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 |  Electronic Distributor -- Lucas, 04/12/2005
Anyone have the part number for Duraspark electronic distributor that fits FEs? |
 | date code -- Gary, 04/12/2005
Hello
My door tag on a 1964 Galixie 500 reads 15d in the date slot. The letter D is April I think and 15 is the day. My question is, it states a-m "first model year" and n-z "second model year"What year was it assembled ?1963 or19 64? Part numbers changed mid run. |
| 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- mike, 04/11/2005
I am taking out 427 side oiler and installing factory correct 428 PI. Can someone please tell me the correct block, head , crank, and rods stamping numbers for my 67 Shelby GT500. Thanks ! |
| | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- Royce Peterson, 04/12/2005
Block possibilities = C6ME, C6ME-A, C7ME, C7ME-A or nothing. You will need to sonic check and measure bore size to be sure it is a 428 block. Usually a big "A" scratched on the rear bulkhead.
Heads C6AE-R or C7AE-A with 14 bolt exhaust bolt hole pattern Same as 390GT Mustang / Cougar / Fairlane / Comet in 1967.
Date codes for block and heads appropriate for build date I.E before the car was built. Note that these casting numbers also were used on 352, 410 and 390 FE's of the period.
Crank = 1U
Rods = C7AE-B.
Royce |
| |  | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- salid, 04/12/2005
According to the last SAAC Registry,
block C6ME or C6ME-A
crank C6ME or IU
rods C6AE-D
heads C7AE-A
intake C7ZX-A
carbs C3AF-9510-BK, BJ
C3AE-9510-C
exhausts C6OE-9430-A (R)
C7OE-9431-A (L)
Having said that, Royce's answer may "more complete". The same reference says the 68 500 KR has no block casting number, but mine says C6ME-A. It says that the crank should say IUB, but mine says IU. It says that the rods should say C6AE-D, but mine say C7AE-B. The other numbers are as they "should be". I bought my car new, so these are the original pieces.
By the way, you're probably trying to get rid of that worthless 427. I'd come and haul it off for you. |
| | | | Ya worthless 427! -- BB67FB, 04/12/2005
I think I would rather take it off his hands, heck i might even PAY for it! Where are you located Mike? |
| | | | | RE: Ya worthless 427! -- mike, 04/13/2005
I live in SW iowa |
| | | | |  | RE: Ya worthless 427! -- BB67FB, 04/13/2005
Hmmm, now you have me thinking. I live in Minnesota - kinda (I am in the navy, so physically I am in California right now, soon to be Japan!) Are you selling the 427? I am looking for one for my 67 mustang S code that currently has a 289 in it. I figure if I am going to go back to a FE, why not the sweetest FE ford made! let me know!
Nick |
| | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- mike, 04/13/2005
The 427 is stamped C7AE-A on block with date code 8K7 (Oct 7, 1968) The heads are stamped C5AE-F. The motor ran like a striped A__ ? It sounded real good and never smoked etc. It was rebuilt in 1994 when the rest of the car was restored. Does anyone know what the fair market value is ? I also have headers and exhaust that I will sell. |
| |  | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- BB67FB, 04/13/2005
Well, I know they are not cheap, thats for sure! I'm sure I am not helping out my cause any, but I just saw a side oiler block and crank on ebay end at a little over 1500bux - thats block and crank only, no pistons, heads intake, ect. What kind of intake does it have? I am not sure what kind of heads you have, but there has to be someone here who can tell you with those casting numbers - all that stuff will make a difference! I am hoping to find a short block, as I want to use aftermarket heads and intake, but if the if could just bolt it in and go, that would be pretty cool too! If you want to see what its worth honestly, watch ebay auctions and see what similar engines like yours go for - in my opinion thats where you can see the real value of stuff - its what people are PAYING, NOT what people are SAYING the stuff is worth! my .02
Nick |
| | | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- giacamo, 04/13/2005
the heads are 1965 medium risers |
| | | | Mike, paging Mike with the 427! -- BB67FB, 04/13/2005
Mike, I sent you a email!
