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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4841&Reply=4841><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>68 1/2 tasca ford cobra jet mustang info?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul  R, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I recently found out my car was sold at Tasca Ford. Has anyone<br>out there delt with Tasca about obtaining records for cars sold <br>that long ago?<br>Any help on the subject would be appreciated!<br> </blockquote> 68 1/2 tasca ford cobra jet mustang info? -- Paul R, 02/11/2001
I recently found out my car was sold at Tasca Ford. Has anyone
out there delt with Tasca about obtaining records for cars sold
that long ago?
Any help on the subject would be appreciated!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4873&Reply=4841><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>My understanding is that Tasca are not much help. [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>02/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m</blockquote> My understanding is that Tasca are not much help. [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/13/2001
n/m
 RE: Tasca Ford -- Robert Mitchell, 02/17/2001
Unfortunately, Tasca Ford is now a Lincoln/Mercury dealer, and they have moved from their original location. I found a number for them when I was (and still am) trying to track down some of their metal dealer emblems. They called me back a few days later, telling me the above, and that much of their old records are lost or gone. MAYBE, just maybe, somebody had the forethought to stash away the old records, but they haven't surfaced yet. Hope this helps. Aloha, Robert
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4828&Reply=4828><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>trans swap</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dan, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>will a trans bolted to a 351w bolt to a 390 thanks dan </blockquote> trans swap -- dan, 02/11/2001
will a trans bolted to a 351w bolt to a 390 thanks dan
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4829&Reply=4828><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: trans swap</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>James, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>No, they have a different bolt pattern.  You may be able to get an adapter though.  Try Ford Power Parts, or Lentech transmissions. </blockquote> RE: trans swap -- James, 02/11/2001
No, they have a different bolt pattern. You may be able to get an adapter though. Try Ford Power Parts, or Lentech transmissions.
 RE: trans swap -- dan, 02/11/2001
thanks james
 RE: trans swap -- BOB HOPKINS, 02/13/2001
Dan what trans? man or auto?
 RE: trans swap -- Robert Mitchell, 02/17/2001
For maual transmissions, the bell housing is different between Windsors and FEs. Additionally, 428 manuals have a larger diameter input shaft nose, and may not fit the pilot bushing. Clutch forks are also different, amongst other things. Automatic C4s have interchangeable bells, but compare VERY carefully, especially pump bolts and passages. FMXs with the cast iron body also have interchangable bells, but are not suitable, in my opinion, for the power output of a strong V8. C6s require too much to interchange properly, and should simply be replaced for the proper unit. The strongest units have cast iron tailshaft extensions and "R" servos, and were found behind 428CJ/SCJ engines. Aloha, Robert
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4816&Reply=4816><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 cj valve spring retainer cracked</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Toltz, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just pulled my valve covers off for a changing and noticed a valve spring retainer that has an edge cracked off(about 1/8 of an inch near the edge)!! It appears to be made out of aluminum. I'm assuming these are aftermarket retainers. Anyway, I need help!! Obviously, this has been this way for some time but, now that I know it's there It will always be in the back of my mind. I'd like to replace it without pulling the head. Can this be done using a compressed air inlet in the spark plug hole and a valve spring compressor that grips the spring? I really don't want to have to pull the motor apart but, I also don't want to drop a valve that I know I could have fixed. </blockquote> 428 cj valve spring retainer cracked -- Toltz, 02/11/2001
I just pulled my valve covers off for a changing and noticed a valve spring retainer that has an edge cracked off(about 1/8 of an inch near the edge)!! It appears to be made out of aluminum. I'm assuming these are aftermarket retainers. Anyway, I need help!! Obviously, this has been this way for some time but, now that I know it's there It will always be in the back of my mind. I'd like to replace it without pulling the head. Can this be done using a compressed air inlet in the spark plug hole and a valve spring compressor that grips the spring? I really don't want to have to pull the motor apart but, I also don't want to drop a valve that I know I could have fixed.
 RE: 428 cj valve spring retainer cracked -- Stanley Superior, 02/11/2001
Yes,compressed air will do it.
 RE: 428 cj valve spring retainer cracked -- gerry, 02/12/2001
Yes, compressed air will do the trick...just like replacing the springs. Make sure you change all of the retainers. Aluminum retainers are not suitable for street use, for the reason you've already discovered.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4912&Reply=4816><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Did you find the broken peice?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Neppy, <i>02/14/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>That little piece may be a prob later. Especially if it was two or three (or more) REALLY little pieces. Just my  opinion. </blockquote> Did you find the broken peice? -- Neppy, 02/14/2001
That little piece may be a prob later. Especially if it was two or three (or more) REALLY little pieces. Just my opinion.
 RE: aluminum retainers for any motor -- Robert Mitchell, 02/17/2001
Aluminum retainers have no place except on the shelf of a nostalgia collector. They are, as you found, prone to erosion by the rocker arm due to their extra thickness, prone to valve pull-through due to the soft nature of aluminum, and erosion by the valve spring sending slivers of aluminum throughout the oil system, amongst other things. Replace them ASAP, unless you have a NASCAR team's budget that will allow for frequent teardowns/rebuilds. They were intended to be replaced regularly during weekly rebuilds of drag race engines who wanted every last RPM squeezed out of their engine.
Try pushing a short length of rope into the spark plug hole with the piston down in the bore, and gently rotate the engine by hand until the rope has packed the cylinder tight. Voila, the valve stays put. Brought to you by somebody who doesn't always have access to compressed air. Aloha, Robert
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4812&Reply=4812><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Pertronix or Mallory</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Thunderbird Rob, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>How ya'll doin, im a proud owner of a 390 resting in my tbird... and ive been looking at Pertronix and Mallory Ignition modules for some time now. My 390 currently has the single point ignition, but i was thinking of using a pertronix or mallory conversion kit for now (ill switch to a LED triggering System later cause of financial trouble) but i was wondering if anyone has any experience or problems or even opinions between the two on which would be better for my application... its a stock 390 4bbl no headers, C6 tranny, 4:11 soon to be a 3:50 rear end.. any help on this subject would be greatly apprecialted thank you. </blockquote> Pertronix or Mallory -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/11/2001
How ya'll doin, im a proud owner of a 390 resting in my tbird... and ive been looking at Pertronix and Mallory Ignition modules for some time now. My 390 currently has the single point ignition, but i was thinking of using a pertronix or mallory conversion kit for now (ill switch to a LED triggering System later cause of financial trouble) but i was wondering if anyone has any experience or problems or even opinions between the two on which would be better for my application... its a stock 390 4bbl no headers, C6 tranny, 4:11 soon to be a 3:50 rear end.. any help on this subject would be greatly apprecialted thank you.
 RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/11/2001
Also looking for headers for my 390.. I found a pair at FPA that would fit.. but they have the ball and socket collector and are a little pricy.. anyone know anyother places that would have headers for my application (Thunderbird 390 4bbl stock, C6 tranny).. or does anyone know if 68 mustang FE block headers would fit my 390 thunderbird.. NOT taking into consideration the bolt pattern differences (im looking for new heads anyways)... thank you guys for your time and consideration.
 RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- WLT, 02/11/2001
For your application, the Pertronix will be simpler and cheaper. Millions of these units have been in use for about two decades. They are simple and effective, and are stable to well above 6K RPM. They are available for $59.95 from Mustangs Unlimited www.mustang-unl.com

