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 |  352 vs 390 parts -- roger, 04/19/2005
I pulled the topend from my 61 merc 352
2 barrel, It has the worst lift of any FE
the 352 has flat top pistons
would this be a problem if I upped my cam to
a lift of 263 not as much as a 428ci CJ
but the same cam as a standard 428
or a premium 390
the 352 has alift of 232....is it worth pulling the front off and change the cam and lifters,
I have the heads off for new seats, check up...
thanks roger
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|  | RE: 352 vs 390 parts -- giacamo, 04/20/2005
you may have the old fe moter that uses the cam thrust buttom setup i,d put it back stock fornow.and find a later 390 moter to bild up and use at a later date. |
|  | RE: 352 vs 390 parts -- walt, 04/23/2005
crane and comp cams have cams that will fit the early blocks,with thrust buttons check your timming cover for wear the early block can be modifeid to accept the later cam retianer |
 | Hipo FE motor -- dave, 04/18/2005
Looking at an early 427 that is for sale . Has anyone ever seen an original with orange paint on one crank counterweight and on 2 rods like on the 289 Hipo?? Was this also on the early FE motors?? Heads are C3AE-H/low rizer. Crank is a C3AE-E /early 390 with 427 stroke. Did early 427's have this crank?? What is this motor worth ?? Standard bore and does not need a bore.. Thanks Dave |
|  | Early 390 / 427 used the same crankshafts. -- Royce Peterson, 04/19/2005
427's didn't get anything special until 1965.
Royce |
| | | RE: Early 390 / 427 used the same crankshafts. -- dave lendzion, 04/22/2005
63-64 were top oilers, the sideoiler came out int 65. c3ae would be a topoiler. 427 used a forged crankshaft not cast iron. you can use a stock 428 crank to stroke the motor (3.980) you can also use a scat crank to stroke to 4.125 and 4.250 but you won't be able to use factory pistons. price on a good block usually runs about $2000-$3000. i paid $2500 for a block with a sleeve and some weld repair. |
| | | | RE: Early 390 / 427 used the same crankshafts. -- Royce Peterson, 04/22/2005
Not quite sure you understood my post. The 1963 - 64 427 used cast crankshafts. The forged crank was introduced in '65 along with the Medium Riser. A C3AE or C4AE crank is cast nodular iron.
Royce |
| | | | | RE: Early 390 / 427 used the same crankshafts. -- walt, 04/23/2005
there were also the grooved C 4AE-B crank and the non groved one C4AE-B also one used the solid lower bearing half,the latter used the grooved upper/lower main bearings'both were nodular iron,.i even found one of these cranks in a 66 390 merc!!they were used in the hotter 390's and the more reliable mercury engines i was told |
| | | | | | All Ford cast crankshafts were nodular iron -- Royce, 04/23/2005
Just to be clear, the 427 cast cranks were made of the same nodular iron as any 6 cylinder 170 CI crank. I think the grooved mains were used on any 390 at the same time as 427's received them. Remember the 390 was still considered a premium high performance motor in 1963 - 64.
Royce |
| | | | | | | RE: All Ford cast crankshafts were nodular iron -- walt, 04/24/2005
Sorry,i should have said they wre a high nodular content,like 289 hipo,to the stock 289,if not a lot of books and people are wrong |
| | | | | | | | 289 hipo is made of same grade iron -- Royce, 04/24/2005
The 289 HP crank was not made of any special material either. some were hardness tested but the same excellent grade used in all Ford crankshafts was used.
A certain Mr. Dave Shoe debunked the idea of different grades of block or crankshaft iron some time ago by identifying that the factory blueprints all call for the same mix. There are some SK parts with unique batch callouts but none of the regular production motors got any special iron formulas.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | RE: 289 hipo is made of same grade iron -- walt, 04/25/2005
sorry,i had a friends that worked at the dearbornspecialty casting,a friend who poured the hot metalsand treated the different grades of cast with additives,another was set ups to bore 427,428,390,another worked in the dso crib for the 427 only for parts to met production,special orders, vulcan forging that forged the rod blanks hiper blocks were cast with a higher nickel content they all worked at the dearborn engine,and steel division,before they closed them |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: 289 hipo is made of same grade iron -- walt, 04/25/2005
ps why did they always say HIGH nodular content in the 289 hp,390 hp 427.428 cj cranks,in the muscle parts books? |
| | | | | | | | | | | Actually Walt.... -- Hawkrod, 11/27/2005
There were never any literature about high nickel in Fords back when they were produced and you are confusing nodularity with nickel and the two have nothing to do with each other. In the late 60's there was a high phosphorus block but the Ford documents on metalurgy are quite clear and have been posted numerous times. Ford did not use nickel as a strengthening agent. When Ford did play with hardening blocks, they usually used chromium but these were unusual and were made for specific purposes not production runs. There were definitely high nodularity products but that has nothing to do with nickel. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | RE: All Ford cast crankshafts were nodular iron -- walt, 04/24/2005
Ps. I have both of the in stock. |
| | | | | | | | | LOL / 427 Mustangs....... -- Royce, 04/25/2005
Never happened. Those guys at that web site wouldn't know a 427 from a Briggs and Stratton.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | Again, the fact that warranty code 'W' exists means zip.[n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
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| | | | | | | | | 427 Ford fe -- rifleman, 11/26/2005
were there early 427 fe motors that wern,t side oilers. i know, dumb question. |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: Sure - early 427CID blocks were 'center-oilers'. See related... -- Rich, 01/27/2006
I am trying to get some info on 427 motors. My father had a Galaxy 500 XL that has what he thought was a 427 Hi performance engine in it. The VIN number show the car originally had a 352 from the factory. I have heard both sides of the story of it being a 352, a 390, and a 427. Is there an easy way to tell what the motor is?