nick |
| | | | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- walt, 04/16/2005
also the guy who said the the heads on a 67 gt 500 are the same as med risers,better go back to his books,the mr head was never introduced on the 428 pi,or cj |
| | | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- walt, 04/16/2005
isit drilled for hydralic lifters?and cross bolted?that casting number throw me off if it's a 427.the heads are med risers,tthe block casting falls more to the 428 pi,i'll have to check with my sources, |
| | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- walt, 04/16/2005
the right block would be a c6me,or a rare c7me, block,the cj block,or c8 me block came out in 681/2,also the heads were just the stock,66/67 390 gt's |
| | | RE: 1967 Shelby GT 500 -- walt, 04/16/2005
ps there were 3 sets of rods,c3ae-c,c6ae-c.c7ae-b,all the same,but all the rods had 2 different bolt sizes,either the standard small bolt.or the larger 19/32,used on the 390 hp/pi.428 pi/cj,early 427 |
| 390 Carb Spacer -- Trevor Korsrud, 04/11/2005
Does anyone know if there's a reproduction of the 67 390 GT carb spacer that goes between the intake and the stock Holley carb available? |
| | | RE: Sure is. -- Trevor Korsrud, 04/13/2005
I just heard back from Mansfield Mustang. They don't have the spacer in stock and don't know when they'll be getting more. Does anyone know of anyone else who stocks this spacer? |
| MSD Distributor for FE -- lucas, 04/11/2005
Looking for MSD or Mallory electronic dist.
for FE engine |
| | "Distributors" for $100, Alex. n/m -- Gerry Proctor, 04/11/2005
nm |
| | | RE: "Distributors" for $100, Alex. n/m -- Lucas, 04/11/2005
Send me an e-mail with more info, please.
Thanks
Lucas |
| | Mallory not recommended -- John, 04/12/2005
I don't recommend a Mallory distributor for the FE. I use one, but had to modify it and still don't trust it. Someday, I'll replace it. First of all the split-pin that holds the drive gear to the shaft is not heavy-duty enough, especially if you use a HV oil pump. It will shear....eventually. This leaves you and your prize possesion at the mercy of a tow-truck, or worse...temporarily abandoned. Second of all, the drive gear fit to the shaft is sloppy, so the pin fatigues overe time. This is part of the reason why it doen't fail right away. I modified mine by installing a larger split-pin with a smaller one inside....the pin-slots set 180 deg apart. Because of the sloppy gear to shaft fit, I think it will still eventually fail. I originally used a Mallory because I got a deal on it and I wanted a dual point distributor. Not as good as electronic, but easy to maintain (i.e. file points, etc.) I eventually spent about $70 and bought a Pertonix electronic unit for it and was amazed by the results. Somewhere in this forum, I think I detailed the procedure (drill sizes, split pin sizes, etc.) for the modification. Maybe try a "Search". Oh!...seems to me I remember hearing the Mallory electronic distributors had problems with the plastic electronic unit melting from engine heat...not sure if this was true. But I did receive a FAX from a Mallory rep stating that the pin had failed due to my HV oil pump, a much touted mod for a HP engine. |
| | | RE: Mallory not recommended -- walt, 04/24/2005
i agree,i pulled the mallory out of mine,put the stock 427 dp back in,was much happier,a new kit has came out that uses the stock rubbing block to convert to pointless ingnition |
| | | | Bad Mallory distributor -- Royce, 04/24/2005
After a couple of times having to walk to the pay phone, wait hours for a tow truck and then wait a week for a warranty replacement electronic sensor I got rid of the Mallory Unilite and bought a Pertronix for the stock distributor. Haven't had any trouble since.