I use them in my '68 Cougar and my '73 Montego and have used them in others. It's simple, easy and reliable. I have not used the Mallory. Can't help with the headers.
 RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- James, 02/11/2001
I have had good luck with Pertronix. Installed in about 30 minutes and works perfectly.
 RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- Al, 02/11/2001
I've got a Peritronix setup complete with their Flame Thrower coil in my 360 and its the best swap I ever did for the engine. The Mallory has an external controlbox doesent it? I went with the Peritronix unit cause it was completly self contained and was all under the cap, and came with alot of recomendation for its ease of instalation and great performance. After I put it in my 360 my truck gets more than 14 MPG around town and close to 18.5 on the highway not to mention smooth starts in all weather conditions and more ponies under my right foot.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4836&Reply=4812><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Pertronix or Mallory</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Al, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've got a Peritronix setup complete with their Flame Thrower coil in my 360 and its the best swap I ever did for the engine. The Mallory has an external controlbox doesent it? I went with the Peritronix unit cause it was completly self contained and was all under the cap, and came with alot of recomendation for its ease of instalation and great performance. After I put it in my 360 my truck gets more than 14 MPG around town and close to 18 on the highway not to mention smooth starts in all weather conditions and more ponies under my right foot. </blockquote> RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- Al, 02/11/2001
I've got a Peritronix setup complete with their Flame Thrower coil in my 360 and its the best swap I ever did for the engine. The Mallory has an external controlbox doesent it? I went with the Peritronix unit cause it was completly self contained and was all under the cap, and came with alot of recomendation for its ease of instalation and great performance. After I put it in my 360 my truck gets more than 14 MPG around town and close to 18 on the highway not to mention smooth starts in all weather conditions and more ponies under my right foot.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4839&Reply=4812><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Pertronix or Mallory</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Thunderbird Rob, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help.. I was thinking on the terms of pertronix... but it doesn't hurt to get an opinion or two :) thanks again. <br> <br>Rob </blockquote> RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/11/2001
Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help.. I was thinking on the terms of pertronix... but it doesn't hurt to get an opinion or two :) thanks again.

Rob
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4861&Reply=4812><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:   Headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve Mason, <i>02/12/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>You may wish to do a serch on the internet for Crites Restoration. They sell Headers, and they are very reasonable. Almost scary they're so cheap, and they can custom make them for your car if they don't have a stock set.<br>Don't know if they are any good or not, but post the question here on the forum about them and you are sure to get some good feedback.<br>The price they quoted me for my 67 Mustang 390GT was $95.00/pair<br>Regards<br>Steve </blockquote> RE: Headers -- Steve Mason, 02/12/2001
You may wish to do a serch on the internet for Crites Restoration. They sell Headers, and they are very reasonable. Almost scary they're so cheap, and they can custom make them for your car if they don't have a stock set.
Don't know if they are any good or not, but post the question here on the forum about them and you are sure to get some good feedback.
The price they quoted me for my 67 Mustang 390GT was $95.00/pair
Regards
Steve
 RE: I appreciate it -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/12/2001
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4900&Reply=4812><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Pertronix or Mallory</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff Barrow, <i>02/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Right! I'm convinced, but as I live in New Zealand, I would like to try and source a petronix locally. Does anyone know what model I need? I have a '68 GT390 Mustang with standard single point dizzy. <br>Thanks in advance.<br>Jeff </blockquote> RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- Jeff Barrow, 02/13/2001
Right! I'm convinced, but as I live in New Zealand, I would like to try and source a petronix locally. Does anyone know what model I need? I have a '68 GT390 Mustang with standard single point dizzy.
Thanks in advance.
Jeff
 RE: Pertronix or Mallory -- Ace, 02/13/2001
Hey Jeff... I dont know of any place that stocks the Peritronix ignitor but you can order them for almost any mustang site on-line.........the unit is the same for all years it only changes between 6 and 8 cylinders and single or dual point distributors....so you will want a single point conversion for a V8

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4897&Reply=4812><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Pertronix or Mallory , and headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joe Chew, <i>02/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ignition triggers -- I bought the Pertronix "Ignitor" on the recommendation of others and have had good luck with it on my 390.  (I use it to trigger the white wire of an MSD 6A feeding an Accel coil.)  I have no experience with the Mallory.  I keep the points and condenser in my toolbox just for grins.  <br><br>Headers -- You didn't say what year Thunderbird you have, but the 64-66 at least, and probably 61-63 as well, have the reputation on the Thunderbird mailing list (<a href="http://www.tbird.org">http://www.tbird.org</a>) of being inhospitable to headers due to chassis interference.  Too bad; I really like the Doug Thorleys on my Jeep, and they make an FE header, but don't list the Thunderbird as an application.  A Sanderson shorty *might* fit but I mention this strictly as speculation. Custom jobs might be possible.  <br><br>Cheers,<br>--Joe </blockquote> RE: Pertronix or Mallory , and headers -- Joe Chew, 02/13/2001
Ignition triggers -- I bought the Pertronix "Ignitor" on the recommendation of others and have had good luck with it on my 390. (I use it to trigger the white wire of an MSD 6A feeding an Accel coil.) I have no experience with the Mallory. I keep the points and condenser in my toolbox just for grins.

