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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2445&Reply=2445><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Another header question...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>J. Robb, <i>08/16/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I own a 69 Cougar with a 390 "IP", I have a few questions about putting headers on..<br>1) The way I understand it, I have the "low exit" heads, right?<br>2) That engine compartment is VERY tight, how will headers even fit the car?  Will any modifications need to made to anything?<br>3) I would like to keep the stock H-pipe, intermediates, and tail pipes, but put on high flow mufflers, are the headers the stock manifold length?  and is 2" dual pipes adequate? (I plan to do a mild rebuild)<br>4) What would be the best place to buy them, all the prices i've seen are VERY expensive.<br><br>I'm just trying to gather information right now, I have a lot of work to do before I think about headers, but before I get a ticket I have to do something with the exhaust, since its virtually non-existant... any experiances with similar vehicles would be appreciated, thanks a lot </blockquote> Another header question... -- J. Robb, 08/16/2000
I own a 69 Cougar with a 390 "IP", I have a few questions about putting headers on..
1) The way I understand it, I have the "low exit" heads, right?
2) That engine compartment is VERY tight, how will headers even fit the car? Will any modifications need to made to anything?
3) I would like to keep the stock H-pipe, intermediates, and tail pipes, but put on high flow mufflers, are the headers the stock manifold length? and is 2" dual pipes adequate? (I plan to do a mild rebuild)
4) What would be the best place to buy them, all the prices i've seen are VERY expensive.

I'm just trying to gather information right now, I have a lot of work to do before I think about headers, but before I get a ticket I have to do something with the exhaust, since its virtually non-existant... any experiances with similar vehicles would be appreciated, thanks a lot
 RE: Another header source! -- Hot Rod Lorenzen, 08/17/2000
J, you may want to check into Fordpowertrain.com for an application. Stan builds shorty's and try-Y's for some of the strangest and tightest applications. As usual, his website should be down because his web designer is pretty sad. Stan may be your man for your application! Hot Rod Lorenzen
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2443&Reply=2443><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 cj valves</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ted Young, <i>08/16/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am new to FE's and I know that with small blocks you can put the 351w valves in 389 heads.  Can I put 428 cj exhaust valves in 390 GT heads?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Ted </blockquote> 428 cj valves -- Ted Young, 08/16/2000
I am new to FE's and I know that with small blocks you can put the 351w valves in 389 heads. Can I put 428 cj exhaust valves in 390 GT heads?

Thanks,
Ted
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2446&Reply=2443><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Yes....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John.J, <i>08/17/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>Yes..they fit with room to spare.I beleive the max valve size on a 390 is 2.135(intake/its a cut down 427 valve)and 1.75 (1.73 is a stock 427 exhaust valve size)on the exhaust.Correct me if i'm mistaken anyone...John </blockquote> Yes.... -- John.J, 08/17/2000
Yes..they fit with room to spare.I beleive the max valve size on a 390 is 2.135(intake/its a cut down 427 valve)and 1.75 (1.73 is a stock 427 exhaust valve size)on the exhaust.Correct me if i'm mistaken anyone...John
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2479&Reply=2443><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Would a 1.75 exhaust valve be needed on a 390?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bill Ballinger, <i>08/19/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I would think that a 1.65 would be plenty big for a 400 inch range engine, and the smaller 390 bore would actally shroud the 1.75 so bad you would lose flow by the interruption of the flow ring.<br><br> </blockquote> Would a 1.75 exhaust valve be needed on a 390? -- Bill Ballinger, 08/19/2000
I would think that a 1.65 would be plenty big for a 400 inch range engine, and the smaller 390 bore would actally shroud the 1.75 so bad you would lose flow by the interruption of the flow ring.

