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RE: Impossible.
By McQ - 05/04/2005 11:25:43 PM; IP 207.69.139.133
Hey Ice Mike, we may as well see if we can keep this wild & crazy thread, er, way out there tangent going, huh?

First, the hydraulic liftered -W- code '68 427 was NOT available to the Galaxie, full size line.

Second, the -W- code 427, 390 horsepower engine never was installed in a production '68 'stang. The plan was go but there was a huge strike by the UAW in Oct., '67 that shut all production down for a month or so. I've got the early dealer-showroom brochures, articles and there was even a prototype 390 horsepower 427 Mustang released for some early publicity testing. But after the strike....no 427/390 horse was available to the Mustang buyer. The Cougar did get it the somewhat detuned 427 though as a GT/E package. Royce knows a lot about these. Very very rare to say the least.

I don't think any '68 Shelby GT 500 'stangs got the -W- code engine. The pre '68 1/2, got the 428 Police Engine which by '68 even featured a cast iron intake similar to how the CJ was going to be.

Let's see, what else did you claim, oh, the thing about the 427 being little more than a 428 with cross bolted main caps, this could create one big ol'argument amongst the FE'natics. The bad boy '27 was a lot more than just cross bolted main caps. As a matter of fact, the 428 got the nod to replace the 427 as the Real Performance option because it was a lot less costly to produce. Do a little more research regarding the differences between a '27 & '28.

Now what about those medium riser heads? Sorry Ice Mike. The C80E-N Cobra Jet head is not a Medium Riser. The vaunted CJ is very similar to a '66 390 GT with the low riser size valves, different ex. mfld. bolt pattern, but they just ain't the medium riser.

Last, the '68 1/2 Cobra Jet was not referred to as a Super Cobra Jet. That designation was for the 1969-70 Drag Pack option. What an SCJ got over a CJ was LeMan's style, cap-screw, 427, rods. Different weight pistons too to go with these rods. But the SCJ did not make any more power over the CJ. It just got a little tougher lower end to handle the 3.91/4.30 gearing that came with the Drag Pack option.

I'd like to summarize by saying that all I've said may be possible or it may not be. But when you say "Impossible" especially regarding what our mighty Blue FoMoCo was doing back then, (ack then? What are they doing now?) you just can't be too sure.

