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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21137&Reply=21137><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 camshaft for heavy truck</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jay, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 1967 F250 4x4 with a 390. Motor has flat tops and C8AE-H heads that I installed 2.09 int and 1.65 exh valves in. I also cleaned up the bowls. I am running a perormer rpm intake cuz I actually built the motor for my other vehicle. I took the motor out and installed it in my F250 and left the rpm intake. The only change I made was the camshaft. I switched out the lunati mechanical for a cam research hyd. The specs on this cam are .218 int and .225 exh witha .530 lift ona 110 sep. I now realize this cam does not have nearly enough low end grunt. I would appeciate any help and info on cam selection. I spoke with Lunati and learned they aquired Mr Brookshire who used to design cams for ultradyne. I have heard his designs were superior to others. They recomended a .207 int, .217 exh with .507 and .533 lift on a 112 sep. Sound about right to you guys? Thanks </blockquote> 390 camshaft for heavy truck -- Jay, 04/24/2004
I have a 1967 F250 4x4 with a 390. Motor has flat tops and C8AE-H heads that I installed 2.09 int and 1.65 exh valves in. I also cleaned up the bowls. I am running a perormer rpm intake cuz I actually built the motor for my other vehicle. I took the motor out and installed it in my F250 and left the rpm intake. The only change I made was the camshaft. I switched out the lunati mechanical for a cam research hyd. The specs on this cam are .218 int and .225 exh witha .530 lift ona 110 sep. I now realize this cam does not have nearly enough low end grunt. I would appeciate any help and info on cam selection. I spoke with Lunati and learned they aquired Mr Brookshire who used to design cams for ultradyne. I have heard his designs were superior to others. They recomended a .207 int, .217 exh with .507 and .533 lift on a 112 sep. Sound about right to you guys? Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21150&Reply=21137><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What kind of transmission? What's the axle-ratio? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> What kind of transmission? What's the axle-ratio? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
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 Sorry about that -- Jay, 04/25/2004
It is a truck 4 speed and I am running 3.73 gears with 33" tiress. Truck weighs about 5600 lbs.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21136&Reply=21136><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>New guy on board.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jay, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am new here on the board. I have viewed this sight the last day or so and it's nice to see all the info for the FE.  </blockquote> New guy on board. -- Jay, 04/24/2004
I am new here on the board. I have viewed this sight the last day or so and it's nice to see all the info for the FE.
  Welcome aboard -- steve, 04/24/2004
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 Glad you like it. These guys really do a great job. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21135&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Edelbrock restrictors</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>steve, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>My edelbrock heads are filling with oil.I need to put resrictors in them .060 I believe.What can I use to restrict the oil.I don't know if holley jets will work or not.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks </blockquote> Edelbrock restrictors -- steve, 04/24/2004
My edelbrock heads are filling with oil.I need to put resrictors in them .060 I believe.What can I use to restrict the oil.I don't know if holley jets will work or not.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21160&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>From the forum archive (SEARCH: 'oil restrictors')...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=18680&Reply=18680">http://www.jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=18680&Reply=18680</a> </blockquote> From the forum archive (SEARCH: 'oil restrictors')... -- Mr F, 04/25/2004
http://www.jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=18680&Reply=18680
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22576&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>stupid answer!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bubba, <i>08/23/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>put in a Mikuni dirtbike pilot jet. Another person had thae idea. I think it goes like this.<br>Drill pilot hole to proper size you would like to run than drill head bout 1/8 to 1/4 deep only with a bit slightly larger than the threads on jet. The brass will tap the hole and conceal itself. Also, if you can enlarge you drain holes to 7/16. </blockquote> stupid answer! -- bubba, 08/23/2004
put in a Mikuni dirtbike pilot jet. Another person had thae idea. I think it goes like this.
