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 |  406 Blocks -- Travis Miller, 02/09/2001
Over the years I have heard everyone talk about crossbolted 406 blocks. I know there was an article in Hot Rod Magazine in 1962 showing one. But has anyone ever actually seen and touched in real life a factory crossbolted 406? I am not talking about some friend who had a brother-in-law who knew a neighbor who's cousin thought he saw one driving down the road years ago. I mean hands on knowledge of one. I had two '63 406's back in the 60's and they were not crossbolted. Can anyone say they have seen one in person? |
|  | RE: 406 Blocks -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
Yes,I have seen quite a few. They are not very common today because after 38 years,they are bound to dissapear! Alot of them were blown up in racing battle,so they really are a rare piece. But what difference does it make? Are you looking to purchase one,or just see it? |
| |  | RE: 406 Blocks -- Travis Miller, 02/10/2001
I am not interested in crossbolting a 406. All I am trying to do is determine whether crossbolted 406's were put into production Galaxie street cars back in 1962/63. I do not believe they were. The article announcing crossbolted 406's was in the September 1962 Hot Rod magazine. That meant the engine shown in the article had to be produced before July 1962 because of the lead time of the magazine. They were probably supplied only to the Ford factory teams running NASCAR during the 1962 season.
So Stanley, which NASCAR team did you work for? You are the only person that I have heard of that has actually seen one, much less many of them! |
| | RE: 406 Blocks /crossbolts=Nascar -- RC Moser, 02/10/2001
Travis I think the early crossbolted one were for NASCAR. I'm no expert, remember something about the bottom ends failures and the crossbolting was a one of the fixes. So your street 406 that was in you Galaxy probably was not. They still whipped 409s but had trouble with the superduties. till the allmight 427 started ruling. |
| |  | 1963-406,cross bolt was a mid year introduction -- mcj67, 02/10/2001
Hello Travis,
Going by what I have read in certian magazines, and on the Ford forums, Is that after having some major engine failers at very high rpm's with the 406's in the early 63 season, Ford came out with the cross bolted version of the 406's for there racing teams, I don't think it was offered to, or put in any production vehicals, this may be one of reasons why they are so rare today. |
| | | | RE: 1963-406,cross bolt was a mid year introduction -- Travis Miller, 02/10/2001
I agree with you that they were only used in racing. However the crossbolted 406 was a mid-year introduction for the 1962 season as the 427 was the mid-year introduced for the 1963 NASCAR season which started in Feb. The 1963 1/2 fastback Galaxies with 427 engine came out in February of 1963, just in time for Daytona. There were also a few fastback 406's built as a friend of mine had one which I rode in many times. His was a 385 horse single 4-bl.
I guess my reason for bringing up this topic is to straighten out reality that seems to have gotten changed over the years. If some of us older guys who were there in the 60's don't try to keep the facts straight, how can the youth know what actually happened with FE's. I see no need for younger FE enthusiasts to spend time and money looking for something like a crossbolted 406 to restore a 1962 or 63 Galaxie when it really was only used in NASCAR. I hope everyone can appreciate what I am trying to do for the FE cause. Let's try to keep the facts straight. |
| | | | | 406 year correction thanks,also have a question -- mcj67, 02/10/2001
Hello Travis
I have trouble keeping up with the actuall dates on some of this stuff, thanks for clearing it up for me
A question I have is did the crossbolted 427's ever go into any production vehicals? |
| | | | | | RE: 406 year correction thanks,also have a question -- Travis Miller, 02/10/2001
All 427's were crossbolted including passenger cars. 427's were produced in Ford passenger cars of various types from 1963 1/2 till early 1968. |
| | It's not that hard to cross-bolt your own block -- Walker, 02/10/2001
Instructions are out there, including measurements and parts needed. Cross-bolt main sets are available for around $350. |
| | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
Why would they not put them in street going vehicles if they had them? I have a 1964 Galaxie conv. its got the original "G" code 406 in it-matching numbers car. Guess what? its got a crossbolted block. The car does not run,and its in very rough shape,but I got it from the original owner,and I know he has never taken it apart. |
| | | | late 406s -- Lou, 02/10/2001
I had a very late 63 406, built the week before the 427 replaced the 406. The block was not cross bolted. I sold the car to John ??, the fellow who started Super Ford Magazine, I belive he still has it.