Headers -- You didn't say what year Thunderbird you have, but the 64-66 at least, and probably 61-63 as well, have the reputation on the Thunderbird mailing list (http://www.tbird.org) of being inhospitable to headers due to chassis interference. Too bad; I really like the Doug Thorleys on my Jeep, and they make an FE header, but don't list the Thunderbird as an application. A Sanderson shorty *might* fit but I mention this strictly as speculation. Custom jobs might be possible.

Cheers,
--Joe
 RE: Pertronix or Mallory , and headers -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/14/2001
Right It is a 65 tbird.. sorry bout that... I knew I was gonna have a problem with clearance on the headers.... block is too close to the spring walls.... i got less than an inch clearnace with the stock manifold..... but hey ill keep looking for some other method out there... Maybe Ill try a set of 68 mustang headers with the FE block.... i dunno...... I can switch to a Mustang II front end... but thats only in dreams cause of the money...HAHA!.... thanks for your help anyways... looks like a pertronix ignition will be going in my 390 soon...

Thanks everyone.. and take it easy i appreciate all the help.
Rob
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4797&Reply=4797><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>ATTN: Bob Hopkins.....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>406Custom300, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>email me at the fiftyseven_ford@hotmail.com, your email link does not work.  I would like to discuss `57's and FE stuff sometime.....James p </blockquote> ATTN: Bob Hopkins..... -- 406Custom300, 02/11/2001
email me at the fiftyseven_ford@hotmail.com, your email link does not work. I would like to discuss `57's and FE stuff sometime.....James p
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4876&Reply=4797><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: ATTN: Bob Hopkins.....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>BOB HOPKINS, <i>02/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>406 I sent you a e- mail let me know if it works? </blockquote> RE: ATTN: Bob Hopkins..... -- BOB HOPKINS, 02/13/2001
406 I sent you a e- mail let me know if it works?
 RE: ATTN: Bob Hopkins..... -- 406Custom300, 02/13/2001
Yeah, got it and replied...later..FE's and `57's...cool.
 Boss 302 engine matching -- Peter, 02/10/2001
how to match a 70 boss 302 to the vin nos.and where on the
engine are are they located,what nos.or letters should match
the vin.also where is the block code and how do you know if
its a warranty or original block.
Peter at adduonop@air.on.ca
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4782&Reply=4782><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Words of Caution</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rusty, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>If anyone out there is thinking of trying the Canton Racing Products windage "screen", beware.  I was finishing up a new 428CJ for my race care today when I realized that the windage screen does not have sufficient clearence for the rod bolts.  After a couple of hours of taking it on and of and griding and bending it, I finally got good clearance.  Anyway, it's a great looking piece, and I know it makes at least 5 more horses than the stock windage tray, but beware.<br>Rusty </blockquote> Words of Caution -- Rusty, 02/10/2001
If anyone out there is thinking of trying the Canton Racing Products windage "screen", beware. I was finishing up a new 428CJ for my race care today when I realized that the windage screen does not have sufficient clearence for the rod bolts. After a couple of hours of taking it on and of and griding and bending it, I finally got good clearance. Anyway, it's a great looking piece, and I know it makes at least 5 more horses than the stock windage tray, but beware.
Rusty
 RE: Words of Caution -- Al, 02/11/2001
Good catch Rusty
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4776&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>horsepower</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>ben, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>what modifications are needed to make 1 horsepower per cubic inch displacement?  in other words, on my 390,  what would i need to do to achieve 390 STREETABLE horsepower?<br><br>would headers, good induction system and free flowing exhaust WITHOUT an aftermarket cam,  even get close to 1 HP per cubic in? <br><br>thanks in advance<br> </blockquote> horsepower -- ben, 02/10/2001
what modifications are needed to make 1 horsepower per cubic inch displacement? in other words, on my 390, what would i need to do to achieve 390 STREETABLE horsepower?

would headers, good induction system and free flowing exhaust WITHOUT an aftermarket cam, even get close to 1 HP per cubic in?

thanks in advance
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4778&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: horsepower</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Which 390 do you have?<br><br>We need to know  the year and body style, as well as the number of venturies in the carb, as 390s varied greatly from 1961 thru 1976.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> RE: horsepower -- Dave Shoe, 02/10/2001
Which 390 do you have?

We need to know the year and body style, as well as the number of venturies in the carb, as 390s varied greatly from 1961 thru 1976.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4780&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: horsepower</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>What is this,a test? Here we go again! Two simple words that will represent your power goal=NITROUS OXIDE! </blockquote> RE: horsepower -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
What is this,a test? Here we go again! Two simple words that will represent your power goal=NITROUS OXIDE!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4788&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: horsepower</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>ben, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>nitrous oxide,  nitrous oxide, nitrous oxide!  if i wanted a cheap fix for horsepower, dont u think i would have thought of that?  what im talking about is a decent 'engine buildup' NOT nitrous add-ons, to achieve 390 HP!  i appreciate yr input here but what i DONT like is yr TONE, mainly, 'what is this...a test..'? stanley keep yr sarcasm to yrself please :)<br><br>shoe--my 390 is a '74  </blockquote> RE: horsepower -- ben, 02/10/2001
nitrous oxide, nitrous oxide, nitrous oxide! if i wanted a cheap fix for horsepower, dont u think i would have thought of that? what im talking about is a decent 'engine buildup' NOT nitrous add-ons, to achieve 390 HP! i appreciate yr input here but what i DONT like is yr TONE, mainly, 'what is this...a test..'? stanley keep yr sarcasm to yrself please :)