Drill pilot hole to proper size you would like to run than drill head bout 1/8 to 1/4 deep only with a bit slightly larger than the threads on jet. The brass will tap the hole and conceal itself. Also, if you can enlarge you drain holes to 7/16.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22581&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: stupid answer!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chad, <i>08/23/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Real smart saying the owner of this forum gave a stupid answer. Judging from some of your other replys I would suggest getting to sleep. I understand eighth grade starts early nowadays! </blockquote> RE: stupid answer! -- Chad, 08/23/2004
Real smart saying the owner of this forum gave a stupid answer. Judging from some of your other replys I would suggest getting to sleep. I understand eighth grade starts early nowadays!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22583&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: stupid answer!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bob lee, <i>08/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>thanks chad this guy has put some stupid advice on here if you are here just to %uck with every body just leave us alone </blockquote> RE: stupid answer! -- bob lee, 08/24/2004
thanks chad this guy has put some stupid advice on here if you are here just to %uck with every body just leave us alone
 truth hurts -- bubba, 08/24/2004
Sorry fellows but sometimes the truth does hurt. It doesnt matter if you are a moderator or not. If you are wrong then you are wrong. To bad people get offended when their incompetencies are called out.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22599&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>pupil or teacher?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bubba, <i>08/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>My guess is you are the teacher. Do your students ride in the little yellow short bus and get out earlier than the others? That would be the intelect which your post conveyed. Astonish us again with another glorious rebuttal-WAIT-get your dictionary first to look up what i have just written! <br> </blockquote> pupil or teacher? -- bubba, 08/24/2004
My guess is you are the teacher. Do your students ride in the little yellow short bus and get out earlier than the others? That would be the intelect which your post conveyed. Astonish us again with another glorious rebuttal-WAIT-get your dictionary first to look up what i have just written!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22602&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: pupil or teacher?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chad, <i>08/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>With reply's last night of "It's a piece of junk", "who cares", and the best "blah, blah, blah". You have proven how much intelect you have. This forum has provided me with alot of great information. I just do not want to see it garbaged up by someone who has nothing of value to say. I shall cease from further comment. </blockquote> RE: pupil or teacher? -- Chad, 08/24/2004
With reply's last night of "It's a piece of junk", "who cares", and the best "blah, blah, blah". You have proven how much intelect you have. This forum has provided me with alot of great information. I just do not want to see it garbaged up by someone who has nothing of value to say. I shall cease from further comment.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22603&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>For Bubba</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chad, <i>08/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.m-w.com/">http://www.m-w.com/</a><br><br>A few words in my post were tricky. </blockquote> For Bubba -- Chad, 08/24/2004
http://www.m-w.com/

A few words in my post were tricky.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22607&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: For Bubba</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>boblee, <i>08/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>thanks chad for your good advice too bubba what kind of name is bubba anyway. if you dont have anything good to say shut the hell up </blockquote> RE: For Bubba -- boblee, 08/25/2004
thanks chad for your good advice too bubba what kind of name is bubba anyway. if you dont have anything good to say shut the hell up
 Good point -- bubba, 08/25/2004
Okay, I understand the concern. Either I will offer legitimate advice/opinions or won't post.
Bubba is a funny name to me so therefore here I am. Boblee,bobbie,bobby,brucelee,boobie,its all poopie. Lighten up dude.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22622&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: stupid answer!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>08/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Well yes, I will have to agree, bubba, your answer is stupid as you say it is in the title. First off there are more than one design of Ede heads as noted in Mr. F's thread link and second who the heck has crap bike spare parts laying around? If you said use real parts I would understand, but what you are suggesting is way more work than making your own restrictor from a piece of threaded stock. As Roger would say, "what a maroon". hawkrd </blockquote> RE: stupid answer! -- hawkrod, 08/25/2004
Well yes, I will have to agree, bubba, your answer is stupid as you say it is in the title. First off there are more than one design of Ede heads as noted in Mr. F's thread link and second who the heck has crap bike spare parts laying around? If you said use real parts I would understand, but what you are suggesting is way more work than making your own restrictor from a piece of threaded stock. As Roger would say, "what a maroon". hawkrd
 RE: stupid answer! -- bubba, 08/25/2004
Im sorry you are PWT and live in the Booneys.
Precision Oil Pumps also has a sweet restrictor kit for the heads but its more to ship than worth. I actually have been in the various forums for a very long time and up until now I thought your posts were meaningful. I think I did read some B/S on the other forum about a harmonic balancer or something-maybe wasnt you so enough.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22698&Reply=21135><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Edelbrock restrictors</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>390 ranger, <i>08/28/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>make sure that you trim the gaskets at the drains on the intake.  the fel pro and victor partially cover the drain back to the block.  i used copper tubing in my heads.  od of the oil passage and id is around .90.  cheap easy and you dont have to thread the passage it just slips in and is held in place by the pedestal.  been in there for 4years now with no problems.  gessford machine sells inserts just do a search for gessford machine.  the sell a lot of FE stuff. </blockquote> RE: Edelbrock restrictors -- 390 ranger, 08/28/2004
make sure that you trim the gaskets at the drains on the intake. the fel pro and victor partially cover the drain back to the block. i used copper tubing in my heads. od of the oil passage and id is around .90. cheap easy and you dont have to thread the passage it just slips in and is held in place by the pedestal. been in there for 4years now with no problems. gessford machine sells inserts just do a search for gessford machine. the sell a lot of FE stuff.
