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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5829&Reply=5829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>police interceptor manifolds</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mrb, <i>04/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I read on the net, it looked like a duplication of fords own published material from the 1960's , it looked to me like it said that the aluminum interceptor manifold was good for an extra 6hp in the higher rpms.  Is this true?  I thought it was a exact duplicate of the cast iron manifold.<br> </blockquote> police interceptor manifolds -- mrb, 04/02/2001
I read on the net, it looked like a duplication of fords own published material from the 1960's , it looked to me like it said that the aluminum interceptor manifold was good for an extra 6hp in the higher rpms. Is this true? I thought it was a exact duplicate of the cast iron manifold.
 RE: police interceptor manifolds -- gerry, 04/03/2001
An exact duplicate of the cast iron 428 Cobra Jet manifold, which is an entirely different casting from other run of the mill FE intakes.
 RE: police interceptor manifolds -- kevin, 04/03/2001
Yes its true.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5848&Reply=5829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: police interceptor manifolds</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>04/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>If you put these two manifolds side by side, you will see there are minor differences between the two but close enough for government work.  The CJ is not an exact copy as everybody says, the runners are a tad bit narrower and the carburetor flange and plenum are different but it still takes a Holley.  Bill Carroll’s  Fooorrd V8 Performance Guide says the PI manifold is good for 11 more horsepower.  When I put one on my CJ, I noticed an increase in power above 5000 RPM but also noticed a slight drop in bottom end torque.<br><br>Barry<br> </blockquote> RE: police interceptor manifolds -- Barry B, 04/03/2001
If you put these two manifolds side by side, you will see there are minor differences between the two but close enough for government work. The CJ is not an exact copy as everybody says, the runners are a tad bit narrower and the carburetor flange and plenum are different but it still takes a Holley. Bill Carroll’s Fooorrd V8 Performance Guide says the PI manifold is good for 11 more horsepower. When I put one on my CJ, I noticed an increase in power above 5000 RPM but also noticed a slight drop in bottom end torque.

Barry
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5861&Reply=5829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>PI Motors</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Josh, <i>04/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>What are some distiguishing features between the 352 PI and other FE motors.  I am given the oppertunity to purchase one for a reasonable price if it is really a PI. Does the 352 PI head have machined chambers or cast? Are the intake ports the same as the CJ? </blockquote> PI Motors -- Josh, 04/04/2001
What are some distiguishing features between the 352 PI and other FE motors. I am given the oppertunity to purchase one for a reasonable price if it is really a PI. Does the 352 PI head have machined chambers or cast? Are the intake ports the same as the CJ?
 RE: PI Motors wont fit 65 up -- gerald, 04/04/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5863&Reply=5829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: PI Motors early 352pi tnat is</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>gerald, <i>04/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote> </blockquote> RE: PI Motors early 352pi tnat is -- gerald, 04/04/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5864&Reply=5829><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: PI Motors early 352pi that is</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>gerald, <i>04/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote> </blockquote> RE: PI Motors early 352pi that is -- gerald, 04/04/2001
 352 pi -- Lou, 04/04/2001
With the exception of 1958 all the 352 PI motors I have seen have a 1959 part number cast on them. Same as the 60 & 61 352 360 HP, HiPos
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5828&Reply=5828><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Axle ID Tag decoding?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ron G, <i>04/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi,<br><br>I pulled the Axle tag off of my 9" this afternoon and I wondered if anyone had or knew of a resource for decoding the info.  Here's what's on it<br><br>WEC-K         9BB<br>3.00     9   857A<br><br>I know that the 3.00 signifies the ratio but is there any other useful info on this tag?  Thanks a lot!<br><br>Ron </blockquote> Axle ID Tag decoding? -- Ron G, 04/02/2001
Hi,

I pulled the Axle tag off of my 9" this afternoon and I wondered if anyone had or knew of a resource for decoding the info. Here's what's on it

WEC-K 9BB
3.00 9 857A

I know that the 3.00 signifies the ratio but is there any other useful info on this tag? Thanks a lot!

