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| What do you think about these heads? -- Nash, 10/07/2003
I made up my mind to get some C6AE-R heads. They are the police intercepters. Know where I can find the specifications?
What do you guys think about this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2436153371&category=33617
I know there is a broken bolt inside, thats not too much to fix.
But arnt the heads unmatching?
REPLY ASAP, I need to know!
How would those work with the 9.4:1 pistons? What would the final CR be??
THanks for all your help!, I need to know asap to get them ordered! |
| | RE: What do you think about these heads? -- McQ, 10/08/2003
Just read your post/request tonight and it looks like there's 3 days to go on those heads so you've got time. I just responded to another posters request for info regarding the C6AE-R heads.
As I said in the other answer/post they're great heads. Yes they were the heads bolted on '66 428 Police Interceptors as well as 352-2Vs, 390-2Vs, '66, early '67 GT 390s. Pre emission heads. The '66 428 PIs had solid lifters so there was adjustable rockers on those. But nothing else was special about them. I have a set still bolted to a '66 352-2V removed from a '66 pick-up. They will be unbolted from the old '52 and used on a future FE project.
So to answer your specific questions:
It doesn't matter that they're unmatching #s unless you plan a concours resto.
They'll work well with 9.4:1 pistons if these pistons have been designed to go with the C6-R cc volume thus offering a true 9.4:1 or a little higher.
I see the seller has an opening bid of $100 which does not meet his/her reserve. I personally would not pay more than a $100 for a set of C6AE-R heads. Actually I think $50-$75 is about right. With a little boneyard scrounging they're still easily found. Especially lift the hoods of any '66 Ford/Merc/pickup. But if you're not around too many good old car wrecking yards maybe something like $125 is still reasonable to you. Plus you have to pay his/her $15 boxing charge and add in the shipping which may very likely be around $100 total for this set to reach you.
Opinion about eBay sellers who charge a packaging-boxing fee....naw I shouldn't use that language here or anywhere for that matter. |
| | | RE: What do you think about these heads? -- Nash, 10/23/2003
Ok thanks!
I baught them for $275 Shipped.
They just got in, and look excellant. They have new hardened valve seats, and are ready to be bolted on. I fiqure I got a decent deal.
The nearest DECENT wrecking yard is 3 hours away. |
| | | | you got a great deal.... -- hawkrod, 10/23/2003
the heads are not "police interceptor" heads so i suggest you don't tell your friends they are as they will laugh their backsides off. these are the standard 66 base heads and are desirable due to the large port which was changed during teh year to an emission port. the R heads are basically identical to ANY 61-65 standard head. what makes them special is that you can drill them for the 14 bolt GT manifolds in a 67-70 mustang and a 66-69 fairlane. that is why these heads are so desirable not because they are special. if you have a pickup or fullsize car you can use any 61-65 head and will see the exact same benefits. i will say these heads are not rare but neither are they common as the other post suggested. they were not used on all 66's and they were a 66 only item. the real issue is how many 66's do you see in a wrecker these days? i don't see many myself and i spend a lot of time in junkyards. for greasy heads 100.00 is absolute max and i have to need them but for the deal you got you stole them. i just did a set of heads this last week and with seats and a valve job it cost me a lot more than you paid and it was just standard work, nuthin' special. hawkrod |
| | | | | RE: standing corrected -- McQ, 10/23/2003
"these heads are not rare but neither are they common as the other poster suggested."
Alrighty then. Might it be said then that many common FE items are not rare? With a little searching they may be found at a reasonable price.
Nash did indeed get a good deal on a ready to bolt on set of C6-R's. I hope they work out well for him.
Hawkrod is right again with the fact that the C6AE-R can't be exclusively labled a PI head just as it can't be labled a '66 GT head either. However if the head(s) did come from a '66 428PI with the exclusive PI features, i.e., adjustable rockers, valve springs, etc., those heads might be called 1966 428 Police Interceptor heads? With a disclaimer of course that they're not rare but not common.
As I stated the C6-R may be found under the hood of a variety of '66 FoMoCo products. And Hawkrod(the other poster) is right again, that finding '66 FoMoCo vehicles in common wrecking yards is increasingly rare.