 RE: Edelbrock restrictors -- 390 ranger, 08/28/2004
oh yeah .060 for racing and .090 for street. the tubing is .090 id not .90
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21134&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FE Noise</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dave, <i>04/23/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>This is embarrassing but here it goes. I have been trying to locate the source of a noise in my 428. It sounds like it is comming from the intake manifold and knowing how sounds can travel thru an engine I knew the only way to make any progress would be to start checking the most likely soources. I pulled the valve covers and found one rocker that felt like the hyd. lifter had collapsed. I also felt a rough spot when rotating that paricular rocker by hand.  I removed the shaft assy. I pulled the F-427 intake off and pulled all the lifters which looked like they had not even 1K on em and none were collapsed. I replaced em anyway and installed two new rocker shaft assy from clevite. Bolt it all back together and still have the noise. While looking thru the breather hole on the L/H valve cover I noticed it appeared that the pushrods were hitting the holes in the intake  they pass thru. I have the 11/32  dia. rods in the engine. I pulled them out visual insp. em and none seem bent. I replaced them with 3/8 dia pushrods and when I re-installed the rocker shaft checked for interference all looked good. Start the engine and the noise is still there! Now as I look at the pushrods(thru the breather access) with the engine running it appears that the pushrod has somehow migrated to a spot where it looks like its hitting the passages in the intake. I pput about 1k miles on this engine with the E-bock  manifold with out any problem......ANY thoughts ...the noise  sounds like it is has a bit of a hollow tone to it and seems to keep pace with the valve train mvmt  </blockquote> FE Noise -- dave, 04/23/2004
This is embarrassing but here it goes. I have been trying to locate the source of a noise in my 428. It sounds like it is comming from the intake manifold and knowing how sounds can travel thru an engine I knew the only way to make any progress would be to start checking the most likely soources. I pulled the valve covers and found one rocker that felt like the hyd. lifter had collapsed. I also felt a rough spot when rotating that paricular rocker by hand. I removed the shaft assy. I pulled the F-427 intake off and pulled all the lifters which looked like they had not even 1K on em and none were collapsed. I replaced em anyway and installed two new rocker shaft assy from clevite. Bolt it all back together and still have the noise. While looking thru the breather hole on the L/H valve cover I noticed it appeared that the pushrods were hitting the holes in the intake they pass thru. I have the 11/32 dia. rods in the engine. I pulled them out visual insp. em and none seem bent. I replaced them with 3/8 dia pushrods and when I re-installed the rocker shaft checked for interference all looked good. Start the engine and the noise is still there! Now as I look at the pushrods(thru the breather access) with the engine running it appears that the pushrod has somehow migrated to a spot where it looks like its hitting the passages in the intake. I pput about 1k miles on this engine with the E-bock manifold with out any problem......ANY thoughts ...the noise sounds like it is has a bit of a hollow tone to it and seems to keep pace with the valve train mvmt
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21147&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21177&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dave, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Aprox,1K it was before I put the car away for the cold season here in NY. It seems it started slight then I pulled the stamped steel valve covers to install a set of the cast aluminum covers and re-visited my valve djustment. I have hydraulic lifters with the adjustable Ford rocker assys which I have had on other FE's I usually adjust them till there is no movement of the pushrod and add 1/4 turn. Someone on this forum suggested that since the lifters have a lot of play 1/4 turn was probably not enough. My jobber had a box of 4 lifters sitting on the shelf so I picked them up and measured the plunger travel which came out to .180. I purchased a set of new clevite rocker assys and a new set of pushrods and got back to some serious wrenching to try and figure out where this noise is comming from. I started by pulling the valve covers and inspecting the top end. No loose rockers or pushrods. I removed the rocker assys and found the #8 Exhaust rocker felt like it was binding. I removed it and found evidece of un-even wear, slight but also some galling in one spot. I installed the new rocker shaft assys and measured with one of the old rockers how many turns would equal 1/2 plunger travel. I found that two full turns of the adjuster = .090 so I adjusted the screw two full turns following the sequence in the 67 shop manual for adjusting 427 solid lifters at three different locations on the balancer. I installed a cut out valve cover and started the engine to observe oil flow at first everything was ok but after a few mins the tick/knock returned. The next day I really hit it hard, I pulled the intake and inspected the lifters.....they looked good.....replaced them since I made the trip. I installed a set of new pushrods, replaced the intake gasket  a FELPRO CJ gasket that had failed by the exhaust crossover on both sides. Re-installed the intake and the new rocker shafts and........after a few mins of running the noise is back. The next day I tried a different approach since I turned up no failed parts that stopped the noise and removed the flywheel insp cover and found that the starter I changed when I did the valve covers did not clear the ring gear on the flywheel. Pulled the starter notched the nose to provide clearance, re-install the starter and  fire it up. Sounds much better, I wasnt covinced  that was it because the noise is not a grinding sound. Anyway gotta sleep sometime so the next morning I take it out for a test drive and still it makes the f333ing noise. I have leaned on a lot of stuff to try and nail this sound and the closest I find and interpet is the rocker arms moving sideways on the shaft. When you hear it, its so severe that I'm stunned I cant nail the source. I know sounds thru an engine can play tricks on ya   anybody been here and back Please help! </blockquote> RE: So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m] -- dave, 04/26/2004