Stan you are making a fool out of yourself again. |
| | | | | RE: late 406s -- RP, 02/14/2001
Lou,I beleve his name is John Paradise. I would like to see his version of Super Ford back on the newstand. Not emaps! |
| | | | | | RE: late 406s -- A. N. Onymous, 02/14/2001
You mean the same John Paradise who used to buy all the best parts from his classified advertisers, before us subscribers even got to see those ads?? Yeah - he's a hell of a guy. We need him back in the publishing business right away. |
| | | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- Travis Miller, 02/10/2001
Thank you for finally exposing yourself and what you really do NOT know about FE's, 1964 Fords, and 406's. Anyone who knows anything about Fords and their engine codes now sees the real you. Believe me fellow, you just blew it. |
| | | | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
Really? I knew you'd like that! So what does that old clunker out back have in it then? A NASCAR spec 406? You do realize that the 64 model year was the last year for the 406,right? Prove me wrong smart guy! |
| | | | | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- Travis Miller, 02/10/2001
You just proved yourself wrong. EVERYONE but YOU knows that 406's were only put in 1962 and early 1963 Fords.
The only 406 you probably know anything about is an overbored 400 small block Chevy. |
| | | | | | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- 406Custom300, 02/11/2001
Laffin' me arse off @ Stanley Inferior of Inferior Automotive in 1/25 scale.......1964 406, indeed ! |
| | | | | | | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- ben, 02/11/2001
i feel kind of silly asking this, but what exactly is a 'cross-bolted' main? i hear a lot about 2 bolt mains vs 4 bolt mains and how 4 bolts are supposedly better. however, this cross-bolted stuff is news to me. anyone have a picture of one?
thanks |
| | | | | | | | | RE: crossbolted 406's WERE installed in street veh -- Travis Miller, 02/11/2001
Imagine a 2 bolt main cap with another bolt coming thru each side of the block. The side of the block is used to reinforce the 3 center main caps. These 2 extra bolts on each cap go in cross ways, hence crossbolted mains. |
| | | | | | | | | | I know where a 406 crossbolt is right now... -- kevin t, 02/11/2001
I was approached by a friend who has a crossbolted 406 right now. I thought about it, but its been sleeved a number of times and had deep rust on the deck surface i was told. I didnt bother to go look at it. He's assembling the whole engine to sell. yeah, I've been fooling with Galaxie's for 23 years and have yet to see any indications of a G-code 64 (406). Not likely, but who knows. From my recollection, you could have gotten a dealer installed 390 tripower. Also, there's alot of cars out there with number changes. |
| | | | | | | | | |  | Was it Real or was I dreaming? -- Greg B, 02/11/2001
In the early 70's I rented a spot in a storage garage in Yonkers,NY that allowed you to work on your cars. It was a large open area that housed apprx 20 cars at that time.The guy who rented the space next to mine had a 49 Caddy in storage.Behind the Caddy under a tarp was an engine, I was told came out of a T-Bird that he had rolled.It was a complete assembly with all accesories from fan to bellhousing.I will never forget that motor
The air cleaner decal said 406 6V and I remember the Thunderbird decals on the valve covers and the cast header type exhaust manifolds
It was CrossBolted
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| | | | | | | | | | | 406 Fantasies -- Travis Miller, 02/11/2001
It's been sleeved a number of times?
It has deep rust on the deck surface but he's assemblying it anyway?
A lot of cars out there with number changes? There are Federal laws against that. What a stretch!
A 406 6V in a Thunderbird?
A 406 6V air cleaner decal?
Come on fellows. This is really getting far fetched!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 406 Fantasies -- Stanley Superior, 02/11/2001
Yep,a 406 6V could be had in a Thunderbird Sports Roadster,check it out. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 406 Fantasies -- Travis Miller, 02/11/2001
Wrong. An M-coded 390 with 3-2's was the option in the Thunderbird. It used hydraulic lifters and was rated at 340 horsepower. It used a flat intake instead of the stepped one because the engine sat flat in the car. It also used a special kickdown linkage to the automatic transmission because of the 3-2's.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 406 Fantasies -- Greg B, 02/11/2001
Travis
I never said I saw the car, I only relate what I was told the engine came from.The engine was real, I touched it.
Was it a 406?Dunno, It sure as h*ll wasn't a crossbolted 390 so that leaves 2 choices 406 or 427 I'll go with what the decal said as I have no other way to tell now that almost 30yrs have past.
