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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4567&Reply=4567><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>cougar info</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>joe ligon, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>am seeking any info on 68 cougar 500's its supposed to be an R code car white with red interior. it has the normal cougar script followed by block 500 letters then a cyclone checkered flag. <br><br>thanks,<br><br>joe </blockquote> cougar info -- joe ligon, 02/03/2001
am seeking any info on 68 cougar 500's its supposed to be an R code car white with red interior. it has the normal cougar script followed by block 500 letters then a cyclone checkered flag.

thanks,

joe
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4583&Reply=4567><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: cougar info</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>john, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>See<br><a href="http://www.theclassiccougarnetwork.com/">http://www.theclassiccougarnetwork.com/</a><br><br>John<br> </blockquote> RE: cougar info -- john, 02/04/2001
See
http://www.theclassiccougarnetwork.com/

John
 RE: cougar info -- Tim, 02/20/2001
If you haven't already found it try: http://www.egroups.com/community/CLASSIC-COUGARS
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4564&Reply=4564><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Could anyone identify my 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phill Rose, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Could any one help me with the year of my engine.  I am pretty sure it is a 390, but I dont know what year for sure.  Here is the casting numbers that I could find.  Intake-"S" code C6AE 9425-C<br>Heads-C8AE-H  Block-C8ME-A  Thanks to anyone who can help.  It has an aftermarket Elenbrock so the carb is no help.<br>Thank You,<br>Phill Rose </blockquote> Could anyone identify my 390 -- Phill Rose, 02/03/2001
Could any one help me with the year of my engine. I am pretty sure it is a 390, but I dont know what year for sure. Here is the casting numbers that I could find. Intake-"S" code C6AE 9425-C
Heads-C8AE-H Block-C8ME-A Thanks to anyone who can help. It has an aftermarket Elenbrock so the carb is no help.
Thank You,
Phill Rose
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4576&Reply=4564><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Could anyone identify my 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RC Moser, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Heads should be Std. '68 360, 390, 428 (68 to 71 CCV). Block is alot harder to identify C8ME indicates it could be a 428, '68-'70, but trucks also had the same ID.  My book says 390 IDs don't have the ME with the prefix C8.  The suffix A indicates it's a orginal design meaning no  changes.  If you can you need to look at the crank, flywheel or flexplate. 428s were externally blanced and they have a thicker flywheel/flexplate with a counter weight attached.  A 390/352 flywheel don't have the weight. I think the 428 std crank forging number was IU. About all I can do for you.  </blockquote> RE: Could anyone identify my 390 -- RC Moser, 02/04/2001
Heads should be Std. '68 360, 390, 428 (68 to 71 CCV). Block is alot harder to identify C8ME indicates it could be a 428, '68-'70, but trucks also had the same ID. My book says 390 IDs don't have the ME with the prefix C8. The suffix A indicates it's a orginal design meaning no changes. If you can you need to look at the crank, flywheel or flexplate. 428s were externally blanced and they have a thicker flywheel/flexplate with a counter weight attached. A 390/352 flywheel don't have the weight. I think the 428 std crank forging number was IU. About all I can do for you.
 One great forum to a beginner!! -- Phill Rose, 02/04/2001
Thank you Mr. Moser,
This engine is only my third FE engine and the first one that I have had rebuilt. The other two were both truck engines in the original truck they came with. This one was swapped into a 1979 F-250 4X4 with a NP435 4-speed transmission. I did not know much about the engine. Thanks to great people like you and many others on the web this engine has really started to tell me a wonderful story.
Thank you,
Phill Rose
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4549&Reply=4549><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 air cleaner base</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>frank, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>will a 67 390 non gt air cleaner base part number c7sz-9600-a fit a gt 390/428 cj lid. Thanks<br> </blockquote> 428 air cleaner base -- frank, 02/03/2001
will a 67 390 non gt air cleaner base part number c7sz-9600-a fit a gt 390/428 cj lid. Thanks
 Both the lid & air filter should fit exactly.[n/m] -- Mr F, 02/03/2001
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4545&Reply=4545><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428cj power output</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>frank, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a new Holley 750 cfm vac. secondaries. </blockquote> 428cj power output -- frank, 02/02/2001
I have a new Holley 750 cfm vac. secondaries.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4546&Reply=4545><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428cj power output</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>frank, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Sorry I hit new post instead of respond. </blockquote> RE: 428cj power output -- frank, 02/02/2001
Sorry I hit new post instead of respond.
 RE: 428cj power output -- Rusty, 02/03/2001
I think Stanley's hp figure is probably low for your combo.
Rusty
 RE: 428cj power output -- Jeff H., 02/03/2001
I ran your combo on desktop dyno2000 and here are the results:

HP = 348 @5000
Torque = 445@3000

This seems a little low but without flow numbers for the stock CJ head I had to pick a "canned" head file that I thought was close. Desktop Dyno claims +/- 7% on their accuracy. I suspect that with the actual CJ head flow numbers I would get 360-370HP.