Aprox,1K it was before I put the car away for the cold season here in NY. It seems it started slight then I pulled the stamped steel valve covers to install a set of the cast aluminum covers and re-visited my valve djustment. I have hydraulic lifters with the adjustable Ford rocker assys which I have had on other FE's I usually adjust them till there is no movement of the pushrod and add 1/4 turn. Someone on this forum suggested that since the lifters have a lot of play 1/4 turn was probably not enough. My jobber had a box of 4 lifters sitting on the shelf so I picked them up and measured the plunger travel which came out to .180. I purchased a set of new clevite rocker assys and a new set of pushrods and got back to some serious wrenching to try and figure out where this noise is comming from. I started by pulling the valve covers and inspecting the top end. No loose rockers or pushrods. I removed the rocker assys and found the #8 Exhaust rocker felt like it was binding. I removed it and found evidece of un-even wear, slight but also some galling in one spot. I installed the new rocker shaft assys and measured with one of the old rockers how many turns would equal 1/2 plunger travel. I found that two full turns of the adjuster = .090 so I adjusted the screw two full turns following the sequence in the 67 shop manual for adjusting 427 solid lifters at three different locations on the balancer. I installed a cut out valve cover and started the engine to observe oil flow at first everything was ok but after a few mins the tick/knock returned. The next day I really hit it hard, I pulled the intake and inspected the lifters.....they looked good.....replaced them since I made the trip. I installed a set of new pushrods, replaced the intake gasket a FELPRO CJ gasket that had failed by the exhaust crossover on both sides. Re-installed the intake and the new rocker shafts and........after a few mins of running the noise is back. The next day I tried a different approach since I turned up no failed parts that stopped the noise and removed the flywheel insp cover and found that the starter I changed when I did the valve covers did not clear the ring gear on the flywheel. Pulled the starter notched the nose to provide clearance, re-install the starter and fire it up. Sounds much better, I wasnt covinced that was it because the noise is not a grinding sound. Anyway gotta sleep sometime so the next morning I take it out for a test drive and still it makes the f333ing noise. I have leaned on a lot of stuff to try and nail this sound and the closest I find and interpet is the rocker arms moving sideways on the shaft. When you hear it, its so severe that I'm stunned I cant nail the source. I know sounds thru an engine can play tricks on ya anybody been here and back Please help!
 RE: So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m] -- giacamo, 05/01/2004
Jay check your valve guides, if the guides were not trimmed where they go in the ports, and left protruding (especially on the exhaust side) then they will gall to the valve and cause more rapid wear, making the valves noisey and driving you nuts.maybe this will help..........?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21338&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dave, <i>05/04/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Well here it goes and whats gonna suck is I wont be able to hear all the "ooohhs "and  "ahhhh that hurts" as all you guys read this but I will Imagine them. My only solice thru all this is that I created this problem by racing a wicked  427 black stingray .....spanked him once real good and I dont think he was ready for the bite of "The MadMerc" for the second time he was sure he just took it too easy and tried again. Well you will all be happy to know the only thing missing was the theme from "Rocky" as "Grandmas car with a scoop" tarred and feathered that Vette in front of three of his bowtie buddies. Thats when it started ...lightly at first just like the FE will do when you pound it harder then youre setup will handle and you wait for the lifters to pump back up......only the noise never left......so as far as the phrase "Spending moneey needlessly goes....well.....I'm on the cover this month!...Like there is any extra money after re-building a 428 4 speed XR-7. I'm an aircraft mechanic by trade and have been messin with Fe's since I got my first Big Block cat in the 11th grade.  Which of course means I should have known better. OK lets get busy....Adjust the rockers three or four times...1/2 to 3/4 of a turn on adjustables has ALWAYS worked on my other hydraulic cams but now I'm gonna throw all I have learned out the window cause I'm reading conflicting info on Forums and I dont want to face the fact that I could have screwed up such a nice package by street racing. OK Ok adjusting the valves is no help. I pull the intake and buy replacement lifters and a set of those $26.00 3/8 pushrods off of e-bay. I pull out the 11/32 pushrods and none are bent. I pull all the lifters and no evidence of any damage to any lifter. I did notice where one of the pushrod cups had been hitting a casting imperfection on one of the rockers and one rocker that was binding slightly when rotated past normal travel. Hey could be it, right? SSSurvey SEZ......NNNaaaaa OK OK lets spend more money replace both rocker sshaft assys with new single hole type from Clevite....new, not re-built. Put the intake (F-427) back on and by the way those "hi-PO" FelPro CJ printo-seal intake gaskets had both failed in the area between the exhaust crossover and the nearest intake runner. Well I have found part of the reason for oil consumption! Hey a bonus right. Bolt it all back together runs good for aprox 2-3 mins and the knock is back! OK OK lets stay busy "Can we Fix it? Yes we can!" Those of you with 3 year olds get the reference. Pull the fuel pump off, block off the mout pad, punch a hole in the bottom of a cofffe can, fill the can w/gas put it on a ladder next to the car w a length of fuel line to gravity feed the carb and run the engine. Good plan, good execution of said plan engine still knocks. Re-install fuel pump. I decided to re-visit the items I worked on just before I started to hear the knock. I had a starter goin bad so I figured I would re-place it and use the opportunity to install a heat blanket on the new one since the FPA tri-y headers were giving me hot start problems...soo.....Jack the car and pull the flywheel insp cover. Find that the ring gear has been grinding a groove into the nose casting of the starter ! OK OK pull the starter and modify as required to provide adequate clearance re-install starter w/high hopes that its fixed..SSurvey SEZ  NNaaaa!  