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Uhhhh Ohhhhhh, time to bake some crow ! :-)
By P - 01/08/2002 10:13:10 AM; IP 66.89.75.42
Dave, you've thrown gasoline on the fire!

I've had claws in my back on a few occasions about the "two bolt main" 427 engines that have "supposedly" been out there, and now you post what sure looks like "PROOF".

What this does, of course, is to cast a shadow of doubt on the fact that "Ford never put a 2-bolt hydraulic 427 into the 390-HP Cougar". I think using the word "never" would be a bit too confident now, just for the sake of argument, of course. As some of you know, I've got some old articles collected in the 60's and 70's that make note of the 2-bolt 427, and I've been told that this is the result of a journalist who is trying to use a wrench. Since I respect this point of view about a journalist with a wrench, I've figured that they must have been wrong, but how did the "myth" get started in the first place??

Due to what (little) research I've done over the years, primarily on marine applications, I've seen a lot of strange hybrids show up in industrial/irrigation and marine applications that companies like Trojan, Chris Craft, Higgins, and Century, just to name a few, managed to get their hands on. I've got a buddy with what appear to be "twin industrial crate engines" in a Trojan, and to the best of our ability, we think they're 390's but won't probably know for sure until they're torn down. The 427 blocks that were only bored to 390 specs are also interesting hybrids. With all the hybrids out there that never show up in the record or specifications books, I always thought it was more than possible for Ford to have produced a 2-bolt 427 as well as a 4-bolt 390.

Also due to my (limited) research, I see lots and lots of information in period publications that people these days just don't seem to know about any more, or remember. This adds to the fun, and the forensic discovery you've posted. It's kind of like discovering Bigfoot in person, and finally having something to talk about other than the probability.

Thanks for the info. Royce, you know I can't let this one go by without a friendly poke in the ribs! The crow is a bit greasy so I'd suggest a red wine. (I know this from experience! :-)

P, Nashvegas, TN
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10512&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10512" onclick="return false;">This is what a non-crossbolted 427 looks like:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10512', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10512') }); </script>  This is what a non-crossbolted 427 looks like: -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10513&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10513" onclick="return false;">The drill bit is a snug fitting 1/8"</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10513', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10513') }); </script>  The drill bit is a snug fitting 1/8" -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10518&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10518" onclick="return false;">This is part of Davy Gurley's collection.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10518', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10518') }); </script>  This is part of Davy Gurley's collection. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10519&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10519" onclick="return false;">Note the six undrilled crossbolt bosses.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10519', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10519') }); </script>  Note the six undrilled crossbolt bosses. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10520&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10520" onclick="return false;">And the snug fit between the cylinder jackets.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10520', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10520') }); </script>  And the snug fit between the cylinder jackets. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10521&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10521" onclick="return false;">Are what make this block the real deal.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10521', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10521') }); </script>  Are what make this block the real deal. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <b>Uhhhh Ohhhhhh, time to bake some crow ! :-)</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>01/08/2002</i></font>Uhhhh Ohhhhhh, time to bake some crow ! :-) -- P, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10534&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10534" onclick="return false;">Caw. Caw. Ha. Ha.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10534', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10534') }); </script>  Caw. Caw. Ha. Ha. -- kevin, 01/08/2002
 427 2-bolt mains -- Travis Miller, 01/08/2002
 427 Mustang is an urban legend... -- Dan Davis, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10550&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10550" onclick="return false;">No passenger car came with one. Numbers Please!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10550', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10550') }); </script>  No passenger car came with one. Numbers Please! -- Royce Peterson, 01/08/2002
 It tastes like chicken.......... :-) ........n/m -- P, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10553&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10553" onclick="return false;">I believe two to six GT-E Cougars did.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10553', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10553') }); </script>  I believe two to six GT-E Cougars did. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10555&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10555" onclick="return false;">What about numbers on the block?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10555', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10555') }); </script>  What about numbers on the block? -- Royce Peterson, 01/08/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10564&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10564" onclick="return false;">I dont know Dave...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/09/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10564', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10564') }); </script>  I dont know Dave... -- kevin, 01/09/2002
 Date codes are pending. -- Dave Shoe, 01/09/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10576&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10576" onclick="return false;">Good stuff Dave</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>01/09/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10576', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10576') }); </script>  Good stuff Dave -- P, 01/09/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10600&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10600" onclick="return false;">RE: Good stuff Dave</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Davy Gurley, <i>01/10/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10600', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10600') }); </script>  RE: Good stuff Dave -- Davy Gurley, 01/10/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10610&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10610" onclick="return false;">Crow</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>01/11/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10610', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10610') }); </script>  Crow -- P, 01/11/2002
 RE: Crow -- R Shannon, 01/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10644&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10644" onclick="return false;">RE: Crow</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Davy Gurley, <i>01/11/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10644', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10644') }); </script>  RE: Crow -- Davy Gurley, 01/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10651&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10651" onclick="return false;">RE: Crow</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>01/11/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10651', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10651') }); </script>  RE: Crow -- Bob, 01/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10655&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10655" onclick="return false;">Raven's watchful eye...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10655', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10655') }); </script>  Raven's watchful eye... -- kevin, 01/12/2002
 Question about your 428. -- Dave Shoe, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10656&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10656" onclick="return false;">Dave, stick with the facts.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10656', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10656') }); </script>  Dave, stick with the facts. -- Royce Peterson, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10662&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10662" onclick="return false;">If I only posted facts, I'd rarely ever post.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10662', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10662') }); </script>  If I only posted facts, I'd rarely ever post. -- Dave Shoe, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10666&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10666" onclick="return false;">Opinions should be based on fact to be respected.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10666', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10666') }); </script>  Opinions should be based on fact to be respected. -- Royce Peterson, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10670&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10670" onclick="return false;">Shoe, that motorhome block....</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>kevin, <i>01/12/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10670', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10670') }); </script>  Shoe, that motorhome block.... -- kevin, 01/12/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10678&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10678" onclick="return false;">funny blocks and other odds and ends.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>01/13/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10678', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10678') }); </script>  funny blocks and other odds and ends. -- hawkrod, 01/13/2002
 RE: funny blocks and other odds and ends. -- Davy Gurley, 01/13/2002
 Welcome, Tom - interesting info. Got any photos? [n/m] -- Mr F, 01/13/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=10516&Reply=10512><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor10516" onclick="return false;">And the close proximity of the water jackets.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>01/08/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=10516', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor10516') }); </script>  And the close proximity of the water jackets. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
 Are what make this block the real deal. -- Dave Shoe, 01/08/2002
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