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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26083&Reply=26083><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>hot cylinders</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jeff, <i>11/06/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>professionally built 428 w/ edelbrock heads and rpm intake with holley carb is running hot on cylinders 3 & 4..enough to burn ceramic coating off the header primaries on those cylinders, compression tests says everything is fine, engines only been run 30 minutes or so..could a headgasket be upside down? Any suggestions? ive rechecked valves adj and so on..carbs ok not leaning out at those cylinders.  thanks jeff </blockquote> hot cylinders -- jeff, 11/06/2005
professionally built 428 w/ edelbrock heads and rpm intake with holley carb is running hot on cylinders 3 & 4..enough to burn ceramic coating off the header primaries on those cylinders, compression tests says everything is fine, engines only been run 30 minutes or so..could a headgasket be upside down? Any suggestions? ive rechecked valves adj and so on..carbs ok not leaning out at those cylinders. thanks jeff
 RE: hot cylinders -- John, 11/06/2005
How very odd. You say you checked the valve lash and it was OK? Sometimes, that's not easy with Hyd lifters. I suspect a head gasket cannot be installed wrong way around, but I'm not sure. Rear cylinders will run hot due to water circulation not being great towards the rear of the engine. But an air-lock can make it worse. Suggest you loosen heater hose on manifold and top up rad until water comes out of heater hose spigot. Also, check plugs. Purplish dots on plugs indicate over heating, possibly due to too lean a mixture. Could be the whole engine is running lean (or spark too far advanced), but only the rear cylinders show the heat due to the water not circulating as well back there. Will the engine idle normally? If you can't get a low idle, you may have a vacumn leak. If your PCV valve is on the passenger side vs the carb spacer, it may be leaning out the passenger side cylinders if it's not working properly. Once again, cylinders 1 and 2 may also be affected, but better water circulation keeps them from getting as hot as 3 and 4. My best guess is an air-lock. As above, purge the water system and make sure no air is in the cylinder head. try the engine again with the heater turned on and the rad cap lossened (or off) to make sure all air gets out of heads.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26077&Reply=26077><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>429 big block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jonathan, <i>11/04/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have an opportunity to obtain a 429 and C6 out of an older mercury, and wanted to know what is a reasonable price to pay for it. It is complete, from oil pan to carb, 2 barrell, I believe the car is a Montery. </blockquote> 429 big block -- Jonathan, 11/04/2005
I have an opportunity to obtain a 429 and C6 out of an older mercury, and wanted to know what is a reasonable price to pay for it. It is complete, from oil pan to carb, 2 barrell, I believe the car is a Montery.
 Around here that would be about $300 -- Hawkrod, 11/08/2005
I just bought a 462 from a 67 Lincoln last Wednesday and it was $220.83 with tax but I get $45 back if I take them the old core. Hawkrod
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26076&Reply=26076><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427 block #'s help needed</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>paul, <i>11/04/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>recently came across some FE engine parts the blocks in question have no casting #'s they do have date codes however they dont seem  normal  its a side oiler type of block66 427 cast in it  w/ screw in frost plugs and cross bolted mains from rear of the block it has oil passages for hyd lifters  the date code is 9 or 0 with two dots under the number than a21   jan 21 69/70? the other is also hard to read 9f30 69/70?----now is this to late for original block or could they be service replacment blocks -- is it considered a side oiler---------thanks for any help here leaving for the weekend back sun.i will check back thenthanks again      Paul </blockquote> 427 block #'s help needed -- paul, 11/04/2005
recently came across some FE engine parts the blocks in question have no casting #'s they do have date codes however they dont seem normal its a side oiler type of block66 427 cast in it w/ screw in frost plugs and cross bolted mains from rear of the block it has oil passages for hyd lifters the date code is 9 or 0 with two dots under the number than a21 jan 21 69/70? the other is also hard to read 9f30 69/70?----now is this to late for original block or could they be service replacment blocks -- is it considered a side oiler---------thanks for any help here leaving for the weekend back sun.i will check back thenthanks again Paul
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26079&Reply=26076><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 427 block #'s help needed</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>11/04/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>This is right up Royce’s alley but I can help you with the date codes.  The two dots under the first number in the date code means you’re in the 1970s so the first block is 1/21/70 and the second block is 6/30/69. What doesn’t seem normal about these blocks? </blockquote> RE: 427 block #'s help needed -- Barry B, 11/04/2005
This is right up Royce’s alley but I can help you with the date codes. The two dots under the first number in the date code means you’re in the 1970s so the first block is 1/21/70 and the second block is 6/30/69. What doesn’t seem normal about these blocks?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26080&Reply=26076><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 427 block #'s help needed</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>11/05/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>All the '68 and later side oilers were drilled for hydraulic lifters. <br><br>427 side oiler blocks were made as late as 1974. The two dots under the zero mean 1970's decade.<br><br>The 427-66 on the back of the block appears on all FE's made after about 1967, even 360 and 390 blocks.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> RE: 427 block #'s help needed -- Royce P, 11/05/2005
All the '68 and later side oilers were drilled for hydraulic lifters.