Royce |
| | | | | That's why I keep the Mallory -- John, 04/26/2005
That's why I keep the Mallory....cuz I put a Pertronix unit in it to replace the dual points. |
| | | | | RE: Bad Mallory distributor -- Logan Bussard, 05/09/2006
I have a 68 cougar that im trying to get running, it has a unilite in it. It worked for about 5 minutes and then it stoped and I dont know any thing about it. It was New and set in the box since 1996 would that have any thing to do with it? I also need to know why my engine (302) times out to a 351m and i know it has a 302 cam, could it be the crank?
Also when it ran it idle very rough and shook like the motor mounts were bad. Every time i woud give it gas it would back fire and kill the motor. The motor is rebuilt with 0 miles on it any advice or knowlage would be of great help.
Thank you for your time in this matter.
Logan Bussard |
| | | | | | RE: Bad Mallory distributor -- powered by ford, 05/10/2006
didn't quite understand your part of times out to a 351m. Check your firing order. a 302 firing order is very different from a 351. Also, remember that a ford distributor turns counter- clockwise when running. Get that courgar Purring! |
| | | | | | | RE: Bad Mallory distributor -- gurney, 05/27/2006
Make sure your not 180 degrees off on distributer. My 67 coupe did the same thing till we found out we were off, then purred, fired first time every time for 6 years till i sold it. |
| correct part numbers for '69 390 install -- Ben, 04/10/2005
I am restoring a '69 Cougar XR7 convetible 390. I have located a correct intake, however I was wondering if anyone could help me out with the correct part numbers I need to look for. I am looking for a correct block and heads. Would a C6ME block be correct? |
| | RE: correct part numbers for '69 390 install -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
the c6me block falls into the years of the 69 390 block. |
| 427 Rod ID help SK 37119 -- BOSS429KK1708, 04/10/2005
"Need info"
I got a set of SK 37119 427 rods are these rare? Nascar? need histroy on these SK rods |
| | RE: 427 Rod ID help SK 37119 -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
are the rods .080 wider than the standerd rods? .080 at the crank wider?
[Edited for clarity by Admin.] |
| | | RE: 427 Rod ID help SK 37119 -- BOSS429KK1708, 04/11/2005
Hello and thanks for the help!
There 1/8 wider on the sides of the I beam than the 427 63 rods and the bolt area is longer on the SK rods there more thicker nice rods my dad wrote SK 427 rods on the box. he pased away last year just trying to figure things out. never seen SK rods even in Super Ford Lemans rod artical.
What is a nice worth? |
| | | | Wall hanger rods -- Royce Peterson, 04/12/2005
Those rods are like LeMans rods in that I would not put them in one of my motors unless they were brand new. Who would want a ticking time bomb in their motor? Those things might have won Daytona and Darlington already and been retired due to someone having good sense. The metal may be fatigued to the point of imminent failure.
Plus they need a different bearing and will only work with the SK 427 crankshaft due to their width. I say they are nice conversation pieces.
Plus they are way heavy. In my opinion a set of C7AE-B rods from grandma's 390 Galaxie with a new set of ARP bolts are a much wiser choice for any engine build of mine. If I was going over 6500 RPM a set of Eagle rods with the premium series ARP bolts would be the way to go.
Royce |
| | | | | RE: Wall hanger rods -- walt, 04/17/2005
have a 427 tunnel port with the c6ae-c rods with the C70E bolts put in,turns 8000,rpmno probs,just used to break vavle springs,slowing the motor down,7000 is good enough |
| | | | What they are worth -- Royce Peterson, 04/12/2005
Put them on Ebay and some idiot will buy them. If he has a similar counterpart bidding against him they might bring more money.