Here's a pop quiz for you Ice Mike: What one and only transmission was available for the '68 -W- code 427/390HP engine? And Why?
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22405&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22405" onclick="return false;"> Ford did offer an engine upgrade..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Don, <i>08/12/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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  Ford did offer an engine upgrade.. -- Don, 08/12/2004
 RE: Ford did offer an engine upgrade.. -- Barry McLarty, 08/12/2004
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 RE: Ford did offer an engine upgrade.. -- McQ, 08/12/2004
 McQ was pretty close . . . -- Orin, 08/17/2004
 RE: Fairlane Stainless Clips. -- mark, 05/04/2006
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22414&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22414" onclick="return false;">In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/12/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/12/2004
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 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi -- McQ, 08/13/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22430&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22430" onclick="return false;">Just FYI: '67 427 option was ~$1300. And I was 12. ;-) [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Just FYI: '67 427 option was ~$1300. And I was 12. ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/14/2004
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 Yep - the big 5-0 has finally caught me. ::LOL:: [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
 RE: Just FYI: '67 427 option was ~$1300. And I was 12. ;-) [n/m] -- walt, 04/27/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22431&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22431" onclick="return false;">MSRP of 427 was ~$1125 + 4-speed was priced sep. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 MSRP of 427 was ~$1125 + 4-speed was priced sep. [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/14/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22432&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22432" onclick="return false;">RE:Thank you for showing me the errors in my way</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:Thank you for showing me the errors in my way -- McQ, 08/14/2004
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 RE:A few more facts on that "upgrade" -- McQ, 08/14/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22435&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22435" onclick="return false;">I have a 67 Armchair price guide</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>08/14/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 I have a 67 Armchair price guide -- Lou, 08/14/2004
 I have original dealer pricing sheets. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/15/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22442&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22442" onclick="return false;">Police car option was 428, not 427.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce, <i>08/15/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Police car option was 428, not 427. -- Royce, 08/15/2004
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 I bought several of the -- Uberty's Auto Wrecking, 08/16/2004
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 What model year were those cars? -- Dave Shoe, 08/17/2004
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 RE: What model year were those cars? -- Uberty's Auto Wrecking, 08/17/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22478&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22478" onclick="return false;">Impossible.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>08/17/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Impossible. -- Royce P, 08/17/2004
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 OK, If you say so !! -- Uberty's Auto wrecking, 08/18/2004
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 RE: OK, If you say so !! -- Tony P., 08/18/2004
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 RE: OK, If you say so !! -- Tony P., 08/18/2004
 1967 Shelby's not germane. Ford admitted error... -- Mr F, 08/18/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22502&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22502" onclick="return false;">The Feds got into it in 1968.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>08/19/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 The Feds got into it in 1968. -- Dave Shoe, 08/19/2004
 Shoe, I understand what you are saying -- Lou, 08/19/2004
 RE: Impossible. -- ford429cjlover, 08/19/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24871&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24871" onclick="return false;">RE: Impossible.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ice Mike, <i>05/04/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: Impossible. -- Ice Mike, 05/04/2005
RE: Impossible. -- McQ, 05/04/2005
 Definitely some '67s or possibly all 1968 models? [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/18/2004
 Just curious, but did they also have Thermactor? [n/m] -- Mr F, 08/17/2004
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 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi -- bob, 01/06/2005
 They had 'medium-rise' induction, as Gerry explained... -- Mr F, 01/06/2005
 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy orderi -- walt, 04/27/2005
 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m] -- walt, 04/24/2005
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 RE: In '67, 427 Fairlane was RPO - no fancy ordering req'd. [n/m] -- walt, 04/27/2005
 Really - Fords in those boats? Neat. :-) I had no idea. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/27/2005
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 Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- Orin, 08/17/2004
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 RE: Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- kyle thompson, 08/19/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22510&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22510" onclick="return false;">RE:I apologize!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>08/19/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:I apologize! -- McQ, 08/19/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22523&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22523" onclick="return false;">Me too..</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Don, <i>08/20/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:427 ft.lbs.of torque -- McQ, 08/20/2004
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 Speaking of fishtails, -- blinker, 05/11/2005
 RE: Speaking of fishtails, -- McQ, 05/12/2005
 RE:I apologize! -- walt, 05/04/2005
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 RE: Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- walt, 04/24/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24705&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24705" onclick="return false;">Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang built. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/24/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang built. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2005
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 RE: Ford's production database shows no 427 Mustang ... -- walt, 04/25/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24723&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24723" onclick="return false;">Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/25/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
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 RE: Sure - Ford *definitely* built & sold '68 Cougars w/ 427. [n/m] -- walt, 04/30/2005
 Oh, sure - Ford maybe dealers installed a few 427s. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
 ...but those wouldn't be 'true' 427 cars (wrong VIN). [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
 The big problem: adding a 427 voided the warranty. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
 But that book only says the code exists...not actual cars. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
 If Ford says they didn't build 'em, who am I to argue? :-D [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/25/2005
 RE: Here's a 1967 Armchair Estimater . . -- walt, 04/27/2005
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 who cares!n/m -- bubba, 08/23/2004
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22604&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor22604" onclick="return false;">427 vs 428</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>08/24/2004</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 427 vs 428 -- Travis Miller, 08/24/2004
 RE: 427 vs 428 -- walt, 04/17/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24692&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24692" onclick="return false;">RE: 427 vs 428</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>04/24/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: 427 vs 428 -- walt, 04/24/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24761&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24761" onclick="return false;">RE:this is hilarious!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>04/27/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE:this is hilarious! -- McQ, 04/27/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24768&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24768" onclick="return false;">How heavy?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>JohnRB, <i>04/28/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 How heavy? -- JohnRB, 04/28/2005
 RE: How heavy? -- McQ, 04/28/2005
 Though I'd just add this one . . . -- Orin, 04/28/2005
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 RE: FE vs. 427W -- walt, 05/02/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24850&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24850" onclick="return false;">Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>05/03/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds... -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=24865&Reply=22391><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor24865" onclick="return false;">RE: Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>05/04/2005</i></font><script type="text/javascript">
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 RE: Yep - that's the stock air cleaner for M-series Thunderbirds... -- walt, 05/04/2005
 I think Ford sold 'em as replacements for the std. part. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/04/2005
 So, you'd order a plain one but find a 'Bird in the box. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/04/2005
 M-series (6v) set-up had a unique intake, with 'level' carbs. [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2005
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