shoe--my 390 is a '74
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4789&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: horsepower</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thats not sarcasm Ben. This has been asked over and over again on this forum. 390 HP,and streetable? Are you wealthy? You will need to be, in order to fulfill this wish. Again,thats not sarcastic,thats the reality of it. This will cost a very large sum of money and the "streetable" factor may be a little rough. Everybody's definition of streetable is a little different from the next guys,it all boils down to what you can live with on the street. Anything over 350 HP from a 390 is not wise,unless you upgrade to aftermarket crank,pistons,and rods. It can be done,but it wont last too long. </blockquote> RE: horsepower -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
Thats not sarcasm Ben. This has been asked over and over again on this forum. 390 HP,and streetable? Are you wealthy? You will need to be, in order to fulfill this wish. Again,thats not sarcastic,thats the reality of it. This will cost a very large sum of money and the "streetable" factor may be a little rough. Everybody's definition of streetable is a little different from the next guys,it all boils down to what you can live with on the street. Anything over 350 HP from a 390 is not wise,unless you upgrade to aftermarket crank,pistons,and rods. It can be done,but it wont last too long.
 RE: horsepower -- 406Custom300, 02/11/2001
If it is assembled by Inferior automotive, it will not last long. Either do it yourself, using as many early performance pieces as possible, or let someone else who knows which parts to use do it.. It can be done without the magic gas, so don't buy into the cheap, chevy-boy fix. Make your power the old fashioned way...with proven FoMoCo parts.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4793&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: horsepower</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>406Custom300, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>2 words...articial horsepower </blockquote> RE: horsepower -- 406Custom300, 02/11/2001
2 words...articial horsepower
 RE: horsepower -- ben, 02/11/2001
although my truck is a '74 f250, i ASSUME my block is a 74 390. however, it might have been changed! where are the ID #'s to find out for sure? i rem one time i saw a '64' above the 352 number on the font of the block. ideas anyone?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4798&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Alright!  1974 is something I can work with.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>First off, you'll need to get a cam if you want a 1:1 HP:CID ratio at the flywheel.  Emissions regulations sorta put the binders on any camshaft that could deliver that kinda performance.<br><br>Another complication is the compression ratio.  Since 1971 was the last year Ford published HP ratings for your motor, you'll sorta have to extrapolate to realize your HP.<br><br>In 1971 the CR for the 390 2V truck motor was 8.6:1 (8.4:1 for the 360) and the HP was 255 @ 4400 (215@4400 for the 360-2V).  Torque 376 @ 2600 (327@2600 for the 360).  By 1972 the CR hit 8.2:1 (8.0:1 for the 360) and they no longer spoke of HP or torque numbers at all.  From 1973-76, Ford no longer even published the compression ratio, though the camshaft never changed from the 1971 numbers.<br><br>Interestingly, the D4TE block of 1974 frequently had reinforced main bearing saddles (but normal thickness 390 cylinder walls), so that block was designed to take a bit of a hammering, so long as it wasn't bored out too far.  With the historically good rods and crank of the 1964-later 390, this appears to be a shortblock that can handle some extra horsepower.<br><br>Sadly, it also means you need both pistons and cam to make your shortblock roar.  The good part is that 1968 390GT pistons probably weigh the same, so you probably need not rebalance your motor if you wish to switch pistons (I'm presently researching piston weight criteria - don't have results yet).  You have "full emissions" heads, which have been the norm since 1968 (and good for an easy 400HP, but limited beyond that point) - so you will need headers which mate to the relocated "full emission" exhaust runners (forget Hooker or Hedman, think FPA).<br><br>As I was trending, you'll need headers, an intake manifold (iron CJ, alum PI, or Ed Performer RPM), a carb, pistons, and a cam to get the HP you seek.  fortunately, you can easily reach the 400HP number with this combo and live for a long time to tell about it.  Note that with the new cam, a new set of lifters is necessary, as are stiffer valve springs and non-rotating retainers and locks.  New valves are needed, in order to to work with the non-rotating type of valve stem locks, so you are talking  non-trivial stack of ordinary parts to get the HP you seek.<br><br>You can save a few bucks by sticking with your stock exhaust setup.  That will cost you a couple dozen HP, but you can always "bolt it on" later if you wish, and it's the best item to leave off outta the mix, should you decide to shave some cash from this particular upgrade.<br><br>Your 1974 motor really was set up for torque and emissions efficiency.  While it's a solid motor structurally, it's not a great motor if you want cheap horsepower.  It is a great motor for horsepower if you are ready to do a standard rebuild , however, as the cost of the higher compression pistons and a camshaft kit is pretty much the same as the same as the low-comp stuff.<br><br>I could go on, but will stop here.  If you have questions, feel free to rattle them off.  I've got plenty of wrong answers, and others around here can even offer proper advise.<br><br>Shoe.<br> </blockquote> Alright! 1974 is something I can work with. -- Dave Shoe, 02/11/2001
First off, you'll need to get a cam if you want a 1:1 HP:CID ratio at the flywheel. Emissions regulations sorta put the binders on any camshaft that could deliver that kinda performance.

Another complication is the compression ratio. Since 1971 was the last year Ford published HP ratings for your motor, you'll sorta have to extrapolate to realize your HP.

In 1971 the CR for the 390 2V truck motor was 8.6:1 (8.4:1 for the 360) and the HP was 255 @ 4400 (215@4400 for the 360-2V). Torque 376 @ 2600 (327@2600 for the 360). By 1972 the CR hit 8.2:1 (8.0:1 for the 360) and they no longer spoke of HP or torque numbers at all. From 1973-76, Ford no longer even published the compression ratio, though the camshaft never changed from the 1971 numbers.

Interestingly, the D4TE block of 1974 frequently had reinforced main bearing saddles (but normal thickness 390 cylinder walls), so that block was designed to take a bit of a hammering, so long as it wasn't bored out too far. With the historically good rods and crank of the 1964-later 390, this appears to be a shortblock that can handle some extra horsepower.

Sadly, it also means you need both pistons and cam to make your shortblock roar. The good part is that 1968 390GT pistons probably weigh the same, so you probably need not rebalance your motor if you wish to switch pistons (I'm presently researching piston weight criteria - don't have results yet). You have "full emissions" heads, which have been the norm since 1968 (and good for an easy 400HP, but limited beyond that point) - so you will need headers which mate to the relocated "full emission" exhaust runners (forget Hooker or Hedman, think FPA).