Royce |
| | | | RE: 427 Rod ID help SK 37119 -- giacamo, 04/12/2005
some one might have a use for them?if some one had a lemans nascar styal crank laying around with the widend journals thay would probly be happy to find a set, on a side note the cranks used for nascar wear widend for more bearing area to aliveate bearing failure. |
| | RE: 427 Rod ID help SK 37119 -- walt, 04/17/2005
i have several sets of 427 rods,never seen that forging number |
| Intake install problems -- Bob S., 04/09/2005
Installing an alluminum e-brock intake on a 73 351W. After installing the gaskets and RTV, just filling the motor with water, I get a leak on the front and back of the the passenger side of the intake at the point where the block, intake and head meets. It appears that the water jackets are leaking "around" the gasket and then obviously out of the motor. My last try, I applied RTV around the water jacket and then applied the gasket on top, with another bead of RTV before reinstalling the intake. I am letting the RTV setup overnight before trying to fill again. Anyone with any experience with this type of problem that could lend an idea or two would be appreciated. I used a straight edge to determine if I had any warp issues, and the intake appears to be straight.
Thanks again for any help on this one. |
| | RE: Intake install problems -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
check the intake holes. thay some times nead cleaned out and releaved a littel with a drill so the intake will draw down flush to the heads |
| small block and big block hurst shifters? -- BB67FB, 04/09/2005
so I am trying to find out what parts are different between the small block and big block installation kits for mustangs - hurst lists two separate kits, but the tailshafts were the same for both applications - im confused!!Any one have any experience with this? |
| | Big block setup is totlly different. -- Royce, 04/10/2005
Different rods, different mounting plate, everything except the shifter itself. The tranny sits in a different position on FE's. These guys can make a small block shifter into a big block or vice - versa:
http://www.perogie.com
Royce |
| | | Royce is right and you are wrong.... -- Hawkrod, 04/10/2005
The tailshaft housing on a big block is different than a small block even if they are both 28 spline output. The shifter mounting points on a big block trans are in a different spot and as Royce note the trans sits differently. Hawkrod |
| | | | RE: Royce is right and you are wrong.... -- BB67FB, 04/10/2005
man, I am confused - I dont know what transmission my car has - it came with a FE but has a 289 in it now. I took an educated guess and assumed that the toploader in there now is a small block one, and purchased a shifter and install kit accordingly. to add further to the frustration, my car is in minnesota and I am in California. I will only be able to enjoy my mustang for 3 weeks before I go to japan for two years, so I have been buying parts online for a while now - thanks for all the help, I just hope the install kit and shifter I purchsed will work! The hurst in it now is shot, but i dont know if its the shifter or the install kit stuff - linkages, ect. thanks again!
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| | | | | RE: Royce is right and you are wrong.... -- giacamo, 04/10/2005
the mustang has a diferent tail stock then the failane cyclone i dont realy see any diferent tail stocks for the mustang setup, big block or small block top loader i think uses the same hurst shifter. |
| | | | | | and you would be wrong too! -- Hawkrod, 04/11/2005
A big block Mustang uses a Fairlane tailshaft housing which is why it is different. Unfortunately the fairlane shifter mount is too far forward for a Mustang so Ford compensated for this by using a shifter adapter mounting plate that bolts to the trans and the shifter bolts to the plate. The small block tailshaft housing is a C4ZR-7A040-A and the big block one is a C7OR-7A040-A. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | Hawkrod - casting #'s from my tailshaft-BIG BLOCK? -- BB67FB, 04/11/2005
Hawkrod, these are the casting numbers i found on my tailshaft - looks almost identical to the numbers you put as a big block, but the two extra characters on the end is a difference. I have a 67 mustang that is a original 390 car, but someone put a small block in it before i bought it. I have been assuming that the transmission was a small block too, but now I am begining to wonder - i thought a big block transmission could not be used in a small block?
