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RE: Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m]
By P - 11/04/2003 5:28:08 PM; IP 66.89.75.42
GM had a torqy motor and a 4-speed transmission in a lighter weight car.

GM had the wisdom to build a car for the streets. Ford was busy satisfying his own ego by wiping the racetracks of the world with his FE. Ford only got into drag racing in a casual way. Yes, they did spend money, but generally only on the Cammer after it was banned by Nascar, and then that was very short lived.

GM in the meantime, had a "409" with 425-advertized horsepower and it did make a hit on the streets and on the drag strips. It was a combination of good power, good transmission, and lighter weight. Ford in the interim, was building a "racing-only" series of FE motors called the 406 and 427, and these were ONLY released on the streets to satisfy the NASCAR requirements. Without that, I doubt if we would have seen many of them, or any of the Boss 429 Shotguns either. Yes, once they got into mandatory production, Ford did make a relative bunch of em, and I'm really interested in how many.

The 409 was a carry over from the 348, which was badly trounced by the 352. It was just a less effective engine design than the FE was. When the FE was able to be bored out to 406 and then 425 (427) cubes, it was OVER for the heavy obsolete GM boat anchor.

P
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19022&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19022" onclick="return false;">Production numbers for the 427</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19022', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19022') }); </script>  Production numbers for the 427 -- P, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19024&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19024" onclick="return false;">a breakdown by type would be great</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19024', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19024') }); </script>  a breakdown by type would be great -- blinker, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19028&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19028" onclick="return false;">You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19028', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19028') }); </script>  You are comparing apples and oranges -- Lou, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19033&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19033" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19033', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19033') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- hawkrod, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19035&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19035" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19035', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19035') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- blinker, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19036&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19036" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19036', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19036') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- hawkrod, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19038&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19038" onclick="return false;">RE:in defense of Lou</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19038', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19038') }); </script>  RE:in defense of Lou -- McQ, 11/04/2003
 The 409 boat anchor was a PLANK HEAD motor -- P, 11/04/2003
 RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19043&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19043" onclick="return false;">GM had great drivers, too: Dyno Don, Ron Sox, M. Durham, etc. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19043', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19043') }); </script>  GM had great drivers, too: Dyno Don, Ron Sox, M. Durham, etc. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19052&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19052" onclick="return false;">Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy !</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19052', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19052') }); </script>  Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy ! -- P, 11/04/2003
 RE: Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy ! -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19059&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19059" onclick="return false;">He drove 409 A/FX Chevs, through 1963. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19059', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19059') }); </script>  He drove 409 A/FX Chevs, through 1963. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19065&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19065" onclick="return false;">Thaanx for the info, learn something every day!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19065', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19065') }); </script>  Thaanx for the info, learn something every day! -- P, 11/05/2003
 Ford really wanted the '64 A/FX Comets to do well. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/05/2003
 AMC's S/S AMX faster than the T-BOLT? -- blinker, 11/07/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19042&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19042" onclick="return false;">Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19042', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19042') }); </script>  Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
RE: Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m] -- P, 11/04/2003
 Take a peek at the 409 NASCAR history -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19047&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19047" onclick="return false;">You may be right</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19047', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19047') }); </script>  You may be right -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19054&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19054" onclick="return false;">In my own defense:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19054', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19054') }); </script>  In my own defense: -- Lou, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19055&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19055" onclick="return false;">Note about the 426 Hemis:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19055', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19055') }); </script>  Note about the 426 Hemis: -- Lou, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19063&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19063" onclick="return false;">RE: Note about the 426</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19063', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19063') }); </script>  RE: Note about the 426 -- P, 11/05/2003
 RE: Note about the 426 -- P, 11/05/2003
 You speak well in your own defense, Lou -- P, 11/05/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19070&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19070" onclick="return false;">RE: Production numbers for the 427</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19070', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19070') }); </script>  RE: Production numbers for the 427 -- Travis Miller, 11/05/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19071&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19071" onclick="return false;">if the SOHC hadn't been factored to death</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19071', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19071') }); </script>  if the SOHC hadn't been factored to death -- blinker, 11/05/2003
 what was happening on the track meant -- Lou, 11/05/2003
 Very interesting, thanks! -- P, 11/05/2003
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