As I was trending, you'll need headers, an intake manifold (iron CJ, alum PI, or Ed Performer RPM), a carb, pistons, and a cam to get the HP you seek. fortunately, you can easily reach the 400HP number with this combo and live for a long time to tell about it. Note that with the new cam, a new set of lifters is necessary, as are stiffer valve springs and non-rotating retainers and locks. New valves are needed, in order to to work with the non-rotating type of valve stem locks, so you are talking non-trivial stack of ordinary parts to get the HP you seek.

You can save a few bucks by sticking with your stock exhaust setup. That will cost you a couple dozen HP, but you can always "bolt it on" later if you wish, and it's the best item to leave off outta the mix, should you decide to shave some cash from this particular upgrade.

Your 1974 motor really was set up for torque and emissions efficiency. While it's a solid motor structurally, it's not a great motor if you want cheap horsepower. It is a great motor for horsepower if you are ready to do a standard rebuild , however, as the cost of the higher compression pistons and a camshaft kit is pretty much the same as the same as the low-comp stuff.

I could go on, but will stop here. If you have questions, feel free to rattle them off. I've got plenty of wrong answers, and others around here can even offer proper advise.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4801&Reply=4776><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Alright!  1974 is something I can work with.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>chris, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>well....can you tell me a little about my 64 thunderbird 390 going into my 69 mustang coupe?what type of performance am i looking at? </blockquote> RE: Alright! 1974 is something I can work with. -- chris, 02/11/2001
well....can you tell me a little about my 64 thunderbird 390 going into my 69 mustang coupe?what type of performance am i looking at?
 RE: Alright! 1964 is something I can't. -- Dave Shoe, 02/11/2001
That'll be a toughie.

The Mustang engine bay is sorta cramped for those early-style heads. In 1966, the first year of emissions controls for the FE, the head was redesigned with extra exhaust manifold mounting bosses (and smaller "emissions" runners) which made it easier to remove and attach exhaust manifolds to the engine. Your large-runner 1964 heads will work great in a Galaxie or pickup, but will be a tough act in a Fairlane or Mustang.

Also, your block has only two bosses cast in for attaching motor mounts. Four bosses was the norm from 1965. You'll have to play around a little to get the motor mounts to work right.

Also, your block may or may not have the "alternator boss" cast in at the front-passenger side near the outside deck. I don't recall the cutoff date for this feature. FE blocks from '65-later are always a little easier to play with on later model cars.

Shoe.
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4765&Reply=4765><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b> 66' Fairlane 390 GTA engine oil pressure</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Terry, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just got my engine running.  Basically a stock rebuild with all new internal parts.  Using 10w-40 Valvoline Racing oil.  The engine when cold has 50-60psi and when warm at idle it has about 10-15psi.  It idles about 750rpm in gear.  The guy who did my engine put in another new oil pump and new pickup screen/tube assembly.  I have not seen any noticeable improvement.<br>Is this normal?  Someone told me there is a oil pressure relief valve in the block.  Is this correct?  If so, where is it located?  I am using a cheaper oil pressure gauge and will be installing a Auto Meter gauge with a liquid filled pressure gauge which I will install at the filter area.   The engine runs very strong and the lifters are all quiet, even at idle.  The oil pressure goes up normally when the engine speed increases.  It is just on the low side when idling warm.   Any ideas?<br><br>Thanks!<br>Terry </blockquote>  66' Fairlane 390 GTA engine oil pressure -- Terry, 02/10/2001
I just got my engine running. Basically a stock rebuild with all new internal parts. Using 10w-40 Valvoline Racing oil. The engine when cold has 50-60psi and when warm at idle it has about 10-15psi. It idles about 750rpm in gear. The guy who did my engine put in another new oil pump and new pickup screen/tube assembly. I have not seen any noticeable improvement.
Is this normal? Someone told me there is a oil pressure relief valve in the block. Is this correct? If so, where is it located? I am using a cheaper oil pressure gauge and will be installing a Auto Meter gauge with a liquid filled pressure gauge which I will install at the filter area. The engine runs very strong and the lifters are all quiet, even at idle. The oil pressure goes up normally when the engine speed increases. It is just on the low side when idling warm. Any ideas?

Thanks!
Terry
 RE: 66' Fairlane 390 GTA engine oil pressure -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
Its possible that the bearing clearences are too loose and its got lower pressure because of it. Or,perhaps the oil pump is a standard volume unit instead of a high volume/high pressure one.
 RE: 66' Fairlane 390 GTA engine oil pressure -- Alan Casida, 02/10/2001
Did you put in new cam bearings? I've seen this when the cam bearings were loose,the engine would loose oil pressure when it warmed up and the oil pressure gauge would almost act like a tach. When you'd rev it up the gauge would go up and down with the rpm.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4774&Reply=4765><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>There is no pressure relieve valve in your block.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Some 390 motors around '61-62 had them in the block, but the pressure relief valve inside your oil pump is the only one you have, and the only one you need.  It's likely set around 65 or 80PSI for an aftermarket pump.<br><br>The pressure relief valve is not the likely culprit here, anyway, as it only activates when pressure is too high.  Because your pump and pickup has been replaced, and your cold pressure looks normal, I don't suspect a defective relief valve.<br><br>What are the bearing clearances at the main and rod bearings?  FEs tend to like a little extra clearance and this causes oil flow to increase and pressure to fall.  A cheap gauge may also feed the problem.<br><br>Good luck on the Auto Meter gauge.  It is some of the "better" stuff out there.  Be aware that when I ran three new AutoMeter gauges in my '67 Fairlane several years ago, the oil gauge leaked a lot due to the white plastic feedline which attaches between the block and gauge.  I hope your gauge has something more substantial.<br><br>I've heard of one car going up in flames because the white plastic AutoMeter tube cracked and sprayed oil on the headers.  Naturally it was a Shelby GT500 Mustang.  Fortunately for me, it was AutoMeter's non-shunt style amp gauge which cause my Fairlane to catch fire (flames under the dash and in the engine compartment) when the meter short-circuited inside near the needle pivot while cruising down the interstate.  I managed to extinguish the fire by opening the trunk to disconnect the battery and throwing dirt and sand on the burning plastic heavy-gauge wires.  It took five minutes for the smoke to clear.  I was five miles from home, it was about midnight, and I no longer had any operable electronics, so I ripped out a wire from somewhere under the hood and ran it between the hot lead on the ignition relay and the coil, and then used a pliers to bypass the relay to start the motor.  I initially started driving back home slowly, but gave it a minute's thought and figured if I was gonna get a ticket for driving with no lights, I might as well do it right and tromp the old 427 and make it a zippy return trip.  Made it home with no problem, but had lotsa wires to replace.<br><br>There's really no moral to my story.  I suppose if you were to glean something, don't get the cheap AutoMeter stuff.  It's crap.  Sounds like you're on the right track in getting the more expensive gauge.  I just hope it comes with something besides that damned white tubing.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> There is no pressure relieve valve in your block. -- Dave Shoe, 02/10/2001
Some 390 motors around '61-62 had them in the block, but the pressure relief valve inside your oil pump is the only one you have, and the only one you need. It's likely set around 65 or 80PSI for an aftermarket pump.