Nick |
| | | | | | | | OOPS! here are the #'S -- BB67FB, 04/11/2005
c7or-7a040-aw2 |
| | | | | | | | | Yup, you still have a big block trans.... -- Hawkrod, 04/11/2005
The W2 is not part of the actual number, I believe it signifies shift and plant. You can use a big block trans behind a smoll block no problem at all. In fact all Ford pickups were done that way and that is why you can do it. Trucks only came one way so when the 302 was added as an option the simply made a longer pilot bushing to allow the shorter big block input to work. It is putting a small block trans behind a big block that can get ugly if it interferes. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | | So, one more question -- BB67FB, 04/12/2005
The whole reason this started in the first place is that my car seems to jam up inbetween gears sometimes, and also doesnt seem to engage all the way at times too. It has a hurst shifter in it that was there when I bought it and it seemed pretty sloppy, so i decided that was most likely the problem, but then I began to wonder if maybe it had something to do with the linkages and bushings related to them, so i decided I would just buy a new shifter and a new install kit and pretty much garantee to solve the problem. The question I have is, what is more likely to be the problem - the shifter, or the stuff involving the install kit? I already have a small block install kit, but will buy the big block one if i need to. Thanks for all your help! |
| | | | | | | | | | | Sloppy shifter bushings / out of adjustment -- Royce Peterson, 04/12/2005
You need to rebuild the shifter. Parts are the same big or small block. I have no idea what an installation kit is.
Or maybe the shifter is just out of adjustment. Instructions are available from Hurst.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | | | Could also be the interlock pin. -- Gerry Proctor, 04/12/2005
This device is in the shift cam mechanisms and keeps the trans from being able to be shifted into two gears at once. But no point going into the trans until you get the other stuff, like the shifter, up to snuff. |
| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: Could also be the interlock pin.- HOPE NOT!! -- BB67FB, 04/12/2005
well, hopefully I wont have to get into the transmission, just replacing the shifter will hopefully cure the problem. Thanks to everyone for all their help!
Nick |
| | | | | RE: Royce is right and you are wrong.... -- giacamo, 04/12/2005
was the big block trans factury instaled with the tail stock without the adapter to make the failane tipe tailstock work asin the later tipe toploders in the 70,s |
| | | | | | Huh? -- Hawkrod, 04/12/2005
I am not sure what you are asking. I believe Ford used the Fairlane tailshaft housing on big block Mustangs to take advantage of the different style mount. The Fairlane housing had the shifter mount in the wrong spot so they added an adapter to allow the shifter to sit in the correct place. The stock big block shifter was also different due to the way it was mounted. They made the shift levers differently due to clearance. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | RE: Huh? -- BB67FB, 04/13/2005
Ahhh now a bit of clarity. I looked up the tailshaft number on a chart at a toploader site and it said for mustangs and fairlanes, big block and small block - I guess the small block part only applied to the fairlanes! |
| | | | | | | | Yes, the C7OR was used on a big or small block -- Hawkrod, 04/13/2005
In a Fairlane they used the same part for bog block or small block. In a Mustang they were different. C'mon, its a Ford, what did you expect? If you really want to get confused come over to teh Boss 302 forum and ask about the Drag Pack option! LOL (seriously, don't!). LOL Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Yes, the C7OR was used on a big or small block -- giacamo, 04/13/2005
to make things a littel simpler, i,v used eather tailstock housing that worked on eather trans for the mustang depending what shifter i had.if i had a smallblock trans shifter i,d use the small block tailstock even on the big block trans thay seam to interchange. i just wanted to know if thay came that way sometimes? |
| | | | | | | | | | Nope, they never came that way.... -- Hawkrod, 04/13/2005