Thanks,
Rich |
| | | | | | | | | | | | Measue the bore and stroke. -- Royce P, 01/27/2006
If the car came with a 427 originally it would not have a 352 VIN code.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: Measue the bore and stroke. -- Rich, 01/27/2006
I understand that the VIN states it had a 352 in it. The problem I am running in to is that the motor has 427 Hi Performance labels on it and the valve covers of this motor seem to be wider than the valve covers on the 390 that I have in a 75 Ford pickup. I have also heard that low rise 427 heads look a lot like 390 heads. My father owned this car for the past 30 years and before that I don't know if a previous owner could have replaced the original motor with another one. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Check for the cross bolts, only 427s had them..n/m -- Lou, 01/28/2006
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: Check for the cross bolts, only 427s had them..n/m -- joe delao, 02/11/2006
Hi can any one share some info on this 427 fe found one in a junk yard the guy says its off a truck it has a big automatic trany he also has a complete 390 are truck 427 any good ,were is this cross bolt, were are the markings, what do I look for, and can a 427 block be turned into a 428 block for a cobra jet clone? which is better 427 or 428 and what year did the 427 stopbeing produced, when did 428 start
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Measure the bore and stroke -- Royce P, 02/12/2006
I bet you don't have a 427. There were 427's produced from 1963 to about 1975, actual installations in cars was from 63 - 68.
428 engines were made from 1966 to about 1975. 428 installation in passenger cars were available from 66 - 70.
No 427 or 428 was ever available in trucks other than the Ranchero which could have had an optional 428CJ from 1968 - 69.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Valve covers are meaningless -- Royce P, 01/29/2006
Any FE valve cover will fit any other FE. Early 427 heads have a cerain casting number. What is the casting number between th center spark plugs on your heads? A flashlight and some cleaning solvent might be needed, this area is sometimes covered in sludge but can be easily seen without disassembly.
Also, is the block cross bolted?
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: Sure - early 427CID blocks were 'center-oilers'. See related... -- walt, 01/29/2006
if its still running you'll know if its a 427,bring a smile your face in the back seat real quick;and if its a 427 look for the large long smooth swept exhaust mainfolds,holley carb(s)aluminum intake,dual point dist,with out vacuum advance,adjustable rocker arms,also rocker cover mean nothing.like the 66 428,pi/7 litre covers will not clear the adjustable rocker train.and also check if you got a large wide damper with a cast in pulley groove,with a differnt timing pointer than the stock engines of that year,lots of luck.walt |
| Hey Hawkrod..... -- Pete's Ponies, 04/17/2005
I was reading back about the FE transmission differences and such. You made a statement I don't agree with; maybe I misunderstaood. I think you said that all the Ford trucks used the big block style trans along with the longer bushing in the 302. However, my experience has been that FE trucks got a transmission that has the input shaft nose specs that of a small block. In other words, they are long. This coupled with the 7/16" deeper truck bellhousing seems to work. What is your view on this? I personally had this setup , stock, in my 69 360 pickup. When I changed the 360 to a 428, I used the stock bell but bought a smalllblock TL to get the same input specs of the stock 360 trans that came out. |
| | uh, oops -- Hawkrod, 04/19/2005
Yup, I knew it but mispoke. Some trucks had the longer input but the small block trucks still used a longer pilot bushing which can be used to install the short input trans behind a smallblock. Now I have to look it up again and see which trans had the short inputs. Hawkrod |
| | RE: Hey Hawkrod..... -- walt, 04/23/2005
the top loader big block car tranns input is shorter than the small block,can't remember by how much,they did have a modifiedpilot bearing for the early bronco's that had a collar on the outside of the bearing to use the big block trans,but you can put the small block trans behind the big block,no probs,last time i heard/seen that bearing ,it was available from liberty gears,either in allen park or taylor mi.they modified my big in/big out 4 spd into a crash box,and changed the the ratios from 232:1 to a 278:1,and no clucth high speed up shifts,little rough on the steert though |
| 69 cobra jet conv. identification -- Greg B., 04/16/2005
I have a 69 conv. I cant identify it properly. I was told it was a big block car. but the orginal hood and motor is missing. but it has all of the carcraft up dates . Is there a I.D. number on the frame or some were else. The current I.D. tag is screwed on in the dash. can someone help. The car has all the extra bracing heavy duty shock towers and metal plating under it and x- bracing in the trunk. Like I said ,it is missing the shaker hood and the 428. thanks |
| clutch fan -- Gary, 04/16/2005
Hello
I have a question regarding the clutch fan numbers. When I cleaned off the cluth fan mountain flang, I saw a number E-C9ZE-B. I removed this from a 1964 Ford 390 Thunderbird. I don't think this is a factory for my 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 XL. Was wondering if any of you knew - would Ford have put this on as a replacement or what would the orgianal one be for 390 with air?
