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 | Gessford -- T1M, 02/27/2001
I looked at the Gessford.com site. The pictures of the blocks, cranks, intakes and heads look beautiful. I was wondering, if you built your own FE using just THEIR parts for the whole thing, how superior would it be to your run-of-the-mill, say, 390GT motor assuming that the 390GT has performance mods like headers and ported and polished heads etc etc? |
|  | RE: Gessford -- Will, 02/27/2001
I don't know if superior is the proper word. I consider Gessford a top-notch FE shop. I trust their work. But, superior implies they are the best. That's not being fair to several other shops.
There are a couple of things that are certain, though. A Gessford engine will be done "right", and regardless of how it runs, working with George will be fun. |
| |  | RE: Gessford -- T1M, 02/28/2001
Who do you think is the ultimate FE shop then? And my same earlier question about standard versus a specially built FE in regards to that shop. |
| | |  | RE: Gessford -- Will, 02/28/2001
I don't know that there is an ultimate shop. If I wanted to build the ultimate FE, I'd work with several different people. I'd use Gessford for all the machine work, but FPP or Kuntz would be good as well.
I'd probably use someone different for porting. I don't even know if Gessford does porting. I'd have the same guy port the heads and intake.
I'd do as much work myself as possible. It's not that I'm an awesome engine builder or anything. It's just that it's a lot of fun building an engine.
One other alternative would be to talk to Dove and have them build an SOHC. Now, that ,would be the ultimate FE. The also do complete wedge engines, but I haven't heard anyone using them. |
| | | |  | RE: Gessford ? where r they? -- Steve Mason, 03/01/2001
where is gessford located & how do i get hold of them? thanks SM |
| | | | |  | RE: Gessford ? where r they? -- Will, 03/01/2001
They have a website - www.gessford.com They're in Nebraska, but they can still do your machine work through the mail. Go to their website, and play for a while. When you get tired of it, give 'em a call and talk to George. |
 | valve springs -- mike, 02/27/2001
Whats the maximum lift you can get from stock 428cj valve springs thanks for any info. |
|  | RE: valve springs -- Steve Mason, 03/01/2001
always install new Springs & Lifters when you change cams, just to be sure they are OK and match the Springs to the Cam, the Cam maker will recommend the proper spring. thats my rule of thumb anyway, new springs are cheap insurance ! sm |
 | Consequence Of 2 Much Rod Side Clearance -- pjmc, 02/26/2001
My rod side clearance checked out around 35 thousandths where spec is 28 max. What kind of trouble will this cause me?
pjmc |
 | Fuel Injection -- 'birdman, 02/25/2001
I was just wondering if anybody was making or planning on making , a fuel injection setup for the FE engines. I've heard some stuff about aftermarket injection systems for small block chevs but I was hoping for something for my '71 F250. 'Birdman |
|  | RE: Fuel Injection -- gerry, 02/26/2001
You can already buy a wet flow system from the major aftermarket manufacturers. This is the type system that uses a throttle body bolted down in place of a carburator. If you're considering a dry flow injection system...well call me a pessimist, but I just don't see it based upon the cost and the relatively low market potential. It just won't allow a manufacturer to recover the R&D costs.
You can do your own dry flow system, but you are talking major fabrication and engineering to make it happen. Alternatively, you could get a mechanical injection set up converted to electronic metering but you better have deep pockets.:) |
| |  | RE: Fuel Injection -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/26/2001
Coast High Performance makes a Fuel Injection System for the FE block.. |
|  | RE: Fuel Injection -- Rich Bailey, 02/26/2001
There are several companies which have fi setups for fe engines. Try www.gessford.com About $3000 |
| |  | RE: Fuel Injection -- ANT, 02/26/2001
I called Coast High performance like 6 months ago and they said that their FE fuel injection is no longer available. |
| | |  | RE: Fuel Injection -- Thunderbird Rob, 02/26/2001
Didn't know that ANT... thanks for straighting it out.. |
| |  | Gessford supplies momar for EFI conversions... -- Walker, 02/26/2001
http://www.momarefi.com
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|  | forgive my ignorance -- 'birdman, 02/26/2001
What's the difference btween wet flow and dry flow? |
|  | RE: Fuel Injection -- Pat in Rescue, 02/26/2001
There are two places that make a fuel injection setup for the FE.
I saw one at the Shelby exhibit at the Monterey Historic races last August - it looked like a Weber carb setup and was pretty pricey - the company name is Imagine Injection, Bob Ream or Wes Henderson, out of Phoenix AZ Tel: 602 249 1746 or 602 272 6474. It was very good quality from appearances.