I ran another sim using a compression ratio of 10.6:1(stk CJ):

HP =370@5000
Torque =465@3000

Again, with bettter head info this might very well have been 380+.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4544&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jim Elsmore, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I had my flame up into my carburator, then I put out the flame. After the clean up, I started without air cleaner and it started but, it started oozing oil, at least I could see it rolling over the distributer clamp area an over. Yikes, I shut it down quick. What a mess? What could have melted or happened? Any help would be appreciated from you motor jockies!<br>Is there a oil pressure line there that might have been cooked?Thanks in advance.<br><br> </blockquote> Help w/ 428 -- Jim Elsmore, 02/02/2001
I had my flame up into my carburator, then I put out the flame. After the clean up, I started without air cleaner and it started but, it started oozing oil, at least I could see it rolling over the distributer clamp area an over. Yikes, I shut it down quick. What a mess? What could have melted or happened? Any help would be appreciated from you motor jockies!
Is there a oil pressure line there that might have been cooked?Thanks in advance.

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4547&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>When you had flames in the carb,did it "kick back"? If so,then what happened is that the motor turned in the opposite direction momentarily,forcing the oil pump to pump backwards and forcing the oil out of the pump and pan and forcing it out the nearest path of least resistence. This is very common on FE's. Is it running fine now? Any popping,stuttering,or minor backfiring? </blockquote> RE: Help w/ 428 -- Stanley Superior, 02/03/2001
When you had flames in the carb,did it "kick back"? If so,then what happened is that the motor turned in the opposite direction momentarily,forcing the oil pump to pump backwards and forcing the oil out of the pump and pan and forcing it out the nearest path of least resistence. This is very common on FE's. Is it running fine now? Any popping,stuttering,or minor backfiring?
 RE: Help w/ 428 -- Jim Elsmore, 02/03/2001
It started up fine. But I have oil pouring out on the top of the motor. It must be a oil pressure line? I will need to verify it in the daylight.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4551&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jim Elsmore, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>So, how do I get it to fire forward, if a pressure line isn't the culprit. It was gushing out around the distributer clamp, or aboe that. I couldn't tell. I just shut it down. It was running fine except it was spitting out oil. </blockquote> RE: Help w/ 428 -- Jim Elsmore, 02/03/2001
So, how do I get it to fire forward, if a pressure line isn't the culprit. It was gushing out around the distributer clamp, or aboe that. I couldn't tell. I just shut it down. It was running fine except it was spitting out oil.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4552&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Is this engine recently rebuilt? or was the distributor taken out then put back in for any reason? If so,its possible that the O-ring on the distributor was not replaced,or it has ripped and its letting oil get past it.  </blockquote> RE: Help w/ 428 -- Stanley Superior, 02/03/2001
Is this engine recently rebuilt? or was the distributor taken out then put back in for any reason? If so,its possible that the O-ring on the distributor was not replaced,or it has ripped and its letting oil get past it.
 RE: Help w/ 428 -- Jim Elsmore, 02/03/2001
I just got the car. It has been driven some 2000 miles since rebuild. I looked at the top of the engine. No signs of melted hoses. It just flames up thru carb. I am a little nervous to see if it will pump out more oil. I guess just cranking it will show oil without even getting it to start. All my old fords hate cold starts. They do it but seems to take a little babying to get them ready to run, then watch out.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4572&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jim Elsmore, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>We went to the trouble of after cleanup to change the rocker cover gaskets. since, when we started it up after a good cleanup. It would gush oil out at the top of the drivers side rocker cover, near the coil.<br>After we did all of that work, as you all know.. unbolt tops of shock towers, import brace reg body brace ect. We got the car back together. Then the moment of truth. It started up fine, then a minute later, oil appeared AGAIN!! In the same place!! We removed the coil to see what was going on.... The 1/8" oil pressure gauge line had a hole melted in it right under the coil. So, a 1/8" union coupling and $ 1.69 later. The oil problem was fixed. Sometimes it is the simple things that really make you go crazy. Especially after you realize that you could have saved yourself hours of work if you noticed the REAL problem! Oh well, I won't forget this experience. Thanks, for the help. Jim </blockquote> RE: Help w/ 428 -- Jim Elsmore, 02/03/2001
We went to the trouble of after cleanup to change the rocker cover gaskets. since, when we started it up after a good cleanup. It would gush oil out at the top of the drivers side rocker cover, near the coil.
After we did all of that work, as you all know.. unbolt tops of shock towers, import brace reg body brace ect. We got the car back together. Then the moment of truth. It started up fine, then a minute later, oil appeared AGAIN!! In the same place!! We removed the coil to see what was going on.... The 1/8" oil pressure gauge line had a hole melted in it right under the coil. So, a 1/8" union coupling and $ 1.69 later. The oil problem was fixed. Sometimes it is the simple things that really make you go crazy. Especially after you realize that you could have saved yourself hours of work if you noticed the REAL problem! Oh well, I won't forget this experience. Thanks, for the help. Jim
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4592&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Will, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>You may want to replace the oil pressure line with a copper one.  Those plastic lines can melt at any time (there's plenty of things on an engine hot enough), and when they melt through, they make a mess.  You've also got to worry about the line wearing through (from a pulley or belt, etc.)<br><br>I was riding down the interstate with a friend when he melted his oil pressure line.  We were on the side of the interstate for about an hour, until we rigged up a plug.<br><br>The copper lines are just as easy to install, and give you peace of mind. </blockquote> RE: Help w/ 428 -- Will, 02/04/2001
You may want to replace the oil pressure line with a copper one. Those plastic lines can melt at any time (there's plenty of things on an engine hot enough), and when they melt through, they make a mess. You've also got to worry about the line wearing through (from a pulley or belt, etc.)