Man this is frustrating not being able to locate the sound. Lets pull the oil pan/windage tray down and have a look. Oh yeah GRITS is on the menu, silver and gold nuggets in the oil pan. Pull down one main bearing cap and one con-rod cap and much too my suprise they are both standard size. Read here about a few guys that have had  oil pumps make noise, High Volume Melling pump $36.00 from Summit plus two each oil pan gaskets and of course since I 'm getting stuff from summit may as well get the ARP oil pump drive shaft for $19.00 s while I'm paying shipping. Find a guy with a business named "Storm Crankshaft" in Mt.Vernon and he has a set of STD main and rod bearings in stock.....LETS ROCK! Drive to Mt. Vernon and the guy is super nice and very professional. Knocks $15.00 off the price of the bearings when I tell him my srrid tale. I asked him about the tool the shop manual instructs you to use to replace main bearings with out removing the crank, he grabs a paper bag and starts filling it up with rod bolt covers and the little tool you slide into the crank oiling hole to push the bearing out. Cool so...leave ol Ben Franklin on the counter and head for "Joes Garage" Re-place all the main bearings first and they look fine. Next morning start re-placing rod bearings in numerical order and not finding any signs of a problem start freakin aboout where this noise could be originating.....then just as it should be I find rod #8 and a spun bearing!  At this point I'm actually happy cause at least I now know what the sound .......um   should be. Its now 2:30 a.m and I wont go down so I install the new oil pump and the oil pan/windage tray and decide to leave the pliug install and re-fire to the next day.......OK OK  its..............right...next day.... prime the oil pump which sounds all wrong and never loads up the hand drill but in my rush to find if the noise is gone re-install dist and fire it up. OH geez   its WORSE!  and no oil pressure! Good Grief....drop the pan again  put the oil pump in the drain pan and spin it with the drill......just a gurgling sound and a sputter from the output of the pump. So turns out "Mr.Work till I,m blind" screwed up mounting the oil pump pickup tube and the gasket was displaced....OH man ,,,put it all back together prime the oil pump with the drill this time the drill loads up oil flows and the drill almost smoke checks from driving the pump  as it should ......start it up  NO KNOCK............whooo hooo! Im sooo happy ....let it run for aprox 15 mins..........and the knock is back ! WWAAAAAAHHHH! so now I'm waiting for .001 and .002 undersized bearings which the guy at Storm Crankshaft is getting for me and I will try that before dropping my Battle Axe and primming the cylinder on my engine hoist so ther you haave it,,,,,,,I hate to fu*&%ng type but I have lurked around here enough and been helped enough that I felt this tale should be told. I pick up the bearings tommorrow and will f </blockquote> RE: So, the noise started after ~1K miles on rebuild? [n/m] -- dave, 05/04/2004
Well here it goes and whats gonna suck is I wont be able to hear all the "ooohhs "and "ahhhh that hurts" as all you guys read this but I will Imagine them. My only solice thru all this is that I created this problem by racing a wicked 427 black stingray .....spanked him once real good and I dont think he was ready for the bite of "The MadMerc" for the second time he was sure he just took it too easy and tried again. Well you will all be happy to know the only thing missing was the theme from "Rocky" as "Grandmas car with a scoop" tarred and feathered that Vette in front of three of his bowtie buddies. Thats when it started ...lightly at first just like the FE will do when you pound it harder then youre setup will handle and you wait for the lifters to pump back up......only the noise never left......so as far as the phrase "Spending moneey needlessly goes....well.....I'm on the cover this month!...Like there is any extra money after re-building a 428 4 speed XR-7. I'm an aircraft mechanic by trade and have been messin with Fe's since I got my first Big Block cat in the 11th grade. Which of course means I should have known better. OK lets get busy....Adjust the rockers three or four times...1/2 to 3/4 of a turn on adjustables has ALWAYS worked on my other hydraulic cams but now I'm gonna throw all I have learned out the window cause I'm reading conflicting info on Forums and I dont want to face the fact that I could have screwed up such a nice package by street racing. OK Ok adjusting the valves is no help. I pull the intake and buy replacement lifters and a set of those $26.00 3/8 pushrods off of e-bay. I pull out the 11/32 pushrods and none are bent. I pull all the lifters and no evidence of any damage to any lifter. I did notice where one of the pushrod cups had been hitting a casting imperfection on one of the rockers and one rocker that was binding slightly when rotated past normal travel. Hey could be it, right? SSSurvey SEZ......NNNaaaaa OK OK lets spend more money replace both rocker sshaft assys with new single hole type from Clevite....new, not re-built. Put the intake (F-427) back on and by the way those "hi-PO" FelPro CJ printo-seal intake gaskets had both failed in the area between the exhaust crossover and the nearest intake runner. Well I have found part of the reason for oil consumption! Hey a bonus right. Bolt it all back together runs good for aprox 2-3 mins and the knock is back! OK OK lets stay busy "Can we Fix it? Yes we can!" Those of you with 3 year olds get the reference. Pull the fuel pump off, block off the mout pad, punch a hole in the bottom of a cofffe can, fill the can w/gas put it on a ladder next to the car w a length of fuel line to gravity feed the carb and run the engine. Good plan, good execution of said plan engine still knocks. Re-install fuel pump. I decided to re-visit the items I worked on just before I started to hear the knock. I had a starter goin bad