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RE: check this one out
By McQ - 08/11/2004 4:36:35 PM; IP 63.191.225.72
Finally got the 9/04 Hemmings Muscle Machines this morning. Excellent article on a '61 HP 390. I couldn't find anything to disagree with or complain about. That's not often the case with article regarding the early HP FE's. So many errors regularly. Not this one. All was as it was with some interesting new things like the possibility of the tri power being factory installed in late '61. I'm skeptical about that but it's still possible. And the info about the early 4 speed installations having a cobbled up steering column....that may have meant just a plug was used where the column shift had been. I know later Ford floor shift conversion kits came with a '62 standard Ford dummy shift tube.

And it's a fact that all '61 HP cars either 375 or 401 horse were -Z- codes. The -M- code was a '62 early Ford with 401 horse 390, just prior to the 406 availablilty.

It's very interesting that the author cites Les Ritchey's time at the Winternationals '61, 13.33 @ 105.5. Not too bad for a full size Galaxie that was pretty close to stock. An October, '61, feature in Car Craft has a stock HP/401 '61 with three speed column sift, home made headers and Atlas Butron street tires running a best of 13.24 @ 107.18. That's with a driver who was not too adept with the column shifter. And we local FE fans are real proud of Spokane, WA's own Potter Brothers who gained a NHRA National Super Stock Record with an HP/401 Starliner, 3-speed, 13.1 E.T. and the mph I can't remember at the moment but it was in the low hundreds. Here's what was trick about that car, it had a Falcon rear bumper bolted to the front of the '61 'liner! That met the NHRA requirement that Super Stock cars of that time have a front bumper.

Thanks again blinker for bringing the Hemmings article and the link to another great '61 HP story to our attention. Should be interesting reading to all fans of the mighty FE.

