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RE:in defense of Lou
By McQ - 11/04/2003 12:29:13 AM; IP 63.191.225.11
We're just Ford guys who didn't like those "real fine" 409s!

From what I recall, and I even have a book somewhere about how wonderful the Z11 was, I must agree with what hawkrod says about the high dollar Z11 package. It was a very expensive package that GM built primarily for drag racing to maintain its image. But it does seem Ford proved the strength/design of the 427 in stock car racing. The '63 Chevy "Mystery" NASCAR motor was competitive but I don't think it cut it against the 427. I'm not citing any sources here other than just the deep recesses of my memory.....it's too late to root around looking for that dusty book.

And you know blinker, I think I said the LS6 was pretty much unbeatable in stock form. A nicely prepped 427 Ford in a mildly prepared Fairlane/Mustang chassis could easily hold its own with the LS6. And I did mention the Shelby 427 Cobra. If a stock '66 Cobra 427 pulled up next to a '70 Malibu SS454.... the bulbous chevy would just look whimpy and it would be an absolute laugher if it attempted to get it on with the Cobra. Same could be said even for a 454 LS6 'vette against the Cobra. Remember too that the Shelby Cobra's 427 was a stock out of the box medium riser. There was not a lot he or his boys could do to make it better than how it came from Ford.
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19022&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19022" onclick="return false;">Production numbers for the 427</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19022', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19022') }); </script>  Production numbers for the 427 -- P, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19024&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19024" onclick="return false;">a breakdown by type would be great</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19024', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19024') }); </script>  a breakdown by type would be great -- blinker, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19028&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19028" onclick="return false;">You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19028', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19028') }); </script>  You are comparing apples and oranges -- Lou, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19033&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19033" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19033', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19033') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- hawkrod, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19035&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19035" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19035', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19035') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- blinker, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19036&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19036" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19036', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19036') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- hawkrod, 11/03/2003
Collapse <b>RE:in defense of Lou</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>11/04/2003</i></font>RE:in defense of Lou -- McQ, 11/04/2003
 The 409 boat anchor was a PLANK HEAD motor -- P, 11/04/2003
 RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19043&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19043" onclick="return false;">GM had great drivers, too: Dyno Don, Ron Sox, M. Durham, etc. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19043', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19043') }); </script>  GM had great drivers, too: Dyno Don, Ron Sox, M. Durham, etc. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19052&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19052" onclick="return false;">Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy !</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19052', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19052') }); </script>  Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy ! -- P, 11/04/2003
 RE: Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy ! -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19059&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19059" onclick="return false;">He drove 409 A/FX Chevs, through 1963. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19059', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19059') }); </script>  He drove 409 A/FX Chevs, through 1963. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19065&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19065" onclick="return false;">Thaanx for the info, learn something every day!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19065', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19065') }); </script>  Thaanx for the info, learn something every day! -- P, 11/05/2003
 Ford really wanted the '64 A/FX Comets to do well. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/05/2003
 AMC's S/S AMX faster than the T-BOLT? -- blinker, 11/07/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19042&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19042" onclick="return false;">Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19042', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19042') }); </script>  Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
 RE: Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m] -- P, 11/04/2003
 Take a peek at the 409 NASCAR history -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19047&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19047" onclick="return false;">You may be right</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19047', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19047') }); </script>  You may be right -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19054&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19054" onclick="return false;">In my own defense:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19054', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19054') }); </script>  In my own defense: -- Lou, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19055&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19055" onclick="return false;">Note about the 426 Hemis:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19055', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19055') }); </script>  Note about the 426 Hemis: -- Lou, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19063&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19063" onclick="return false;">RE: Note about the 426</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19063', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19063') }); </script>  RE: Note about the 426 -- P, 11/05/2003
 RE: Note about the 426 -- P, 11/05/2003
 You speak well in your own defense, Lou -- P, 11/05/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19070&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19070" onclick="return false;">RE: Production numbers for the 427</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19070', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19070') }); </script>  RE: Production numbers for the 427 -- Travis Miller, 11/05/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19071&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19071" onclick="return false;">if the SOHC hadn't been factored to death</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19071', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19071') }); </script>  if the SOHC hadn't been factored to death -- blinker, 11/05/2003
 what was happening on the track meant -- Lou, 11/05/2003
 Very interesting, thanks! -- P, 11/05/2003
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