This engine was as it was pulled from whatever car it was in,Complete, Air cleaner to oilpan Fan to bellhousing
I'll stand by what I saw and touched.But I don't know what it came out of |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 406 Fantasies -- Stanley Superior, 02/11/2001
Travis answered his own question. The 406 was available in the T-bird. Regardless of what its code or HP rating was,it WAS available. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: 406 Fantasies -- 406Custom300, 02/11/2001
Did you not read? The Thunderbird was not available with 406. It was available with a 6v version of the 390 only, nor 4v or 6v 406 of any sort. Tasca did however have a hand in running 1 or 2 427 powered T-Birds down the assembly line at Ford, at least according to Bob Tasca. Sorry Stan, strike 2. Your batting average is looking sad. Go back to Chevyland and pretend to know what you're talking about there....nobody will notice that you don't. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Tasca's 427 Bird -- Lou, 02/11/2001
I only know of the one 64 T-Bird coupe that Tasca had the 427 put in at the factory. I have offen wondered what became of that car? If I recall it had 390 casting numbers on the block. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 406 Cougar Show Car & other Mercs... -- kevin t, 02/12/2001
Anybody remember the showcar Cougar around 1962? I believe it had a 406 in it. I have the literature of it buried away here. Also, don't forget the 406 Full size Mercs. Really rare. The crossbolted 406 that I know about, from what I was told by the guy who sold it to the current owner. Says its had a few sleeves installed and they repaired the deck surface (from rust). I decided not to chance it. I'm building a 390 truck block with a 428 crank for my 406 car. Top end is all 406. I rather have good stuff than numbers. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | THIS IS TRULY A RARE CAT 1962 Cougar -- mcj67, 02/12/2001
Hey Kevin, You better hold on to that car, and while your at it dig up that literature you have buried away on this
TRULY-OBSOLETE-CLASSIC
and post it for everyones viewing pleasure
-LOL-LOL-LOL-LOL-LOL-ROTFLOL-LOL-LOL-LOL-LOL-LOL-
HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEE------HHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Man this just keeps getting better and better!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: THIS IS TRULY A RARE CAT 1962 Cougar -- kevin t, 02/12/2001
My 406 car is a 62XL, in case you were confused from my last post. I'd post the pic of the cougar if my scanner wasn't screwed up. I just dug out the literature on the 406 cougar just to satisfy my own memory. For any of you interested in seeing it. Its in the July 1962 Hot Rod Mag. The article is titled The Ford Cougar 406. It's a 2 seater with gull wing doors and a 406 tripower. Kelsey Hayes wire wheels. Maybe you still don't want to believe it, but hey, there you go. enough said |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: THIS IS TRULY A RARE CAT 1962 Cougar -- Tim, 02/12/2001
The 62 Cougar show car still exists. The paint shatterd and had to be repainted in 66 (I got stuck peeling the old paint off). It was restored again about 10 years ago and sent to the Pebble Beach Concours de Elegance. Ford has kept several concept cars from the 50's and 60's. Most of them are the Ghia built show cars. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | RE: THIS IS TRULY A RARE CAT 1962 Cougar -- Jim D, 02/12/2001
Generally speaking, the discussion on the 406 is way out of my league, heck, I was minus four years old in 1962. BUT, I believe that it was possible for just about anything to happen, especially in the "simpler" times of the early '60's.
Couldn't a couple Ford employees (execs or factory workers) slip a crossbolted 406 into their personal car at the assembly plant. Maybe some sort of insider picked up a crossbolted 406 while it was in production and installed it in his vehicle, etc. There are an abundance of scenarios that certainly are plausible and even feasible. I guarantee stranger things have happened than what I just mentioned. |
| | RE: 406 Blocks -- Richard Bouman, 02/13/2001
Travis, I have two '63 Galaxies with G code 406s. One was built in late November '62 and the other Jan.2nd of '63 both at the LA plant.
Both with DSO code 71. Both have the orignal engines. Both blocks have the bosses cast for cross bolts BUT were not machined for cross bolts.