so I figured I would re-place it and use the opportunity to install a heat blanket on the new one since the FPA tri-y headers were giving me hot start problems...soo.....Jack the car and pull the flywheel insp cover. Find that the ring gear has been grinding a groove into the nose casting of the starter ! OK OK pull the starter and modify as required to provide adequate clearance re-install starter w/high hopes that its fixed..SSurvey SEZ NNaaaa! Man this is frustrating not being able to locate the sound. Lets pull the oil pan/windage tray down and have a look. Oh yeah GRITS is on the menu, silver and gold nuggets in the oil pan. Pull down one main bearing cap and one con-rod cap and much too my suprise they are both standard size. Read here about a few guys that have had oil pumps make noise, High Volume Melling pump $36.00 from Summit plus two each oil pan gaskets and of course since I 'm getting stuff from summit may as well get the ARP oil pump drive shaft for $19.00 s while I'm paying shipping. Find a guy with a business named "Storm Crankshaft" in Mt.Vernon and he has a set of STD main and rod bearings in stock.....LETS ROCK! Drive to Mt. Vernon and the guy is super nice and very professional. Knocks $15.00 off the price of the bearings when I tell him my srrid tale. I asked him about the tool the shop manual instructs you to use to replace main bearings with out removing the crank, he grabs a paper bag and starts filling it up with rod bolt covers and the little tool you slide into the crank oiling hole to push the bearing out. Cool so...leave ol Ben Franklin on the counter and head for "Joes Garage" Re-place all the main bearings first and they look fine. Next morning start re-placing rod bearings in numerical order and not finding any signs of a problem start freakin aboout where this noise could be originating.....then just as it should be I find rod #8 and a spun bearing! At this point I'm actually happy cause at least I now know what the sound .......um should be. Its now 2:30 a.m and I wont go down so I install the new oil pump and the oil pan/windage tray and decide to leave the pliug install and re-fire to the next day.......OK OK its..............right...next day.... prime the oil pump which sounds all wrong and never loads up the hand drill but in my rush to find if the noise is gone re-install dist and fire it up. OH geez its WORSE! and no oil pressure! Good Grief....drop the pan again put the oil pump in the drain pan and spin it with the drill......just a gurgling sound and a sputter from the output of the pump. So turns out "Mr.Work till I,m blind" screwed up mounting the oil pump pickup tube and the gasket was displaced....OH man ,,,put it all back together prime the oil pump with the drill this time the drill loads up oil flows and the drill almost smoke checks from driving the pump as it should ......start it up NO KNOCK............whooo hooo! Im sooo happy ....let it run for aprox 15 mins..........and the knock is back ! WWAAAAAAHHHH! so now I'm waiting for .001 and .002 undersized bearings which the guy at Storm Crankshaft is getting for me and I will try that before dropping my Battle Axe and primming the cylinder on my engine hoist so ther you haave it,,,,,,,I hate to fu*&%ng type but I have lurked around here enough and been helped enough that I felt this tale should be told. I pick up the bearings tommorrow and will f
 Dave, are you bumping into the Forum's text-limit? [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/09/2004
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21226&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: FE Noise</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jay, <i>04/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I had a cam bolt back out one time and the fuel pump eccentric just slopped around. Took me awhile to figure it out.  Sorry your having problems, wish I could help. Are you running alot of lift with roller rockers? I have a set of chrome power by ford covers that the baffles were removed in to clear the Harland sharp rockers.  </blockquote> RE: FE Noise -- Jay, 04/29/2004
I had a cam bolt back out one time and the fuel pump eccentric just slopped around. Took me awhile to figure it out. Sorry your having problems, wish I could help. Are you running alot of lift with roller rockers? I have a set of chrome power by ford covers that the baffles were removed in to clear the Harland sharp rockers.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21253&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: FE Noise</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>David, <i>05/02/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote> 2 things"<br>1 if you are concerned that the rockers are sliding over I would recomend that you order a rocker arm spacer kit from PAW that<br>replaces the rocker arm springs. Even if you<br>are not concerned about that I would still recomend getting that kit anyway. It is only about $40. I bought the kit to install on my<br>'68 S code 390 GT engine that I am finally able to & am now rebuilding/assembling.<br> <br> 2 When I got my '68 Torino I noticed a knocking noise comming from the front of the engine. I found that a previous owner (I say this because I have no history on the car)<br>had installed an AC Delco replacement fuel<br>pump, this is not the issue the issue is that the pump they put in was for a Small Block & thus<br>the pump arm is shaped different than the FE arm. I replaced it with a new & corect Carter pump from NAPA and the Carter part # is the same as the Carter pump that Ford installed on the motor from the factory. This eliminated a lot of the knocking noises I was getting. The rest of the knocking noise was because the engine was extreamly tired & needed a total rebuild in a very bad way. <br> Just another thought.. Did you happen to have something drop down the intake that could have found it's way into a cylinder?<br><br>PS: Dave where in NY are you from? I am in the Western NY area. </blockquote> RE: FE Noise -- David, 05/02/2004
2 things"
1 if you are concerned that the rockers are sliding over I would recomend that you order a rocker arm spacer kit from PAW that
replaces the rocker arm springs. Even if you
are not concerned about that I would still recomend getting that kit anyway. It is only about $40. I bought the kit to install on my
'68 S code 390 GT engine that I am finally able to & am now rebuilding/assembling.

