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RE: You are comparing apples and oranges
By P - 11/04/2003 5:14:00 PM; IP 66.89.75.42
> i didn't say it couldn't take it, i said the 409's won more races in the
> day. there were a lot more chevy's than fords at the track, some things
> never change! LOL. also it was much easier to buy a Z11 chevy than it was
> to buy a ford lightweight. the other bit of trivia that many people miss
> is that most of the race 409's were actually specially designed and built
> 427 CI engines that only shared blocks and cranks with production cars.
> kind of like a high riser 427 versus a regular 427 only on a much more
> radical scale. "427 = 4.312" x 3.65" (6.135" rod) 1963 "Z11" SHP drag race"
> here is a nice page that says very little but is interesting: <a href="http://www.myclassiccar.com/CoolCars/closeups/chevrolet/chevy409/"target=_new>http://www.myclassiccar.com/CoolCars/closeups/chevrolet/chevy409/</a>
>
> hawkrod


Well I'm going to settle the race count real quick. GM was a NO SHOW on the endurance racing circut. They chose to tip toe into the local scene where they managed to make a lot of noise, but as far as being able to step up to the plate, in front of the world, and take on anyone in high rpm endurance racing, the 409 was, indeed (gentlemen) a boat anchor. They were offered with a lot of power, yes, but they couldn't compete with the 406 or the 427 solid lifter motors.

Racing in a lighter weight car, secretly funded by GM, making noise in the local drag strips is a far cry from doing it "publically" and taking the heat or the defeat in front of the entire world. We can all be proud of what Ford did with the FE against Chrysler, worthy competition, but in the world of big block big bucks balls-to-the-wall endurance racing, GM was a NOooooooooo Showwwwwwww.

Reason, they didn't have a motor, heh heh heh

(they had a quarter mile noise maker)

:-) P
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19022&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19022" onclick="return false;">Production numbers for the 427</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19022', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19022') }); </script>  Production numbers for the 427 -- P, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19024&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19024" onclick="return false;">a breakdown by type would be great</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19024', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19024') }); </script>  a breakdown by type would be great -- blinker, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19028&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19028" onclick="return false;">You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19028', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19028') }); </script>  You are comparing apples and oranges -- Lou, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19033&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19033" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19033', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19033') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- hawkrod, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19035&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19035" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19035', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19035') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- blinker, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19036&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19036" onclick="return false;">RE: You are comparing apples and oranges</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>11/03/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19036', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19036') }); </script>  RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- hawkrod, 11/03/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19038&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19038" onclick="return false;">RE:in defense of Lou</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19038', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19038') }); </script>  RE:in defense of Lou -- McQ, 11/04/2003
 The 409 boat anchor was a PLANK HEAD motor -- P, 11/04/2003
RE: You are comparing apples and oranges -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19043&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19043" onclick="return false;">GM had great drivers, too: Dyno Don, Ron Sox, M. Durham, etc. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19043', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19043') }); </script>  GM had great drivers, too: Dyno Don, Ron Sox, M. Durham, etc. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19052&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19052" onclick="return false;">Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy !</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19052', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19052') }); </script>  Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy ! -- P, 11/04/2003
 RE: Dyno Don (Nicholson) was a Ford guy ! -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19059&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19059" onclick="return false;">He drove 409 A/FX Chevs, through 1963. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19059', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19059') }); </script>  He drove 409 A/FX Chevs, through 1963. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19065&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19065" onclick="return false;">Thaanx for the info, learn something every day!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19065', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19065') }); </script>  Thaanx for the info, learn something every day! -- P, 11/05/2003
 Ford really wanted the '64 A/FX Comets to do well. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/05/2003
 AMC's S/S AMX faster than the T-BOLT? -- blinker, 11/07/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19042&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19042" onclick="return false;">Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m]</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19042', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19042') }); </script>  Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/04/2003
 RE: Don't forget trans. availability (409, 4-speed) as a major factor. [n/m] -- P, 11/04/2003
 Take a peek at the 409 NASCAR history -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19047&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19047" onclick="return false;">You may be right</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19047', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19047') }); </script>  You may be right -- P, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19054&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19054" onclick="return false;">In my own defense:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19054', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19054') }); </script>  In my own defense: -- Lou, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19055&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19055" onclick="return false;">Note about the 426 Hemis:</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/04/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19055', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19055') }); </script>  Note about the 426 Hemis: -- Lou, 11/04/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19063&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19063" onclick="return false;">RE: Note about the 426</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19063', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19063') }); </script>  RE: Note about the 426 -- P, 11/05/2003
 RE: Note about the 426 -- P, 11/05/2003
 You speak well in your own defense, Lou -- P, 11/05/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19070&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19070" onclick="return false;">RE: Production numbers for the 427</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19070', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19070') }); </script>  RE: Production numbers for the 427 -- Travis Miller, 11/05/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19071&Reply=19022><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor19071" onclick="return false;">if the SOHC hadn't been factored to death</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/05/2003</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=19071', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor19071') }); </script>  if the SOHC hadn't been factored to death -- blinker, 11/05/2003
 what was happening on the track meant -- Lou, 11/05/2003
 Very interesting, thanks! -- P, 11/05/2003
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