I have only seen one 406 cross bolt and it was at Ford Power Parts for sale. I don't know if it was orginal or not. I'm like you, I've never seen a cross bolt 406 in a production car. I've also never seen a production 406 with dual quads or the long factory cast iron headers. |
| | | RE: 406 Blocks -- Travis Miller, 02/14/2001
The only production 406's with 2-4s were the 11 lightweight 1962 sedans built for A/FX. Several of those cars were rebodied for 1963 and fitted with 427 lo-risers. They were allowed to run S/S in 1963. |
| Stanley sent me...... -- STEVE67CORONET, 02/09/2001
390 FE?? Hmmmm Remember the movie Bullit? I love Max Balchowski`s (guy who took set up the cars)quote on the whole shebang "The mustangs 390 recieved milled heads, a duntov cam, ignition and carb upgrades, but could never keep pace with the stock 440 c.i. dodge" "at one point we had the driver in the charger keep his foot out of it in the straights to keep both cars in camera shot" Hee hee hee...satisfied Stanley? |
| | RE: a charger to remember. -- Ghost rider, 02/10/2001
Yea, OK, I loved the cars not the Guy!.and that's why the charger was the feature car! And of course it was named bullit. I had a stock 440 charger wasn't all that. Now if it was a 67 GTX then that's another story. I sure the star had something to do with what car he drove beings he was also a race car driver and an enthuses. Now dirty Larry and crazy sally (what ever it's name was) on the other hand was a charger to remember. Too bad their an't a mopar site as good as this one.. "O" by the way; no I won't go their!!. |
| | Insignificant movie trivia for $100 Alex -- Ed Foral, 02/10/2001
Steve
You will notice that they didn't use a 427 or 428. The extra money would have been wasted, as the Charger "only" had a 440.
The 390 did the job for less money. It would have been the Mustang driver keeping his foot out of it, if they would have put one of the larger cubed FEs in it. ;)
Ed |
| | | RE: Insignificant movie trivia for $100 Alex -- STEVE67CORONET, 02/10/2001
sorry STANLEY was over at http://www.dragracingunderground.com challenging everyone to come over here and cut down the FE blocks!LOL
P.S. the 390 didnt do the job!LOL! 440 vs. 427/428 yeah it would be close but I still say the 440! Hey I got a 446 in my Coronet maybe Ill go dust my buddy in his 68 torino with the 460 and 428 heads again for good measure!:) |
| | | | Thanks for the link -- Ed Foral, 02/10/2001
Steve
I think you mean 460 with 429 heads:)
I have a couple of friends who have been trying to better each other at the track.
One has a 390 in a Falcon with a set of Vic's heads and the other has a 383 in a 66 Dart with ported stock heads.
They are both running near 12 flat, with the last run of the Dart this past summer dipping into the high 11's.
The 390 shifts at less than 6000, and the 383 cranks his engine over 6500RPM.
The 383 also has a more stout solid grind compared to the 390.
This is the kind of fun rivalry I enjoy seeing, not Stan's "your stuff sucks" ranter, with nothing to back it up.
With that said, I am willing to talk about any brand in a positive way, in the appropriate forum, and hope that others follow suit.
Did you catch the shootout a few years back in Musclecar Review between a 440 charger and a 429CJ Cyclone?
The Charger took 2 out of 3, but they were very close in performance. Both averaged around mid 14's with 3.91 gears and automatics.
Fun is what it was about.
Ed
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| | | | | No problem Ed and.......... -- STEVE67CORONET, 02/10/2001
Yep I meant 429 heads I think? HAHAHA Couldnt remember! Hey I love MOPAR,GM,and MOPAR, just happen to love MOPAR a little more!:) I love the sights and sounds of any V-8 musclecar to be honest with ya! And for the record I got dusted by a 429 shotgun transplanted in a 71 mach 1 a few years back at the local 1/4...Nope neither my car or his are stock either!Actually I used to own a 69 ranger 100 truck with a non original 302 4:11 gears and trak-lok in a 9 inch...It would burn rubber FOR MILES!LOL! I miss that truck! Ford made the best trucks back then!