Thanks
Gary |
| | Far as I can see, 'C9ZE-B' was not an official replacement. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/17/2005
n/m |
| | Either that's a 'make do' part or they swapped the fan, too. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/17/2005
n/m |
| | | RE: make do -- Gary, 04/17/2005
I was told it might be for 428 cobra jet mustang clutch and fan. Do you know what this clutch belongs ?Is this a rare part ? |
| | RE: clutch fan -- chevis, 06/18/2005
Pretty Rare.Probably needs rebuilding but is worth $150 to $200 in non rebuilt stage.You can have it rebuilt for $100.
Joe |
| | RE: clutch fan -- chevis, 06/18/2005
I forgot to add.If this clutch matches the one on the 428 Cobra Jet site then it probably is too short for your application.Fans shouldn't be that far away from the radiator.At any rate,E-mail me and with pictures and I'll buy it from you as I need one for my 69 SCJ Mustang.
http://428cobrajet.com/id-fan-clutch.html
Joe |
| start up -- mike, 04/15/2005
My 69 428 mach1 will coming out of the paint shop soon.I havent started the motor in a year.As soon as I get it back home Im going to change the oil.I thought about pre priming the engine before I start it but then I remembered that when I put the motor in the car I did that.I almost burned up a drill with a shaft for the oil pump on it.Does any one have a idea what I should on this matter or just go ahead with the drill again. |
| | RE: start up -- giacamo, 04/16/2005
use a better drill i use a old milwalkee right angel drill with plenty of tork. |
| Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- jim, 04/15/2005
Any body in Michigan got a 428 cj intake for sale, iron, alumPi, or even blue thunder single 4bbl would be great. thanks jim |
| | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- walt, 04/16/2005
got an original cast iron one |
| | | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- jim, 04/18/2005
Hello Walt I am in ypsi, how much are you looking for and what kind of shape is it in. jim |
| | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- walt, 04/17/2005
where in mich are you?,belleville here |
| | | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- mike, 04/19/2005
To Walt. I have never been to Michigan, but I am sure that ypsi means Ypsilanti! |
| | | | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- walt, 04/22/2005
yep only 5 miles from me,where you at? |
| | | | | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- jim, 04/23/2005
Hello Bemis and Whittaker. Jim |
| | | | | | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- jim, 04/23/2005
Walt is a straight up guy and really knows his stuff Thanks Jim |
| | | | | | | RE: Anybody in michigan got a 428cj intake -- walt, 04/24/2005
ty jim,you can stop on by and chit chat or shop,any time,i still have to see that project that your woking on |
| top loader shifter -- Barry McLarty, 04/13/2005
I bought a Mr.Gasket shifter in 1974 for my 68 390 gt Mustang.It was never taken out of the box.Am switching my 428 1964 Galaxie to a top loader.Will the Mr.Gasket shifter fit the Galaxie top loader?The Galaxie seems to have alonger tail shaft,but I sold the Mustang,and am not sure. |
| durn turn signal relay -- Kap142, 04/13/2005
My 65 Thunder Chicken (390 FE powered) is in need of a turn signal relay. Can anyone offer a cross reference by part number or model for a C5SB-13A366-C?
Thanks guys.
Ken |
| 390 vacuum diagram? -- Bill, 04/13/2005
I put my 67 Galaxie 390 4V into my 73 Mustang. It runs fair, but I dont have enough vac for my timing advance. The carb is an older Holley double 650 cfm. The vac port on the left side of bowl area is new and tight, but still not enough vac? Any ideas? Also, just an update, I finally fabricated the 67 Galaxie front disk brakes w/ 4 piston calipers to my 73 Mustang. It stops on a dime! Thanks Bill |
| | Vacuum leak? -- Royce, 04/13/2005
Maybe you used Fel Pro Print - O - Seal intake gaskets? The FE version is a known problem and has caused lots of folks to curse the Fel Pro folks out loud.
Royce |
| | RE: 390 vacuum diagram? -- walt, 04/16/2005
check your vacuum booster on your brakes.or and carb base plate leak//warpage,may be an intake leakyou should have at least 17 hg(inches)at approx 650 rpm,also the vacuum drops at the dist port on the carb when you open the throttle,rev the engine up.and shut it down,listen for a sucking sound,when the engine stops,if you don't hear one,and vac is still low,check your intake manifold,milled heads,or milled manifold,cracked head/manifold.or pvc.hose connections |
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