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FE vs. Windsor
By Stanley Superior - 12/27/2000 1:32:49 AM; IP 209.95.192.18
There seems to be this bitterness about how the FE raced in NASCAR with the stock block,and the Windsor did not. True,Ford raced with the stock FE 427 blocks in NASCAR,but do you know why? because it was ALL THEY HAD!!! There was no such thing as Ford Motorsport back in those days,they did not have race specific blocks in the mid 60's! Alot of people say only the FE raced and won with production line blocks,but they are skipping the 70's! If the Windsor was the only thing that Ford would have had to do battle with,they would have still done it! They would have made it work and survive,just like they did to the FE. The FE was a total failure on the race tracks in the very early days of its racing career,so it was nurtured and developed by the engineers to last through a 500 mile race. You dont think they would have done the same thing with the Windsor if it was the only thing they had at the time? If you dont think that,then you are ignorant. Fast forward into the 70's--the 351 Cleveland,a production line engine,just like the FE,was chosen to carry the Ford name into racing. Why the Cleveland and not the Windsor? Airflow! The Cleveland heads had the capacity to move alot of air,the Windsor heads did not,very simple! Just like the FE's,the small blocks had a rough time in the early years of competition,and Ford was running stock block Clevelands,too! So why didnt Ford chose to run a Windsor? Because they had the Cleveland! It was a better design,it had a lighter rotating mass,compared to the Windsor. It had a slightly shorter deck than a Windsor. It already had performance parts available for it on the market. The Cleveland heads were far superior to any Windsor heads. The Cleveland heads were far superior to any FE wedge head. The Cleveland only needed a few minor mods to the oiling system,the FE needed many mods to its oiling system,even the 427 side oilers still needed alot of oiling mods. The Windsor was just never taken seriously by the factory or the aftermarket in the 70's. The Cleveland was the star child of those times.
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Collapse <b>FE vs. Windsor</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>12/27/2000</i></font>FE vs. Windsor -- Stanley Superior, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3864&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3864" onclick="return false;">RE: FE vs. Windsor vs. Flathead!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RC Moser, <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3864', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3864') }); </script>  RE: FE vs. Windsor vs. Flathead! -- RC Moser, 12/27/2000
 Couldn't have said it better RC. -- torinodriver, 12/27/2000
 RE: FE vs. Windsor -- dj, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3871&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3871" onclick="return false;">RE: FE vs. Windsor</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RSR, <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3871', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3871') }); </script>  RE: FE vs. Windsor -- RSR, 12/27/2000
 No purely personal attacks. Argue the merits or don't post. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3872&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3872" onclick="return false;">Please do research before shooting off mouth!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Alan, <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3872', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3872') }); </script>  Please do research before shooting off mouth! -- Alan, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3873&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3873" onclick="return false;">RE: Please do research before shooting off mouth!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3873', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3873') }); </script>  RE: Please do research before shooting off mouth! -- Stanley Superior, 12/27/2000
 RE: Please do research before shooting off mouth! -- RC Moser, 12/27/2000
 Better reread my post -- Alan, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3878&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3878" onclick="return false;">RE: Please do research before shooting off mouth!</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark, <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3878', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3878') }); </script>  RE: Please do research before shooting off mouth! -- Mark, 12/27/2000
 Good point. Top-level posts are usually new discussions. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3881&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3881" onclick="return false;">Stanley finally admits the truth about the Windsor</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>'Some clown', <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3881', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3881') }); </script>  Stanley finally admits the truth about the Windsor -- 'Some clown', 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3895&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3895" onclick="return false;">RE: Stanley finally admits the truth about the Windsor</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Stanley Superior, <i>12/28/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3895', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3895') }); </script>  RE: Stanley finally admits the truth about the Windsor -- Stanley Superior, 12/28/2000
 RE: Stanley finally admits the truth about the Windsor -- 406Custom300, 12/28/2000
 RE: Stanley finally admits the truth about the Windsor -- Louie, 12/28/2000
 Motorsports/SVA dates to ~'64 & 289 race-only blocks to ~'66. [n/m] -- Mr F, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3883&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3883" onclick="return false;">RE: FE vs. Windsor</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brian, <i>12/27/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3883', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3883') }); </script>  RE: FE vs. Windsor -- Brian, 12/27/2000
 RE: FE vs. Windsor -- Pig Iron, 12/27/2000
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=3900&Reply=3863><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor3900" onclick="return false;">"All they had"??</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>DMA, <i>12/28/2000</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=3900', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor3900') }); </script>  "All they had"?? -- DMA, 12/28/2000
 Hey stanley Get Your Facts right -- ANT, 12/29/2000
 RE: FE vs. Windsor -- s-code, 01/01/2001
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