQ, 08/23/2005
See you what you started Jon with your questions regarding a pretty rare plain jane -S- code '67 coupe?
Okay since we're off on some fun stuff now, and it's always good to hear from you Hawkrod, I'll tell you one I saw with me own eyes......but I don't claim it to be a FoMoCo build/installation.
T'was in late May-O-'68. I was in the Seattle region for for the kinda fun any 20 yr.old looks for in Seattle. But I knew from some source that Hayward Ford's Ed Terry was up from Cali on a match race-promo tour with his '68 Mustang Cobra Jet 428. Note that I don't indicate it as an -R- code or -S- code or even a BOSS cause no one gave a crap what the 5th unit on the VIN was then. So fun for me on that day and evening was going to the drags at Puyallup Raceway. Ed's white 'stang was on display in the parking lot at a Ford dealership in Kent. We got to that Ford store ASAP that day. Had to get there before Ed & crew hauled the new CJ out to the strip for the night time races.
What do you think was bolted into the engine bay of that Mustang? BTW, Ed's Mustang was one of those first batch, race only, no sound deadners, radios, heaters, PS, etc. Just a white package with black interior. It was nicely lettered/decked out in Hayward Ford's best promo style. Back to the engine room....
Would you guess an SS prepped CJ? You'd be wrong. It was a fully prepped Sideoiler, Tunnel Port 427. Ed was there to answer the stupid questions of a bunch of Ford crazies and he was a gentleman indeed. He explained to me and my fellow blue oval fanatics that this was a promo tour for Ford's entry into true, affordable street performance. And those Marketing Execs back at the glass house in Dearborn wanted WINS anywhere these Mustangs went. They wanted Hemis and Big Block Chevrolets to be humbled to say the least. Hence, the use of the brutal one.....427. Ed said that for legal SS racing the CJ went back in.
So how'd the '68 Mustang CJ do? Fabulous!! It was matched with a local record setting '67 Satellite Hemi. First run, Ed takes it easily with a low low 11 sec. E.T. When that 'stang came off the line, we had good postions front row near the starting line, it sounded.....I hate to use this word but it's all I can think of right now - Awesome!! I had personally never seen a FoMoCo SS car ever sound like that. If I close my eyes and really think about it, I can still get goose bumps. We were so proud.
Second run....okay, he had to let the local Hemi legend win one.
Third & final.....11.00 seconds flat, the Mighty Mustang takes it.
Remember the tires used in '68? Nothing like what's available today. And I don't think sub frame connectors were used either.
Was it a factory job? No way brothers in blue. It was the way we admired them and I bet most of us still do....it was "Built not Bought". |
| | | | | | Yeah, A good friend of mine owns Ed's 69 TP car -- hawkrod, 08/23/2005
It is white as well with glass body parts and everything. They started with a 6 cylinder body and deleted anything that weighed anything. The car is amazingly intact except for the TP and has been offered on eBay through a broker in the last couple of years but wow, what a ride! Hawkrod |
| | | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- walt, 08/23/2005
wy to go mr Q,i swapped so manyparts to get them 390's to run 12,high 11;s,and when the 428 cj came out made my job a lot easier,the 427 were rare then also,seen more hemi's or l88's 100 to one with the 427 ford |
| | | | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- Jon Varley, 08/24/2005
Just what I wanted!! I found this mustang and I have done a couple over the years. My HS best friend drove a 1968 289 3 sp coupe to school in 68. I did a cool 68 302 all options except disc brakes, consel. Now I have a this cool stang to do with my friend for 40yrs. I will be at rt66 next month yellow w/jag rear, 28 high back and Lynns AMC scrambler So I hope to see some of you Thanks for all the info JON |
| | | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- walt, 09/11/2005
ty mr q,sorry for the late response,iv'e seen stuff that doses'nt fall in the numbers book |
| | | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- RSP63, 06/07/2006
How about a 67 R code ''mustang'' fastback not asking if there was one i have one,i'd like to hear from anyone that knows about these plain cars, and this one was never a lettered race car,how many auto cars, where they were sold |
| | | | | | | Ford never made any R engine code Mustangs -- Royce P, 06/07/2006
You are very confused. |
| | | | | | | | RE: What? -- McQ, 06/08/2006
Wasn't the '68 CJ Mustang an -R- code? |
| | | | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- RSP63, 06/08/2006
So called ford expert here ''never made any R code mustangs'' would you like picture of the vin. tag...like i said no responses from the cookie factory ,ford madeanything someone had money to pay for |
| | | | | | | | RE:TP 427 in a '68 -R-code! -- Royce P, 06/08/2006
OK I just got through re - reading your posts. Get a Marti Report, then lets see what you really have. I suspect a faked VIN stamp but it could also be a mistake when the fenders were stamped since there were R code Fairlanes. There were no R code Mustangs produced.