Cheers
Steve |
| | | | | | Doh! meant to say love MOPAR,GM,and FORD!:) -- STEVE67CORONET, 02/10/2001
yep |
| | RE: Why, you brown nosing stanley, he an't ...... -- RC Moser, 02/10/2001
We know stan don't like FEs, most of us ignore his little snid remarks as we are forced to put up with them. It's just sad that a new people with a questions about their ride gets the negative responses about their pride and joy. Got one guy worring about if his FE is going to blow now after 3 years of hammering it. After 3 years anything can happen to any motor at 6000 grand. Hey I don't don't like rice burners, but I don't slam them every change I get... |
| | | Sorry just thought I would give SS a taste of... -- STEVE67CORONET, 02/10/2001
his own medicine, and come on here....But looks like you dont want him either!LOL |
| | | | RE: Sorry just thought I would give SS a taste of... -- Stanley Superior, 02/10/2001
Steve,I did'nt say to come on here and stir things up. I said go to the FE forum @ Network 54 and stir things up! Over here,I am respected and I dont force my opinions on anyone,but on the FE forum,well,lets just say they've been warned! There are about 10 guys over there that post a bunch of BS,then they put my name to it. I cannot get onto the FE forum (yet),so its not me thats doing the posting on there. |
| | | | | RE: Sorry just thought I would give SS a taste of... -- 406Custom300, 02/11/2001
<entire group, except Mr.F, laffs @ SS> respect? Please. Whatever gave you that idea, Stanley? Nobody respects you anywhere you go. Maybe you should go wherever you've been, and re-read those posts, because from what I gather, you are as respected as the plague. |
| 428 intakes -- Dwayne Domangue, 02/07/2001
where can i find blue thunder intakes. |
| Crankshaft and valvetrain -- ANDY, 02/07/2001
Thought id share a crankshaft tip. When I stripped my 390 my crank was already 20/20. Not wanting to go 30/30 I looked for another crank, luckily my mate had two, both std/std. One of these had your typical Ford part numbers on it ie. C5AE-B (just a guess icant remember) the other did not have much on it at all (its in the motor now and I didnt write down what was on it but it wasnt your usual ford part no.) Anyway I had decided to use the one with the Ford id but then noticed the location of the hollows in the rod journals. There had obviously been some core shift during casting and the hollow had shifted very close to the surface of the journal. I reckon there was about .080" thickness on some rod journals! The other crank was fine with nice thick walls. Watch out for this as I am sure it would have grenaded at high rpm (probably alright for grandma).
I am reading here so much about rocker / shaft / stand problems. You guys are scaring me. I run standard aluminium stands, new but standard style sealed power shafts and rockers with sring spacers. Edelbrock heads (cant remember the spring pressures, 120seat maybe?) and a lunati solid with around .580" lift. Always sees 6000rpm with occasional 6500's.
Its been together for 3 years. Am i just lucky?
ANDY |
| | RE: Crankshaft and valvetrain -- Stanley Superior, 02/07/2001
Yes you are lucky! I have come across many FE cranks with thin journals. When it comes to FE parts,sonic test EVERYTHING!! |
| | RE: Crankshaft and valvetrain -- Will, 02/07/2001
I think it all comes down to spring pressure. With the big cams, you need strong springs to keep the lifters on the cam. If you aren't running heavy springs, you may be okay.
Also, you may get a few HP by upgrading to a setup with end stands. That's because even if the shaft isn't breaking, it may be flexing costing you some lift. Again, if you have standard springs, the shaft may not be flexing. |
| | | RE: Crankshaft and valvetrain -- Paul R, 02/10/2001
Andy, with a .580 lift cam you are probably running relatively stiff valve springs. My engine had a .587 lift cam. I ran stock Ford rocker arm shafts and Dove end support stand kits. I had no problem with them. Before I installed the stands I broke a rocker shaft. So I would suggest at least the stand kit and you will probably have no problems.
Hope this helps.
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| Mr. F can you ID this crank? -- Dave, 02/07/2001
C4AE-6303-G casting number, also has "$ A" casted on crank. It is currently on sale on ebay, stanting that is is a "428 steel crank with NASCAR specs. I have read the previous posts regarding it, but I am interested to see if there is a part number listed for it and what its applications are. Does anyone out there know?
Thanks,
Dave |
| | RE: Mr. F can you ID this crank? -- Mr F, 02/08/2001
(I didn't see the previous
thread and I hope you'll forgive my not wanting to break out the books at
3AM.)
Whatever
the castings and stampings, the journal size makes
no sense. Aren't NASCAR journals something under 2"....like 1.8xx"? My
response will advance this thread up the page, so I should be reminded to
check the number later today.
