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RE: I concur..
By McQ - 10/30/2003 6:50:18 PM; IP 209.19.180.126
Your 14.78/97mph is excellent for a 3,900 lb. + drop-top. And with the original -S- iron intake!

That correlates closely to my '66 GTA when it was bone stock. I ran it nearly brand new at what was then called Kent Pacific Raceways(I think it's Seattle International Raceway now) and it turned a 15.00/97 or 98 mph. This was on very skinny 7.75 x 14" Goodyear Power Cushion bia plys which were the original tires. It was a big day for me. The Fairlane had under 2,000 miles on it. My first run was against a '65 442. Easy win. Second run was another 442 but a '66. Another easy win. Oh this was in a Pure Stock class which was packed that day with at least twenty cars, all of which were '65 - '66 mid size/big blocks. We weren't calling them "Muscle Cars" yet. My 3rd run was against a '65 Goat with tri power/4 speed. In pure stock they lumped sticks and automatics together. I had the Poncho out of the hole but at about 1/8 of the qaurter he pulled up and away. His 360 horses of tri powered 389 was too much for my 390GT.

But there was another 390GT Fairlane there that summer day of '66. I remember it well. Black with Cali plates. Driven in. Four or Five guys in the car. A little prep work in the pits disconnecting the headers that I think were Belanger, and it was a 4 speed too. Slicks on wheels out of the trunk. Bumper jacked up and that switch was made. This car ran very well in the low 13's/low low 100s. He made it all the way to the final trophy round against Pete Kost's '66 tri powered 442. Kost is a Nortwest Oldsmobile legend. Pete's Olds put the 'lane away that day.

As I'm clicking this out I start to remember why I bought a '66 GTA in the first place. It was Yakima< WA's Jerry Pruitt running a very well prepped '66 GTA for Valley Ford Sales. Jerry cc'd the heads, did some bearing clearance work, Belanger headers, 4.56s, deleted radio, heater and as much under carpet insulation as possible. He actually broke into the high 12's with this car.

It was Jerry's tuning work on my Holley 600 and some re curving of the distributor that allowed my GTA to dip into a 14.9 range. I was elated with 14.9s at that time.

So here's my personal summary: The 390GT is a good all around package. We Ford guys needed just one reasonable option up Performance wise. I'd say the '61/'62 tri power package with a little hotter cam would have done the trick.

The CJ 428 was the blessing we'd been waiting for. The Tasca Ford guys showed Ford how to do it with existing parts. It was reasonably inexpensive to produce so it could be sold competitively. The 427 just could not be sold competitively and make any money.

Again I hate to agree but GM really had it engineered with the LS6. They are just plain brutal. They can be beaten but it takes a lot of detail preparation and a great driver. And an inexperienced poor driver going sideways or up-in-smoke in the LS6.

Thanks guys for allowing me to go on with this. When it comes to sticking up for the FE I can get going way too long.
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 Honestly, how did the 428 CJ compare -- blinker, 10/29/2003
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 RE: great story and I learned that..... -- McQ, 10/30/2003
 Was there any new engineering in the 428 CJ -- blinker, 10/30/2003
 That was great! Thanks for the insight. n/m -- Bill, 10/30/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=18965&Reply=18955><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor18965" onclick="return false;">I concur..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Don, <i>10/30/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 I concur.. -- Don, 10/30/2003
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 RE: could the mighty 427 take a LS6? -- McQ, 10/30/2003
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 RE:A 13.7 Subaru?!! -- McQ, 10/31/2003
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 RE:A 13.7 Subaru?!! -- blinker, 10/31/2003
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 RE:thanks and.... -- McQ, 11/01/2003
 RE:know=NO -- McQ, 11/01/2003
 one good thing, you can buy a new Cobra cheaper -- blinker, 11/01/2003
 Glad you post here, sir. I enjoy your stories. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/01/2003
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 RE: Here's what Subaru claims.... -- Geoff McNew, 11/10/2003
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 RE:the facts....as I see 'em -- mike, 10/30/2003
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 RE:the facts....as I see 'em -- mike, 10/30/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=18971&Reply=18955><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor18971" onclick="return false;">Great info guys! My 390 GT times</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gary Adam, <i>10/30/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Great info guys! My 390 GT times -- Gary Adam, 10/30/2003
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 Something for the "boat anchor" types... -- richard, 11/01/2003
 RE:Great 390 info! -- McQ, 11/02/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19009&Reply=18955><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19009" onclick="return false;">heres the 600HP WITH 32, YES 32 MPG 390</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/02/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 heres the 600HP WITH 32, YES 32 MPG 390 -- blinker, 11/02/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19010&Reply=18955><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19010" onclick="return false;">...theres a whole lot more to the article,</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/02/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 ...theres a whole lot more to the article, -- blinker, 11/02/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19019&Reply=18955><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19019" onclick="return false;">Thanks - I added the link to your original post. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Thanks - I added the link to your original post. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/03/2003
 RE: Thanks - I added the link to your original post. [n/m] -- BarryMcLarty, 11/06/2003
 RE:the facts.... -- P, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=18984&Reply=18955><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor18984" onclick="return false;">RE: Honestly, how did the 428 CJ compare</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>ford429cjlover, <i>10/31/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: Honestly, how did the 428 CJ compare -- ford429cjlover, 10/31/2003
 RE: Honestly, how did the 428 CJ compare -- Geoff McNew, 11/05/2003
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