The second place is Dan Fodge Engineering out of Rancho Cordova CA. I don't have his number but 1-916-555-1212 should be able to help!
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| |  | The Shelby system was a prototype: est $=10K -- Walker, 02/26/2001
In real life, IF they produce it, probably more than $10K. For anyone else's port injection on an FE, count on $5-6K for the conversion, parts and electronics. For a throttle body system (from Holley for example), when all's said and done, you're looking at $2-3K. Don't forget the fuel pump changes and extra plumbing work needed. Also, you should make sure your electrical system (especially your alternator) is capable of handling the increased loads.
Don't feed the bears, they just drool. |
| |  | RE: Fuel Injection -- James, 03/04/2001
There was an article on the AZ company in the November issue of one of the major Mustang magazines but right now I can't seem to recall exactly which one. I remember that it said their complete setup was around 2K less the intake manifold.
I'm headed that way on the 17th for three months and it looks like I'll be a couple of miles from their facilities. I plan to check them out as soon as I have the time. I want to discuss a custom setup for my SOHC. I'll then decide if I am going to keep it or sell it.
I'll post my observations if anyone is interested. |
 | transmission -- chris, 02/25/2001
i have a 92 ranger with a 3.0 and a 5 speed trans.i've been told there are a couple of different transmissions that will bolt up. i'm having problems finding a trans priced resonable. |
 | Starter Problems -- Leon Biesiadecki, 02/24/2001
I have a 64 Galaxie that the starter went out on a couple months ago. I put in a newer style starter because the local parts houses were having trouble getting the original pull-in style starter. Everything mounted up fine, new starter worked great, now I am getting a grinding where it is hitting a spot on the flexplate gear that is worn. Question is did the new starter cause this(it looks like the engagement could be a little deeper) or is the flexplate gear just failing? I have seen the newer "push" type starters on other 64s and tend to think that I just need a new flexplate. |
 | Trans id? -- jaime, 02/23/2001
Would this be the correct trans for a '67 gt500 shelby rug-s-1
jaime |
 | Stock 428 1966 t-bird?!? -- Joshua Carroll, 02/22/2001
I am looking at a car a guy is claiming came stock with a 428. Could you get a t-bird with a 428 in 1966? I am guessing someone swapped in a 428 for a 390 but maybe not. Thanks.
Josh |
 | overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Linden Johnson, 02/22/2001
My '59 352 4-V w/ AC refuses to run cool. I've tried everything; *new 3 core rad *made a shroud *checked timing *changed many thermostats *tried electric fan I am at my witts end......CANNOT drive this car in summer city traffic! she will puke when I pull over and stop. Anybody that has the magic cure Please email me! Thanks, Linden Johnson  |
|  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Travis Miller, 02/22/2001
Linden, Try this test. Remove the water pump belt and the thermostat. Put the thermostat housing back in place. Fill with water up to the top of the thermostat housing. Start engine and watch to see if any bubbles start coming up into housing. If so, you have a cracked head or blown head gasket. |
|  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- RC Moser, 02/22/2001
Probably need more history on the engine? How many miles since rebuild? How long has it been in the car? What you've done to it? When did the problem start? Is it using water? I'll guess and say if it's the orginal engine and has been in the car for many years and set quite a bit maybe slug has formed in the passages and bottom of the block and has caused poor curculation. I seen some so bad that the cylinder wall were at least have full of rusty looking mud. Some times their is a drain plug on each side of the block, but, years of setting can cause seizure of threads and getting them out is risky without twisting them off. Sometimes you can knock a freeze plug out and flush it out that way if you have access to them for easy installation. Really need more information about you engine to give a more acute guess. 59's are neat cars, hope you get it fixed.. |
|  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Linden Johnson, 02/22/2001
when I bought the car, the engine was supposedly freshly rebuilt. I however wonder if it was block flushed? or if oversize pistons are my problem? As far as cracked heads or block, I don't think so as I have pressure tested it and also I checked the rad, ther are no bubbles in the coolant and it does have good flow from the pump. Thanks guys for the reply's. My quest goes on. |
| |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- ANDY, 02/22/2001
Check timing marks on damper. It may have moved or could be the wrong unit. Attatch a degree wheel to it and make up a positive stop with a short length of round steel (rounded at the end) welded in an old spark plug and find true TDC as you would when degreeing a cam. This happened to me a few years back on a 390 I had bought. The ring had moved or the unit was incorrect so what I thought was 10deg BTDC was actually about 4. Good luck.