The pressure relief valve is not the likely culprit here, anyway, as it only activates when pressure is too high. Because your pump and pickup has been replaced, and your cold pressure looks normal, I don't suspect a defective relief valve.

What are the bearing clearances at the main and rod bearings? FEs tend to like a little extra clearance and this causes oil flow to increase and pressure to fall. A cheap gauge may also feed the problem.

Good luck on the Auto Meter gauge. It is some of the "better" stuff out there. Be aware that when I ran three new AutoMeter gauges in my '67 Fairlane several years ago, the oil gauge leaked a lot due to the white plastic feedline which attaches between the block and gauge. I hope your gauge has something more substantial.

I've heard of one car going up in flames because the white plastic AutoMeter tube cracked and sprayed oil on the headers. Naturally it was a Shelby GT500 Mustang. Fortunately for me, it was AutoMeter's non-shunt style amp gauge which cause my Fairlane to catch fire (flames under the dash and in the engine compartment) when the meter short-circuited inside near the needle pivot while cruising down the interstate. I managed to extinguish the fire by opening the trunk to disconnect the battery and throwing dirt and sand on the burning plastic heavy-gauge wires. It took five minutes for the smoke to clear. I was five miles from home, it was about midnight, and I no longer had any operable electronics, so I ripped out a wire from somewhere under the hood and ran it between the hot lead on the ignition relay and the coil, and then used a pliers to bypass the relay to start the motor. I initially started driving back home slowly, but gave it a minute's thought and figured if I was gonna get a ticket for driving with no lights, I might as well do it right and tromp the old 427 and make it a zippy return trip. Made it home with no problem, but had lotsa wires to replace.

There's really no moral to my story. I suppose if you were to glean something, don't get the cheap AutoMeter stuff. It's crap. Sounds like you're on the right track in getting the more expensive gauge. I just hope it comes with something besides that damned white tubing.

Shoe.
 Dave have you ever used copper tube on them- -- mcj67, 02/10/2001
Hello Dave,
Your right Its worth the extra money for the better gauges.
Its hard to find, but you can get copper tubing, compression rings, and compression nuts that fit oil pressure gauges, If I am not mistaken the tube size is 1/8" OD.(outside diameter)
As long as the plastic tube is not factory pressed into the back of the gauge you can run copper.Most gauges will have the threads on the back that fits 1/8" compression nuts. If its pipe thread on the back of the gauge, just use a
1/8"IPT(iron pipe thread) X 1/8"compression, adapter
I don't remember what brand gauges that I used, but I have hooked up a couple of these guages with copper tubing .