427 side oiler blocks were made as late as 1974. The two dots under the zero mean 1970's decade.

The 427-66 on the back of the block appears on all FE's made after about 1967, even 360 and 390 blocks.

Royce
 RE: 427 block #'s thanks Barry and Royce ::: -- paul, 11/07/2005
I did not know they made them in to the early seventys !! Thanks for the help Paul from Mn.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26062&Reply=26062><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Side pipes + headers for 460 73 Mustang?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chet, <i>11/01/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have seen "Dummy" pipes in JC Whitney that would look ok, but are there aftermarket header and side pipe combos that will fit the 73 with a 460 without going custom?<br><br>Thanks, Chet  </blockquote> Side pipes + headers for 460 73 Mustang? -- Chet, 11/01/2005
I have seen "Dummy" pipes in JC Whitney that would look ok, but are there aftermarket header and side pipe combos that will fit the 73 with a 460 without going custom?

Thanks, Chet
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26070&Reply=26062><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Side pipes + headers for 460 73 Mustang?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chet, <i>11/03/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Found a nice set of "Patriot" 3.5 inch universal side pipes that would fit on Summits web site, but I was hoping for a 4 into 1 header/side pipe combo like some of the earlier vettes use. </blockquote> RE: Side pipes + headers for 460 73 Mustang? -- Chet, 11/03/2005
Found a nice set of "Patriot" 3.5 inch universal side pipes that would fit on Summits web site, but I was hoping for a 4 into 1 header/side pipe combo like some of the earlier vettes use.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26071&Reply=26062><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Side pipes.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>11/03/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>A friend on mine had a set of side pipes on a 69 427 vette. One day we took the car from New Haven, CT to Boston, MA and back. The next day we took the side pipes off. The noise and vibration in the car was unbareable. If you want a side pipe set up why not go to the lake pipe setups used in the 50s. That way you could open them when you felt like making noise. </blockquote> Side pipes. -- Lou, 11/03/2005
A friend on mine had a set of side pipes on a 69 427 vette. One day we took the car from New Haven, CT to Boston, MA and back. The next day we took the side pipes off. The noise and vibration in the car was unbareable. If you want a side pipe set up why not go to the lake pipe setups used in the 50s. That way you could open them when you felt like making noise.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26074&Reply=26062><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Side pipes.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chet, <i>11/03/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for the input Lou, I have actually had sidepipes on this car before(more like side exhaust) and yes it is loud ! I do libe the lake pipe look, but only on 49-50 Fords and Mercs.  I'm looking for larger tubes 3.5 to 4 inch<br><br>Chet </blockquote> RE: Side pipes. -- Chet, 11/03/2005
Thanks for the input Lou, I have actually had sidepipes on this car before(more like side exhaust) and yes it is loud ! I do libe the lake pipe look, but only on 49-50 Fords and Mercs. I'm looking for larger tubes 3.5 to 4 inch

Chet
 RE: Side pipes. -- Barry B, 11/04/2005
Hi Chet! JMO but I've always liked the looks of the old Thrush sidepipes with the cast exits, wanted to put some on my Econoline back in the '70s.