2 When I got my '68 Torino I noticed a knocking noise comming from the front of the engine. I found that a previous owner (I say this because I have no history on the car)
had installed an AC Delco replacement fuel
pump, this is not the issue the issue is that the pump they put in was for a Small Block & thus
the pump arm is shaped different than the FE arm. I replaced it with a new & corect Carter pump from NAPA and the Carter part # is the same as the Carter pump that Ford installed on the motor from the factory. This eliminated a lot of the knocking noises I was getting. The rest of the knocking noise was because the engine was extreamly tired & needed a total rebuild in a very bad way.
Just another thought.. Did you happen to have something drop down the intake that could have found it's way into a cylinder?

PS: Dave where in NY are you from? I am in the Western NY area.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21309&Reply=21134><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I agree with David</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>05/03/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Weak or collapsed rocker spring spacers are common.  Get solid spacers and the pushrod won't move around.  Mind you, I am assuming the source of your noise is what you've found.  Or, get a new or known good spring and replace it against the rocker in quesiton to test the theory before spending money needlessly. </blockquote> I agree with David -- John, 05/03/2004
Weak or collapsed rocker spring spacers are common. Get solid spacers and the pushrod won't move around. Mind you, I am assuming the source of your noise is what you've found. Or, get a new or known good spring and replace it against the rocker in quesiton to test the theory before spending money needlessly.
  knocking -- Davy Gurley, 05/08/2004
I had a 302 that did this to me one time and it turned out to be a piston wrist pin in contact with cylinder wall. Just barely in contact but enough to cause me to have to sleeve it. It showed up after a bit of street competition, too. It sounds to me like you are fixated on the valve train and it may not be there.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21122&Reply=21122><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>1969 Mustang Mach1 Options</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Davis Starr, <i>04/21/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Bought a 69 mach 1 I am wonder if the car is correct. The car has pb.ps,rear spoiler,louvers,gt type wheels, tilt rim blow, posi 9 in,351w with a shaker,air cond. manual choke,8 track door mt spk. Is this car correct? help. </blockquote> 1969 Mustang Mach1 Options -- Davis Starr, 04/21/2004
Bought a 69 mach 1 I am wonder if the car is correct. The car has pb.ps,rear spoiler,louvers,gt type wheels, tilt rim blow, posi 9 in,351w with a shaker,air cond. manual choke,8 track door mt spk. Is this car correct? help.
 RE: 1969 Mustang Mach1 Options -- McQ, 04/22/2004
It sounds possibly correct except the manual choke on the carb. And that carb should be an Motorcraft. But I believe the 351W/4V 290 horse had an automatic choke.

The car should also be a later '69 production(actual date I'm not positive on) because the shaker cold air induction system was not available for the 351W until mid year.
 Here's the best & cheapest way to be absolutely certain... -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
http://fomoco.com/vinreports.htm
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21116&Reply=21116><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>posting pics, id needed on 390 parts</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>67stang, <i>04/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i have 2 parts that i just found in my cabinents that i got when i bought my 64 gaaxie with 390, i do not see any ford part numbers on them , one is some sort of bracket,  no idea what,  the other is a throttle linkage set-up that bolts to rear of intake,  again no ford part numbers,  can send pics to anyone,  just not sure if can be posted here,  may be of some interest to someone<br><br>e-mail at glennz@wideopenwest.com<br><br>thnaks<br><br>glenn z </blockquote> posting pics, id needed on 390 parts -- 67stang, 04/20/2004
i have 2 parts that i just found in my cabinents that i got when i bought my 64 gaaxie with 390, i do not see any ford part numbers on them , one is some sort of bracket, no idea what, the other is a throttle linkage set-up that bolts to rear of intake, again no ford part numbers, can send pics to anyone, just not sure if can be posted here, may be of some interest to someone

e-mail at glennz@wideopenwest.com

thnaks

glenn z
 'Fulcrum' throttle linkage is consistent with '64 full-size. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21114&Reply=21114><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff  B, <i>04/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just bought a 69 mach I with a 427 the only casting numbers I can find are 12-dif, 427 under it 66, 52 under it 352, and and some numbers I cant make out, but appear to be iwi, a backward c a17. I can't find anything that looks like a part #. Where would this be found and how can I identify if the block is a side oiler or top oiler I was tould when I bought it that its a top oiler but the guy rebuilding it says its a side oiler how can I tell. Thanks in advance<br>Jeff </blockquote> 427 -- Jeff B, 04/20/2004
Just bought a 69 mach I with a 427 the only casting numbers I can find are 12-dif, 427 under it 66, 52 under it 352, and and some numbers I cant make out, but appear to be iwi, a backward c a17. I can't find anything that looks like a part #. Where would this be found and how can I identify if the block is a side oiler or top oiler I was tould when I bought it that its a top oiler but the guy rebuilding it says its a side oiler how can I tell. Thanks in advance
Jeff
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21115&Reply=21114><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>04/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>On the driver's side, look above the three  main cap cross bolts for three small allen head screw in plugs.<br><br>Damn you're lucky!  :) </blockquote> Re: 427 -- Barry B, 04/20/2004
On the driver's side, look above the three main cap cross bolts for three small allen head screw in plugs.