Until 1970 they were different. You cannot just bolt a shifter on a big block trans as the mounts are too far forward, you have to have the adapter plate to put the shifter in the right spot. Did you know that the trans crossmember is different for a big block and small block too? Here is a big block shifter setup: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4538696084&category=34202&sspagename=WDVW note the adapter plate in the foreground that allows a Mustang shifter to be mounted on a Fairlane tailshaft housing. Also note that this is a correct big block shifter and you can tell by the picture of the backside of the linkage. On a big block shifter the inner shift lever is not flat like a smallblock, it actually bends towards the trans which is why the adapter plate is cut out rather than just a large flate plate. It is not my shifter but it sure looks like he has all the right stuff! Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | | | RE: Nope, they never came that way.... -- walt, 04/30/2005
that is to put the long box in a mustang.a stop gap measure till they came out with the short big in/big out,and motor mount #3 is constant(trans mount) in all the bodies,that where ALL the links,rods and kick downs measure to,the cross members may be slightly different,maybe i was just lucky in mix and match? |
| | | | | | | | | | | | No, you are very mistaken..... -- Hawkrod, 04/30/2005
That adapter is not for a long trans. It is used only on the short trans in a 67-69 Mustang or Cougar. It is used on both big output and small output trans but only behind a big block engine. I am surprised you are not familiar with the part as all big blocks Mustangs and Cougars had them from 1967 until 1969 (there are two different styles because the 69 shifter is different so Ford revised the part). The 1970's do not use them as Ford revised the tailshaft housing (D0ZR) and went to the Hurst shifter which had its own adapters for big block or small block. I suggest you may want to do some research and become familiar with these as they are nothing odd or special just part of how a big block car was built. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: Yes, the C7OR was used on a big or small block -- walt, 04/30/2005
the housings are the same,exceptfor the hp big blocks that had the big in/out shafts,1 3/8 compared to 1 1/16 |
| | | | | | | | RE: Huh? -- mike, 05/03/2005
I have a hurst shifter kit in my hands and it the shift rods kit for a b.b top loader and the prt number on it is 373-5587 |
| | | | | RE: Royce is right and you are wrong.... -- Andy T, 05/13/2005
I f you yank out the shifter and have no plans for it, I will buy it from you because I need the stick only.
Send me a price
Andy |
| | RE: small block and big block hurst shifters? -- walt, 04/30/2005
i have swapped transmissions between both big and small block mustangs,the only adaptor plate,i seen was on the factory supplied hurst cp shifter,of 69/70,big in out,or small in out,the long tail shaft galaxie box may have had a dif shifter ,but i have seen both long and shorts in the fairlanes,just dif length shafts |
| | | You must not have much experience with stock ones -- Hawkrod, 04/30/2005
If you have not seen the adapter plate that all 67-69 big block Mustangs and Cougars had I have to assume you have only worked on big blocks that had already been messed with as all original cars had one. Since small block and big block Mustangs and Cougars used different tail shaft housings this adapter was required. On a Torino or Fairlane the adapter was not required because they used the same tailshaft housing for small block and big block (except 31 spline outputs which used a modified version of teh same part). Here is another auction (not mine) that clearly shows the adapter right in the front middle: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4545419530 Hawkrod |
| | | | RE: You must not have much experience with stock ones -- walt, 04/30/2005
sorry,i got a few of the original ford shifters out of both big and small,and the long trans,they don't have any adaptors on them,just dif rods and levers,ihave pulled the adaptors out of the cj's and the boss 302's that had hurst shifters in them,the stock fords bolted right on the bosses on the tail housing,another example,took a 302 with a c4 auto out of a 68 cougar,put in a modified 351 w,installed the clucth ped from a 67 bb must,equalizer from 69 sb,65 289 hp 4 spd trans,(narrow bolt pattern)and used the ford shifter from the 390 67 mustang,also the rear end from it,put the short yoke on the rear that had the small block universals,so we didn't have to shorten the shaft,changed the front core support to the big block for the larger radiator,had to change the water pump to match the outlets on the rad,put the 67 bb trans in the boss 302,with the adaptor.the lunched his trans,until we could parts for it |
| | | | | I am not sure what your point is.... -- Hawkrod, 04/30/2005