Royce |
| | | | | | | 427 in 67 mustang R code i have it -- RSP63, 06/08/2006
figured id here from a so called ford expert i did not ask IF they made it i dont need to prove it...i own this car...no motor or trans....want it i'll take 40k for the body |
| | | | | | | | RE: -R- code '67 'Stang? -- McQ, 06/08/2006
Oh, now I get it. This thread has evolved into whether or not FoMoCo built any production -R- code 427 Mustangs.
I'm going to have to line up with Royce. I have no knowledge of FoMoCo production line building any 427 Mustangs. I kinda agree with RSP63 that someone in the Glass House in Dearborn might order a "special" -S- code to be pulled from the production line for a 427 installation. It would be for testing/prototype purposes or for Mr. Ford hisself. A 'Stang like that would most likely have been an -S- code or even possibly a -K- code, both of which were the only '67 Mustangs produced with a 9" rear end.
There just weren't any '67 Mustangs with a 5th unit R. Didn't happen. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: -R- code '67 'Stang? -- R.D.H., 06/08/2006
What happened to the (W)- code 68 Mustang |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: -W- code '68s? -- McQ, 06/08/2006
I don't believe any got produced that were sold. I believe there were some prototypes. Royce would know a lot more about these. I just know that we Ford guys were pretty excited with the early announcement of a 427 Mustang/Torino/Cougar even if it was to be "only" 390 hp and automatic trans only. I even have early sales brochures that list the 427 optional for the Mustang and Torino. But something happened and other than a few Cougar GTE's, things changed and the hydraulic liftered, 427 - 390 hp was not released. It was a sad time. It wasn't until the rumblings out of Dearborn started to be heard that there might be a Tasca lead 428 Performance package that we started to smile again. |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: -W- code '68s? -- walt, 06/08/2006
ok,the pot is stirring,i seen bothh,427,67/68 mustangs,but i had freinds that worked the test track on rotunda drive,dearborn,i seen them in the street,but i have yet to prove these guys in the forum wrong,dealer installed option,or some had a lots of pull,money,then i all ways wondered what was the engine code for the big block mustang,that was going to shelby for the 428? |
| | | | | | | | | | LOL there were no W code Mustangs ever made either -- Royce P, 06/08/2006
Now you guys are getting silly.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | If you had proof the body would be worth more.. -- Mark V, 06/09/2006
then 40K.
Are you saying that a VIN can not be faked?
Even if it were real, it is kind of like Big Foot sightings. With out proof it’s just some guys story.
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| | | | | | | | | RE: If you had proof the body would be worth more.. -- Dick Holabaugh, 06/09/2006
In 1967 the local Ford store ordered a (W) code 1968 Mustang to be raced by the dealer , That car never came. they never got a confirmation of that order. The dealer reordered it as an (r) car it came in a few weeks later, I still have that (8f02 R) car today. |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: No -W- code '68 Mustangs -- McQ, 06/10/2006
You're a very lucky guy Dick to have a '68 -R- code CJ car. And again I want to affirm what you've said in that there was a lot of early announcement literature our of Dearborn about the 427/390horse engine that just did not make it.