I was riding down the interstate with a friend when he melted his oil pressure line. We were on the side of the interstate for about an hour, until we rigged up a plug.

The copper lines are just as easy to install, and give you peace of mind.
 RE: Help w/ 428 -- Dwayne Domangue, 02/05/2001
Can someone tell me where I could find torque specs for 360,390and428?I have a 1966 428 that came out of a Galaxie. It is in a 77 Ford F-250 now. I 'm fixing to pull it out to rebuild it, and I am putting a 390 in the truck for now.
 Stanley -- ANT, 02/05/2001
Don't you just love how stanley mixes in trash talk about FE's in his advice.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4555&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help w/ 428</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RC Moser, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>To me any time a engine backfires it's probably a timing or dist./ignition related problem or a outside change a carb. problem. First I'd check the points gap, cap, rotor, wires, Then, I put a dwell meter on it see if the dwell is within limits (means you got the points gap correct) then, I'd also put the NO.1 Cylinder at TDC with the rotor button pointing at #1 plug wire. Now look see how close the rotor aligns up with the #1 wire on the cap. Should be just before as your engine should be timed some where about 8 degrees before top dead center. ( timing chain could of slipped a tooth, if so the dist. will be off when you have it at TDC, not likely since the engine was recently rebuilt)  This will give you a idea if the engine is close to being timed. As for the turning backwards that is a rare instantanious moment that usually occurs just as the engine dies, Once you hit the start it cranks it the normal direction, if the timing is off by what ever problem then that's to me is where you get the backfire. As for the oil leak, you are just going to have to get it running and find out where it's leaking if you can't see where it's coming from. Another posibility is that the dist clamp bracket bolt is loose alowing the oil to leak or the O-ring is bad as Stanley suggested. Their is a oil sending unit at the back of the block. Usually it is a elect signal, but., if you have a direct pressure gauge then this could be a the source of your oil leak.  As for common on FEs to me it's not, Any engine that's out of time, ignition problem, or carb. problem will backfire through the carb. Hope this helps, post your findings in detail, I sure you will get some more responses with more actuate systoms.  </blockquote> RE: Help w/ 428 -- RC Moser, 02/03/2001
To me any time a engine backfires it's probably a timing or dist./ignition related problem or a outside change a carb. problem. First I'd check the points gap, cap, rotor, wires, Then, I put a dwell meter on it see if the dwell is within limits (means you got the points gap correct) then, I'd also put the NO.1 Cylinder at TDC with the rotor button pointing at #1 plug wire. Now look see how close the rotor aligns up with the #1 wire on the cap. Should be just before as your engine should be timed some where about 8 degrees before top dead center. ( timing chain could of slipped a tooth, if so the dist. will be off when you have it at TDC, not likely since the engine was recently rebuilt) This will give you a idea if the engine is close to being timed. As for the turning backwards that is a rare instantanious moment that usually occurs just as the engine dies, Once you hit the start it cranks it the normal direction, if the timing is off by what ever problem then that's to me is where you get the backfire. As for the oil leak, you are just going to have to get it running and find out where it's leaking if you can't see where it's coming from. Another posibility is that the dist clamp bracket bolt is loose alowing the oil to leak or the O-ring is bad as Stanley suggested. Their is a oil sending unit at the back of the block. Usually it is a elect signal, but., if you have a direct pressure gauge then this could be a the source of your oil leak. As for common on FEs to me it's not, Any engine that's out of time, ignition problem, or carb. problem will backfire through the carb. Hope this helps, post your findings in detail, I sure you will get some more responses with more actuate systoms.
 RE: Help w/ 428 -- Jim Elsmore, 02/03/2001
This morning after a major clean up in the daylight, we started it. It is a break in the rocker arm cover that is letting out oil. So we shut her down. we will replace the gaskets and after getting started again will have to check the timing, points ect. Since, I just got this car. It is an exploration time. I have all of the documentation but, what is going on now is reality. Thanks for everyones input.