Ron
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5832&Reply=5828><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Axle ID Tag decoding?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul  R, <i>04/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ron. WEC-K- 3.00 comes up as...<br>69 comet or 69 to 71 fairlane or montego<br>3.00 ratio-39 ring gear teeth, 13 pinion teeth,<br>9" ring gear, non locking (open), 28 spline axles.<br>9BB is a date code. 857A I believe is a plant code.<br>Hope this helps.<br> </blockquote> RE: Axle ID Tag decoding? -- Paul R, 04/02/2001
Ron. WEC-K- 3.00 comes up as...
69 comet or 69 to 71 fairlane or montego
3.00 ratio-39 ring gear teeth, 13 pinion teeth,
9" ring gear, non locking (open), 28 spline axles.
9BB is a date code. 857A I believe is a plant code.
Hope this helps.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5837&Reply=5828><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Axle ID Tag decoding?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ron G, <i>04/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for the info.  What is your reference source for this info?  Sounds like a book I could find very useful in the future.<br><br>Ron<br> </blockquote> RE: Axle ID Tag decoding? -- Ron G, 04/03/2001
Thanks for the info. What is your reference source for this info? Sounds like a book I could find very useful in the future.

Ron
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5839&Reply=5828><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Axle ID Tag decoding?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul  R, <i>04/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ron. I hade an uncle in the salvage yard busness & he gave me 3 of his Hollander interchange manuals. <br>I have coverage from 1959 to 1987 on all domestic makes. Not just fords. You sometimes see them for sale used at swap meets. </blockquote> RE: Axle ID Tag decoding? -- Paul R, 04/03/2001
Ron. I hade an uncle in the salvage yard busness & he gave me 3 of his Hollander interchange manuals.
I have coverage from 1959 to 1987 on all domestic makes. Not just fords. You sometimes see them for sale used at swap meets.
 Hollanders are being reprinted. -- Lou, 04/04/2001
Check out www.hollander-auto-parts.com
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5817&Reply=5817><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Q code (428cj) Question:</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Eric, <i>04/01/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hello,<br><br>I'm looking at a 69 Mustang Q code to buy.<br>I know the engine is 'correct' but where/how would I check to see if this is the original engine (NOM).<br>I've also been told the engine "occasionally" overheats.<br>The seller believes this is due to the wrong head gaskets being installed but is not 100% sure. Is this a commonproblem w/ the 428s?<br>Thanks for any help!! </blockquote> Q code (428cj) Question: -- Eric, 04/01/2001
Hello,

I'm looking at a 69 Mustang Q code to buy.
I know the engine is 'correct' but where/how would I check to see if this is the original engine (NOM).
I've also been told the engine "occasionally" overheats.
The seller believes this is due to the wrong head gaskets being installed but is not 100% sure. Is this a commonproblem w/ the 428s?
Thanks for any help!!
 RE: Q code (428cj) Question: -- Tim B, 04/02/2001
Here's are three sites that will help,