ANDY. |
| | |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Linden Johnson, 02/22/2001
well Andy, I know for a fact that my damper pulley is wrong.........I timed the car w/ a vacuum gauge...............not good enough huh? |
| | | |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Lou, 02/22/2001
Retard the timing and see what happends. |
| | | | |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Stanley Superior, 02/22/2001
Who rebuilt the motor? It could be possible that they installed the head gaskets on backwards,and covered some coolant holes. |
| | | | | |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Mike McQuesten, 02/23/2001
This may seem way too simple but how do you know that water pump is flowing well? A few years back I had a similar problem with a 428 CJ. I had it pro rebuilt and I had the water pump bearing checked by the "Pro". He said the pump felt/looked good. Should be fine. I tried everything and could not get it to run cool. In desperation I took the C9AE CJ water pump off and just through a spare on from a '66 390. An old small impellar thing. Whoa! She ran cool from that day on! There was no noise, or leaks from that CJ pump. But obviously inadequate flow. So before you going tearing the heads off to check out those head gaskets.......maybe try another water pump? PS - thanks for the link to 59Ford.com!! What a great site. That one's bookmarked and I'm goin' there often. Including '60-'64 is right on! But I love every year from...well I can't think of a pre '65 Ford I dislike. Your story on that first '59 is hilarious. Six banger with a hood scoop. Those were fun days indeed. |
| | | | | | |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Dave Shoe, 02/23/2001
Head gaskets is a good thought, but that would cause rear-engine overheating while keeping the temperature indicator looking cold. Is the gauge reading hot during the overheating, or is the engine simply misbehaving?
I've often been in the situation where the belt slips in the pulley groove, causing the motor to run hot. Replacing the belt and pulley may be a solution, but I've typically only replaced the belt, and improvement wasn't always what I got.
Going to a double-groove pulley solved the overheating completely whenever I did it. I wonder if the later pump, with the larger impeller, is subject to more belt slippage, due to the greater force which would be required to spin it? Hmm...I've never really nailed the details, but haphazardly settled on double-belts to eliminate overheating problems.
As my next build will be a 427 fanless experiment (elect fan/alum radiator), I'm going to use a double-grooved damper to drive the double-grooved water pump pulley and alternator. Hopefully, it'll be a simple robust set-up that runs cool.
If the timing isn't way off, then maybe a small-impeller pump or twin belts is a solution.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | | |  | Thanks for the help Guys! -- Linden Johnson, 02/24/2001
its not a belt prob as there is twin belts on there now(A/C)..............the lower hose is re-inforced also...........I even tried this new coolant that is supposed to have a higher boiling point. I talked to the re-buider, he says he uses 360 parts on these blocks as they are "affordable" so I don't know which damper is on this engine and if I should even time it to factory specs? |
| | | | | | | | |  | I only use the timing marks as a reference. -- Dave Shoe, 02/24/2001
I time my motor untill it starts to ping, and then use the damper to back it off a few degrees from the pinging threshold. Don't know if this is a good method in general, but I prefer it and have really good luck with it.
There are two common types of FE dampers: the one with the 0.75" wide iron float ring (with belt groove in it, but frequently covered up by the bolt-on stamped pulleys), and the 1.10" wide type with no groove. The narrow type is common on 67-earlier motors, the other '68-later. Note that the crank pulley bolt pattern is different between the two so you can't mix early crank pulleys with the late ones.
Hey, if you finally learn a solution to your overheating, please post it.
Shoe. |
|  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Will, 02/23/2001
I had a 289 that puked out the radiator. I figured the head gaskets were blown, so I started to change them. When I got the heads off, I saw cracks in 7 cylinders. Crap! I bought a quick junkyard 302, and replaced the engine. I got it together, and guess what? It still puked out the radiator. I removed the radiator, and it was plugged with rust. I back flushed the radiator, and I got about a quart of rust out of it. After that, it didn't puke again.
I know you said you had a new 3-row, but the point I'm trying to make is that you may have an obstruction causing the puking. My best guess would be not enough flow, though (i.e. bad water pump) |
|  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Pat in Rescue, 02/23/2001
You said that it pukes when you pull over and stop...do mean stop and idle or stop and shut it off?
Also, have you tried a new radiator cap?
How does it behave when you are driving down the road?