You say you got shifters from original big blocks that didn't have adapters but but the big blocks all had the adapters originally so what you found could not be original. Ford specified the adapter for the big block because the tailshaft housing used in a big block is so much different from a small block. I am not really concerned with what you have found, I am only interested in what Ford did or intended to do originally and in the dozens of original cars I have had and hundreds I have judged (if not thousands) I have never found anything different that what the parts books call for which makes sense since they were so different with the lower trans mount and different shifter that not using the right parts could lead to all kinds of potential problems. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | RE: I am not sure what your point is.... -- walt, 04/30/2005
hawk ,as a matter of fact,i just went to the garage,and checked,i do have a big in and out with the adaptor,the fairlane box dosent.niether the 67 bb small in small out.but i have the original links for it,it came out of a totaled 67 must from a friend of mine |
| | | | | | | sorry Walt, I don't believe you.... -- Hawkrod, 04/30/2005
I do not why you persist in this. Please do some research before you continue to make erroneus posts. The 67 BB trans can not be original in the Mustang because the shifter cannot bolt up in the right spot without the adapter, If it could then Ford would have done it that way originally just becuase the bean counters would have required it. If somebody swapped the tailshaft housing at some point then it would bolt together but the shifter will not sit quite right and can rub a console because when you use a small block tailshaft housing on a big block trans the shifter sits too low by just enough to be an issue (it can rub without a console but it will almost always rub a console). Also note that the 1st and 2nd lever on the shifter will usually rub the tailshaft housing if you put a big block shifter on a small block tailshaft housing. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | RE: sorry Walt, I don't believe you.... -- walt, 04/30/2005
maybe he did swap something,i don't know,maybe you can explain this,was there a dif in the 70 429 scj box.i put one in my fairlane,with after market shifter.all fit,after thought,maybe explains why if fit the boss 302? |
| | | | | | | | | RE: sorry Walt, I don't believe you.... -- walt, 05/10/2005
ps on this,he got a 10 1/2 inch clutch,and disc,with a special made 1 3/8 in put 10 spline on the disc to use my tranny to fit his boss 302 |
| | | | | | | | RE: sorry Walt, I don't believe you.... -- walt, 05/02/2005
sorry i'm right,i have done a lot of trans swapsyou might know the numbers but i did the work |
| | | | | | | | | uh yeah, sure.... -- Hawkrod, 05/02/2005
Maybe you don't fully understand why I think your full of it Walt. At first I had to assume it was a lack of experience but now I know your just spewing it. I didn't get my experience from the books. I was a dealer mechanic when these were still being serviced. I currently have 4 big block cars but have owned a couple of dozen. I have had all 4 of the curent ones for more than 20 years. I am not new at this like you seem to be. I have been building and restoring big block cars since the 70's, long before most people had any interest in anything but driving the cars. Hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: uh yeah, sure.... -- walt, 05/03/2005
truce hawk,we do have difference on some things,i was and old street racer in detroit,had a few big blocks my self,and broke a few,we might disagree on things,but that is how people find things out,and learn, respect you for your convictions,and knowlege,i got out of street racing during th energy crunch,(73-74)also too many a holes were out on the roads,so i retired to putting other people's motors/cars together,left mine by the way side,i gave my car to my boy,are now in the process of putting the fairlane together,the other boy is starting to work on the 67 mustang,s code.390.428cj,427,he hasen't decided,what to put in yet,i was suprised how many engines,tranny's,rears i had,most were the big in out,and almost all N cases,dif ratios,i had put all that stuff in the corner for years,and since the boys lost they're mom,they turned on to me to get some of the stuff back on the road,sorry if i offended you |
| | | | | | | | | | | The Hawkrod knows his sh$t -- Geoff McNew, 05/03/2005
I own a '69 Mach 1 428-SCJ #9R02R132xxx with the correct (and rare...CJ & Boss 429) RUG-AE2 1-3/8" 10-spine toploader, and correct C70R-7A040-A 14" 31 spline tailshaft housing, and trust me, sport, it has a nice 1/2" fat triangular steel spacer with radiused corners to mount the shifter.