http://www.geocities.com/jon_huntley/428cj.html

http://users.erols.com/detailshop/manual/index.html

http://www.428cobrajet.com/
 65castheaders -- T1M, 04/01/2001
Will 65' Cast Iron headers meant for a 64' 427 from a 64' Galaxie fit a 68' Galaxies 390 2-V?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5807&Reply=5807><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 gt</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>03/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am currently rebuilding a 67 390 GT motor and I am having difficulty finding out which pistons are the correct ones.  Are they supposed to be cast or forged?  Are they the same as a 4V non GT 390?  And lastly what is the compression height 1.778 or 1.76?  The only pistons I have found make the compression about 8.5 to 1 not 10.5 to 1.  Last but not least the deck clearance is about .05 not .01 to .03 like I'm used too seeing. </blockquote> 390 gt -- John, 03/31/2001
I am currently rebuilding a 67 390 GT motor and I am having difficulty finding out which pistons are the correct ones. Are they supposed to be cast or forged? Are they the same as a 4V non GT 390? And lastly what is the compression height 1.778 or 1.76? The only pistons I have found make the compression about 8.5 to 1 not 10.5 to 1. Last but not least the deck clearance is about .05 not .01 to .03 like I'm used too seeing.
 RE: 390 gt -- James, 04/01/2001
What pistons are you referring to? Are they stock pistons? Check out Speed-Pro's (formerly TRW) L2291F piston, I believe that it yields about 9.5:1 with most heads but don't remember for sure. The compression height for these is 1.776. Stock pistons were cast according to Steve Christ. You can also get cast pistons from TRW, part no. 381P I believe. Not sure on the comp ratio for the cast pistons.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5796&Reply=5796><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Allen, <i>03/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Do any of you know if the car used in the Nic Cage movie remake last summer had a ,or was "supposed" to have, a Bumped-Up 427 FE? I had heard in a few other places that it had. Any body know the facts? </blockquote> Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- Allen, 03/31/2001
Do any of you know if the car used in the Nic Cage movie remake last summer had a ,or was "supposed" to have, a Bumped-Up 427 FE? I had heard in a few other places that it had. Any body know the facts?
 RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- RC Moser, 03/31/2001
Probably not, But in the movie it was protrayed as a 427. As most 427s they are rare and kick @ engines in what ever body they were installed. This was a lengthly decussion after the movie came out. Some say it was a SB. Maybe someone with the facts will respond. Nobody seemed to know back then.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5803&Reply=5796><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Will, <i>03/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>There was a good article in a mag shortly after the movie came out.  There were several cars - something like 12-13.  Most had small blocks.  One was an original 390, but I don't know if they kept that engine.  One was hopped up a lot and either driven or kept by a producer or other big-wig.  That may be the one you're thinking about.  None of them were real Shelby's except for the one used in the very last scene.  That's the scene where Nic Cage's brother gives him a car.<br><br>I don't remember all the details, so I may be off a bit.  I may have the article in the garage.  If I find it I'll post. </blockquote> RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- Will, 03/31/2001
There was a good article in a mag shortly after the movie came out. There were several cars - something like 12-13. Most had small blocks. One was an original 390, but I don't know if they kept that engine. One was hopped up a lot and either driven or kept by a producer or other big-wig. That may be the one you're thinking about. None of them were real Shelby's except for the one used in the very last scene. That's the scene where Nic Cage's brother gives him a car.

I don't remember all the details, so I may be off a bit. I may have the article in the garage. If I find it I'll post.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5805&Reply=5796><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>T1M, <i>03/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>What made the engine act like it was dying all the time like that (Elanore)? Low vacuum from a radical cam? </blockquote> RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- T1M, 03/31/2001
What made the engine act like it was dying all the time like that (Elanore)? Low vacuum from a radical cam?
 RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- Allen, 04/01/2001
It sounded like they flooded a car in the sound studio and over dubbed it onto the film
 RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- James, 04/01/2001
I thought I read somewhere that most of the cars used in the movie were Windsors, not sure though.
 RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- Allen, 04/01/2001
I figured the cars they used for the jumps and stunt driving had windsors, and maybe the show car had a real 427. I was watching a show on movie cars on some cable channel last week and they showed Elanore , but I never heard them say what engine THAT particular car had in it.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5825&Reply=5796><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>410cougar, <i>04/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>ok here goes. i dont know this first hand but i try and read everything a i can posibly find on old fords and especially FE's. there was a article in mustangs and fast fords about it. there were several cars. none with a 427. there was different cars for different stunts. jumps, chase sceans and so on. from what the article says. there was only one real shelby that never seen the silver screen. that car happended to be a sheby with a 427 s. oiler. from what i understand he moded it after the movie to look like it. also not to hurt anyones feeling most of the cars where 351 crate engines, which would make sense. i do in fact have the article. so ill try and scan it tomarrow. ill try and have it up befor the end of the week. someone  email me and remind me. cause im at work right now. <br>oh ya the only car that had an FE in it was the clunker in the end. <br>j </blockquote> RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- 410cougar, 04/02/2001
ok here goes. i dont know this first hand but i try and read everything a i can posibly find on old fords and especially FE's. there was a article in mustangs and fast fords about it. there were several cars. none with a 427. there was different cars for different stunts. jumps, chase sceans and so on. from what the article says. there was only one real shelby that never seen the silver screen. that car happended to be a sheby with a 427 s. oiler. from what i understand he moded it after the movie to look like it. also not to hurt anyones feeling most of the cars where 351 crate engines, which would make sense. i do in fact have the article. so ill try and scan it tomarrow. ill try and have it up befor the end of the week. someone email me and remind me. cause im at work right now.
oh ya the only car that had an FE in it was the clunker in the end.
j
 RE: Elanore-Gone In 60 Seconds -- Morgan, 04/04/2001
Well here is what I know. The only real Shelby belongs to the producer, burkhiemer (sp), which all the others were modeled after. If I recall it does have a 427 in it.
I have a Mustang Monthly, which an article was done on the Mustangs (most of them had small blocks and automatic transmissions in the movie. I watched the DVD last night, just the out takes and chase scenes. they really abused the cars in that movie. Cameras mounted everywhere. More info by going to the wesite below