Another thing I used to do in my dirt poor days was.
Once I busted a pressure side power steering line on my
1977 Ford E150, With no money to buy a new one and needing to get to work, and being a plumber by trade, I thought theres got to be a way to use something else to get me through the week. So I took a hacksaw and cut the male and female flare nuts off of the old line, next I measured the inside diameter of the flare nuts ( which were just a little under 3/8"),and then I took the closest size copper tubing I could find (which was 5/16" ) then I flared the first end and hooked it to the pump, then I bent a circle in it ( for the engine movement) put on the other flare nut and flared the line then hooked it to the steering box and away I went, That line lasted for seven years and the only reason it failed was it was rubbing the frame, the flare joints never gave me any problems and looked fine .
Since then I have used copper tubing for power steering lines, and transmission lines on my personal vehicals without any problems, but like anything else there are rules to follow,
First-you should only use flare fittings on the transmission and power steering lines ( compression fittings can slip under high pressure).
Second-the lines have to be ancored well so they don't rub on anything, or put stress on the flare joints.
Third-make sure to install the movement loopes.
I know most people are aware of this, I am just going to put it in for anyone who may not know.
Only use steel lines and double flare joints on brake and fuel systems. Well thats enough for now. Mike Jones
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4775&Reply=4765><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Will need a little more info about your rebuild-</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mcj67, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hello Terry,<br>  Was the engine rebuilt at a machine/engine shop, or was it done by a friend/realitive<br>What was the reason for replaceing the oil pump/screen/tube?<br>What brand and type of oil pump was used the first time?<br>What brand and type of  oil pump was used the second time?<br>You said (all new internal parts)<br>Did you use a new crankshaft or have the old one reconditioned?<br>Im sure you used a new camshaft with new  cam bearings. <br>Just like Dave and Alan said loose tolerences in the cam, or rod, or main bearings will cause low oil pressure  in warm engines.<br>You may get lucky and find it's just the oil pressure gauge, but in your case I don't think it is, because the cold engine oil pressure guage reading seems to be about right . <br>A partly stopped up screen or pickup tube may cause lower oil pressure readings, but I think it would improve as the  engine warmed up and the oil thinned. </blockquote> Will need a little more info about your rebuild- -- mcj67, 02/10/2001
Hello Terry,
Was the engine rebuilt at a machine/engine shop, or was it done by a friend/realitive
What was the reason for replaceing the oil pump/screen/tube?
What brand and type of oil pump was used the first time?
What brand and type of oil pump was used the second time?
You said (all new internal parts)
Did you use a new crankshaft or have the old one reconditioned?
Im sure you used a new camshaft with new cam bearings.
Just like Dave and Alan said loose tolerences in the cam, or rod, or main bearings will cause low oil pressure in warm engines.
You may get lucky and find it's just the oil pressure gauge, but in your case I don't think it is, because the cold engine oil pressure guage reading seems to be about right .
A partly stopped up screen or pickup tube may cause lower oil pressure readings, but I think it would improve as the engine warmed up and the oil thinned.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4815&Reply=4765><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Will need a little more info about your rebuild-</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Terry, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for your response.<br>The engine was rebuilt by a friend with a machine shop.<br>It is a new SCJ camshaft and all new bearings.<br>The crank was reground .010"/.010" on the journals with new bearings to match.<br>The oil pump is a mellings hi volume/hi pressure both times.<br>The oil pickup was from Ford Powertrain Applications the first time.<br>The oil pickup was a standard pickup the second time.<br>The reason for the oil pump replacement and pickup replacement are as follows:<br>The builder said some of the past pumps had sticking pressure relief valves.<br>The pickup from Ford Powertrain was an aftermarket type with a very large pickup tube and small screen head.  The builder felt that it could have been cavitating at idle.<br>The man who did the engine is Doug Cope in Vancouver,Wa.<br>He has been building FE engines since 1985 and came highly recommended by someone on Woody's Fairlane Site.<br>He builds about 40 engines a year and is honest and guarantees his work.  He suggested that I get a good oil pressure gauge ( Auto meter ) and if it is still low, he said it was possible that the windage tray could be the problem.  The clearances he had on the crank was ( .008" ) I think, but I'm not 100% sure.  He said if there is still some problem, to give him a call.  He said as a general rule that 10psi per 1,000 rpm is normal, but it should be a little higher.  I'm currently using 20-50wt. Valvoline racing oil.  The engine only has about 2 hrs runtime ( after pre-break in by Doug and installation in my Fairlane, if that many hours )<br>This is all that I know at this point, let me know what you think and If you can ask around and see if the opinions are the same.<br>Thanks!<br>Terry </blockquote> RE: Will need a little more info about your rebuild- -- Terry, 02/11/2001
Thanks for your response.
The engine was rebuilt by a friend with a machine shop.
It is a new SCJ camshaft and all new bearings.
The crank was reground .010"/.010" on the journals with new bearings to match.
The oil pump is a mellings hi volume/hi pressure both times.
The oil pickup was from Ford Powertrain Applications the first time.
The oil pickup was a standard pickup the second time.
The reason for the oil pump replacement and pickup replacement are as follows:
The builder said some of the past pumps had sticking pressure relief valves.
The pickup from Ford Powertrain was an aftermarket type with a very large pickup tube and small screen head. The builder felt that it could have been cavitating at idle.
The man who did the engine is Doug Cope in Vancouver,Wa.
He has been building FE engines since 1985 and came highly recommended by someone on Woody's Fairlane Site.
He builds about 40 engines a year and is honest and guarantees his work. He suggested that I get a good oil pressure gauge ( Auto meter ) and if it is still low, he said it was possible that the windage tray could be the problem. The clearances he had on the crank was ( .008" ) I think, but I'm not 100% sure. He said if there is still some problem, to give him a call. He said as a general rule that 10psi per 1,000 rpm is normal, but it should be a little higher. I'm currently using 20-50wt. Valvoline racing oil. The engine only has about 2 hrs runtime ( after pre-break in by Doug and installation in my Fairlane, if that many hours )
This is all that I know at this point, let me know what you think and If you can ask around and see if the opinions are the same.
Thanks!
Terry
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4840&Reply=4765><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Will need a little more info about your rebuild-</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mcj67, <i>02/11/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hello Terry,   Everything looks good.<br> Your main bearing oil clearance of .008" is good, its on the tight side of the limits for a   390 V8,   of  .0005-.0015 (which is what you want), <br>It don't look like its loosing oil pressure at the main bearings.<br>Ask your builder what the camshaft  bearing clearances checked out to be, even when using all new parts they should be measured to assure that the right bearings were supplied.<br>Also ask your builder what the plastic gauge readings were to the connecting rods.<br>Usally this kind of oil pressure drop is caused by excessive bearing clearances.<br>It looks like you did pick a  builder that will stand behind you. <br>It still may turn out to be just the oil pressure gauge.<br>Sometimes you can have a lifter oil galley plug push out of the back of the block, but that would be obvious with all the oil leaking out under the car.<br>Also certian crankshafts have small plugs in them where the oil gallies were drilled  into them, this could also cause low oil<br>pressure if one of these small plugs were pushed  out . <br>Thats about all I can help you with for now. <br>                                            Good Luck,              MikeJones </blockquote> RE: Will need a little more info about your rebuild- -- mcj67, 02/11/2001
Hello Terry, Everything looks good.
Your main bearing oil clearance of .008" is good, its on the tight side of the limits for a 390 V8, of .0005-.0015 (which is what you want),
It don't look like its loosing oil pressure at the main bearings.
Ask your builder what the camshaft bearing clearances checked out to be, even when using all new parts they should be measured to assure that the right bearings were supplied.
Also ask your builder what the plastic gauge readings were to the connecting rods.
Usally this kind of oil pressure drop is caused by excessive bearing clearances.
It looks like you did pick a builder that will stand behind you.
It still may turn out to be just the oil pressure gauge.
Sometimes you can have a lifter oil galley plug push out of the back of the block, but that would be obvious with all the oil leaking out under the car.
Also certian crankshafts have small plugs in them where the oil gallies were drilled into them, this could also cause low oil
pressure if one of these small plugs were pushed out .
Thats about all I can help you with for now.
Good Luck, MikeJones
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4906&Reply=4765><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Will need a little more info about your rebuild-</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Terry, <i>02/13/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>MCJ67,  Thanks for your responses.  I put in the liquid-filled pressure gauge at the filter area and rechecked the pressure.  It read the same as the other mechanical gauge that I left hooked up.  When cold the pressure was 55-60 at 1300rpm and 40-45 at a cold idle of 950rpm.  When warmed up to 190 degrees the pressure dropped to 35-40 at 2000 rpm and 8-10 at a warm idle of 950 rpm.  I called the engine builder and asked him what were the exact clearances on the rod/main bearings and he said about .0025".  He put in new cam bearings with the new cam and the high pressure/high volume oil pump that he took out did have a stuck relief valve.  I asked him if one of the rocker shaft plugs or oil gallery plugs at the front of the engine might be leaking and he said that it could be the one behind the cam gear.  I asked him if the oil filter might be defective and he said it was possible, but he hadn't experienced it with the Motorcraft FL1-A filters.  I told him I would change the filter and put new 20-50 wt. Valvoline oil in it.  He said if it didn't work, he would pull the motor and repair it.  What do you think? </blockquote> RE: Will need a little more info about your rebuild- -- Terry, 02/13/2001
MCJ67, Thanks for your responses. I put in the liquid-filled pressure gauge at the filter area and rechecked the pressure. It read the same as the other mechanical gauge that I left hooked up. When cold the pressure was 55-60 at 1300rpm and 40-45 at a cold idle of 950rpm. When warmed up to 190 degrees the pressure dropped to 35-40 at 2000 rpm and 8-10 at a warm idle of 950 rpm. I called the engine builder and asked him what were the exact clearances on the rod/main bearings and he said about .0025". He put in new cam bearings with the new cam and the high pressure/high volume oil pump that he took out did have a stuck relief valve. I asked him if one of the rocker shaft plugs or oil gallery plugs at the front of the engine might be leaking and he said that it could be the one behind the cam gear. I asked him if the oil filter might be defective and he said it was possible, but he hadn't experienced it with the Motorcraft FL1-A filters. I told him I would change the filter and put new 20-50 wt. Valvoline oil in it. He said if it didn't work, he would pull the motor and repair it. What do you think?
 Rebuilt FE should have better idle oil pressure -- mcj67, 02/16/2001
Hey Terry
I still say something is not quite right, Fords are famous for lower oil pressure while ideling at operating tempatures, but it should be higher than 10 lbs. The measurments he gave you on the connecting rods are good, but I did not see where you listed what the cam bearing clearances were, or if your builder checked them when he installed the cam.
You should find something leaking internally (excessive- bearing clearance somewhere), or the oil pump is leaking where it mates to the block,or one of the oil gallie plugs is leaking, or the block is cracked at one of the oil galleries and is leaking internally.Once you rule out the oil pressure gauge as the problem, and have checked everything that you have access to, than it becomes a guessing game.
You will have to deside weather to pull it down to repair it or not
Do you drive it every day or just for show, will it idle in traffic for long periods of time?
It's a shame to have to tear it back down but if you want it right its starting to look like this is what may need to be done.
Depending on the indiviguwal, some people will not put the same amount of time, effort, or enthusiasum into a come back that they did in the inicial job, I am not saying that this builder will do this, it's just something else to take into consideration when desiding weather or not to pull it and tear it back down.
This is about all I can help you with. Good Luck, Mike Jones
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4750&Reply=4750><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Stanley sux</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rich Schmidt, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Stanley is sending guys from other boards here to rag on the ford FE crowd.He is an a$$hole on the drag racing underground board and I can see he is an a$$hole over here too.Not only is he an a$$hole,he is a coward who wont post witha real e amil addres.I wonder where Inferior Automotive is,I have to remember to never send anybody there. </blockquote> Stanley sux -- Rich Schmidt, 02/10/2001
Stanley is sending guys from other boards here to rag on the ford FE crowd.He is an a$$hole on the drag racing underground board and I can see he is an a$$hole over here too.Not only is he an a$$hole,he is a coward who wont post witha real e amil addres.I wonder where Inferior Automotive is,I have to remember to never send anybody there.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4753&Reply=4750><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Not necessary</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ed Foral, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Please don't use this forum to just slam, even if the person deserves it.  I don't appreciate Stan's posts, but we do not need more negative posts added to it.<br>Thanks for the input, but please try to keep the posts clean, as there are young gearheads on the board also.<br><br>Thanks<br>Ed </blockquote> Not necessary -- Ed Foral, 02/10/2001
Please don't use this forum to just slam, even if the person deserves it. I don't appreciate Stan's posts, but we do not need more negative posts added to it.
Thanks for the input, but please try to keep the posts clean, as there are young gearheads on the board also.