Just keep lifting those '66 hoods and you may get lucky. |
| | | | | | uncommon? maybe a better choice of words than rare -- hawkrod, 10/23/2003
when i said not rare but not common i was looking for a middle ground. i think uncommon or less common may be better. they are out there but you'll find dozens of other numbers first. yes they could have come on a PI but they just don't carry the PI nomenclature as the parts that made them special was not the castings themselves. i think we agree that with looking you can find them and get them cheap but with new seats and fresh valve job (as long as the work is up to snuff!) the price paid was excellent. hawkrod |
| | | | | | | RE:I agree! -- McQ, 10/24/2003
As is usual with your contributions Hawkrod.
I wanted to add one of those cute little smiley faces at the end of my post but ..... nah, I just couldn't do it.
After I clicked "post" I had second thoughts about the tone of my response. Thanks for not taking any offense.
Keep the knowledgable-informative posts coming. Your's along with many others are what keep me checking in here as I can.
I will always trade a tall stack of C8AE-H's for just two C6AE-R's. |
| 390 Pistons, HELP! -- Nash, 10/06/2003
Took my Block and Crank into the machine shop today. Everything looked great. The crank was showing some wear, and has to be polished, maybe grounded. I'll know later this evening after the miking.
Ok, so he's waiting on the pistons. Im going to complete my first order tonight for:
Camshaft bearings, Pistons, and Freezeplugs. Maybe the Chrome/Moly Rings from speedpro also. Thats it for now.
Ok, now here's my question. Im getting .030 over pistons, and They are from Sterling. Hyperteuawhatever.
Heres the descripton:
Ford: 390, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, .080 in. dish with 4-valve reliefs, hypereutectic piston
(My heads are C5AE-U)
Theres another set as follows: (Cast)
Ford/Lincoln/Mercury: 390, truck only, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, 6.480 in. rod length, .097 in. dish, cast piston
NOtice how the second one uses ''Truck only''. My engine is from a low compression 70's truck. I dont want #2, because its cast, and the compression is way to low.
The question, I can still use #1 pistonscorrect? and will that put me at 10.1 compression?
Thanks!
Replay ASAP! |
| | RE: 390 Pistons, HELP! -- giacamo, 10/06/2003
nash ask for flat tops 10.5 ,s cast if you wont to make some power.i have ran cast pistones in 390,s and never had a piston problem.have machine shop bore to piston rec spects... |
| | | RE: 390 Pistons, HELP! -- Nash, 10/06/2003
UPDATE:
After Close inspection, I found out there is 2 different set of heads.
One is from a 68 Galaxie, and one is from a 73' Ford vehicle.
One has high compression, and one has low. That explains why the rings on half of the motor is broken.
Looks Like I need some heads. What are some good Ford Cast Head numbers. What do you guys recommend?
I still need to get the pistons first. What brand are those pistons GIA? would any Hyper/Cast Piston work with a 10.1 compression and run at it? |
| | | | | RE: 390 Pistons, HELP! -- Nash, 10/07/2003
My goal is to land at the stock C/R.
i'm buying old used heads. They should be anywhere from 66-69 CC's if im correct.
Summit Sells 2 pistons for me:
UEM-KB150030-8 Pistons, Hyper., 4.080 in. Flat Top, Ford 390, 2-5/64, 1-3/16, 8 Pk.w/Pins/Locks
Those are hyper 9.4:1 Pistons
TRW-L2291F30 Ford: 390, .030 in. overbore, 3.78 in. stroke, 6.489 in. connecting rod, flat top, forged, piston
Those are 9.9:1 pistons.
Which ones with a set of old school heads iwll give me the final stock CR of 10.1:1, or about.