David Kee did his full road race build on it, and he can probably settle any pissing contests re: Toploaders
http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/tailhousingid.htm |
| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: The Hawkrod knows his sh$t -- walt, 05/03/2005
ty for the site,but all i meant that the stock 390 mustang short box used the stock ford shifter,then i get bombared by the long box tranny's,that i was full of it,i know the cj's and some bosses had the adaptors,for hurst links and maybe some other links,i got 4 of them cj trannies for the mustangwith the hurst (WITH ADAPTORS)igot a mule 390box that i use if some broke a tranny(smal in/out)and the 66 428 long box |
| | | | | Of course, all the OEM adapters were non-integral. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
n/m |
| | | | | Besides, what's 'right' for racers is 'what works'. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
n/m |
| | | | RE: You must not have much experience with stock ones -- walt, 05/02/2005
read my post on previous note |
| | | | Well, sure - I mean, that's the hallmark of true racers. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
n/m |
| | | | RE: You must not have much experience with stock ones -- walt, 05/10/2005
what is the difference between the gear case.tail housing on the small in/small out betwen a small blocck and a big block? mustang box?,can some one explain? |
| | | | | Look at the pictures in the link below -- Hawkrod, 05/10/2005
Geoff was kind enough to provide the link to David Kee Toploaders ID page (David Kee is one of if not the foremost toploader rebuilder and manufacturer (yes, he does make them too). The C4ZR is a small block and the C7OR is the big block. The C7OR is used on 28 and 31 spline big blocks but they are machined different for the larger shaft. Hawkrod |
| | | RE: Tailhousing ID Chart & Pics -- walt, 05/12/2005
i do have a problem with this site,the tail housings have the same part number on the different out puts on some of the tranny's(shaft size) |
| | | | Yes, they do have the same numbers for some apps.. -- Hawkrod, 05/13/2005
The parts were the same casting and then were just machined differently. You can take a C7OR Fairlane 28 spline tailshaft and bore the rear bushing hole larger and make it into a C7OR Mustang 31 spline tailshaft housing. Same thing with 70 Mustangs, they all used the D0ZR housing but they were machined two different ways. The problem is you are confusing a part number with a casting number. The part number is the number Ford applied to the finished product, the engineering or casting number is the number on the item that identifies the basic part before finish. Another good example of this is 66-69 GT heads. They can have a casting numbers of C6AE-R C7AE-A or C8AE-H (short list) but not all heads with these numbers are GT heads because they were drilled differently for 8 or 14 exhaust bolts. As far as part numbers for these heads, you don't want to see the list, there are at least a dozen part numbers that are applied to the C8AE-H head alone. The numbers were different based on whether or not it had smog ports drilled, which exhaust pattern was drilled and even which valve springs were installed but they all still have the C8AE-H casting number and as we know they are not all directly interchangeable without modification. Hawkrod |
| | | | | RE: Yes, they do have the same numbers for some apps.. -- walt, 05/13/2005
ty for setting me striaght on that.i do appreciate that infoand i also know where to buy some inputs,and outputs that needed replacement,have a good day walt |
| fairlane headers -- Eddie McManus, 04/09/2005
A question for the experts....How similar are the Fairlane engine compartments to the Galaxie engine compartments? Sanderson Headers has some headers that will work for a 390 Galaxie but are not sure if they will fit in a Fairlane. Just looking for alternative parts that may benefit us all. Thanks for your time. |
| | RE: No similarities at all. -- Gerry Proctor, 04/11/2005
Don't even think about it. It's the quickest path to heartbreak and a thinner wallet from non-returnable parts.
Good Fairlane FE headers are not hard to come by. Depending on what heads you're using, Hooker and the normal suspects have appropriate headers. FPA also sells headers for both exhaust port flanges. |
| | | RE: No similarities at all. -- Eddie McManus, 04/11/2005
Thank you for the advice and the help. Ed |
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