http://cgi.ebay.at/Thrush-SIDEPIPES-waren-noch-nie-montiert_W0QQitemZ8008906637QQcategoryZ64828QQcmdZViewItem
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26060&Reply=26060><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>idler arm stuck</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>David, <i>11/01/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am trying to remove my idler arm off my 66 Mustang and it seems to be stuck.  I can remove it from the idler arm bracket.  That's not a problem but it seems to be stuck on the center linkage.  I have the bolt and the cotter pin removed.  Any tips ? </blockquote> idler arm stuck -- David, 11/01/2005
I am trying to remove my idler arm off my 66 Mustang and it seems to be stuck. I can remove it from the idler arm bracket. That's not a problem but it seems to be stuck on the center linkage. I have the bolt and the cotter pin removed. Any tips ?
 It's a tapered stud. -- Gerry Proctor, 11/01/2005
It fits rather snugly into the drag link, doesn't it?. You need a mechanical tool, like a tie-rod remover tool, either the "pickle fork" or the screw press.

Absent the "tools" to get the job done, you may try threading the nut back on to the point where the nut is just above the stud threads, give the drag link where the stud goes through perpendicular a couple of very solid whacks on the side with a heavy hammer and then give the nut on the stud a couple of well-placed hits with the hammer. Most of the time, the whacks on the side of the drag link will deform the hole enough that you will loosen the grip on the stud. As long as you don't go nuts, you won't damage the drag link.

You should also give the drag link a couple of solid whacks even if using the tools. Makes it much easier to pop the stud out.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26064&Reply=26060><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: idler arm stuck</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>David, <i>11/02/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am new to working on cars and appreciate you telling me.  I didn't know that.  What's the best way to get it off then if it's tapered ? </blockquote> RE: idler arm stuck -- David, 11/02/2005
I am new to working on cars and appreciate you telling me. I didn't know that. What's the best way to get it off then if it's tapered ?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26065&Reply=26060><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Re-read Gerry's note....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>11/02/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>He has explained it for a tapered stud </blockquote> Re-read Gerry's note.... -- John, 11/02/2005
He has explained it for a tapered stud
 RE: Re-read Gerry's note.... -- David, 11/02/2005
I apologize Gerry....I thought I read the entire piece but I only read the title of your reponse. I appreciate the advice. I think I am going to buy the mechanical tool because I am worried I might damage something with the pickle fork. I assume you can get the mechanical tool at most auto stores.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26047&Reply=26047><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Need help with shopping list</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mrb, <i>10/26/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Unfortunately, I lost my metal line that goes from the fuel pump to the carb on my 428CJ .<br><br>Can you guys help me compile a list of what all I need at the local Auto Zone to get it hooked up?  Like the size of hose, etc<br>thanks </blockquote> Need help with shopping list -- mrb, 10/26/2005
Unfortunately, I lost my metal line that goes from the fuel pump to the carb on my 428CJ .

