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RE: Strong rumor
By Dave Shoe - 01/31/2001 1:36:43 PM; IP 12.2.11.131
Ross,

Can you put me onto the trail of any good ag/industrial tech literature for these motors or the equipment they went in?

I seek model numbers and manufacturers names in order to figure out where to start looking for this stuff.

I'm starting to find a couple of farm resources, but I haven't exactly busted the grain elevator doors open and struck the motherlode. Haven't had any luck finding manufacturers names or model numbers for irrigation pumps.

One chap I spoke with mentioned that his dad had a buncha 428FE (tandem drive?!?) and 413 Chrysler powered irrigation pumps. His dad liked the 413s but the 428s were nothing but trouble. Sounds like it might have been some more inappropriate crankshaft power attachment issues. It's a wonder what one idiot design engineer can do to make or break an engines reputation.

I wonder if the steel crank might have been a final-production-year solution to solve chronic crank failures? I believe it was Ron Miller (FPP) who mentioned that 428 Forged steel cranks could be found in some farm machinery (I just did a quick search and didn't find Ron's post). As soon as I dig up some literature, I'm gonna scan and post it. This farm/industrial stuff is fun to research.

Again: The 428 forged crank remains only a rumor.

Again, again: Thanks for all your info, Ross.

As for the 428 "Super" pistons, that's the piston used in CJ and SCJ motors from Dec 1968 and later (3rd gen CJ, 2nd gen SCJ). They have notable meat added in the pin boss area. Sounds like the later ag 428s got the reinforced CJ type of cast piston.

Also, my present suspicion is that CJ and SCJ engines got identical pistons, but the SCJs were graded for a couple tenths more bore clearance and thus got a different service number. This is only a rumor, but it is also the only thing that makes much sense right now.

Shoe.
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 RE: there is a 428 forged crank! -- ANT, 02/02/2001
 427 cranks on E-Bay -- Ed Foral, 02/03/2001
 there is a 428 forged crank! -- ANT, 02/01/2001
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