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 | Perplexed -- Paul, 01/16/2001
When swapping my 2V intake manifold for a Edelbrock 4V on my 352, I noticed that there is no port on the rear intake for water passage. Only the front of the intake has a water passage on both sides. Can anyone tell me why, when there are water ports on the heads? |
|  | Very simple really. -- martin edridge, 01/16/2001
All engines are mass produced and the heads for a V engine are not handed. That is to say that they can be fitted to either bank of the block. The water circulates through the block to cool the engine by entering the front of the block, travelling to the back and then going up into the back of the heads. It then returns to the front of the heads before exiting into the intake manifold where the thermostat housing is located. The water uses the passages at the end of the heads to transfer to the manifold but as the same passages are also at the other end of the heads, they need to be blanked off to assure correct coolant circulation. Doing it this way also guarantees that the heads cannot be fitted the wrong way round, but people still manage to mess up the system by fitting the head gaskets the wrong way! HTH Cheers, Martin. |
| |  | RE: Very simple really. -- Paul, 01/16/2001
Martin E. and Barry B. thank you both very much for your design knowledge, I was concerned that my new intake was wrong for my heads. |
|  | RE: Perplexed -- Barry B., 01/16/2001
The heads are made symmetrical with the coolant ports on each end. That way the heads can be used on either bank of the engine. The rear passages are usually blocked off by the manifold while the front passages are tied together. Normal flow is from the water pump into the front of the left and right cylinder banks, pushed towards the rear of the banks and forced up the back of the cylinder heads. Then it turns around and flows forward through the heads and out the front ports into the tee connection of the manifold. This is just a rough description because some of the coolant in the cylinder banks is also forced up the heads through smaller passages in the heads. The head gasket meters the correct flow and is progressive from front to rear. That’s why they are labeled “front”. |
| |  | Sorry martin, didn't see ya 'till I posted :) n/m -- Barry B., 01/16/2001
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 | Merc Vs. Ford Blocks -- RC Moser, 01/16/2001
I always here that Linc/Merc was built to a higher standard the others in the earlier days. Anybody know any truths to this? Was it done by closer tolerances, stronger or more nickel in the blocks? Did you get more for your money or the same in a fancy wrapper as now days. |
|  | Some tricks maybe, but 'higher standards'? No. [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/16/2001
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 | Can anyone i.d. this rear end? -- Greg, 01/16/2001
Third member has digits RFC5AW 4668-C, cast date 8K19, left axle at hub C8OW. |
 | Can anyone ID this 427? -- David, 01/16/2001
I have a 427 side oiler MR with no casting number. Instead it has a rectangular raised casted pad where the numbers should have been. There is no machining around it and it looks like this is the way its supposed to be. The guy I bought it from in 1985 said it was a high nickel HM block, I never really believed him. Can anyone ID this block? Is this a service block? |
|  | Are you sure it's a 427 ? -- P, 01/16/2001
Have you positively identified the cross bolts AND more importantly, the three plugged drill taps on left side of the motor, located above the cross bolts and near the freeze plugs?
HM did receive a shipment of special alloy motors. A previous post indicated some of these were so hard they were jobbered out to independent shops in Dearborn, due to the "undue" wear they put on the milling machines, etc. There's got to be some ID on the block somewhere, keep looking, and while your're at it, how about sending in those cylinder head numbers too!!
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 | Steel shim -- ANT, 01/15/2001
Is it ok to use a steel shim head gasket with aluminum heads? |
|  | RE: Steel shim -- ANT, 01/17/2001
Does anyone know because Im planning on getting the Edelbrock Fe heads and use a steel shim head gasket with a .015 compressed thickness to raise the compression? |
| |  | RE: Steel shim -- Brian, 01/17/2001
Don't do it!! |
|  | RE: Steel shim -- Will, 01/17/2001
I've heard the only way to go is the .041 thick Felpro gasket. It has to do with the different expansion rates of iron block vs. alum head. Since there is obviously an issue there, I'd either use the Fel-Pro gasket (I think it's the permatorque) or one recommended by Edelbrock.
I wanted to use the steel shim as well, but it's not worth screwing up an engine. (seeping coolant, hydrolock, etc.) |
|  | RE: Steel shim -- Wiggins, 01/17/2001
I'm pretty sure you have to use a special type of gasket for this. Beings aluminum takes heat diffrently than cast iron does. Check with Edelbrock to make sure what type is best. Or if someone else knows for sure. |
|  | HOW ABOUT COPPER? nm -- ANDY, 01/17/2001
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| |  | RE: HOW ABOUT COPPER? nm -- Mark, 01/18/2001
Wouldn't copper plus two other dissimilar metals get electrolysis really going? |
 | Ford&Merc -- T1M, 01/15/2001
I don't know how else to do this other than posting twice, so that's what I'll do. on this post is a picture of a Ford 390 from a "motors" manual for cars from 53-61. if you look where the intake, head and valve cover meets it forms the typical oversized intake becoming part of the cylinder head configuration. I expected the same from the mercury 390 in the same book... (see following post)
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|  | Ford&Merc -- T1M, 01/15/2001
but if you look at the head, intake and valve cover relationship, it's not like the fords at all. I posted once before about this but the person that responded said Ford and Mercury 390s were exactly the same....
