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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19320&Reply=19320><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FE Roller</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Hank, <i>11/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'm thinkig about running a Crane hydraulic roller cam (with about 600" lift) in a street/strip 390 and am wondering of any pros and cons in doing so.<br>I have recently read in this forum that with some roller cams on street driven FEs the lifters don't last long is this T/F ?<br>Also what rocker arms shoud I run with this<br>set up?<br>Thank You, Hank </blockquote> FE Roller -- Hank, 11/24/2003
I'm thinkig about running a Crane hydraulic roller cam (with about 600" lift) in a street/strip 390 and am wondering of any pros and cons in doing so.
I have recently read in this forum that with some roller cams on street driven FEs the lifters don't last long is this T/F ?
Also what rocker arms shoud I run with this
set up?
Thank You, Hank
 RE: FE Roller -- 390ranger, 11/25/2003
I heard that the springs crane recommends wont rev above 5500. extra weight of the lifters and all. I can't prove it just what i heard
 Wilson Intake Spacers -- bprewit, 11/24/2003
Has anyone tried these spacers? They are pricey as hell but have read lots of good things about them.
http://www.wilsonmanifolds.com/
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19310&Reply=19310><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Almost finished with Torino!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>bprewit, <i>11/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Well as usual I blow things out of proportion on my projects. A simple rebuilt 390 to fit in my '69 torino went a bit out of control. So now the engine has full ARP hardware, including main studs, head studs, wavelock rod bolts, rocker arm studs, forged pistons, early model '64 390 heads ported and polished, cut for biggest valves that would fit, edelbrock cam (not sure about the performer rpm but will find out) Harland Sharp roller rockers, rocker shafts, stands and solid spacers, ford racing windage tray, mildon pan and valve covers, and a old edelbrock streetmaster intake with intake ports cut to match heads, 1" spacer, and brodrix turtle in plenum. factory distributor with petronix ignition, msd coil, talor wires, and last but not least a good rebuilt 750 holley vacuum secondary. I rebuilt the tranny with TCI kit, added a TCI streetfighter convertor, and dynomax bullet race mufflers with H-pipe and 3" exhaust all the way through exiting in front of rear tires. New carpet and a few other things in interior to make it nice, fit tach into clock opening in dash, and good gauges. I also completly rebuilt the front end, adding front disks off a '71 torino and even new springs to handle the bigger engine. I still need tires, 3.89 gears in the rear, and FPA's tri-y headers. I have no clue as to how the engine will run, I know comp ratio calculates to be about 10.5:1 but hoping it will be a decent hot rod. I am going to have to sell a kidney to pay off credit cards after all this but hopefully will have a fun car to drive with a fairly strong engine. I wonder what hp I will be looking at? Any ideas or suggestions?  </blockquote> Almost finished with Torino! -- bprewit, 11/24/2003
Well as usual I blow things out of proportion on my projects. A simple rebuilt 390 to fit in my '69 torino went a bit out of control. So now the engine has full ARP hardware, including main studs, head studs, wavelock rod bolts, rocker arm studs, forged pistons, early model '64 390 heads ported and polished, cut for biggest valves that would fit, edelbrock cam (not sure about the performer rpm but will find out) Harland Sharp roller rockers, rocker shafts, stands and solid spacers, ford racing windage tray, mildon pan and valve covers, and a old edelbrock streetmaster intake with intake ports cut to match heads, 1" spacer, and brodrix turtle in plenum. factory distributor with petronix ignition, msd coil, talor wires, and last but not least a good rebuilt 750 holley vacuum secondary. I rebuilt the tranny with TCI kit, added a TCI streetfighter convertor, and dynomax bullet race mufflers with H-pipe and 3" exhaust all the way through exiting in front of rear tires. New carpet and a few other things in interior to make it nice, fit tach into clock opening in dash, and good gauges. I also completly rebuilt the front end, adding front disks off a '71 torino and even new springs to handle the bigger engine. I still need tires, 3.89 gears in the rear, and FPA's tri-y headers. I have no clue as to how the engine will run, I know comp ratio calculates to be about 10.5:1 but hoping it will be a decent hot rod. I am going to have to sell a kidney to pay off credit cards after all this but hopefully will have a fun car to drive with a fairly strong engine. I wonder what hp I will be looking at? Any ideas or suggestions?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19315&Reply=19310><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Almost finished with Torino!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>11/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>400 to450 hp? you may go to deeper gears for 1/4 mile roumps?sounds like a real decent combo. </blockquote> RE: Almost finished with Torino! -- giacamo, 11/24/2003