Thanks
Ed
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4757&Reply=4750><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Not necessary</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rich Schmidt, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>O.K. I will keep it clean,but you need to go to the drag racing underground forum  and see what he has to say about the people who post here.We cant get rid of him.All he does is sit around ranting about how a bunch of idiots on the FE board talk about using the FE engine for something other than a boat anchor.I would imagine that there were guys like him around when the ohv engines started phasing out flatheads and the sat around making fun of the guys who still tried to make power with the flathead,but at least they didnt have the internet back then and you didnt have to see them post everywhere you were trying to post.He has absolutly  respect for anybody on this board so why should they let him on here?He is telling guys on the DRU forum to come ver here and waste your valuable space with trash talk.Isnt it nice that at least I can here and talked trash ans left an Email address and a real name?That is more than stosh does. </blockquote> RE: Not necessary -- Rich Schmidt, 02/10/2001
O.K. I will keep it clean,but you need to go to the drag racing underground forum and see what he has to say about the people who post here.We cant get rid of him.All he does is sit around ranting about how a bunch of idiots on the FE board talk about using the FE engine for something other than a boat anchor.I would imagine that there were guys like him around when the ohv engines started phasing out flatheads and the sat around making fun of the guys who still tried to make power with the flathead,but at least they didnt have the internet back then and you didnt have to see them post everywhere you were trying to post.He has absolutly respect for anybody on this board so why should they let him on here?He is telling guys on the DRU forum to come ver here and waste your valuable space with trash talk.Isnt it nice that at least I can here and talked trash ans left an Email address and a real name?That is more than stosh does.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4759&Reply=4750><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Thanks</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ed Foral, <i>02/10/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Rich<br>Yes, I appreciate a real E-Mail address.  I have made the comment before about people who talk trash and try to stay hiding without an address.<br>I visited the forum today, and saw first hand what he is doing.<br>I expected as much<br><br>Ed </blockquote> Thanks -- Ed Foral, 02/10/2001
Rich
Yes, I appreciate a real E-Mail address. I have made the comment before about people who talk trash and try to stay hiding without an address.
I visited the forum today, and saw first hand what he is doing.
I expected as much

Ed
 Ed read thread below...... -- STEVE67CORONET, 02/10/2001
P.S. my real addy!:)
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