http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/vehicles/60sec/index.html
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5794&Reply=5794><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Roller Cam</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brian Crisman, <i>03/30/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Here's what I have....67 Cougar GT with 4psd, the 390 has been balanced and all machining done last year, now I'm pulling the engine because of a cam eating problem that I had last fall. I have the Edelbrock heads (mild porting) RPM intake, HS roller rockers/shafts, 10:1 compression, FPA tri-y headers and am thinking about replacing my Edelbrock RPM cam with a Comp Cams or Crane roller cam (hyd or solid).....the car will be used primarily as a weekend cruiser, but will be raced at the drags and road courses on occasion. Any opinions welcome as to durability and performance gains. I built the engine to be fast yet reliable....I want to drive it out of state for shows, flog it at the track, then drive it home. I am not set on brand/model yet...if anyone has any experiences.....<br>Thanks in advance,<br>Brian Crisman<br>67 Cougar GT 4spd </blockquote> Roller Cam -- Brian Crisman, 03/30/2001
Here's what I have....67 Cougar GT with 4psd, the 390 has been balanced and all machining done last year, now I'm pulling the engine because of a cam eating problem that I had last fall. I have the Edelbrock heads (mild porting) RPM intake, HS roller rockers/shafts, 10:1 compression, FPA tri-y headers and am thinking about replacing my Edelbrock RPM cam with a Comp Cams or Crane roller cam (hyd or solid).....the car will be used primarily as a weekend cruiser, but will be raced at the drags and road courses on occasion. Any opinions welcome as to durability and performance gains. I built the engine to be fast yet reliable....I want to drive it out of state for shows, flog it at the track, then drive it home. I am not set on brand/model yet...if anyone has any experiences.....
Thanks in advance,
Brian Crisman
67 Cougar GT 4spd
 RE: Roller Cam -- Will, 04/02/2001
A hydraulic roller should be fine, but if you want to go solid, there's a concern that the roller will scuff the cam. I don't know if it'll actually happen, but that's what I've heard. A rev-kit should fix this, but I don't even know if it's a problem. Oh yeah, the concern is for street-driven cars, not strip.

I tested some roller cams in dyno2000 and they seemed to pull about the same as my normal solid cam until about 4,500 rpm's. The roller past the solid at 4,500 and kept going up where it made about 50hp more than my normal solid. If I had my engine apart, I'd set it up with that cam. Dyno2000 has a feature where you can test all specs within a range. You plug in your flow-bench numbers, and it does the cam searching for you. The cam it chose is actually very close to the CompCams 288-R10. The 308 and 328 had higher numbers.

Porting the heads seemed to help about 15-20hp. So did a single plane versus a dual plane. Yeah, the dual plane had more torque earlier, but the numbers were so big, it wasn't like the engine was hurting for torque.