Have you had this problem from the day you got it or has it always done this? |
| |  | RE: overheating in my '59 Galaxie -- Linden Johnson, 02/23/2001
I want to Thank all you guys for the great advice, believe me..........I have heard alot of it, and it is all good, it just seems I can't nail this one. here goes again: I bought the car in Springdale AR from Jerry Miller restorations, he told me that the engine was overhauled. I drove it home (1100 miles), with no heating problem. I proceeded to take the car apart to restore the body which took me four years. In those four years I did the following to the drivetrain of the car: * installed a '64 Cruise-o-matic w/vacuum modulator * installed 4 barrel intake and autilite carb * installed factory A/C system * changed (2)water pumps * installed a new 3 core rad * made a fan shroud * installed 5 blade fan * replaced 14lb rad cap to 7lb on advice of rad shop (he said the tanks can't handle the 14 lb cap The car pukes after I turn it off after a drive in very slow traffic, it seems ok if I keep driving at 30-35 mph, but when I slow down at a few lights, the gauge redlines! I think that I will dial in this incorrect damper this spring in order to get the timing "right on", also try the 14 lb cap again.....................unless somebody has a better idea. Thanks again to all..........greatly appreciate all the help, also appreciate the comments on my website. Linden Johnson
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| | |  | Is your lower radiator hose reinforced? -- Dave Shoe, 02/24/2001
Your water pump can pull a vacuum in the lower radiator hose and collapse it when driving. I don't know whether it collapses more readily at lower speeds or higher speeds, but it's something to look at. I have seen lower hoses collapse just be revving the carburetor with the car in park.
The lower radiator hose must have a wire coil either molded into the rubber or alternately inserted inside the hose. The wire coil needs to extend from the radiator to the water pump.
Hey, it's an easy check, so I though it worth mentioning.
Shoe. |
| | | |  | Timing -- ANT, 02/26/2001
What kind of distributer do you have? Vacuum or mechanical advance? I don't recommend setting timing based on vacuum, because it will run a lot smoother and faster with more advance on a mech. advance dist. I have an FE with msd pro-billet distributer- super conducter wires-digital 6 ignition-accel coil. It will idle the best and have most vacuum with 24 degrees advance. When you drove and pushed the gas down it would ping like crazy. I just tested it like that and now just running 12 degrees advance, with a worse idle but no detonation. |
| | | |  | RE: Is your lower radiator hose reinforced? -- dgasman, 02/26/2001
I had the same problem with my 58 ranchero with a 352 .the temp gauge would read hot if you let it idle for about 35 minutes . I went crazy thinking the car was over heating , but it wasn't . I installed a small mechanical gauge on it tempararly. When my gauge was at the over heating mark my mechanical gauge read 190 . I had the temp gauge recalibrated and all is fine now . She runs in the middle of the temp gauge all day long. |
 | 1970 Holley 735 cfm carb jet size? -- rich, 02/21/2001
Does anyone know for certain what jet size was installed in the 428 CJ 735cfm Holley carb? |
| ![Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5045&Reply=5043><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a> <b>Which CJ carb....or which model year and tranny? [n/m]</b> -- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>02/21/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m</blockquote>](/WebResource.axd?d=vG1pKMaqyV2y6301aKyltu8N0zbCTkKvzch_06o7SYnww5FJPtV8y82MHY1UlqQO7urzKilMYHwhlom9rY-8CcvpjZGBESYtoRT7no7e9ajVKsnuo4gqVz6IvG7o-gIZ0&t=637814653746327080) | Which CJ carb....or which model year and tranny? [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/21/2001
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| |  | RE: Which CJ carb....or which model year and tranny? [n/m] -- Rich, 02/22/2001
1970 Mach-1 428SCJ 4-Speed Close ratio 4.30 Detroit Locker |
|  | RE: 1970 Holley 735 cfm carb jet size? -- Greg B, 02/22/2001
There are apprx 8 diff versions of that carb Look on the front of the air horn for the List# and post it. Ex:R-4513-1aas |
| |  | RE: 4280 List Number -- Rich, 02/22/2001
Carb List Number is 4280 |
| | |  | 428 CJ Carb jets -- Chris Teeling, 02/22/2001
428 CJ 735 Holley carbs came with no. 66 primary jets and no. 79 secondaries. |
| | | |  | Thank you!! -- Rich, 02/23/2001
Thanks, The 735 Holley I am planning to use was race Super Stock on a cross bolted 428 years back. I wanted to make sure I utilize the stock size jets when I rebuild it. I could not find this info anywhere. Thank You. |
| | | | | |  | RE: Thank you!! -- T-BOLT, 02/28/2001
can anyone tell me the CFM,jetting, and what it came off? DOZF-9510-AA List 4513-1 Tag DOXF-AA DATE- A9GD
THANKS |
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