Thanks! |
| | | | | | RE: 390 Pistons, HELP! -- giacamo, 10/07/2003
nash try not to worry about finding small cc, heads myself i use 72 to76 cc. heads and bild compreson with the pistons myself i think hiper pistons are not worth the money.forged pistons are great for racing but not for streat usage larger piston clearances .make forged pistons slopie in thear bores great for all out racing poor for streat usage.myself i love the older heads and intakes with the larger ports as in pre 65/moters and any heads you chose please have harden seats instaled in esaust for some reason i see alot heads with eroded seats. |
| Distributor -- Chuck Brown, 10/06/2003
Have a Dual Vacuum advance distributor 0n my 68 KR. When I rev it up to 2500 or3000 I get a rattle or tapping noise on the pass side. I plugged my vacuum lines to check the timing which was OK but when I rev it up to the same RPM the noise is not there. I thought maybe a spring had broken in the distributor but not so. Would it be best to get a big block dual point and do away with the vacuum unit. Chuck |
| | Sure - a mechanical DP would offer improved performance. [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/07/2003
n/m |
| | Dual-advance was utilized for thrift and reduced emissions. [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/07/2003
n/m |
| | RE: Distributor -- giacamo, 10/07/2003
chuck if you have a kr mustang i would keep it stock.the noise has to be somthing simpel call some of your loakel shops and see if someone has a old sun distibutor machine and rebild yours or buy one and recalabrate it to your engine spectsand old sun distibutor machine has saved me maney distibutor headackes.... |
| 390 air cleaner assembly -- CHRISTIAn, 10/05/2003
Looking for an air cleaner assembly for a 68 mustang with a 390, need all assmebly parts. (304) 290-0211. |
| Camshaft Interchange -- Alexander, 10/05/2003
I am trying to find a new camshaft for a 1958 352 that I am installing in a 1960 Thunderbird. JC Whitney sells a camshaft/lifter kit for 1964 - 1976 FE engines at a reasonable price. I know that the camshaft retension system changed in 1963 from the thrust button to the thrust plate. As I understand it the front cam bearing is narrower on the 1963 and later. Can I use the newer camshaft with the earlier retension system, thus keeping the same timing chain cover? If this type of camshaft does not work, where can I find a new 1958-1963 camshaft for this engine?
Thanks. |
| Type "A" hydrolic fluid. -- james, 10/05/2003
I was reading some years ago that the power assist steering units on the Mustangs required this type of oil. The manual that I read this out of stated that the system would be damaged if any other fluid were used. I remember everyone I knew pouring type "F" in theirs and they all leaked. I wonder if they were going to leak anyway because of there design or if the trans fluid did it. What is the school of thought on this? Does anyone know? |
| Bad News -- Nash, 10/05/2003
I found out my engine is not a 390, but a 352.
Im very very very dissapointed right now. I knew the motor wasnt original when I baught the car, but I believed the guy that it was a 390. He pulled the motor out of a truck.
Heres some numbers I picked off:
BLOCK:
Front
352 81 47 DIF
Back
352 41
Intake C5AE9425C
Heads C5AE9425C
Rods C7EA B
Piston
410
Transmission D4AP-70006-AA
Im reading that the 352's do NOT share the same stroke as the 390, and 427.
I dont know what to do at this point. |
| | Good news! Sounds like a 390 truck engine. -- Royce Peterson, 10/05/2003
The rods and pistons are for a low compression truck 390. The casting numbers are consistent with any FE from 65 - 71. The 352 markings are meaningless.
You say heads are marked C5AE 9425-C? That sounds like an intake manifold marking.
The transmission has a 1974 part ID number.
Royce |
| | | RE: Good news! Sounds like a 390 truck engine. -- Nash, 10/05/2003
Ok, I was ready to get the torch out and strip the whole car to make some money.
Thanks so much, I have a great feeling now.
Thats very stupid how ford stamped 352 on 390 blocks.
Sorry, Heads are C5AE-U
Intake is that number. What can you tell me about them stock?
Ill have to fiqure out that transmission. |
| | | | More info -- Royce Peterson, 10/05/2003
The heads are C6AE-U. They are OK for anything but all out racing and can be ported to make great performers.
The intake is heavy. If you can get someone to take it without charging you for medical bills let them have it.
Ford stamped 352 on all FE blocks from the beginning through the early 1970's. Some 1963 - 65 427 blocks don't have it, most 1967 - 68 427's have it. Just ignore it if you see it. FE's are best identifed by bore and stroke.
The transmission is a C6.
Royce |
| | | | | RE: More info -- Nash, 10/05/2003
Thanks so much for the information
Are you sure about the transmission? The B&M quicksilver shifter came with it. On the back it says ''Universal 3-speed model. All ford c4-c6''.
C6's can still be 3 speeds correct?
I have yet to take it out on the highway, but i know when im at 40 MPH, its at low 3rd gear.
Know where I can get the head specs? Buy superior or port inferior?
Yes, that intake is HEAVY. Ill be looking intoa WIEND, or the edelbrock performer RPM intake. |
| | | | | | Heads -- Royce Peterson, 10/05/2003
Like any non - 427/ 428CJ FE head they are equipped with 2.02 / 1.55 intake / exhaust valve size. You can install 2.09 / 1.66 valves.