 I agree bill -- John.J, 08/19/2000
I wasn't recommending the valve size but only listing the maximum size i was aware of.I do agree that the 1.75 valve a way to large for the 390....John
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2440&Reply=2440><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Dumb carb question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RIVRRAT, <i>08/16/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>Which carb would be better for my 428CJ with dual plane PI manifold: Edelbrock 750/800 cfm or a Carter 750 AFB? The internals are all stock and the heads have been port matched. </blockquote> Dumb carb question -- RIVRRAT, 08/16/2000
Which carb would be better for my 428CJ with dual plane PI manifold: Edelbrock 750/800 cfm or a Carter 750 AFB? The internals are all stock and the heads have been port matched.
 No question is dumb if your smart enough to ask!!! -- John.J, 08/17/2000
They are basically the same carb(edelbrocks performer carb is fashioned after the carter).I would definately recommend a holley over either of those two(WAY easier to tune).Vic edelbrock himself uses holley carbs on both his road racing cars if that doesn't tell you something.JMO...John
 RE: Dumb carb question -- dale large, 08/20/2000
ill pick choice 3 holley 750 vac. sec.and get a quick change kit with assorted springs (to open up sec. quicker) you well be very pleased!!!!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2437&Reply=2437><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>302 starter swap</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Charlie Powell, <i>08/16/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am having problems installing a set of Sanderson headers on a '78 302 engine with the stock starter. The header is rubbing up against the starter, Sanderson's Tech Dept. tells me that I can swap starters by using a Ford starter which is smaller in diameter and only 6-7/8" long, but they couldn't tell me what year model to use. Has anyone used a smaller later model starter on a early 302 engine. If so, I would appreciate any information that you can give. Thanks, Charlie   </blockquote> 302 starter swap -- Charlie Powell, 08/16/2000
I am having problems installing a set of Sanderson headers on a '78 302 engine with the stock starter. The header is rubbing up against the starter, Sanderson's Tech Dept. tells me that I can swap starters by using a Ford starter which is smaller in diameter and only 6-7/8" long, but they couldn't tell me what year model to use. Has anyone used a smaller later model starter on a early 302 engine. If so, I would appreciate any information that you can give. Thanks, Charlie
 RE: 302 starter swap -- don jr, 08/16/2000
you may be able to use the small diameter starter from the fox chassis ltd wagons. my dad had one with a 3.8L v6 and it had a small starter but they are MUCH more expensive.
 RE: 302 starter swap -- Lou, 08/17/2000
If Sanderson sold you these headers to fit your 302, I think Sanderson has the problem, not you!
If this is the case, send them back with a note to send you a set that fits or a refund.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2426&Reply=2426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>need CARB advice for FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Morgan, <i>08/15/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am switching out my dual carb set up on my 67 GT-500 for a single four barrel unit. My question is which brand carb should I run. The car is maily driven on the street to and from events as well as some weekend cruising. I plan to use a<br>750, but should it be a Holley or Edlebrock and why?    </blockquote> need CARB advice for FE -- Morgan, 08/15/2000
I am switching out my dual carb set up on my 67 GT-500 for a single four barrel unit. My question is which brand carb should I run. The car is maily driven on the street to and from events as well as some weekend cruising. I plan to use a
750, but should it be a Holley or Edlebrock and why?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2429&Reply=2426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: need CARB advice for FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>martin edridge, <i>08/15/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>What manifold are you going to use? If you are using an Edelbrock, maybe sticking with an Edelbrock carb would be an idea. Many people seem to prefer them to Holleys now. I have taken my 'race' 850 Holley off my 460CJ powered Mustang in favour of a Thermoquad which turns in at least as much performance but is a sweeter piece. Similar principles to the Edelbrock. Guess it comes down to your own personal preferences in the end.  HTH<br>Cheers,  Martin. </blockquote> RE: need CARB advice for FE -- martin edridge, 08/15/2000
What manifold are you going to use? If you are using an Edelbrock, maybe sticking with an Edelbrock carb would be an idea. Many people seem to prefer them to Holleys now. I have taken my 'race' 850 Holley off my 460CJ powered Mustang in favour of a Thermoquad which turns in at least as much performance but is a sweeter piece. Similar principles to the Edelbrock. Guess it comes down to your own personal preferences in the end. HTH
Cheers, Martin.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2431&Reply=2426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: need CARB advice for FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jgb, <i>08/15/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>check out the new demon carbs. they have a lot of nice design fetures going for them. for one thing there bases and bowls are machined out of billet so you dont have to worry all the warpage problem that holley are known for. the have a web site but try www.paceparts.com/demon_carburetion.htm </blockquote> RE: need CARB advice for FE -- jgb, 08/15/2000
check out the new demon carbs. they have a lot of nice design fetures going for them. for one thing there bases and bowls are machined out of billet so you dont have to worry all the warpage problem that holley are known for. the have a web site but try www.paceparts.com/demon_carburetion.htm
 RE: need CARB advice for FE -- Morgan, 08/15/2000
Yeah, I like the Demon, but it is somewhat expensive, have not heard from many people who have them yet and its only a 650 cfm. The manifold I will be installling I think will be a Holley that I am getting from a friend (used).
If that falls through then I will purchase a Edelbrock performer.