What is the normal advance for a Stock 428?

thanks.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4557&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Old fords cold blooded?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RC Moser, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Also, you stated that all your old fords are cold blooded. This is usually caused by choke adjustments not set correctly. Another cause is points pitted, worn or gap off. Old Ford carb. are easy to adjust and preform guite well in all seasons if properly adjusted. Their is a intial setting that's set for summer driving and a richer setting set for winter driving. If the car is set on summer setting usually two notches to the lean on the thermostatic housing this could cause hard starting in the winter due to the choke not closing all the way. On the other hand if the choke was set too the winter setting usually two notches to the rich then the engine will run rich when in the warm up mode.  These setting has to be done when the engine is stone cold and the choke butterfly adjusted to where it just touches the carb. venturi housing. After you get that right you have to set the crack setting after the engine is started. This is usually about 1/8" gap this allow the right amount of air to enter the engine during warm up to prevent stalling (gap too wide) or sputtering (too rich, gap to narrow. After you get all these setting correct then you can adjust you fast idle usually around 1100 RPM. (This applys to most all carb. just have to figure out how to adjust, some you have to bend rods some have adjustment nuts/screws)  All these adjustments are slightly different for different models, but usually real close to these numbers. My old ford will start at 25 below (no block heater) fire right up and will not die even if I put in gear and drive off. You just have to be able to determine what the problem is and adjust something to correct it. I seen guys buy aftermarket carb. trying to solve a adjustment problem. Even with aftermarket carb. and a elect. choke you still have to do the intial adjustments, if they are off you still have the same problem, cold blooded starts. Not all of this may apply to you but I figure too much information can't hurt. hope this may shed some light on cold starting problems.  </blockquote> RE: Old fords cold blooded? -- RC Moser, 02/03/2001
Also, you stated that all your old fords are cold blooded. This is usually caused by choke adjustments not set correctly. Another cause is points pitted, worn or gap off. Old Ford carb. are easy to adjust and preform guite well in all seasons if properly adjusted. Their is a intial setting that's set for summer driving and a richer setting set for winter driving. If the car is set on summer setting usually two notches to the lean on the thermostatic housing this could cause hard starting in the winter due to the choke not closing all the way. On the other hand if the choke was set too the winter setting usually two notches to the rich then the engine will run rich when in the warm up mode. These setting has to be done when the engine is stone cold and the choke butterfly adjusted to where it just touches the carb. venturi housing. After you get that right you have to set the crack setting after the engine is started. This is usually about 1/8" gap this allow the right amount of air to enter the engine during warm up to prevent stalling (gap too wide) or sputtering (too rich, gap to narrow. After you get all these setting correct then you can adjust you fast idle usually around 1100 RPM. (This applys to most all carb. just have to figure out how to adjust, some you have to bend rods some have adjustment nuts/screws) All these adjustments are slightly different for different models, but usually real close to these numbers. My old ford will start at 25 below (no block heater) fire right up and will not die even if I put in gear and drive off. You just have to be able to determine what the problem is and adjust something to correct it. I seen guys buy aftermarket carb. trying to solve a adjustment problem. Even with aftermarket carb. and a elect. choke you still have to do the intial adjustments, if they are off you still have the same problem, cold blooded starts. Not all of this may apply to you but I figure too much information can't hurt. hope this may shed some light on cold starting problems.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4559&Reply=4544><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Old fords cold blooded?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jim Elsmore, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>thanks for your suggestions. Since I just bought the car yesterday. I will check it all out. The car was rarely driven and probably set up for optimal spring/summer choke conditions. It is a stock 735 Holly that I am dealing with. My car is a bone stock 68 Shelby GT500. I drove it around with no problems yesterday, at least 60 miles. Then it back fired and smoked up my air filter, looks like it started to melt a vacumn plug on the side of the carb, but after a rocker arm gasket leak we found the oil leak. The funny thing is this occured post carb fire. Oh well, I have seen plenty of coincidences before. This should be an easy fix. I am sure the timing is close, since I haven't had too much trouble getiing it started. The carb fire occured when the car was parked nose up in our driveway. It did.t start for a few crank, then it coughed and I could see flames from the drivers seat through the louver holes in the hood. I never knew the louvered hood could come in handy like that! Why the rocker gasket let out now is byond me. At least this is very quick fix. </blockquote> RE: Old fords cold blooded? -- Jim Elsmore, 02/03/2001
thanks for your suggestions. Since I just bought the car yesterday. I will check it all out. The car was rarely driven and probably set up for optimal spring/summer choke conditions. It is a stock 735 Holly that I am dealing with. My car is a bone stock 68 Shelby GT500. I drove it around with no problems yesterday, at least 60 miles. Then it back fired and smoked up my air filter, looks like it started to melt a vacumn plug on the side of the carb, but after a rocker arm gasket leak we found the oil leak. The funny thing is this occured post carb fire. Oh well, I have seen plenty of coincidences before. This should be an easy fix. I am sure the timing is close, since I haven't had too much trouble getiing it started. The carb fire occured when the car was parked nose up in our driveway. It did.t start for a few crank, then it coughed and I could see flames from the drivers seat through the louver holes in the hood. I never knew the louvered hood could come in handy like that! Why the rocker gasket let out now is byond me. At least this is very quick fix.
 RE: Old fords cold blooded? -- RC Moser, 02/03/2001
Jim, glad to hear you found the oil leak. The valve cover gasket was probably weak and read to go and the backfire just helped it along. Your holley carb. float level may be alittle high allowing gas to leak in the intake manifold when you parked the shelby in the drive way at a steep angle. This could explain the backfire. Sounds like you got a neat and rare car. Good luck and happy motoring....
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4543&Reply=4543><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Heater motor shield</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff H., <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>My 69 mach is missing the heater motor shield bracket as most of them are. My question is how rare are these pieces. I suspect that most of them got tossed during the first engine change. Ihave a chance to buy a good used one for $75. Is that too much? <br> </blockquote> Heater motor shield -- Jeff H., 02/02/2001
My 69 mach is missing the heater motor shield bracket as most of them are. My question is how rare are these pieces. I suspect that most of them got tossed during the first engine change. Ihave a chance to buy a good used one for $75. Is that too much?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4556&Reply=4543><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Heater motor shield</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phill Rose, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I saw one on E-BAY today that was NOS part with tube.  The current bid was $102.00.  Here is the item number.  If you can't find it type in FORD 390 on thier search engine.<br><br>Phill<br>     <br>    E-mail auction item #552149319 to a friend <br>**NOS FORD 390 428 HEAT SHIELD WITH TUBE *NR <br> </blockquote> RE: Heater motor shield -- Phill Rose, 02/03/2001
I saw one on E-BAY today that was NOS part with tube. The current bid was $102.00. Here is the item number. If you can't find it type in FORD 390 on thier search engine.