The Weiand intake is a 20 year old design. The Edelbrock Performer RPM is a 5 year old design.
Royce |
| | | | | | | RE: Heads -- Nash, 10/05/2003
What would you do, Beef up the heads I have now, or buy edelbrock Performer RPM heads?
So if I decided to beef the heads up I have now, all Id have to do is buy the bigger valves, (plus locks, ect).
Your getting me excited about the transmission, how sure of you that its a c6?
Your helpin a BUNCH!
Should I get a high flow pump with stock Pan? |
| | | | | | | RE: Heads -- Nash, 10/05/2003
IM sorry, you said ''equiped'' I thought you ment capable. Wow, thats good porting. YOu wouldnt consider this heads ''weak'' would you? How much is it bottlenecking me, and is it even worth to upgrade them?
I know for a 302, those ports are EXCELLANT size. |
| | | | | | | | RE: Heads -- Nash, 10/06/2003
One more question Royce.
There are 2 options of sterling pistons from summit Racing. (1 is cast, 2 is hyper)
1)Ford/Lincoln/Mercury: 390, truck only, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, 6.480 in. rod length, .097 in. dish, cast piston
2)Ford: 390, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, .080 in. dish with 4-valve reliefs, hypereutectic piston
My Galaxie with the truck engine Is still capable of running choice #2 correct?
Thanks! |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Heads -- Allen, 10/06/2003
I saw your previous post where you had just taken the engine out, you said this was not going to be a daily driver, and implied that you might race it, or at least run it hard. If this is the case I would go with forged pistons. I have the Sterling Hypers in my 67 Gal, but it is a daily driver, with only a few stoplight races (whenever a car with more graphics than horsepower pulls up) and they work good for me. But if I were you I would spend the extra bucks and go forged.
Allen |
| | | | | | | | Well... -- Royce Peterson, 10/06/2003
I don't know the condition of your heads or your budget. The Edelbrock heads flow lots better but the ones you have are not bad. If they need valves, seats, guides then the Edelbrocks might be only a slight upgrade in price. If your heads are in good shape ten they would be much cheaper.
Royce |
| | | | | | RE: More info -- BrentP, 10/07/2003
http://www.dscmotorsport.com/manifolds.htm That guy has some of the old Edelbrock and Holley single plane intakes that modified make some pretty good h.p. and the used intakes are pretty fair priced. |
| | | RE: Good news! Sounds like a 390 truck engine. -- Nash, 10/06/2003
Camshaft.
What do you think about this cam: (crane)
5. Fair idle, performance usage, good mid-range HP, auto w/2500+ converter, 3400-3800 cruise RPM, 9.5 to 11.0 compression ratio advised. Basic RPM 2500-5500
@.050 226/230
adv 288/292
.522/.530 lift
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| | | | What about that intake? -- Greg, 10/07/2003
I need a 4 bbl cast iron intake, I know it sounds ridiculous but I need one to finish a project. If it's a 4bbl int. We can talk. Greg |
| | | | | RE: What about that intake? -- Nash, 10/07/2003
I have one greg. Email me at fendersRule@aol.com |
| | | | | | You've got mail. n.m. -- Greg, 10/07/2003
n.m. |
| | | | | | | RE: goodnews -- Fordman, 04/17/2005
You know if you get the casting # off the crankshaft I'll bet its maked "2U" or maybee even better "1U" if it the "1U" its a 410 c.i. Merc. motor man. By the way any FE mtor is a great motor. |
| Rebuilding my 390, where to start! -- Nash, 10/04/2003
Hello all!, Its nice to be here. I just recently bagged a 65 Galaxie 500 for 850 bucks. It's got the 390 inside, and a 3-speed transmission.
Edelbrock 600 carb, QuickSilver Shifter, Performer Plus cam, accel superstock ignition, and some other small goodies.
I just pulled the engine last night to rebuild and inspect some tapping, and blow-by.
Anyone know which transmission I have? D4AP-70006-AA
Or what the specs are on my torque converter? F22 FOMOCO
I need to know those specs, so I have an idea where to start.
My main goal is to build a superfast galaxie. This is not my daily driver car.
It has the stock 3.0 gears. I'm preety sure it's limited slip, because I lifted the pass. tire off the ground and it wouldnt turn.
