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Full of holes? That book is sinking!
By Dave Shoe - 02/19/2001 9:41:15 PM; IP 216.243.158.7
That book is a fun and valuable resource, but you can't take the info at face-value when noticing he combines parts interchange for the FE and 385 series in the same damn chapter and on the same pages. These two families have NOTHING in common, but he sees fit to blend them together into one homogenous mess.

Reid's idea of and "Engine Family" is clearly stated in his table of contents: Ford only offers a "small block" (221 cid ot 400cid) and a "big block" (332 to 460). This doesn't cut it.

On page two, Reid claims that FE stands for "Ford Engine", while on page three he states the 302 had one inch added to the deck to become a 351W. Forgive me if I don't toss out my manuals which state the dimension is 1.274" taller. In the next section, Mr Reid claims the Cleveland family name is "332". What? How ironic - Two "family" names identified incorrectly without turning the page. It's supposed to be "335", if I recall.

On page 23, Reid claims the "M means Modified Cleveland" when it obviously follows Ford's pattern of naming all their 351 blocks at the foundries they were born in: Windsor (WF), Cleveland (CF), and Michigan Casting Center (MCC). He also refers to the 351M as "M-series modified Clevelands", rather than recognizing they are from what Ford refers to as the 335-series engine family.

Dangitall, I got off track again. I suppose all this Cleveland crap is causing yawns. How about this: The three pages of FE head "casting numbers" listed in that book are actually listing a rather useless "part numbers". The port dimensions are wrong on most every FE head (he didn't understand the "emissions" changeover or the high-rise concept at all). That's just a start. FE data errors can be found throughout this book.

Anyhow, this is a good book to play with - just don't go placing money (on the parts counter) based on what you "Reid".

Perhaps I went a bit "overboard" when I stated this book was "full of holes". You can be sure there are no holes in the boat that George Reid purchased after publishing this book. I'll bet he hasn't missed a boat payment, thanks to eager buyers like us.

Shoe.
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4962&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4962" onclick="return false;">Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tom, <i>02/17/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4962', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4962') }); </script>  Just Wondering? -- Tom, 02/17/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4963&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4963" onclick="return false;">RE: Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve Mason, <i>02/17/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4963', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4963') }); </script>  RE: Just Wondering? -- Steve Mason, 02/17/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4982&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4982" onclick="return false;">"Ford Edsel" sounds right to me.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4982', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4982') }); </script>  "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me. -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4988&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4988" onclick="return false;">RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mike b, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4988', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4988') }); </script>  RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me. -- mike b, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5009&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5009" onclick="return false;">This might be a "chicken or egg" kinda thing.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/20/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5009', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5009') }); </script>  This might be a "chicken or egg" kinda thing. -- Dave Shoe, 02/20/2001
 RE: This might be a "chicken or egg" kinda thing. -- Travis Miller, 02/20/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4991&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4991" onclick="return false;">RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4991', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4991') }); </script>  RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me. -- Mr F, 02/19/2001
 RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me. -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
 428 block -- Mike Crater, 03/09/2004
 Two Car Divisions...Two Engine Families -- KULTULZ, 11/02/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4994&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4994" onclick="return false;">RE: Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brad Wear, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4994', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4994') }); </script>  RE: Just Wondering? -- Brad Wear, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4996&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4996" onclick="return false;">Who makes that manual?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4996', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4996') }); </script>  Who makes that manual? -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4998&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4998" onclick="return false;">RE: Who makes that manual?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>brad, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4998', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4998') }); </script>  RE: Who makes that manual? -- brad, 02/19/2001
 RE: Who makes that manual? -- brad, 02/19/2001
 RE: Who makes that manual? -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
Full of holes? That book is sinking! -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4997&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4997" onclick="return false;">RE: Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tom, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4997', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4997') }); </script>  RE: Just Wondering? -- Tom, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5000&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5000" onclick="return false;">RE: Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>brad, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5000', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5000') }); </script>  RE: Just Wondering? -- brad, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5001&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5001" onclick="return false;">The Book</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ed Foral, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5001', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5001') }); </script>  The Book -- Ed Foral, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5008&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5008" onclick="return false;">Still, I'd like to hear about it.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/20/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5008', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5008') }); </script>  Still, I'd like to hear about it. -- Dave Shoe, 02/20/2001
  Still, I'd like to hear about it. -- Ed Foral, 02/20/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5017&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5017" onclick="return false;">Too complicated . . .</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Orin, <i>02/20/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5017', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5017') }); </script>  Too complicated . . . -- Orin, 02/20/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15098&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor15098" onclick="return false;">So take me one step backwards guys. . .</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Zeigler, <i>11/02/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=15098', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor15098') }); </script>  So take me one step backwards guys. . . -- John Zeigler, 11/02/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15099&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor15099" onclick="return false;">That cast '428' is a positive ID. Dave has it right, here...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/02/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=15099', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor15099') }); </script>  That cast '428' is a positive ID. Dave has it right, here... -- Mr F, 11/02/2002
 RE: That cast '428' is a positive ID. Dave has it right, here... -- Dave, 11/03/2002
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