Phill

E-mail auction item #552149319 to a friend
**NOS FORD 390 428 HEAT SHIELD WITH TUBE *NR
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4563&Reply=4543><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Heater motor shield</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff H., <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Wrong kind of heater shield.  The one I need guards the heater blower motor on the firewall.  I do appreciate the response though, thanks.<br><br><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=553037840">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=553037840</a> </blockquote> RE: Heater motor shield -- Jeff H., 02/03/2001
Wrong kind of heater shield. The one I need guards the heater blower motor on the firewall. I do appreciate the response though, thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=553037840
 I think the depicted part is for 1967-68, only. [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/05/2001
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 $75 is fair. We charge about the same price. [n/m] -- Mr F, 02/03/2001
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4540&Reply=4540><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 cj power output</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>frank, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote> I was wondering if someone could give me a estimate on horsepower for my 428cj.  It is a 428 block bored .30 over and has 9.5 to 1 compression, stock cj heads, and intake.  The cam I have is a 268H from comp cams.  I have stock exhaust manifolds and 2 1/2 inch pipes. This is in a 69 mach with a close ratio 4 speed and 3.90 gears.    I'm kind of hoping for low 13's. I'm thinking about looking for an alumnium ford 427 intake about how much would that help the engine. Any info would be appreciated. </blockquote> 428 cj power output -- frank, 02/02/2001
I was wondering if someone could give me a estimate on horsepower for my 428cj. It is a 428 block bored .30 over and has 9.5 to 1 compression, stock cj heads, and intake. The cam I have is a 268H from comp cams. I have stock exhaust manifolds and 2 1/2 inch pipes. This is in a 69 mach with a close ratio 4 speed and 3.90 gears. I'm kind of hoping for low 13's. I'm thinking about looking for an alumnium ford 427 intake about how much would that help the engine. Any info would be appreciated.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4541&Reply=4540><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 cj power output</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rusty, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'll take a stab at it and say the low 400 hp range.  I assume you are running the stock cj cast iron manifold w/ a 735 carb.  If so, and you are looking for an aluminum intake, you will be able to remove about 50-60 pounds off the nose of the car.  If your not concerned with an original manifold, the Edelbrock 7105 would be a good choice, especially with the stick.<br>Rusty </blockquote> RE: 428 cj power output -- Rusty, 02/02/2001
I'll take a stab at it and say the low 400 hp range. I assume you are running the stock cj cast iron manifold w/ a 735 carb. If so, and you are looking for an aluminum intake, you will be able to remove about 50-60 pounds off the nose of the car. If your not concerned with an original manifold, the Edelbrock 7105 would be a good choice, especially with the stick.
Rusty
 RE: 428 cj power output -- Stanley Superior, 02/02/2001
In reality ,its about 365 HP. The 427 aluminum intake is a good swap,but only for the weight savings,as they dont really add any more power to the engine. You should be able to get 13's with no trouble with an aluminum intake.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4535&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Oil Burning 390.  Help!!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phill Rose, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>My name is Phill Rose and I have a Pre-65 390FE Ford engine. It is between a 66-76 engine.  I believe it is a 68.  I had a standard long block done at a local engine builder. Since I put the engine back in my truck it has smoked a good bit. Blue smoke like it is burning oil. It does use way to much oil, about a quart every 40 miles. I am no engine expert but I think that is way to much oil. I have about 350 mile on the new rebuild. I contacted the shop that rebuilt it and they said that I probably did not get the intake manifold sealed correctly. I pulled the intake after they said this and used high temperature gasket sealer and was careful not to use to much and to also make sure to seal at the corners were the heads and block meet. I used the cork gaskets on both ends of the intake and the gaskets were the intake and heads seal together. I do not have any external leaks that I can see. The engine is still burning oil. I called the engine shop back and they still think that the intake is not sealed properly. They have not been much help. I was told by another person that if more than .020" is machined off the heads that the intake manifold must also be machined. Is this true? I also did a compression check on the engine and all the cylinders checked 150psi, but the plugs where terribly oil fouled. The engine seem to run strong and does not seem to miss. I am using the recommended motercraft spark plugs in the truck. I think the intake is sucking the oil up from underneath where the intake meets the side of the heads. I don't know for sure but I think the heads have been machined before. My next step is to pull the intake back off and try not using the cork gaskets to see if that lets the intake drop down any farther. If anyone can help me in any way please contact me.<br>Thank you for your time, <br>Phillip J. Rose<br><br> </blockquote> Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- Phill Rose, 02/02/2001
My name is Phill Rose and I have a Pre-65 390FE Ford engine. It is between a 66-76 engine. I believe it is a 68. I had a standard long block done at a local engine builder. Since I put the engine back in my truck it has smoked a good bit. Blue smoke like it is burning oil. It does use way to much oil, about a quart every 40 miles. I am no engine expert but I think that is way to much oil. I have about 350 mile on the new rebuild. I contacted the shop that rebuilt it and they said that I probably did not get the intake manifold sealed correctly. I pulled the intake after they said this and used high temperature gasket sealer and was careful not to use to much and to also make sure to seal at the corners were the heads and block meet. I used the cork gaskets on both ends of the intake and the gaskets were the intake and heads seal together. I do not have any external leaks that I can see. The engine is still burning oil. I called the engine shop back and they still think that the intake is not sealed properly. They have not been much help. I was told by another person that if more than .020" is machined off the heads that the intake manifold must also be machined. Is this true? I also did a compression check on the engine and all the cylinders checked 150psi, but the plugs where terribly oil fouled. The engine seem to run strong and does not seem to miss. I am using the recommended motercraft spark plugs in the truck. I think the intake is sucking the oil up from underneath where the intake meets the side of the heads. I don't know for sure but I think the heads have been machined before. My next step is to pull the intake back off and try not using the cork gaskets to see if that lets the intake drop down any farther. If anyone can help me in any way please contact me.
Thank you for your time,
Phillip J. Rose