Anyone know how much my car weighs?
Alright, I'm going to need a cam. What should I go with? If I need to upgrade my torque converter to go with a good one, I'll do so. What RPM range should be my max? 5000?? 5500?? 6000?
Are 3.0 gears good to keep? Should I go with a Higher gear ratio/Lower converter, or stock gears with higher converter?
As you tell, I really need an engine buildup plan
I'll get the head and intake casting #s tonight so we'll know what they are.
Thanks all, please Reply!
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| | RE: Rebuilding my 390, where to start! -- BarryMcLarty, 10/05/2003
You are pushing over 4000 lbs around, soplan on using some 4:11or 3:73 gears anyway.Performer RPM should work well and will get you about 70 lbs lighter then the stock intake.F.E.s really wake up with free flowing exhaust,so headers and good mufflers will be in order.A torquey cam like Comp Cams 268h will go well with the intake and exhaust mods.A Holley 750(3310) with vacum secondaries would work fine with this combo. I would stay away from a double pumper with a car this heavy on the street.
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| | RE: Rebuilding my 390, where to start! -- Nash, 10/05/2003
Why does everyone think this is a 4000+ pound car?
The 4 Door, with a 427, convertabe, and all the options is a 4000 pound car.
Mines a 2 door, 390, and a hardtop.
Thanks for your insight! |
| | | RE: Rebuilding my 390, where to start! -- BarryMcLarty, 10/07/2003
I have a 64 Galaxie 500,that came with a 6cyland 3 spd standard,no power steering or brakes.It was bare bones and weighed3725 lbs.Ford says the 390 version weighed 4120,and the 65 was a little nicer with more standard features.One way to check.Go to your nearest truck stop that has a CAT scale.they are deadly accurate and I think cost $7. |
| Rusty exhaust manifold bolts -- Ryan Hodges, 10/03/2003
I am planning to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets on my 352. Do I have a snowballs chance of hell in getting them off without breaking every bolt? Is there any way to do this easily? |
| | RE: Rusty exhaust manifold bolts -- Ryan Hodges, 10/03/2003
OOPS! I meant a snowballs chance IN hell, not OF hell. My fingers betray me again. |
| | RE: Rusty exhaust manifold bolts -- giacamo, 10/06/2003
ryan run engine to get every thing nice and hot then try to remove bolts this proces hase worked for me befor |
| | RE: Rusty exhaust manifold bolts -- Louie, 10/08/2003
Try this. Get a can of penetrant like liquid wrench or pb blaster or even wd40. For a week, drive it to warm it up. Let it sit for about 5-10 minutes and spray down the bolts. Do this every day for a week or so. My machinist told me to do this on mine before trying to take off the exh manifolds and it worked. Didn't break a single bolt. |
| | RE: Rusty exhaust manifold bolts -- Mike Paschke, 10/16/2003
I just removed the exhaust manifold off of my 429 in a 69 engine bay, so I had to deal with double the effort w/rust and lack of room! I went with the other suggestions already posted as well as using 2 other tips:
1- Always use a 6 point wrench/socket if you can, a 12-point will round off the bolt just when you thought you got it loose.
2- Not sure if this is a problem for you, but I had a problem getting to some of the bolts and found I could only use small box wrenches on some bolts. Besides the lack of torque power, I had trouble even gripping the wrench so I made my own little 'invention'. I used a 6-point ratcheting socket which fit nice and snugly on the bolt. I looped a 6' piece of nylon rope (fairly thin stuff) through the other side of the wrench and looped the other end around the middle part of another wrench(you can use anything straight where you can get a good 2-hand grip on it). I got in a position directly in line with the path of the wrench (one time this was under the oil pan) and with my hands on either side of the rope used the straight bar/wrench to slowly pull down/up the wrench (similar to a seated row machine motion if your familiar with that). This gave me the extra torque power I needed to loosen the nuts. Worked like a charm. I would make sure the wrench is really snug on the bolt, but if it is, this acted like a giant breaker bar. The first 6 bolts took 3 hours, the last 8 with this took an hour, so it worked great for me.
Hope this helps! Mike |
| | | RE: Rusty exhaust manifold bolts -- Bill Vaughan, 11/15/2003
This may seem odd, but go to your local pharmacy and get some wintergreen oil. A few drops on each bolt is all it takes. I have had a lot of success with this method. |
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