400 to450 hp? you may go to deeper gears for 1/4 mile roumps?sounds like a real decent combo.
 RE: Almost finished with Torino! -- barry d, 01/31/2006
who or where did you get the rocker arm studs from?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19307&Reply=19307><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>fe valves</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>wfo ford, <i>11/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>do the valves come in different lengths.trying to make a deal on some parts. the new  valves are the correct diameter stem but they are shorter than a valve i pulled out of one of my other old heads? </blockquote> fe valves -- wfo ford, 11/23/2003
do the valves come in different lengths.trying to make a deal on some parts. the new valves are the correct diameter stem but they are shorter than a valve i pulled out of one of my other old heads?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19318&Reply=19307><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: fe valves</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>11/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>please post some head numbers. may be the tips wear bad? and wear ground down for lash caps? </blockquote> RE: fe valves -- giacamo, 11/24/2003
please post some head numbers. may be the tips wear bad? and wear ground down for lash caps?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19330&Reply=19307><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: fe valves</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>wfo ford, <i>11/26/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>1st head is 427 low rise c3ae 6090 d. 2nd head (had laying around) is c4ae 6090 g. pulled valve out of second head to see if it matched a new valve the guy is trieng to sell me with the 427 head. the new valve is shorter.do hydraulic and solid lifters requier different size valves stems? </blockquote> RE: fe valves -- wfo ford, 11/26/2003
1st head is 427 low rise c3ae 6090 d. 2nd head (had laying around) is c4ae 6090 g. pulled valve out of second head to see if it matched a new valve the guy is trieng to sell me with the 427 head. the new valve is shorter.do hydraulic and solid lifters requier different size valves stems?
 RE: fe valves -- giacamo, 11/27/2003
hydraulic @ solids should use the same size. the stems may very thay make over size stems with the same size heads on them.insted of installing gides the shop would just ream and install new valves.the thing that,s got me confused is the shorter valves? the only shorter valves i,v sean was on a basterized set of heads wear cheavy b block valves. some one instaled and ripped a buddy of mine off. if the castings has the same ports and cc,s i,d toss the valves&springs and by as a bare set.thease heads you have listed i feal don,t have any thing special going for them over the standerd pre 65 fe heads so i,d by cheap just to have a set of bare castings around.....
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19306&Reply=19306><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>whats the going price for a ordinary , good  428?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>no CJ's , just plain 428's.  OK, police interceptors too.  Also, are there any quick obvious clues to positively identify a 428?<br>thanks </blockquote> whats the going price for a ordinary , good 428? -- blinker, 11/23/2003
no CJ's , just plain 428's. OK, police interceptors too. Also, are there any quick obvious clues to positively identify a 428?
thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19317&Reply=19306><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: whats the going price for a ordinary , good  428?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>11/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Blinker try to by cheep if you can.t inspect it.My self i.m a pretty cheap basterd i try to by for under $300........ </blockquote> RE: whats the going price for a ordinary , good 428? -- giacamo, 11/24/2003
Blinker try to by cheep if you can.t inspect it.My self i.m a pretty cheap basterd i try to by for under $300........
 RE: whats the going price for a ordinary , good 428? -- Tim, 11/25/2003
Well $300 is pretty damn cheap!! but the best way to tell if actually a 428 is th scratched "A" cast int the back of the block, behind the flywheel, and the flywheel will be balanced also.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19305&Reply=19305><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>GE Silicone II  ...'da bomb!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Geoff McNew, <i>11/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>My midget-racer buddy turned me on to this stuff for my block end-cork sealing problem.<br><br>GE Silicone II for aluminum & metal.  You can get it OSH, Home Depot, etc.  Comes in tubes for your calk gun.  Good to 400F.  Sets up semi-hard, but can be removed a lot easier than "yellow death".<br><br>Gaerte Racing Engines uses it...it's gotta be good.<br><br><a href="http://www.gesealants.com/sealants/diy/portfolio/silicones/silicone2.shtml">http://www.gesealants.com/sealants/diy/portfolio/silicones/silicone2.shtml</a>    </blockquote> GE Silicone II ...'da bomb! -- Geoff McNew, 11/23/2003
My midget-racer buddy turned me on to this stuff for my block end-cork sealing problem.

