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RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me.
By Dave Shoe - 02/19/2001 10:18:20 PM; IP 216.243.158.7
>The addition of the Cleveland family seems to have created
>interest inside Ford marketing to reorganize the engine
>structure around "family" designations.

>Grouping engines by their applications started long before
>then, Dave.....as early as 1962, that I know of.

Agreed, however Ford marketing probably didn't see a need to start using the term "Family" and adopt unique family names until the growing mish-mash of engine applications started to confound the public in 1970.

>No - 'MEL' and 'FE' were in use, long before '68.

I beg for a reference (I don't grouss in this kinda situation - I plead). I suspect that FE and MEL may have been engineering names first attached during development because the Edsel project was code-named the "E-Car Project". It makes sense that the engine projects may have found code-names such as "FE-Engine Project" and "MEL-Engine Project". Hey, Ford was proud of the Edsel during early development, and it was good karma to be "in" on the development. I'm suspecting the acronym "FE" dates back to shortly after April 15, 1955 (birth of the Edsel project), but it was lost to the public because there was no need for a more in-depth identifier until the engine groupings at Ford started to get confusing in 1970. I suspect an FE engine designer suggested the acronym when marketing was asking around for "family name" ideas in 1970, and it stuck solid when it hit the printing press.

Anyhow, if we can buy a few more years (back to 1968), this'll put us closer to finding a possible origin.

Shoe.
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4982&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4982" onclick="return false;">"Ford Edsel" sounds right to me.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4982', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4982') }); </script>  "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me. -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5009&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5009" onclick="return false;">This might be a "chicken or egg" kinda thing.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/20/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5009', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5009') }); </script>  This might be a "chicken or egg" kinda thing. -- Dave Shoe, 02/20/2001
 RE: This might be a "chicken or egg" kinda thing. -- Travis Miller, 02/20/2001
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RE: "Ford Edsel" sounds right to me. -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
 428 block -- Mike Crater, 03/09/2004
 Two Car Divisions...Two Engine Families -- KULTULZ, 11/02/2002
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 RE: Who makes that manual? -- brad, 02/19/2001
 RE: Who makes that manual? -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
 Full of holes? That book is sinking! -- Dave Shoe, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=4997&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor4997" onclick="return false;">RE: Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tom, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=4997', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor4997') }); </script>  RE: Just Wondering? -- Tom, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5000&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5000" onclick="return false;">RE: Just Wondering?</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>brad, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5000', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5000') }); </script>  RE: Just Wondering? -- brad, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5001&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5001" onclick="return false;">The Book</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ed Foral, <i>02/19/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5001', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5001') }); </script>  The Book -- Ed Foral, 02/19/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5008&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5008" onclick="return false;">Still, I'd like to hear about it.</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>02/20/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5008', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5008') }); </script>  Still, I'd like to hear about it. -- Dave Shoe, 02/20/2001
  Still, I'd like to hear about it. -- Ed Foral, 02/20/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=5017&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor5017" onclick="return false;">Too complicated . . .</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Orin, <i>02/20/2001</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=5017', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor5017') }); </script>  Too complicated . . . -- Orin, 02/20/2001
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15098&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor15098" onclick="return false;">So take me one step backwards guys. . .</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Zeigler, <i>11/02/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=15098', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor15098') }); </script>  So take me one step backwards guys. . . -- John Zeigler, 11/02/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=15099&Reply=4962><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<a href="#" id="anchor15099" onclick="return false;">That cast '428' is a positive ID. Dave has it right, here...</a>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>11/02/2002</i></font><script type="text/javascript"> new HelpBalloon({ dataURL: 'replyb.aspx?ID=15099', contentMargin: 60, icon: $('anchor15099') }); </script>  That cast '428' is a positive ID. Dave has it right, here... -- Mr F, 11/02/2002
 RE: That cast '428' is a positive ID. Dave has it right, here... -- Dave, 11/03/2002
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