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| |  | RE: Ford&Merc -- Will, 01/15/2001
There was a thread on this a while back. They are different. I don't remember all the differences, but the MEL was heavier and had the combustion chamber in the piston (to name a few differences) |
| | |  | Yup. Typo on #2 -- Dave Shoe, 01/16/2001
The second image shows a MEL motor. The text incorrectly identifies it as a combo FE/MEL motor - no such animal.
The second motor is of the 383, 410MEL, 430, 462 family, not a 352, 390, etc, as the text suggests.
Shoe. |
 | Intake Installation 390 -- Rob, 01/14/2001
When reassembling a 390 , specifically the intake manifold , would you suggest using the end gaskets supplied in the gasket kit , or using a bead of silicone ?
Thanks , Rob |
|  | RE: Intake Installation 390 -- FE427TP, 01/14/2001
just make sure you get a thick enough bead of silicone on so you dont have a nasty leak and not enough time to fix it like me. But at the same time dont go too thick and have it dripping out all over, when I re-install I'm going to use the end gaskets and put a thin layer of blue silicone on each side of them |
|  | RE: Intake Installation 390 -- geo, 01/14/2001
on my application I used the end gaskets, worked well for me. I think the main thing you have to worry about is the gaskets slipping while installing the manifold. Perhaps install gaskets first allowing the silicone to cure, therefore getting a more reliable hold on the block, then apply manifold (especially if cast iron). Don't forget to apply silicone gop where block meets head. |
|  | RE: Intake Installation 390 -- Rusty Johnson, 01/14/2001
I use G.E. Aluminum/Metal silicon (silver stuff). I put a bead on and let it sit for about 45 mins, and then come back and put another one on, then install the intake. I've never had any leaks. If you use the gaskets, definetly use silcon to glue the gasket to the block, let it cure, and then add another bead of silicon and then the intake. If the heads have been milled a little, but not the intake, you many have trouble squeezing the gasket out. Rusty |
|  | Try this -- Ross, 01/14/2001
I agree with everyone (except the no gasket advice) This is what I do, works every time.
Glue the end gasket to the block using 3M yellow weatherstrip adhesive. Best way is to put a light coat on the block, a light coat on the gasket, then let each dry 2-3 min, then press together. It wont move, period, and still cleans off easy for next time.
But in case it could move..which it wont LOL I then put a small dollap of blue silicone at each end where it meets the intake, and a VERY light skim of silicone over the top of the end gaskets. This gives a little extra seal, but more importantly, you put it together immediately, before the silicone dries, and the silicone works as a lubricant to let the intake slide, not the gasket
Benefits are, no waiting for a HUGE bead of silicone to dry, no silicone pushing in and out of your motor, and end gaskets stay wherever you put them when you put it together.
Bad side, hard to wash the yellow goop of your pointer finger. None other I have ever seen. Keep in mind, you may not be able to start the 4 corner bolts immediately. But if you just snug down the others lightly, the manifold will sit low enough to put tha last 4 in.. Doesnt happen on all, but some, on others all the bolts line up immediately
I started this on milk trucks and busses when I had to put iron intakes WAY DOWN in an engine compartment, needless to say, didnt want to have to do it twice. |
| |  | RE: Try this -- Louie, 01/15/2001
I agree with Ross. Exactly how I do it. 3M Weatherstrip adhesive has a nickname of yellow death; if you get it on yourself and it dries, it will be there until your death.
Just a tip: With everything dry, set your side manifolds gaskets in place and set the manifold down in the valley. Measure the end gap to make sure that the end gaskets won't be to thick to allow the manifold to settle down. I had an old 352HP manifold that apparently had been surfaced too much on the sides and the cork end gaskets were forcing the manifold to sit too high in the valley and the sides wouldn't seal completely. |
 | Is this a 428 cj fan? -- frank, 01/14/2001
I can't find part number but it looks like a 428 cj fan. What do you think?
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|  | See the ID code, on the back of that blade? [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/14/2001
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|  | RE: Is this a 428 cj fan? -- Greg, 01/16/2001
Look at www.428 Cobra Jet.com, click on component identification, click on fans. |
 | Ford block codes -- T Brooks, 01/13/2001
Where to find the stamping on ANY Ford block and a quick way to DECODE said Block. Discovery of a few blocks in a barn, and by the looks some are FE others are early 70's, all look like they once were used in some sort of truck duty |
 | Cam question -- Ross, 01/13/2001
Guys I have a couple of old solid lifter cams kicking around and one of them I dont have any listing for in my books.
The one I know is marked AB at the end, with the "B" backwards, regular low riser solids is what my book says. The other is marked ABX, with the B being backwards just like the low riser cam. Any ideas, my books dont list the ABX, only AB. Its got the old style Fomoco logo cast in, so I am guessing its an original cam of off something LOL
Thanks - Ross |
|  | RE: Cam question -- Brian, 01/13/2001
66-70 390 gt 428 cj-scj |
| |  | RE: Cam question -- Ross, 01/13/2001
Brian, thanks for the quick reply. Where'd ytou find the info? I thought I owned every darn FE book out there, but this one isnt in mine. Thanks again - Ross |
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