I do remember that the announcement of the cancellation of the 427 for Mustangs/Torinos came very shortly after the major UAW strike in October of '67. I don't think the strike had connection to the change of plans, probably just coincidental. I've never read/heard what actually happened to stop the production of the -W- code unibody option. It was going to be available for the Merc Cyclones too. My speculation has always been that a cost control "bean counter" whined about the expensive side oiler, cross bolted main block being used where the 428 block would suffice very nicely.
What's so cool is that at least a few '68 Cougars did receive the very few 390 horse 427's that were produced. And we're lucky to have Royce as a regular contributor, he's fortunate and smart enough to have acquired two of the rare cats.
As many know the '68 C8 block that was intended for use in the -W- code package had the additional benefit of allowing for hydraulic camshaft/lifters. It's this block that was sold over the counter as a "service block" for a few years. |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: If you had proof the body would be worth more.. -- RSP63, 06/11/2006
Exactly thiswas not a production car, it was only a factory race car someone ordered and got lucky, we figuring restored judging from what ive seen this cars in the uper 100ks or more with the history of course |
| | | | | | | | | | | RSP63, you tell us to do our homework… -- Mark V, 06/12/2006
but what homework have you done? You are so touchy about anybody telling you that the car is not real, I would guess that you have heard it a thousand times before. I for one would love to find out that Ford made six of these cars and at least one survived. It is not impossible that Ford made a “1967 R code Mustang fastback”. Apparently, up till now nobody has been able to document it.
So I call. What do you have?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: RSP63, you tell us to do our homework… -- RSP63, 06/13/2006
We just started homework and have been told not to sell it yet ,the guy doing the history on the car says its possible this car is 1of1 imagine that one we were told years ago it was one of 6 with autos but ford said no now we even found were it was built...i'll let you guys know when i know the history good or bad |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: RSP63, you tell us to do our homework… -- gurney, 06/13/2006
This thing started out badly. If there was only 1 of 1 made with the 427 as a custom order, then hardly anyone would have heard about it. If you have a 67 R 427 it would be the Holy Grail of 67 Mustangs and it would be worth huge numbers restored if documented. Just take a look at the auctions for restored GT500's for an idea of their worth and this car would certainly be much more rare. No one here on this forum has probably ever seen one, or heard of one in 67. We wait axiously for the info on this car. |
| | RE: 67 s code mustang -- Randy, 06/17/2006
There were 2,932 hardtop Mustangs built in 1967 with 390/4-speed option according to Kevin Marti's "Mustang by the numbers" book. I had one up until about 3 years ago. Mine had a 3.25 locking differential, manual steering, manual drum brakes, hooker super comp headers, it was a real sleeper and could give late model Mustangs a scare with ease.
Randy |
| 427 or 390 need help guys! -- JOE T., 08/21/2005
Engine is out of a 65 merc park lane. Head # c4a-e. Rod # c3ae-c. Crank # c4ae-b. Block # 5d218. Can't find a piston # and is a flat top. Book says all this is early 427. Valve covers are lightening bolt high wings but cam is hyd. Help!. |
| | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- McQ, 08/22/2005
It's not a 427. Those books......they just keep publishing a lot of misinformation. Let's see, the heads - C4AE-G probably, which are standard late '64 through '65 352/390 heads; Rod C3AE-C I believe is the standard 390 rod for '65; Crank C4AE-B is the standard 390 crank for '64-'65 which was also used in the '64 lo-riser 427 but typically with fully grooved mains. It's a cast iron crank.
