Original Message
RE: Ford's database claims the 1967s are "S" code
By Kevin Marti - 01/04/2002 11:01:12 AM; IP 172.175.171.58
This is a common confusion because of a lack of understanding about standard Ford production methods. For each car line, the engineering department determines and the data processing department codes what engines will be available for the car line at the beginning of the model year. In the case of the Mustang, the 428PI engine was not available for that car, although it was an available engine for other car lines. In order to produce a Mustang (Shelby) with a 428PI engine, a DSO (Domestic Special Order) had to be written.

Quoting from the Ford Automotive Assembly Division Data Processing Manual for 1967, "Special Order Number Note: When these columns (the DSO) are punched, there must be a punch in column 80. When the special equipment specified on a DSO or FSO is one of the basic items, i.e. series, body and/or engine, the item will be punched..."

What this means is since the P or Q engine was not available for the Mustang under ordinary conditions, a DSO had to be generated. This DSO was about 11 pages long and contained notes about what items to delete (in this case the 390 engine amongst a host of other items like the front fenders and hood) and what items to add (amongst them the 428PI engine). Since the column for the engine (column 5 of the IBM punch card) must be punched with something, they made a decision to put the nearest appropriate engine code (an S) in this place. It is a place holder required by the programming system. It means nothing other than that. Whenever there is a DSO, it superseded all other punches for production.

Once the order arrived at the assembly plant (in this case San Jose), the assembly plant manager made a decision to insert the "Q" in the serial number to be stamped into the fender aprons. Since this operation was performed manually, it would not be prohibited by the system. But note that the actual motors installed were not even Q motors, but P motors.

I hope this gives a little insight into why things were the way they were.

Kevin Marti
www.martiauto.com

This thread, so far...
Skip Navigation Links.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10260&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10260" onclick="return false;">Is it an "S", "P" or "Q" Code??</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>12/29/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10260',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10260')
});
</script>
 Is it an "S", "P" or "Q" Code?? -- Bob, 12/29/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10266&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10266" onclick="return false;">It's an "S".</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>12/29/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10266',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10266')
});
</script>
 It's an "S". -- Dave Shoe, 12/29/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10287&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10287" onclick="return false;">No "S" in 67 vin's Dave...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>12/30/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10287',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10287')
});
</script>
 No "S" in 67 vin's Dave... -- kevin, 12/30/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10301&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10301" onclick="return false;">RE: No "S" in 67 vin's Dave...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chip Huffman, <i>12/30/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10301',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10301')
});
</script>
 RE: No "S" in 67 vin's Dave... -- Chip Huffman, 12/30/2001
 '67 cars had 'anti wind-up' bumpers at rear springs. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/30/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10302&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10302" onclick="return false;">RE: So what is a '67 GT500 vin?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>12/30/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10302',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10302')
});
</script>
 RE: So what is a '67 GT500 vin? -- Mike McQuesten, 12/30/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10308&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10308" onclick="return false;">RE: So what is a '67 GT500 vin?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chip Huffman, <i>12/30/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10308',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10308')
});
</script>
 RE: So what is a '67 GT500 vin? -- Chip Huffman, 12/30/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10312&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10312" onclick="return false;">RE: So what is a '67 GT500 vin?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>12/31/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10312',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10312')
});
</script>
 RE: So what is a '67 GT500 vin? -- Mike McQuesten, 12/31/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10315&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10315" onclick="return false;">No "S" under the plate either Mike...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>12/31/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10315',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10315')
});
</script>
 No "S" under the plate either Mike... -- kevin, 12/31/2001
 Shelbys Lessons -- Chip Huffman, 12/31/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10268&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10268" onclick="return false;">RE: Is it an "S", "P" or "Q" Code??</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>12/29/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10268',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10268')
});
</script>
 RE: Is it an "S", "P" or "Q" Code?? -- Royce Peterson, 12/29/2001
 "S" as in 8T02S149561-01854 -- Chip Huffman, 12/29/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10405&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10405" onclick="return false;">RE: Is it an "S", "P" or "Q" Code??</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven Locher, <i>01/03/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10405',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10405')
});
</script>
 RE: Is it an "S", "P" or "Q" Code?? -- Steven Locher, 01/03/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10407&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10407" onclick="return false;">Ford's database claims the 1967s are "S" code</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/04/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10407',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10407')
});
</script>
 Ford's database claims the 1967s are "S" code -- Dave Shoe, 01/04/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10410&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10410" onclick="return false;">RE: Ford's database claims the 1967s are "S" code</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven Locher, <i>01/04/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10410',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10410')
});
</script>
 RE: Ford's database claims the 1967s are "S" code -- Steven Locher, 01/04/2002
RE: Ford's database claims the 1967s are "S" code -- Kevin Marti, 01/04/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10427&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10427" onclick="return false;">No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/04/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10427',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10427')
});
</script>
 No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate.. -- kevin, 01/04/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10428&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10428" onclick="return false;">RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven Locher, <i>01/04/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10428',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10428')
});
</script>
 RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate.. -- Steven Locher, 01/04/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10439&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10439" onclick="return false;">RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/05/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10439',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10439')
});
</script>
 RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate.. -- kevin, 01/05/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10441&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10441" onclick="return false;">RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven Locher, <i>01/05/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10441',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10441')
});
</script>
 RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate.. -- Steven Locher, 01/05/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10447&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10447" onclick="return false;">RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joe P, <i>01/05/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10447',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10447')
});
</script>
 RE: No "Z" or "S" or "Q" in my fenders or data plate.. -- Joe P, 01/05/2002
 Verify what?..The trans is original.. -- kevin, 01/05/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10449&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10449" onclick="return false;">RE: Glad I'm not the only one, Kevin!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Rich Kutzner, <i>01/05/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10449',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10449')
});
</script>
 RE: Glad I'm not the only one, Kevin! -- Rich Kutzner, 01/05/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10451&Reply=10260><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10451" onclick="return false;">Thanks Rich! you know how I feel...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/05/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
new HelpBalloon({
dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10451',
contentMargin: 60,
icon: $('anchor10451')
});
</script>
 Thanks Rich! you know how I feel... -- kevin, 01/05/2002
 I got twice the problem ! -- Rich Kutzner, 01/06/2002
Post A Response
Name:
Email Address:
Subject:
Post:
Upload Image:
Human Check:   Enter the code 2024103737 in the box