Damn you're lucky! :)
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21119&Reply=21114><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chad, <i>04/21/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Is the car an original 428 CJ car? Just curious. </blockquote> RE: Re: 427 -- Chad, 04/21/2004
Is the car an original 428 CJ car? Just curious.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21121&Reply=21114><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff  B, <i>04/21/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>No its an M code car. It has 428cj aluminum heads. The previous owner said 427 heads wouldn't fit. </blockquote> RE: Re: 427 -- Jeff B, 04/21/2004
No its an M code car. It has 428cj aluminum heads. The previous owner said 427 heads wouldn't fit.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21125&Reply=21114><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>CHAD, <i>04/21/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am still jealous. 427 heads should be able to fit without a problem. I have seen several 1967-1970 Mustangs with both low-riser and medium riser heads without any type of modification. </blockquote> RE: Re: 427 -- CHAD, 04/21/2004
I am still jealous. 427 heads should be able to fit without a problem. I have seen several 1967-1970 Mustangs with both low-riser and medium riser heads without any type of modification.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21183&Reply=21114><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff  B, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>talked to a very knowledgeable ford man today and he  told me my 427 didn't have casting numbers because it came out of a cris craft boat. Makes sense just thought I would post this for everyone who may have been curios thanks for the replies </blockquote> RE: Re: 427 -- Jeff B, 04/26/2004
talked to a very knowledgeable ford man today and he told me my 427 didn't have casting numbers because it came out of a cris craft boat. Makes sense just thought I would post this for everyone who may have been curios thanks for the replies
 Actually...... -- Royce, 04/27/2004
Most '68 model year and later 428CJ's did not have casting numbers either. Many '68 and later 427 blocks also did not have a casting ID number. Those that did had C8AE-A on the passenger side behind the alternator. Very hard to see unless you remove the alternator. Has nothing to do with boat 427's, this is a common fact with many post - 1967 FE blocks.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21113&Reply=21113><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>leaky exhaust. and rear shocks.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jeff jones, <i>04/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>1st, my 67 gal.500 w/390 ci. 2v.   pass. side exhaust leak at flange. felpro has 2 numbers, # 60985 sintered metal. and #  8194, which one to use? also any hints on loosing bolts? 2nd, rear top shock bolts just spin when i put a wrench on them,tried putting a pipe wrench on top of shock tube,still will not hold, i do not want to use a torch account of fuel tank,any suggestions. </blockquote> leaky exhaust. and rear shocks. -- jeff jones, 04/20/2004
1st, my 67 gal.500 w/390 ci. 2v. pass. side exhaust leak at flange. felpro has 2 numbers, # 60985 sintered metal. and # 8194, which one to use? also any hints on loosing bolts? 2nd, rear top shock bolts just spin when i put a wrench on them,tried putting a pipe wrench on top of shock tube,still will not hold, i do not want to use a torch account of fuel tank,any suggestions.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21110&Reply=21110><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Compression ratio</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff, <i>04/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am considering a set of flat top pistons for my 427 that call for a 10.6:1 compression ratio with a 73cc combustion chamber.  I am using the Edelbrock alum. heads that have a 76cc combustion chamber.  How much does this lower the compression ratio?  Thanks for your help.    </blockquote> Compression ratio -- Jeff, 04/20/2004
I am considering a set of flat top pistons for my 427 that call for a 10.6:1 compression ratio with a 73cc combustion chamber. I am using the Edelbrock alum. heads that have a 76cc combustion chamber. How much does this lower the compression ratio? Thanks for your help.
 All else equal, I'd say a ~4% 'cc' increase = ~4% c/r drop. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21109&Reply=21109><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>edelbrock performer cam-  change springs?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>joe, <i>04/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have recently installed an edelbrock performer cam in my 390 but did not change the valve springs because they looked pretty stock.  But I got to look at them both side by side and the ones on there now do look slightly thicker.  I've driven about 50 miles but I have no way of knowing if I'm hurting the cam. I would like not to have to change the springs if I don't have to,   Thanks </blockquote> edelbrock performer cam- change springs? -- joe, 04/20/2004
I have recently installed an edelbrock performer cam in my 390 but did not change the valve springs because they looked pretty stock. But I got to look at them both side by side and the ones on there now do look slightly thicker. I've driven about 50 miles but I have no way of knowing if I'm hurting the cam. I would like not to have to change the springs if I don't have to, Thanks
 RE: edelbrock performer cam- change springs? -- steve, 04/24/2004
Whenever you replace the cam with a different cam you should always replace the springs with the ones that match that cam or cam life will usually be reduced.Hope this helps.
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