So I think you've got a cool '65 Merc with a 390. Those valve covers are nice aren't they? They were red-orange for '65 with black blocks and for '66 they became Ford blue. |
| | | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- JOE T., 08/22/2005
Boy you guys are good. Air cleaner says super 4v and is a 4bbl. Book says 10. 5 on compression but makes me wonder as they are flat tops with no eyebrows. Whats your guess. And thanks!. |
| | | | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- walt, 08/22/2005
390,merc,10.5,they used the same cast crank,427/390.measure the bore,4.05,390,4.23.427 |
| | | | | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- JOE T., 08/22/2005
WALT/McQ, ONE LAST QUESTION. MERC 390 IS GOING INTO A 67 RANCHERO (390 C-6 P.S, P.B., A/C, DISC). THE INTAKE PORTS ON THE MERC HEADS LOOK HUGE! AND REMIND ME OF PEOBLEMS I HAD WITH 4BBL CLEAVELANDS, NO LOW END POOR VOL. I HAVE A SET OF C8AE-H GT390 HEADS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THANKS GUYS YOU HAVE BEEN A BIG HELP. JOE........ |
| | | | | | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- walt, 08/23/2005
they will work excelent,they still hane the small valves,202 intake 156 exaust,the trick was put the 165 cobra jet,427,406 valve in the ex haust,kept the bottom,but the top flowed like gang busters,and use the med risr intake,smaller ports than the low riser,flowed much better,NO loss of bottom end,and matctch to a ford bb heads,ecept tunnel port,or high riser,also the cast version is the 428 cj manifold,they worked great,cj intake,c8ae heads,with the exhaust opened up,the lump ground out of the exhaust port,ran it hard only got beat 4 times in 2 yrs,69,70,390 s body mustang,opps headers MANDITORY |
| | | | | | | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- walt, 08/23/2005
correction,67 s body in 69/70 |
| | | | | | RE: 427 or 390 need help guys! -- walt, 08/23/2005
also them huge ports are low risers,same as a cj/406.427,early 390,they still will work excentent,just run the med riser,or 428 cj manifolds,had no bottom end loss,and with the 351 clev and bosses,we would run the 2 barrel port intakes,recovered the bottom end,you started making horses at 3500/4000.instead of 6000 plus,but my boss 302's ran,shifted 8500,plus,runnig ford oem parts |
| | | | | | | RE: Walt summed it up... -- McQ, 08/23/2005
Walt has summed it up pretty well for you Joe. The C4AE-G heads can be built to C8OE-N Cobra Jet heads very easily as Joe has said. Just add CJ/Lo-Riser valves and you've got 'em.
BUT there is an issue to be aware of....you will not be able to use the '67 inibody exhaust manifolds - oh isn't that too bad! The 390 unibody exhaust manifolds are a tremendous bottle neck to making horsepower. You'll have to run headers designed for the straight up-down vertical bolt pattern exhaust ports.
My one set of unibody 390 ex. mflds. hang on the wall for one purpose.....FE conversation and laughs. |
| | | | | | | | RE: Walt summed it up... -- Lee Humble, 08/28/2005
Glad to hear about the headers, I've always thought they wouldn't flow worth a darn the way they are made from the factory. I've got a '68 Merc medium riser 390 I'm dropping into a Mustang GT Fastback. Where is the best place to look for a set of headers? There don't seem to be many makers out there. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Medium Riser 390? -- McQ, 08/29/2005
Do you mean you're running medium riser heads on a 390? That's certainly possible but how are the 427 medium riser valves fitting in the 390 bore?
Maybe you have the "early" heads ('66 and back)? If so, yes, you'll have to get headers specifically to do this.
I think FPA has just the set of headers you need. A friend installed a set of their tubes on his '67 GT fastback 390 running a set of C6AE-R heads. They fit well. |
| Reply to Roland RE: Boss 429 Cougars -- Royce P, 08/21/2005
Roland,
The last thread was totally screwed up so I started a new one.
The Don Nicholson 1969 Boss 429 Cougar's carcass was found 15 or more years ago. It is basically a pile of broken fiberglass body parts, a pair of Boss 429 shock towers with the 9F91R5XXXXX VIN and the staggered shock area of the rear floors. The owner, a fellow named Ed has been trying to sell it at ever increasing prices. Last I heard $30,000 would buy the parts described.
The Ed Schartman car is reportedly in a private collection in poor condition but at least a bit better than the Nicholson car.
So you don't have to look for those.
Royce |
| | RE: Reply to Roland RE: Boss 429 Cougars -- john, 08/26/2005
Royce,my friend owns the don nicholson car would like you to call him,will give you the correct info,also the schartman car is not in a collection,is cut up and gone,please call ed at (812) 536-3673. |
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