So, if I could do it all over, I'd port my heads, run a single plane tunnel wedge 2x4, and I'd run a custom roller - chosen after putting my heads on a flow bench.
 RE: Roller Cam -- Pat in Rescue, 04/02/2001
I would recommend a roller - I have a Comp Cams 288 solid roller in a stroked 427 side oiler that runs great. Plus you don't have to get all twitchy breaking it in.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5788&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>there is the right "shoe" where is the left.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>410cougar, <i>03/30/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>been pretty quiet in here lately. havnt heard dave "shoe". is he on vacation Mr. F. its kinda scary but you know ole stanley kept it pretty lively in here. not that im trying to get him back. oh well just bored here at work trying to pass my next 10 min off befor i get out for the weekend. so what is every ones neverending project. just curious as to what everyones working on. <br>mines my 67 cougar. <br>it originally had a 289 and a c6 in the truck. <br>it now sports a 390block+428 crank = good ole 410 power. im also playing with a 6z:71 blower. <br>whats everyone elses baby.  </blockquote> there is the right "shoe" where is the left. -- 410cougar, 03/30/2001
been pretty quiet in here lately. havnt heard dave "shoe". is he on vacation Mr. F. its kinda scary but you know ole stanley kept it pretty lively in here. not that im trying to get him back. oh well just bored here at work trying to pass my next 10 min off befor i get out for the weekend. so what is every ones neverending project. just curious as to what everyones working on.
mines my 67 cougar.
it originally had a 289 and a c6 in the truck.
it now sports a 390block+428 crank = good ole 410 power. im also playing with a 6z:71 blower.
whats everyone elses baby.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5789&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mike, <i>03/30/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>restoring 69 mach1 r-code need to assemble motor and paint and it will be done in may.Just in time for some nice weather. </blockquote> RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left. -- mike, 03/30/2001
restoring 69 mach1 r-code need to assemble motor and paint and it will be done in may.Just in time for some nice weather.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5790&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>410cougar, <i>03/30/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>way its lookin might be next summer befor i get mine up and presentable. <br>j<br> </blockquote> RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left. -- 410cougar, 03/30/2001
way its lookin might be next summer befor i get mine up and presentable.
j
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5792&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>The lefty Shoe is still here.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>03/30/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Mainly just lurking, for the moment.<br><br>The snow is starting to melt up here in Minneapolis, so I'm sorta swamped getting my garage readied for spring - if it ever actually arrives.<br><br>Got a lot of 2-wheelers and 4-wheelers that need tending before they see sunlight again.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> The lefty Shoe is still here. -- Dave Shoe, 03/30/2001
Mainly just lurking, for the moment.

The snow is starting to melt up here in Minneapolis, so I'm sorta swamped getting my garage readied for spring - if it ever actually arrives.

Got a lot of 2-wheelers and 4-wheelers that need tending before they see sunlight again.

Shoe.
 RE: Spring is just around the corner, Just wait. -- RC Moser, 03/31/2001
Been shinning up my * and my 67 Ranger 410. I allmost sold the *, couldn't part with it. There so pretty setting in the garage. I too am waiting for spring and the purple martins to arrive. Done got everything done. Just a waitin for the blue bird to start singing...and the martins to arrive from South America.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5804&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ron G, <i>03/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am currently trying to get my '55 F-100 together.  390 Tri-Power, C-6, 9" rear.  The body may be rough, but it should run pretty well, which is the important thing anyway right?  The weather in Washington has been decent lately, now if that @##$ wiring harness would get here, I could get busy.<br><br>Ron </blockquote> RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left. -- Ron G, 03/31/2001
I am currently trying to get my '55 F-100 together. 390 Tri-Power, C-6, 9" rear. The body may be rough, but it should run pretty well, which is the important thing anyway right? The weather in Washington has been decent lately, now if that @##$ wiring harness would get here, I could get busy.