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4566&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Oil Burning 390.  Help!!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>02/03/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've had the same problem of excessive oil consumption.  Without a doubt it is caused by too much oil to the heads and oil being sucked past the valve seals.  Even new seals will leak if exesssive oil gets to the heads.  Install restrictors in heads and ensure drip trays are installed.  A compression check should reveal good compresion on your newly rebuilt engine, so the only place the oil can enter, if it's not past the rings, is down the valve guides or from the intake as you suspect.  If the intake isn't leaking anti-freeze, then it shouldn't be leaking oil either. So Voila!, must be down the valve guides. </blockquote> RE: Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- John, 02/03/2001
I've had the same problem of excessive oil consumption. Without a doubt it is caused by too much oil to the heads and oil being sucked past the valve seals. Even new seals will leak if exesssive oil gets to the heads. Install restrictors in heads and ensure drip trays are installed. A compression check should reveal good compresion on your newly rebuilt engine, so the only place the oil can enter, if it's not past the rings, is down the valve guides or from the intake as you suspect. If the intake isn't leaking anti-freeze, then it shouldn't be leaking oil either. So Voila!, must be down the valve guides.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4575&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Oil Burning 390.  Help!!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phill Rose, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thank you John,  it seems that I have narrowed it down to flooding the heads with oil.  It seems  that I put the rocker arm shaft assembly oil holes pointing towards the sky. I also installed a high flow oil pump.  I posted this on another forum and another kind gentleman pointed this out about the rocker arm shafts flooding the heads.  He also said that I might need restrictor orifices under the pedestal.  Where would I get these?<br>Thank you,<br>Phill Rose </blockquote> RE: Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- Phill Rose, 02/04/2001
Thank you John, it seems that I have narrowed it down to flooding the heads with oil. It seems that I put the rocker arm shaft assembly oil holes pointing towards the sky. I also installed a high flow oil pump. I posted this on another forum and another kind gentleman pointed this out about the rocker arm shafts flooding the heads. He also said that I might need restrictor orifices under the pedestal. Where would I get these?
Thank you,
Phill Rose
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4577&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Oil Burning 390.  Help!!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Holley mainjets are rumored to be a perfect drop-in fit.  There are many solutions, all pretty much home brewed, and all do a good job as long as they're not too loose on the OD and not so small the orifice can clog or restrict too much flow.<br><br>I seem to recall some folk saying a #60 jet or maybe a .060" diameter orifice in the jet (I forget, and it really depends on personal tastes anyway).  Others say different diameters, and I'd probably opt for a slightly larger diameter until you get a specification from some FE'er you trust.  I don't recall the specs of the drilled copper wire I use.<br><br>Just yank the rocker assy and drop it down the (1/4"?) oil feed hole that comes up near the bolt hole.<br><br>Also, you apparently have a 1968-71 vintage motor, based on your part numbers.  You'd have to look at the date codes in the casting to narrow it down more.  The "S" intake is also known as the "equal runner" intake, the smoothest idling and smoothest running intake of all FEs (JMO).  They come in both 2V and 4V forms and are basically all identical and quite common from 1966-on.  The only alternative is the very common "T" intake which was also available from 1966-on.  Both are emissions design intakes which have smaller runners than '65-earlier intakes.  Your intake may sit 3/4" taller than the "T" intake, but it's not a performance intake by any stretch of the imagination.  Still, it's a good intake design.  Your block markings are generic and could mean it's any block from 68-later.  Ford got sloppy with FE block casting numbers from '66 thru '71 and even later.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> RE: Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- Dave Shoe, 02/04/2001
Holley mainjets are rumored to be a perfect drop-in fit. There are many solutions, all pretty much home brewed, and all do a good job as long as they're not too loose on the OD and not so small the orifice can clog or restrict too much flow.