GE Silicone II for aluminum & metal. You can get it OSH, Home Depot, etc. Comes in tubes for your calk gun. Good to 400F. Sets up semi-hard, but can be removed a lot easier than "yellow death".

Gaerte Racing Engines uses it...it's gotta be good.

http://www.gesealants.com/sealants/diy/portfolio/silicones/silicone2.shtml
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19308&Reply=19305><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Good prep is everything</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I use the stuff on structural glass and other construction applications, and the secret is to degrease every speck of oil off the substrate, and then the stuff will grab like there's no tomorrow.  Use a carb cleaner and something "hot" like acetone for a wipe down prior to putting on a silicone, and this will keep it from slipping out or off like weve all seen in the past, when applied to something that has an invisible film of oil on it.<br><br>P </blockquote> Good prep is everything -- P, 11/23/2003
I use the stuff on structural glass and other construction applications, and the secret is to degrease every speck of oil off the substrate, and then the stuff will grab like there's no tomorrow. Use a carb cleaner and something "hot" like acetone for a wipe down prior to putting on a silicone, and this will keep it from slipping out or off like weve all seen in the past, when applied to something that has an invisible film of oil on it.

P
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19309&Reply=19305><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Good prep is everything</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Geoff McNew, <i>11/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>GE...we bring good things to light! </blockquote> RE: Good prep is everything -- Geoff McNew, 11/23/2003
GE...we bring good things to light!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19313&Reply=19305><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Good prep</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>P, <i>11/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>With the primer used for structural glass applications, it's impossible to get the silicone off the glass even with a razor blade.  It grabs that good, right down to the molecular level.  Pretty awesome space-age product when used properly.<br><br>Most of us have seen silicone that won't stick to a motor, but it's because the surface wasn't properly cleaned and had oil on it.  :-)<br><br><br>P </blockquote> RE: Good prep -- P, 11/24/2003
With the primer used for structural glass applications, it's impossible to get the silicone off the glass even with a razor blade. It grabs that good, right down to the molecular level. Pretty awesome space-age product when used properly.

Most of us have seen silicone that won't stick to a motor, but it's because the surface wasn't properly cleaned and had oil on it. :-)


P
 RE: Good prep -- Geoff McNew, 11/30/2003
O.K., now you're scaring me...and on a holiday weekend too boot!...it becomes one with glass?

From the looks of it, I think this is the stuff my Philly Gear folks have used on boxes for years...of course, thorough prep never ever got in the way...yet, we had relatively few "leakers" in the field....and on big stuff too...gear drives the size of pianos, 10" to 14" dia. output shafts between bearings, 40'-50' cantilevered shafts, 120,000 lb-ft torque continuous, plus a 1.5-2.0 service factor...350, 400, 500 HP thermal loads...often at elevation. I'm gonna give the silver goo a shot!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19297&Reply=19297><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>heater not working</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mary detlefsen, <i>11/22/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 65 mustang w/ a 289.  We replaced the heater core last year & everything worked fine.  This year we put in a new engine, larger radiator, & flex fan to help the engine run cooler in the summer.  Now the blower motor works fine but i get no hot air.  We've checked & there is water circulation thru the heater core & the doors in the plenum are working fine.  Can you give me an idea of what to check next?  Thanks.  <br><br>                                         Mary <br> </blockquote> heater not working -- mary detlefsen, 11/22/2003
I have a 65 mustang w/ a 289. We replaced the heater core last year & everything worked fine. This year we put in a new engine, larger radiator, & flex fan to help the engine run cooler in the summer. Now the blower motor works fine but i get no hot air. We've checked & there is water circulation thru the heater core & the doors in the plenum are working fine. Can you give me an idea of what to check next? Thanks.

Mary
 RE: heater not working -- John, 11/22/2003
Sounds like an air lock.....remove the rad cap, turn the heater control up high, and run the engine for a while to ensure the thermostat opens. This will remove air from teh heater core. Also, you didn't take the thermostat out did you? Bad idea. In case all of this is wrong, does the temp gauge indicate in the middle of the range as normal? Maybe the thermostat is stuck open.
 RE: heater not working -- giacamo, 11/24/2003
Mary check if you have a alu spacer under your carb that the water goes through it might be clouged?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19295&Reply=19295><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>11/22/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Some guys on another forum seem disappointed with the low-mid 14's they run with their 429 CJ's.  Isn't that about where a 4 speed 390 would run? </blockquote> 390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ? -- blinker, 11/22/2003
Some guys on another forum seem disappointed with the low-mid 14's they run with their 429 CJ's. Isn't that about where a 4 speed 390 would run?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19301&Reply=19295><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>11/22/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote> my 1969 390 solid lifter powerd cyclone tops the 1/4 best times in the 12,s at 7000 rpm,s the 429,s are no slouch but for the money i,l stick with the fe,s </blockquote> RE: 390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ? -- giacamo, 11/22/2003
my 1969 390 solid lifter powerd cyclone tops the 1/4 best times in the 12,s at 7000 rpm,s the 429,s are no slouch but for the money i,l stick with the fe,s
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19303&Reply=19295><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>11/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>You like to stir things up don'tcha Blinker! Actually I don't mind especially when it allows me to blow some hot air about the lackluster 390GT.<br><br>But first I want to compliment giacomo's fine times/mph with his built 390 '69 Cyclone.  That certainly ain't no '69 390 IP.  <br><br>A stock, standard, non-prepped 390GT/4 speed, '66 - '68, would run low 15's/high 14's  but with a good driver, i.e., "Fast Eddie" Schartman, traction bars, 4.11s, cheater slicks, and a little fine tuning, a 390GT/4 speed car could dip into the low 14's/high 13's.  With a little deeper work like cc'ing the heads, basic blueprinting, the high 12's were attainable.<br><br>A stock, standard, non-prepped 429CJ/4 speed car could easily hit mid/low 14's.  From my personal experience/observations, the standard 429CJ would generally out perform the 429SCJ.  The hot trick back in '70-'71 was to replace the solid lifter SCJ cam with the better performing hydraulic CJ cam.  But there I go talking about 429's and I don't like to talk about them very much.<br><br>I'm with giacomo, I like spending my scratch on the old Ford big block designed back in the fifties when FoMoCo engine engineers weren't spying on the boys at GM.<br><br>Oh gawd I'm going to get flamed for saying that but what the hey.  Sometimes you gotta say whatyathink. </blockquote> RE: 390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ? -- McQ, 11/23/2003
You like to stir things up don'tcha Blinker! Actually I don't mind especially when it allows me to blow some hot air about the lackluster 390GT.