Ron
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5806&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: '60 HP Sunliner</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>03/31/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for asking!  I've owned numerous hp/medium p(390 GT) powered vehicles over the years. Fairlanes, Comets, Galaxies.  Nothing too special or rare.  One kind of was.  Back in '67 I picked up a early '62 390/401 Galaxie 500 for a paltry $700 off a car lot on Sandy Blvd. in Portland OR.  Cleaned it.  Tuned it. Sold it at a small profit to use toward tri power on my '66 GTA.  Always wanted another FE powered car that came factory equipped with solid lifters.  That requirement usually meant an HP or police package.  My desire was fulfilled in summer of '98.   A friend living close by finally let me have his old drag hag warrior from the sixties.   It was the car equipped with what I wanted - Total Performance!  My friend bought the '60 Sunliner, (yes there are those of us who loved cars before Mustangs) in 1962.  It is a 360 horse 352 w/BW T-85 stick & Overdrive.  Vern installed a Fenton 500 flooor shift conversion,  home made traction bars, 4.11's replaced the stock 3.56, a Dixco Tach and went drag racing at the then local strip in Deer Park Washington.  I've got pics from '63 with trophies won racing not "showing".   It was his daily driver even comuting to Seattle while working a stint with Boeing.  In '68 a keeper on #8 exhaust valve broke loose and you can imagine the damage done.  The old rag top sat from then to '98.  I've built a '63 427 short block with the standard oiling improvements, a '65 S-oiler steel crank, '63 '27 rods ARP equipped, and standard bore C3J marine pistons.  These pistons have a dish similar to the early 390.  This allows the use of the C0AE-D HP head (we refer to them as the figure 8 chamber due to the obvious look of the tight chamber) 1.66 CJ/427 exhaust valves.  I have the original first factory aluminum intake to top the mill off.  It'll look just like a stock 352 HP unless some smarty looks low and spots the cross bolts on the side of the block.  I'm running a Comp 282S cam to start with but will eventually go with the stock replacement cam that Crane now grinds - the 306/500 lift cam that was the standard from '60 - '67, 353HP - 427.    It's taking a full resto but it's all there with just 54,000 actual miles.  It will be run on the strip more than parked on the grass at shows.  That's what it was born to do....RUN!! </blockquote> RE: '60 HP Sunliner -- Mike McQuesten, 03/31/2001
Thanks for asking! I've owned numerous hp/medium p(390 GT) powered vehicles over the years. Fairlanes, Comets, Galaxies. Nothing too special or rare. One kind of was. Back in '67 I picked up a early '62 390/401 Galaxie 500 for a paltry $700 off a car lot on Sandy Blvd. in Portland OR. Cleaned it. Tuned it. Sold it at a small profit to use toward tri power on my '66 GTA. Always wanted another FE powered car that came factory equipped with solid lifters. That requirement usually meant an HP or police package. My desire was fulfilled in summer of '98. A friend living close by finally let me have his old drag hag warrior from the sixties. It was the car equipped with what I wanted - Total Performance! My friend bought the '60 Sunliner, (yes there are those of us who loved cars before Mustangs) in 1962. It is a 360 horse 352 w/BW T-85 stick & Overdrive. Vern installed a Fenton 500 flooor shift conversion, home made traction bars, 4.11's replaced the stock 3.56, a Dixco Tach and went drag racing at the then local strip in Deer Park Washington. I've got pics from '63 with trophies won racing not "showing". It was his daily driver even comuting to Seattle while working a stint with Boeing. In '68 a keeper on #8 exhaust valve broke loose and you can imagine the damage done. The old rag top sat from then to '98. I've built a '63 427 short block with the standard oiling improvements, a '65 S-oiler steel crank, '63 '27 rods ARP equipped, and standard bore C3J marine pistons. These pistons have a dish similar to the early 390. This allows the use of the C0AE-D HP head (we refer to them as the figure 8 chamber due to the obvious look of the tight chamber) 1.66 CJ/427 exhaust valves. I have the original first factory aluminum intake to top the mill off. It'll look just like a stock 352 HP unless some smarty looks low and spots the cross bolts on the side of the block. I'm running a Comp 282S cam to start with but will eventually go with the stock replacement cam that Crane now grinds - the 306/500 lift cam that was the standard from '60 - '67, 353HP - 427. It's taking a full resto but it's all there with just 54,000 actual miles. It will be run on the strip more than parked on the grass at shows. That's what it was born to do....RUN!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5818&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>This year</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>04/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just sold my 57 "E" Ford and I should do some work on my 60 HiPo T-Bird, but the plans are to clean out my extra parts and redo my basement work shop. I've got a really rusty 57 Ford Fairlane 2 door hard top that I plan to finish stripping, but untill I clean the workshop I don't have any room for the parts. I'm realy looking forward to Rinebeck, NY swapmeet & show and the Ford Nationals.  </blockquote> This year -- Lou, 04/02/2001
I just sold my 57 "E" Ford and I should do some work on my 60 HiPo T-Bird, but the plans are to clean out my extra parts and redo my basement work shop. I've got a really rusty 57 Ford Fairlane 2 door hard top that I plan to finish stripping, but untill I clean the workshop I don't have any room for the parts. I'm realy looking forward to Rinebeck, NY swapmeet & show and the Ford Nationals.
 RE: This year -- 410cougar, 04/02/2001
what type of parts you trying to get rid of lou. maybe the guys on here might be interested. i just got a line on 3rd member and posie for 350. im trying to talk him down to 300 because of shipping and handleing.
j
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5823&Reply=5788><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>410cougar, <i>04/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>you know i always wanted a 54 f100. not to upset you guys but im thinking that maybe getting 78 lincoln continental frame and drive line. its got everything id need. 460, c6, nine in the rear with 4 piston calipers. i think it would actually be a pretty easy hotrod to build. just shorten the frame and the drive shaft and mount her up. hmmm to dream to dream....lol.  </blockquote> RE: there is the right "shoe" where is the left. -- 410cougar, 04/02/2001
you know i always wanted a 54 f100. not to upset you guys but im thinking that maybe getting 78 lincoln continental frame and drive line. its got everything id need. 460, c6, nine in the rear with 4 piston calipers. i think it would actually be a pretty easy hotrod to build. just shorten the frame and the drive shaft and mount her up. hmmm to dream to dream....lol.
 Parts up the * -- Lou, 04/03/2001
I've got a lot of Y-Block and 55,56,57 Ford nos, nors and good used stuff, plus a several boxes of early FE nos that I havn't looked in 15 years. On top of that I have 2000 extra pieces of dealer liturature, Ford and non-ford. When I say it time to clean house I mean it!
 2 different C6AE-R heads on a 352? -- Ed Jenkins, 03/30/2001