I seem to recall some folk saying a #60 jet or maybe a .060" diameter orifice in the jet (I forget, and it really depends on personal tastes anyway). Others say different diameters, and I'd probably opt for a slightly larger diameter until you get a specification from some FE'er you trust. I don't recall the specs of the drilled copper wire I use.

Just yank the rocker assy and drop it down the (1/4"?) oil feed hole that comes up near the bolt hole.

Also, you apparently have a 1968-71 vintage motor, based on your part numbers. You'd have to look at the date codes in the casting to narrow it down more. The "S" intake is also known as the "equal runner" intake, the smoothest idling and smoothest running intake of all FEs (JMO). They come in both 2V and 4V forms and are basically all identical and quite common from 1966-on. The only alternative is the very common "T" intake which was also available from 1966-on. Both are emissions design intakes which have smaller runners than '65-earlier intakes. Your intake may sit 3/4" taller than the "T" intake, but it's not a performance intake by any stretch of the imagination. Still, it's a good intake design. Your block markings are generic and could mean it's any block from 68-later. Ford got sloppy with FE block casting numbers from '66 thru '71 and even later.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4580&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Oil Burning 390.  Help!!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phill Rose, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thank you Dave for all your help.  I understand the idea now of the restrictor orifice.  I am waiting on a new valley pan to go under my intake before I can test out all these ideas.  I will keep the forum posted.  Thanks for your help and also to anyone else who responded to my problem.<br>Thank you,<br>Phill Rose </blockquote> RE: Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- Phill Rose, 02/04/2001
Thank you Dave for all your help. I understand the idea now of the restrictor orifice. I am waiting on a new valley pan to go under my intake before I can test out all these ideas. I will keep the forum posted. Thanks for your help and also to anyone else who responded to my problem.
Thank you,
Phill Rose
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4582&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Oil Burning 390.  Help!!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>FPP sells screw in restrictor that are nothing more than a Allen Plugs witha 0.090" hole drilled in them.  I'm going to try them next myself.  You can make your own.  I originally used 1" long Aluminum dowels with a 0.090" hole drilled down the middle, but they were a "slip" fit, so I think extra oil got by around the dowel.  If you go less than 0.090, say to 0.060 as suggested previously, you should check the restrictors after your engine has run a bit to make sure any maching debris doesn't start to plug them up...a pain in the ass...but probably worthwhile.  All the Ford books and magazine articles I read call for the dowel with a 0.090" hole, but I still had flooding similiar to yours....a lot of which I attribute to not using the oil drip trays which aid in oil drainback.  These heads do drain slowly out the corner returns because the headbolts partially block off the passages.  Notice how when your engine warms up and the oil thins, there is less smoking as the oil returns faster and less oil gets down the guides.  For the record, I used positive type seals and still had the problem.  I nfact some of you may remember my letters on the subject.  It got to a point that my oil level dropped about a quart due to this, and under hard acceleration the HV pump sucked air and I lost my main bearings.  The engine is presently undergoing major surgery and I am investigating a larger capacity pan.<br><br>John </blockquote> RE: Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- John, 02/04/2001
FPP sells screw in restrictor that are nothing more than a Allen Plugs witha 0.090" hole drilled in them. I'm going to try them next myself. You can make your own. I originally used 1" long Aluminum dowels with a 0.090" hole drilled down the middle, but they were a "slip" fit, so I think extra oil got by around the dowel. If you go less than 0.090, say to 0.060 as suggested previously, you should check the restrictors after your engine has run a bit to make sure any maching debris doesn't start to plug them up...a pain in the ass...but probably worthwhile. All the Ford books and magazine articles I read call for the dowel with a 0.090" hole, but I still had flooding similiar to yours....a lot of which I attribute to not using the oil drip trays which aid in oil drainback. These heads do drain slowly out the corner returns because the headbolts partially block off the passages. Notice how when your engine warms up and the oil thins, there is less smoking as the oil returns faster and less oil gets down the guides. For the record, I used positive type seals and still had the problem. I nfact some of you may remember my letters on the subject. It got to a point that my oil level dropped about a quart due to this, and under hard acceleration the HV pump sucked air and I lost my main bearings. The engine is presently undergoing major surgery and I am investigating a larger capacity pan.