Oh and it should be interesting to note how easily these early HP Galaxies of '60 and '61 so easily ran in the 14's in showroom condition. A lot quicker than our vaunted '66 - '68 390GT(often mislabled as High Performance 390) ever could. Why couldn't FoMoCo have taken the cues from the HP 390 and added just one engine option up over the 390GT? It would have made our Fairlanes/Mustangs/Cougars so much more interesting to drive for those of us who were trying to keep up with the GM/Mopar drivers.
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 FE vs. 427W -- McQ, 08/11/2004
 '61 Starliner was a 375hp originally -- blinker, 08/11/2004
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 check this one out -- blinker, 08/11/2004
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 RE: Ford did offer an engine upgrade.. -- Barry McLarty, 08/12/2004
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 RE: Ford did offer an engine upgrade.. -- McQ, 08/12/2004
 McQ was pretty close . . . -- Orin, 08/17/2004
 RE: Fairlane Stainless Clips. -- mark, 05/04/2006
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22414&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22414" onclick="return false;">In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/12/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/12/2004
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 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi -- McQ, 08/13/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22430&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22430" onclick="return false;">Just FYI: '67 427 option was ~$1300. And I was 12. ;-) [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Just FYI: '67 427 option was ~$1300. And I was 12. ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/14/2004
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 Yep - the big 5-0 has finally caught me. ::LOL:: [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
 RE: Just FYI: '67 427 option was ~$1300. And I was 12. ;-) [n/m] -- walt, 04/27/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22431&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22431" onclick="return false;">MSRP of 427 was ~$1125 + 4-speed was priced sep. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 MSRP of 427 was ~$1125 + 4-speed was priced sep. [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/14/2004
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 RE:Thank you for showing me the errors in my way -- McQ, 08/14/2004
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 RE:A few more facts on that "upgrade" -- McQ, 08/14/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22435&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22435" onclick="return false;">I have a 67 Armchair price guide</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 I have a 67 Armchair price guide -- Lou, 08/14/2004
 I have original dealer pricing sheets. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/15/2004
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 Police car option was 428, not 427. -- Royce, 08/15/2004
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 RE: What model year were those cars? -- Uberty's Auto Wrecking, 08/17/2004
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 OK, If you say so !! -- Uberty's Auto wrecking, 08/18/2004
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 RE: OK, If you say so !! -- Tony P., 08/18/2004
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 RE: OK, If you say so !! -- Tony P., 08/18/2004
 1967 Shelby's not germane. Ford admitted error... -- Mr F, 08/18/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22502&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22502" onclick="return false;">The Feds got into it in 1968.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>08/19/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 The Feds got into it in 1968. -- Dave Shoe, 08/19/2004
 Shoe, I understand what you are saying -- Lou, 08/19/2004
 RE: Impossible. -- ford429cjlover, 08/19/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24871&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24871" onclick="return false;">RE: Impossible.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ice Mike, <i>05/04/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: Impossible. -- Ice Mike, 05/04/2005
 RE: Impossible. -- McQ, 05/04/2005
 Definitely some '67s or possibly all 1968 models? [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/18/2004
 Just curious, but did they also have Thermactor? [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/17/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=23697&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor23697" onclick="return false;">RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bob, <i>01/06/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi -- bob, 01/06/2005
 They had 'medium-rise' induction, as Gerry explained... -- Mr F, 01/06/2005
 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi -- walt, 04/27/2005
 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m] -- walt, 04/24/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24750&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24750" onclick="return false;">RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/27/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m] -- walt, 04/27/2005
 Really - Fords in those boats? Neat. :-) I had no idea. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/27/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22472&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22472" onclick="return false;">Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . .</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Orin, <i>08/17/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- Orin, 08/17/2004
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 RE: Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- kyle thompson, 08/19/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22510&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22510" onclick="return false;">RE:I apologize!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>08/19/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:I apologize! -- McQ, 08/19/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22523&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22523" onclick="return false;">Me too..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Don, <i>08/20/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:427 ft.lbs.of torque -- McQ, 08/20/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24919&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24919" onclick="return false;">Speaking of fishtails,</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>05/11/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Speaking of fishtails, -- blinker, 05/11/2005
 RE: Speaking of fishtails, -- McQ, 05/12/2005
 RE:I apologize! -- walt, 05/04/2005
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 RE: Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- walt, 04/24/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24705&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24705" onclick="return false;">Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang built. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/24/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang built. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24716&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24716" onclick="return false;">RE: Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang ...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/25/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang ... -- walt, 04/25/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24723&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24723" onclick="return false;">Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/25/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24806&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24806" onclick="return false;">RE: Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/30/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m] -- walt, 04/30/2005
 Oh, sure - Ford maybe dealers installed a few 427s. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
 ...but those wouldn't be 'true' 427 cars (wrong VIN). [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
 The big problem: adding a 427 voided the warranty. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
 But that book only says the code exists...not actual cars. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
 If Ford says they didn't build 'em, who am I to argue? :-D [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
 RE: Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- walt, 04/27/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22572&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22572" onclick="return false;">who cares!n/m</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bubba, <i>08/23/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 who cares!n/m -- bubba, 08/23/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22604&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22604" onclick="return false;">427 vs 428</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>08/24/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 427 vs 428 -- Travis Miller, 08/24/2004
 RE: 427 vs 428 -- walt, 04/17/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24692&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24692" onclick="return false;">RE: 427 vs 428</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/24/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: 427 vs 428 -- walt, 04/24/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24761&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24761" onclick="return false;">RE:this is hilarious!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>04/27/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:this is hilarious! -- McQ, 04/27/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24768&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24768" onclick="return false;">How heavy?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>JohnRB, <i>04/28/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 How heavy? -- JohnRB, 04/28/2005
 RE: How heavy? -- McQ, 04/28/2005
 Though I'd just add this one . . . -- Orin, 04/28/2005
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 RE: FE vs. 427W -- walt, 05/02/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24850&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24850" onclick="return false;">Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>05/03/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds... -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
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 RE: Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds... -- walt, 05/04/2005
 I think Ford sold 'em as replacements for the std. part. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/04/2005
 So, you'd order a plain one but find a 'Bird in the box. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/04/2005
 M-series (6v) set-up had a unique intake, with 'level' carbs. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
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