Mr
F |
| | If there's no stamped ID on a vane, its probably pre-'65 [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/08/2001
n/m |
| MSD Ignition hookup question -- Bob Z., 02/07/2001
I am considering a MSD-6AL for my '68 1/2 Mustang with a 428CJ and C6. Does anyone have experience with this combination? I am considering the MSD-8594
distributor also; however, I may back off due to high cost. I need a distributor and would like recommendation on lower cost dist. If I use the 6AL box, will my factory
in-dash tachometer work? Or, will the MSD box fry my original tachometer? I know my car won't start without the tachometer harness connected, so how do you bypass the factory tach to allow the car to start? I read the online directions for the 6AL and they said I may need to wire a diode to
the voltage regulator to prevent engine run-on. Has anyone with experience using this combination needed to do this? Thanks for all your help. |
| | RE: MSD Ignition hookup question -- martin edridge, 02/07/2001
Yes, I have MSD 6AL on my Mustang but it's fired by the standard single-point distributor. Some time ago I found the engine tended to run on and I cured it by fitting the diode in circuit as MSD recommend. Problem solved. I can't say about your factory tach but I am sure there would be a way to plumb it in so it works. FWIW the running on did not occur immediately after fitting the MSD, it happened some weeks after. HTH
Cheers, Martin. |
| Cam for a 390? -- Tyrel Brandt, 02/07/2001
I have a 74 ford f150, im am trying to build it up as much as i can without a massive rebuild. it is a fairly new engine. it is the low compression model, right now it has an edelbrock performer manifold and edelbrock 600 carb and a pertronix ignitor electronic ignition. i have a plain c6 with 3.25 gears. I plan for headers cam and new gears along with a trany rebuild. I have some questions on what cam ( brand and specs) that would work well with this, i plan to get a stahl converter, do i need one, how big. i also have 3.73 gears lined up for it.
should i shave my heads or not. With all this in mind can you help me pick a cam. Do you have any other suggestions to build horespower?
thank you for your help |
| | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Stanley Superior, 02/07/2001
A 390 GT cam is about as wild as you want to go. Are you using this truck for racing? Anything more aggressive than a 390 GT cam will start breaking the fragile factory valvetrain components. |
| | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Tyrel Brandt, 02/07/2001
you mean a stock 390 GT cam from ford or what brand? What Kind of specs does it have? This truck is intended for light bracket racing and my sunday cruiser, i just want to squeeze as much out of it as i can without a full rebuild. Is there any other thing i could try to make more horses or torque?
Thank you |
| | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Jim D, 02/08/2001
Try either the Comp Cams 268H or Melling's MTF4. The Comp is a single pattern and the Melling is a dual pattern. Otherwise both are fairly comparable. |
| | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Tyrel Brandt, 02/10/2001
this cam would have to work well with a stock valve train maybe some roller rockers would it do it
should i shave my heads?
Thanx |
| | | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Steve Mason, 02/10/2001
Its recommended that with any hot cam change (even a Ford Factory 390GT cam) that you replace the valve springs & lifters. The Springs should be correct for the cam, otherwise the valves will float when you wind it out, and you'll do some serious damage.
I would do the the cam, lifters & springs, all at the same time.
What that 390 motor really needs to do is breathe, and that means Cam & Headers. The stock exhaust manifolds really hold this baby back. Get headers on it when you do the cam or you will not realize the Cams potential. 3.73's are good, for the rear but you may need to put Trac Bars on it to stop wheel hop. They are cheap and easy to install in your driveway.
Make sure you have enough Carb. This combination should probably have a 650 Holley Double Pumper Minimum. The cam is going is going to let you rev about 500rpm higher, so you'll need more carb and those springs.
Oh and I wouldn't get the 390GT cam, its too mild, Crane make s a dynamite cam thats a little hotter and will work better for you. The 390GT cams were designed in the 60's and they've learned a little since then.
Do these thungs and that truck of yours will rock !
Steve
ps a good investment would be to install a High Volume Oil Pump, all that power and not enough Lubrication = engine turning itself into hamburger !
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| | | | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Tyrel Brandt, 02/10/2001
what is the name of the crane cam you are talking about. what are some specs, how do i choose springs for it.
thanx |
| | | | | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- ninja, 02/10/2001
> what is the name of the crane cam you are talking about. what are some
> specs, how do i choose springs for it.
