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funny blocks and other odds and ends.
By hawkrod - 01/13/2002 1:37:17 AM; IP 198.81.17.28
all i can say is WOW! i just stumbled on this forum tonight and was looking around and saw this post and the other about a C6 block with the A on the back and started reading as i have an odd motor in my garage and lo and behold i saw my name referenced in one of the posts! what a small world we live in. i will have to agree i have never found a documented original GTE with anything but a 4 bolt block but since i am very aware that odd things happen (i'll get to that in a minute) i will never say never with any degree of certainty. i will say i believe ford INTENDED the GTE to have crossbolts. now that being said i saw an NOS C8WZ 427 engine assembly on a pallet that was not crossbolted but had screw in plugs but it had a 71 date code. i have seen several marine engines (i live on the pacific and we have fishing fleets here) that were supposed to be 427's that were not crossbolted (and i never checked now i am wondering). and to muddy the waters i have in my possesion the oddest 428 i have ever seen. in 1988 i was down rumaging auto wreckers along the mexican border in the imperial valley california. the first great find of the day was a 63 mercury squire wagon with an unmolested P code engine (390 police solid lifter)! the 390 was so virgin that it still had original plug wires! then i spotted a q code 67 bird and grabbed the shortblock. the wrecker pulled the engines and i went back to pick them up and got the shock of my life. the 428 had bolts on the side and the 427 mark in the back as well as the undrilled oil passage. i popped the pan and it was crossbolted and had PI rods. the block is dated jan 67 and is a C7ME block and has a big P on the back (i assume police?) it does not have screw in plugs but after seeing the pics i have to go pull a plug and see how close the cylinders are (might need a visit to a boring bar now!) i figure it was cast with 427 cores and was going down the line somebody saw the bosses and drilled them and then somebody else saw the holes and slapped caps on it and.... who knows how many beers they had that day at lunch. i saved it as the basis of a race motor for my CJ cougar although i have often thought of selling it to a shelby guy because of the 67 date code. my next thought is although these must be rare (i have only heard reliable reports of a couple of others) how many of these blocks found their way into shelbys to spawn the myth of 427 GT-500's? you see bolts outside you assume 427 inside right? well i hope this doesn't start my dining a'la black fowl but i am glad i found this place. tom cherry AKA hawkrod
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10512&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10512" onclick="return false;">This is what a non-crossbolted 427 looks like:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10512', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10512') }); </script>  This is what a non-crossbolted 427 looks like: -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10513&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10513" onclick="return false;">The drill bit is a snug fitting 1/8"</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10513', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10513') }); </script>  The drill bit is a snug fitting 1/8" -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10518&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10518" onclick="return false;">This is part of Davy Gurley's collection.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10518', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10518') }); </script>  This is part of Davy Gurley's collection. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10519&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10519" onclick="return false;">Note the six undrilled crossbolt bosses.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10519', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10519') }); </script>  Note the six undrilled crossbolt bosses. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10520&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10520" onclick="return false;">And the snug fit between the cylinder jackets.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10520', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10520') }); </script>  And the snug fit between the cylinder jackets. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10521&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10521" onclick="return false;">Are what make this block the real deal.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10521', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10521') }); </script>  Are what make this block the real deal. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10531&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10531" onclick="return false;">Uhhhh Ohhhhhh, time to bake some crow ! :-)</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10531', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10531') }); </script>  Uhhhh Ohhhhhh, time to bake some crow ! :-) -- P, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10534&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10534" onclick="return false;">Caw. Caw. Ha. Ha.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10534', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10534') }); </script>  Caw. Caw. Ha. Ha. -- kevin, 01/08/2002
 427 2-bolt mains -- Travis Miller, 01/08/2002
 427 Mustang is an urban legend... -- Dan Davis, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10550&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10550" onclick="return false;">No passenger car came with one. Numbers Please!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10550', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10550') }); </script>  No passenger car came with one. Numbers Please! -- Royce Peterson, 01/08/2002
 It tastes like chicken.......... :-) ........n/m -- P, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10553&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10553" onclick="return false;">I believe two to six GT-E Cougars did.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10553', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10553') }); </script>  I believe two to six GT-E Cougars did. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10555&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10555" onclick="return false;">What about numbers on the block?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10555', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10555') }); </script>  What about numbers on the block? -- Royce Peterson, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10564&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10564" onclick="return false;">I dont know Dave...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/09/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10564', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10564') }); </script>  I dont know Dave... -- kevin, 01/09/2002
 Date codes are pending. -- Dave Shoe, 01/09/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10576&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10576" onclick="return false;">Good stuff Dave</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>01/09/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10576', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10576') }); </script>  Good stuff Dave -- P, 01/09/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10600&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10600" onclick="return false;">RE: Good stuff Dave</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Davy Gurley, <i>01/10/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10600', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10600') }); </script>  RE: Good stuff Dave -- Davy Gurley, 01/10/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10610&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10610" onclick="return false;">Crow</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>01/11/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10610', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10610') }); </script>  Crow -- P, 01/11/2002
 RE: Crow -- R Shannon, 01/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10644&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10644" onclick="return false;">RE: Crow</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Davy Gurley, <i>01/11/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10644', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10644') }); </script>  RE: Crow -- Davy Gurley, 01/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10651&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10651" onclick="return false;">RE: Crow</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>01/11/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10651', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10651') }); </script>  RE: Crow -- Bob, 01/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10655&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10655" onclick="return false;">Raven's watchful eye...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10655', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10655') }); </script>  Raven's watchful eye... -- kevin, 01/12/2002
 Question about your 428. -- Dave Shoe, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10656&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10656" onclick="return false;">Dave, stick with the facts.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10656', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10656') }); </script>  Dave, stick with the facts. -- Royce Peterson, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10662&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10662" onclick="return false;">If I only posted facts, I'd rarely ever post.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10662', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10662') }); </script>  If I only posted facts, I'd rarely ever post. -- Dave Shoe, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10666&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10666" onclick="return false;">Opinions should be based on fact to be respected.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10666', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10666') }); </script>  Opinions should be based on fact to be respected. -- Royce Peterson, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10670&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10670" onclick="return false;">Shoe, that motorhome block....</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10670', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10670') }); </script>  Shoe, that motorhome block.... -- kevin, 01/12/2002
Collapse <b>funny blocks and other odds and ends.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>01/13/2002</i></font>funny blocks and other odds and ends. -- hawkrod, 01/13/2002
 RE: funny blocks and other odds and ends. -- Davy Gurley, 01/13/2002
 Welcome, Tom - interesting info. Got any photos? [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/13/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10516&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10516" onclick="return false;">And the close proximity of the water jackets.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10516', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10516') }); </script>  And the close proximity of the water jackets. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
 Are what make this block the real deal. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
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