thanks
 RE: need CARB advice for FE -- Pat, 09/19/2000
I can recommend the Demon - I have a 750 Speed Demon that works well.
 RE: need CARB advice for FE -- Rick Croom, 10/10/2000
For maintenance free daily driving I would use an Edlebrock. I bought one for my last truck took it out of the box bolted it on and didn't touch it for three years. On my current truck there is a two year old holley that has been off the truck 3 different times for rebuild kits and various other BS.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2997&Reply=2426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: need CARB advice for FE</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Faron Rhoads, <i>10/10/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>My 25+ years Experience Leans my opinion toward a Holley List 03310 750 <br>Vac Secondary. However the New Eldebrock 800 is an Option abiet, pricey!, Also <br>if you do get a different Intake Spring for The RPM over the Performer as it is <br>much more suited to a car such as yours.  </blockquote> RE: need CARB advice for FE -- Faron Rhoads, 10/10/2000
My 25+ years Experience Leans my opinion toward a Holley List 03310 750
Vac Secondary. However the New Eldebrock 800 is an Option abiet, pricey!, Also
if you do get a different Intake Spring for The RPM over the Performer as it is
much more suited to a car such as yours.
 RE: need CARB advice for FE -- Morgan, 10/11/2000
Thanks for the advice everyone,
Well because of work and family life, things have moved slower than hoped on this little project.
You know how it is one thing leads to another, like while I got this part off I might as well clean and paint it and that part there, it needs to be plated. One thing I did do was purchase a Holley 750 with vac secondary and electric choke.
Its sitting on the manifold which was installed on Sunday. But I still have to install the rockers and distributor. Sould be soon. I will let everyone know how it runs when completed.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2425&Reply=2425><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>what do i have.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>anthony h. lovings, <i>08/15/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>i recently bought a fresh 390 motor out of a 69 mustang coupe. i am having trouble identifying the block. the part number is c6me-a and date code is 6k14. also the intake part number is c5ae9425c. the block also has a tapped fitting in the side of the motor but is capped off. thanks in advance for any help. </blockquote> what do i have. -- anthony h. lovings, 08/15/2000
i recently bought a fresh 390 motor out of a 69 mustang coupe. i am having trouble identifying the block. the part number is c6me-a and date code is 6k14. also the intake part number is c5ae9425c. the block also has a tapped fitting in the side of the motor but is capped off. thanks in advance for any help.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2427&Reply=2425><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Sounds like a standard '66 galaxie 390 [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/15/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Sounds like a standard '66 galaxie 390 [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/15/2000
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2428&Reply=2425><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Sounds like a standard '66 galaxie 390 [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>anthony h. lovings, <i>08/15/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>thanks for the info. this motor also has the c7ae-a heads and the gt exhaust manifolds. how much of a difference in power was there between the 390 in the galaxie and the 390 in the mustangs. thanks  </blockquote> RE: Sounds like a standard '66 galaxie 390 [n/m] -- anthony h. lovings, 08/15/2000
thanks for the info. this motor also has the c7ae-a heads and the gt exhaust manifolds. how much of a difference in power was there between the 390 in the galaxie and the 390 in the mustangs. thanks
 RE: Sounds like a standard '66 galaxie 390 [n/m] -- Scott, 08/15/2000
The 390GT was rated at 320hp-335hp depending on
year while the base 390 4v was 315hp for 1966. Of
course that's gross HP, so net HP will be less.
The main difference is in the camshaft. The 390GT
got a better camshaft which probably added about
20-25 net HP. Keep in mind that the previous owner
could have swapped that out long ago, since you
already have a mix and match engine.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2421&Reply=2421><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FE HD distributor wanted</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Sheldon Rier, <i>08/14/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi<br><br>I have a 359HD engine out of a mid 70's F600 uhaul truck in a 1956 C600 cab over<br><br>unfortunately the distributor housing is cracked & needs replacing<br><br>people have told me these motors are based on the FE blocks but may be differences in the size of the oil puimp hex etc so a regular FE distributor may or may not work<br><br>if anybody has ideas they would be greatly appreciated<br><br>Thanks!!<br>Sheldon </blockquote> FE HD distributor wanted -- Sheldon Rier, 08/14/2000
Hi

I have a 359HD engine out of a mid 70's F600 uhaul truck in a 1956 C600 cab over

unfortunately the distributor housing is cracked & needs replacing

people have told me these motors are based on the FE blocks but may be differences in the size of the oil puimp hex etc so a regular FE distributor may or may not work

if anybody has ideas they would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!!
Sheldon
 RE: FE HD distributor wanted -- Ed Foral, 08/15/2000
One of your local parts stores should carry a reman distributor for your engine.