> thanx
tyrel, hows your hammer hangin boy? here is what to do, bend over and let me kick your ass. scrap the damn 390 and go with a 300 inline six. now that is a serious horsepower machine. i tell ya what. i have a 74 ford half ton too, its got a 300 six bored out .040, a crane cam, header, edelbrock performer rpm intake, forged aluminum pistons, eagle rods, forged crank, cross bolted mains, etc. anyway, i get that truck to run 13.01 at 105 mph. now how's that sound to you?
p.s. you know i used to own your truck. |
| | | | | | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Tyrel Brandt, 02/10/2001
no thanx ninja! |
| | | | | | | | tyrel, you it's me -- cody grimsrud, 02/11/2001
hey man it's me cody, i was just kiddin you about the inline six man. remember i used to own yor pickup? and you used to call me ninja? fag! |
| | | | | | RE: Cam for a 390? -- Steve Mason, 02/10/2001
Go to the speed shop and see what there is. I don't have the Crane Part #'s, but i think its 84---- , starts with an 84. Not very helpful I know This cam will make it rumble a bit at idle, but not to bad. Each different Cam will recommend the spring rate to be used, so when you make up your mind about the Cam, that will also decide your springs ! Remeber Torque rules on the street, not Horsepower ! So select accordingly !
Have a ball !
Steve
---> my baby ->>1967 Mustang GTA Fastback "S" code 390GT |
| | | | | | | RE: Found the Part# -- Steve Mason, 02/11/2001
The Crane Cams Part# is 343802 and it is called the PowerMax H-278-2
you can select them all yourself. Go see www.cranecams.com/motorsports/ |
| 428CJ rebuild -- Grant, 02/06/2001
I'm just starting the rebuild of a 428CJ that will be used for cruising, not hard racing. What can you guys recommend for someone new to fe's? Cams, pistons, etc, etc. I don't want to go crazy, I'm trying to keep this thing pretty much stock. Thanks.... |
| | RE: 428CJ rebuild -- Stanley Superior, 02/06/2001
If you want to keep it stock,that should be no problem. If you already have all the stock parts,but need it rebuilt,then you're already halfway there. Dont put stock points in it though. Go with an electronic ign. |
| | | RE: 428CJ rebuild -- Robert Mitchell, 02/07/2001
Regarding the ignition: I've recently installed a Pertronix Ignition and must say it is the simplest and most trouble free ignition ever, until you start spending several hundred dollars. Plus it retains the stock appearance of the engine, with everything tucked under the distributor cap. Friends have run them for years with no problem. Make sure you have a good distributor to begin with first though, for as with computers, garbage in=garbage out. Spend wisely. |
| | RE: 428CJ rebuild -- KarlJay, 02/07/2001
Do the standard oiling mods, see some of the post below for more info. Port the heads, focus on the bowls and exhaust roof humps. Gasket match all the ports. Use HV or HV/HP oil pump with ARP rod. |
| 69-70 smog -- john, 02/06/2001
Is the smog unit from a 69 Q-code mustang equal to the smog from a 70 R-code?
If not, whats the difference?
Does any have a picture or drawing of it with the part#s?
John |
| | Only significant difference is the pulley...and that's if it has A/C. [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/06/2001
n/m |
| | | RE: Only significant difference is the pulley...and that's if it has A/C. [n/m] -- john, 02/07/2001
Thanks.
Yesterday, I got an almost complete setup from a Q-code 69 for free? Only thing missing is the pulley. My car is a 70 R-code with air. What is the differense about the pulley? And where could I get a drawing/exploded wiev of a setup?
John |
| | | | RE: Only significant difference is the pulley.... [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/08/2001
Yesterday, I got an almost complete setup from a
Q-code 69 for free? Only thing missing is the pulley.
That's not usually a big problem...
My car is a 70 R-code with air.
....except in this case. The one you need is very
rare.
What is the differense about the
pulley?
Larger diameter than the non-A/C part and, for some
reason, different bolts.
And where could I get a drawing/exploded wiev of
a setup?
We offer copies of any Ford diagram in our files.
Prices start at $5. Should be something here for you, but you'll need to
call to be sure - see "Order Info", above.
Mr F
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| | | | | RE: Only significant difference is the pulley.... [n/m] -- john, 02/08/2001
Call? Do you know where I live? Norway, Scandinavia. That phonecall would not bee cheap!;-(
What is the part# /casting# on the pulley that I need??
What sice is it? Do you have a picture?
John
Yeah, it`s cold here.!;-{ |
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