Its strange that I did not notice this before. Must be all of the grease and oil (it makes a wonderfull protective coating under the grease is some nice dark Ford blue paint) on my 352 One of my C6AE-R heads has a 13 with a "FOMOCO" verticly stamped beneath it instead on a DIF on the front and a "BIG R" on the back also the C6AE-R is stamped smaller then the other head. The other side has a big C6AE-R wiht a DIF and no "FOMOCO". Whats the deal with 2 types of castings?

Ed Jenkins owner of a 1966 FORD Galaxie Convertible with a 352 FE V8 feed by an Autolite 600 cfm 4100 4v. Car has Dual Thrush Turboflow Glass pack mufflers.
You can here the rumble of the Mighty Ford Edsel block!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5782&Reply=5782><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>406 to 423 build question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike P. (Takoma Park, MD), <i>03/30/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi:<br><br>I have a 406 block that i am stroking to 428. I will be using the 13/32 406 rods and C4ae-G heads w/ CJ valves. I want a 10.5:1 ratio. What pistons will work? 406? 428? or custom jobs? thanks, mike<br>  </blockquote> 406 to 423 build question -- Mike P. (Takoma Park, MD), 03/30/2001
Hi:

I have a 406 block that i am stroking to 428. I will be using the 13/32 406 rods and C4ae-G heads w/ CJ valves. I want a 10.5:1 ratio. What pistons will work? 406? 428? or custom jobs? thanks, mike
 428 Pistons -- Ed Foral, 03/31/2001
The bore is identical at 4.13" for both the 406 & 428.
When you add a 428 crank, you are making a 428.

Ed
 RE: 406 to 423 build question -- swede, 03/31/2001
i did this type of fe combo a few years back, but with a little different head. if you have the stock 406 piston you need to go to a custom job & change compression height on piston, raise it about .025 to .045 depending on cc of head. this will give you less deck clearance to make up for larger cc head that you are using. 406's are about 56cc to 67cc. the head you have has 71cc to 74cc chambers. if you don't do this compression loss will be huge. so buy all means go the custom piston way. hope this helps.
 RE: 406 to 423 build question -- kevin, 03/31/2001
Use the stock 428 piston. It is correct in every way. The C-4 head has a chamber volume of almost identical size and shape as the C-J head. If you have not had the rods or crank rebalanced, you can get away without the expense of a balance job, unless you have something else in mind.There are different ones however. The stock T-bird-Galaxie-Police car one has a deeper dish top. It will give you around 9:3:1 w/ your head and a Fel Pro #1020 gasket. The C-J and S-C-J another point higher. The Super is stronger but heavier, however you can reduce the weight some by grinding and the lighter pin of the C-J or T-bird.
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