Ed
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2420&Reply=2420><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Oil Pump Drives</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Pete W., <i>08/14/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>Who makes the beefy oil pump drives for FEs, I currently have a Motorsports one and am not impressed. </blockquote> Oil Pump Drives -- Pete W., 08/14/2000
Who makes the beefy oil pump drives for FEs, I currently have a Motorsports one and am not impressed.
 RE: Oil Pump Drives -- Phill Oppelt, 08/15/2000
I seem to recall DOVE having one available.
Phill O.
 RE: ARP from Summit Racing -- Morgan, 08/15/2000
Just purchased one for the Shelby but have not installed it yet. Part number is ARP-154-7902 and its rated at 170,000 psi. The cost is $16.95
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2419&Reply=2419><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ryan, <i>08/14/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 1974 F-100 w/390, as many of you may have already read in my many inquiries, and was wondering if there are any other, BIGGER, headers off another vehicle that will fit my truck and motor? </blockquote> headers -- Ryan, 08/14/2000
I have a 1974 F-100 w/390, as many of you may have already read in my many inquiries, and was wondering if there are any other, BIGGER, headers off another vehicle that will fit my truck and motor?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2438&Reply=2419><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ken, <i>08/16/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ryan,<br>Sorry, I haven't caught any previous posts and don't know your build up or intentions but as Dave Shoe always points out, there's two options For headers. 65/66' and earlier heads that have the high exit exhaust port can use Hooker headers and such and they offer big tube primaries for the FE. If you have the low exit exhaust port found one 67' and newer heads then FPP offers the correct headers for all applications. I've found that 1-3/4" primary long tube headers offer the best performance for the street in RPM's up to 6000-6500 RPM for a 390. Sorry if this didn't answer anything, it's the only post of yours I've caught so far.<br><br>Good luck<br>Ken<br> </blockquote> RE: headers -- Ken, 08/16/2000
Ryan,
Sorry, I haven't caught any previous posts and don't know your build up or intentions but as Dave Shoe always points out, there's two options For headers. 65/66' and earlier heads that have the high exit exhaust port can use Hooker headers and such and they offer big tube primaries for the FE. If you have the low exit exhaust port found one 67' and newer heads then FPP offers the correct headers for all applications. I've found that 1-3/4" primary long tube headers offer the best performance for the street in RPM's up to 6000-6500 RPM for a 390. Sorry if this didn't answer anything, it's the only post of yours I've caught so far.

Good luck
Ken
 RE: headers -- Ryan, 08/16/2000
Thanks Ken! It helped.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2418&Reply=2418><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Fuel?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ryan, <i>08/14/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote>I was just checking out the "Engines" link, and wasn't sure of my engine code, but I have a '74 390 and noticed that all the 390s required premium fuel.  Does this stand true for my 390 these days??? </blockquote> Fuel? -- Ryan, 08/14/2000
I was just checking out the "Engines" link, and wasn't sure of my engine code, but I have a '74 390 and noticed that all the 390s required premium fuel. Does this stand true for my 390 these days???
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=2455&Reply=2418><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Fuel?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Hot Rod Lorenzen, <i>08/17/2000</i></font><br /><blockquote> I am a firm believer in the compression ratio rule of thumb: 9.5:1 cr with iron heads, while 10:1 would call for aluminum heads. There are exceptions to this rule because large radiators and rear-end gears can minimize the load on your engine and cooling system. It seems trucks usually have both, so you are lucky. Some quench designs can also go further. Detonation and burnt exhaust valves seems to be the result of low octane or too much C.R. I do not know what 390 you have. Drive it on regular until it pings then either re-curve your distributor or refuel on 92. It seems the vacuum advance yanks on the breaker plate way too hard for today's crappy fuel. More power depends on how much gas money you want to spend! Hot Rod Lorenzen  </blockquote> RE: Fuel? -- Hot Rod Lorenzen, 08/17/2000
I am a firm believer in the compression ratio rule of thumb: 9.5:1 cr with iron heads, while 10:1 would call for aluminum heads. There are exceptions to this rule because large radiators and rear-end gears can minimize the load on your engine and cooling system. It seems trucks usually have both, so you are lucky. Some quench designs can also go further. Detonation and burnt exhaust valves seems to be the result of low octane or too much C.R. I do not know what 390 you have. Drive it on regular until it pings then either re-curve your distributor or refuel on 92. It seems the vacuum advance yanks on the breaker plate way too hard for today's crappy fuel. More power depends on how much gas money you want to spend! Hot Rod Lorenzen
 RE: Fuel? -- Ryan, 08/17/2000
Damn!! Thought no one would answer...thanks for the info on both of my ??? I appreciate it and you have shed a lot of light on my project!!!
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