But first I want to compliment giacomo's fine times/mph with his built 390 '69 Cyclone. That certainly ain't no '69 390 IP.

A stock, standard, non-prepped 390GT/4 speed, '66 - '68, would run low 15's/high 14's but with a good driver, i.e., "Fast Eddie" Schartman, traction bars, 4.11s, cheater slicks, and a little fine tuning, a 390GT/4 speed car could dip into the low 14's/high 13's. With a little deeper work like cc'ing the heads, basic blueprinting, the high 12's were attainable.

A stock, standard, non-prepped 429CJ/4 speed car could easily hit mid/low 14's. From my personal experience/observations, the standard 429CJ would generally out perform the 429SCJ. The hot trick back in '70-'71 was to replace the solid lifter SCJ cam with the better performing hydraulic CJ cam. But there I go talking about 429's and I don't like to talk about them very much.

I'm with giacomo, I like spending my scratch on the old Ford big block designed back in the fifties when FoMoCo engine engineers weren't spying on the boys at GM.

Oh gawd I'm going to get flamed for saying that but what the hey. Sometimes you gotta say whatyathink.
 RE: 390 GT 4 speed as quick as a 429 CJ? -- mikee likee, 11/23/2003
I agree with Mr Q. I like FE engines because many people say they can't do this or that, and when you blow some brand x doors off it makes me feel all tingly. But 7000 rpm's Giacomo wow. That ain't no stocker you pulled out the junkyard.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19293&Reply=19293><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Mr. Gasket 202A Intake??  MedRis</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Geoff McNew, <i>11/22/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Is this a good intake gasket for Edelbrock heads?  I haven't had the Fel-Pro 1247 problem people have previously posted..I kinda like 'em, but the Victor Renz things I bought look more like exhaust donuts than a precision intake gasket.  Hunting for something better. </blockquote> Mr. Gasket 202A Intake?? MedRis -- Geoff McNew, 11/22/2003
Is this a good intake gasket for Edelbrock heads? I haven't had the Fel-Pro 1247 problem people have previously posted..I kinda like 'em, but the Victor Renz things I bought look more like exhaust donuts than a precision intake gasket. Hunting for something better.
 RE: Mr. Gasket 202A Intake?? MedRis -- 390ranger, 11/22/2003
victor reinz . the only place i was able to get them was from gessford machine. fel pro led to oil consumption. never tried the Mr. Gasket
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=19270&Reply=19270><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What do I have 390 or 428?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jeff Beerbower, <i>11/19/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I was recently gave an engine that has the casting number of 99 -352 on the front and 99 -352A on the back I know that the intake and distributor are off a 352.  Where would I find the crank casting numbers on the crank? The casting numbers under the oil filter are W1 and RH38. </blockquote> What do I have 390 or 428? -- Jeff Beerbower, 11/19/2003
I was recently gave an engine that has the casting number of 99 -352 on the front and 99 -352A on the back I know that the intake and distributor are off a 352. Where would I find the crank casting numbers on the crank? The casting numbers under the oil filter are W1 and RH38.
 RE: What do I have 390 or 428? -- giacamo, 11/20/2003
the crank numbers are on the counter weats but 410,s use 428 cranks the onlie way to make shure is to measure bore & stroke.........
 RE: What do I have 390 or 428? -- Martin Micheelsen, 11/21/2003
One indication of what you have is the engine stroke. You can measure that by placing cylinder 1 at TDC and remove the spark plugs for cylinder 1 and 4. Measure the distance from the edge of the valve colver to the piston for those two cylinders. The difference between these two measurements is the stroke. This is hard to do accurately, but give it your best shot. 3.5 inch = 352 crank, 3.75 = 390 and 4.0 (3.98) = 428.
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