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I thought RETARDING the timing raised temp's
By Walker - 06/03/2004 1:50:29 PM; IP 216.159.232.26
Don't quite get advancing timing to increase temperatures.

If this is true about cold engines running better with SOOOOOOOO much additional initial advance, why didn't the manufacturers build in some sort of temp-based advance mechanism into distributors...a thermocouple or something inserted into the coolant, something. We're talking adding more than 50% more timing during cold operation here.

Don't know about Alpha-n or datastreams. I do get to datalog engine status during operations, and can view the engine's operating status real-time by leaving the laptop open on the passenger seat. No converters, it does us O2 sensors though, and I get the idea that they need to get up to operating temps quickly, but still not fully buying the idea that advancing the timing will raise the engine's operating temperature.

Is there a link or article somewhere that someone could point me to that would address these kind of issues in more depth?

Thanks
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21694&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21694" onclick="return false;">More questions on timing...not answered below</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walker, <i>06/02/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21694', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21694') }); </script>  More questions on timing...not answered below -- Walker, 06/02/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21698&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21698" onclick="return false;">RE: More questions on timing...not answered below</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21698', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21698') }); </script>  RE: More questions on timing...not answered below -- Gerry Proctor, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21700&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21700" onclick="return false;">Why: it's DIS, so 'vacuum advance' is now MAP adv</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walker, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21700', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21700') }); </script>  Why: it's DIS, so 'vacuum advance' is now MAP adv -- Walker, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21701&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21701" onclick="return false;">RE: Why: it's DIS, so 'vacuum advance' is now MAP adv</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21701', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21701') }); </script>  RE: Why: it's DIS, so 'vacuum advance' is now MAP adv -- Gerry Proctor, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21702&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21702" onclick="return false;">But at STARTUP? need some explanation/theory</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walker, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21702', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21702') }); </script>  But at STARTUP? need some explanation/theory -- Walker, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21703&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21703" onclick="return false;">RE: Now it gets complicated.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21703', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21703') }); </script>  RE: Now it gets complicated. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/03/2004
Collapse <b>I thought RETARDING the timing raised temp's</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walker, <i>06/03/2004</i></font>I thought RETARDING the timing raised temp's -- Walker, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21705&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21705" onclick="return false;">RE: We're working many different things.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21705', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21705') }); </script>  RE: We're working many different things. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21706&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21706" onclick="return false;">Still looking for theory on advance timing.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walker, <i>06/03/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21706', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21706') }); </script>  Still looking for theory on advance timing. -- Walker, 06/03/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21712&Reply=21694><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor21712" onclick="return false;">RE: Still looking for theory on advance timing.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/04/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=21712', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor21712') }); </script>  RE: Still looking for theory on advance timing. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/04/2004
 I was surprising myself every new cold day... -- Walker, 06/04/2004
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