John
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4585&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Fpp web site?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phill Rose, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks John,<br>It looks as though I have to take this one step at a time.  Would I have been better to have not installed the high volume oil pump in the first place?  Thanks for all the help I will keep the forum posted.  Does FPP have a web site?<br>Thank you,<br>Phill Rose </blockquote> Fpp web site? -- Phill Rose, 02/04/2001
Thanks John,
It looks as though I have to take this one step at a time. Would I have been better to have not installed the high volume oil pump in the first place? Thanks for all the help I will keep the forum posted. Does FPP have a web site?
Thank you,
Phill Rose
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4586&Reply=4535><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Fpp web site?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Martin, <i>02/04/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>FPP knows more about FE's than anyone, and I respect them for that, however their mail-order business is run as badly as can be imagined...maybe worse.  Good Luck purchasing from them.  You can make your own restrictors though.  They don't have a web site, but I know that Ron Miller(the owner...who means well but doesn't always follow-up on promises) reads the various tech forums concerning the FE's on the web.  I have their catalog, and if you are interested in a particular part, I can provide the price, their address and phone and FAX number.(Good luck getting through on the phone!)  I can even scan the appropriate page and send it to you.  Let me know at carol.martin@ns.sympatico.ca and I'll try to help.<br><br>John<br><br>ps: everytime I write about FPP, I get the feeling they will never do business with me again if they read what I say.  It's too bad because they manufacture and supply quality products.  They seem happy that their business provides them with an income with which they can indulge their racing hobby, but with complete disregard for enhancing and enlarging their business which they need to do in order to keep their present and potential customers happy. </blockquote> RE: Fpp web site? -- John Martin, 02/04/2001
FPP knows more about FE's than anyone, and I respect them for that, however their mail-order business is run as badly as can be imagined...maybe worse. Good Luck purchasing from them. You can make your own restrictors though. They don't have a web site, but I know that Ron Miller(the owner...who means well but doesn't always follow-up on promises) reads the various tech forums concerning the FE's on the web. I have their catalog, and if you are interested in a particular part, I can provide the price, their address and phone and FAX number.(Good luck getting through on the phone!) I can even scan the appropriate page and send it to you. Let me know at carol.martin@ns.sympatico.ca and I'll try to help.

John

ps: everytime I write about FPP, I get the feeling they will never do business with me again if they read what I say. It's too bad because they manufacture and supply quality products. They seem happy that their business provides them with an income with which they can indulge their racing hobby, but with complete disregard for enhancing and enlarging their business which they need to do in order to keep their present and potential customers happy.
 ps: HV Pump -- John Martin, 02/04/2001
I use the Melling M57HV pump, and I probably don't need it as I have blocked off the hyd lifter galleries so more oil is fed to the cam and mains. But every book ever written on the FE says to use the Melling HV pump, so I will continue to do so. One write back to one of my posts does amazing 1/4 miles with the stock pump. Just remember, the HV pump only increases oil flow until the bypass opens, when it will only provide what a stock pump delivers. 80 psi max for a HV pump compared to 55 psi for a stock pump. But at an idle, the HV pump will keep oil pressure a little ahead for when you need it during acceleration. A HP poump will allow more oil flow at high RPM's, but who would ever need more than 5500 to 6000 rpm in a street/strip motor?

John
 RE: Oil Burning 390. Help!! -- Dave Christo, 02/04/2001
Phil- you can restrict the oil to the top as stated, but the real problem is the high volume oil pump. Unless there is a need due to excessive oil clearances on the rods/mains, you can get away with a standard Melling type pump. The oil pan can be literally 'pumped dry' from the high volume pump,and then you have real trouble. Also, you can use teflon type valve seals; that may help some. Get rid of that pump!-regards-Dave C.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4525&Reply=4525><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 GT valve Covers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brian Anderson, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 1967 Fairlane GT with a 390 in it.<br>Is it supposed to have chrome "Power by Ford" <br>valve covers on it or the smooth chrome covers?<br><br> </blockquote> 390 GT valve Covers -- Brian Anderson, 02/02/2001
I have a 1967 Fairlane GT with a 390 in it.
Is it supposed to have chrome "Power by Ford"
valve covers on it or the smooth chrome covers?

 RE: 390 GT valve Covers -- Mike McQuesten, 02/02/2001
Yes, 1967 was when the Power by Ford valve covers replaced the low, smooth pent roof valve covers used on the '66 GT/GTA 390 Fairlane.
 RE: 390 GT valve Covers -- Mike McQuesten, 02/02/2001
I got to thinking about my response to your question Brian and it's very possible that if your '67 Fairlane GT is a early production GT, it could possibly have the low, pent roof chrome covers like the '66s had. The Power by Ford covers were an improvement in that they would allow adjustable rockers.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4515&Reply=4515><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C6AE-R or C4EA-G</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve Gundlach, <i>02/02/2001</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone have just one C6AE-R or C4AE-G head lying around that they would like to sell? </blockquote> C6AE-R or C4EA-G -- Steve Gundlach, 02/02/2001
Does anyone have just one C6AE-R or C4AE-G head lying around that they would like to sell?
 RE: C6AE-R or C4EA-G -- Rusty, 02/02/2001
I think I do have one C6AE-R head, I'll check.
Rusty
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