Can you guys help me compile a list of what all I need at the local Auto Zone to get it hooked up? Like the size of hose, etc
thanks
 Not an Zone fan. -- raycfe, 10/26/2005
http://mansfieldmustang.com/EngineFuelCarbp1.html
 That depends - are you looking for price or originality or what? [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/26/2005
n/m
 ...but even I sell 'repro' fuel line + fitting. Don't bend your own. [n/m] -- Mr F, 10/26/2005
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26040&Reply=26040><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>fatman/flaming river front end conversion</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>zane, <i>10/25/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have to upgrade my brakes is the front, they are presently power disk but one caliper has failed after 2 years.  I was going to put a Stainless caliper system in the front and thought well I should (need) to upgrade to better steering at the same time.  WIth the coilovershock system that the 2 have to offer.  Has anyone installed this set up?? </blockquote> fatman/flaming river front end conversion -- zane, 10/25/2005
I have to upgrade my brakes is the front, they are presently power disk but one caliper has failed after 2 years. I was going to put a Stainless caliper system in the front and thought well I should (need) to upgrade to better steering at the same time. WIth the coilovershock system that the 2 have to offer. Has anyone installed this set up??
 Car, Year & Model? -- Lou, 10/26/2005
N/m
 RE: fatman/flaming river front end conversion -- zane, 10/26/2005
damn it 1967 mustang gt convertible, 390 FE with about 450 ponies
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26037&Reply=26037><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>new intake cam and carb</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mustang67, <i>10/25/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I want to upgrade the intake cam and carb on my 390 . The performer looks better on paper (with the stock heads and carb) for me then the performer rpm. I drive around 1,500rpm (3,000 on the highway) and shift between 3,000 and 3,500 RPM, the highest it has seen is 4,500. I have heard that the performer rpm is much better so I think I will go with that one. Now I also heard that the Edelbrock recommended cam is too aggressive for low end, is that true? If so what cam would you recommend and should I change the valve springs too? Finally I was thinking of the Edelbrock 650cfm carb. Is this a good cfm? I don’t want to be constantly adjusting the carb, however if there is carb that will make a noticeable power increase I will learn how. Right now I have an autolite 4300 and I don’t like it. BTW does anyone know the cfm rating for that carb?<br><br><br>Thank you<br> </blockquote> new intake cam and carb -- mustang67, 10/25/2005
I want to upgrade the intake cam and carb on my 390 . The performer looks better on paper (with the stock heads and carb) for me then the performer rpm. I drive around 1,500rpm (3,000 on the highway) and shift between 3,000 and 3,500 RPM, the highest it has seen is 4,500. I have heard that the performer rpm is much better so I think I will go with that one. Now I also heard that the Edelbrock recommended cam is too aggressive for low end, is that true? If so what cam would you recommend and should I change the valve springs too? Finally I was thinking of the Edelbrock 650cfm carb. Is this a good cfm? I don’t want to be constantly adjusting the carb, however if there is carb that will make a noticeable power increase I will learn how. Right now I have an autolite 4300 and I don’t like it. BTW does anyone know the cfm rating for that carb?


Thank you
 RE: new intake cam and carb -- giacamo, 10/25/2005
cams and intakes so many to chouse from?I like comp cams for the fe,please any cam you chouse allways mach springs and dont skimp on the heads have a shop that knows what thear doing with the fe head i,v sean so much piss pore head work, that i have only person do my machine work outher than me.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26029&Reply=26029><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>roll bar</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>russ, <i>10/23/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>anyone know a company that makes a bolt in ready to go roll bar that would fit in a 66 fairlane, nhra legal. thanks. i enjoy this forum ! russ </blockquote> roll bar -- russ, 10/23/2005
anyone know a company that makes a bolt in ready to go roll bar that would fit in a 66 fairlane, nhra legal. thanks. i enjoy this forum ! russ
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26035&Reply=26029><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: roll bar</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>10/24/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Most NHRA roll bars are custom made to the car. Very few off the shelf roll bars will meet NHRA specs. </blockquote> RE: roll bar -- Lou, 10/24/2005
Most NHRA roll bars are custom made to the car. Very few off the shelf roll bars will meet NHRA specs.
 RE: roll bar -- Scott Allard, 10/25/2005
Addco has a part listed, I think it's the 965. Mine did not fit up well, but that's the only stock application I could find. I have no idea what it's NHRA status is. - Scott
 RE: roll bar -- Patrick, 10/26/2005
Hey russ. I have been looking for a roll cage for my 66 mustang, but I have been having problems. I finally e-mailed COMPETITION ENGINEERING (who makes tons of them). They don't make them for either of our cars, but they directed me to S&W Racecars, which have them for almost every muscle car produced.
http://www.swracecars.com/pdf/CATpg17.PDF
This company should help anybody looking for roll cages/bars/accessories.
hope this helps
Patrick
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26025&Reply=26025><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 fe block distributer</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Daniel, <i>10/23/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>hi, i have a 69 galaxie and am looking for a electronic distributer to suit as they are different to 302 and 351. </blockquote> 390 fe block distributer -- Daniel, 10/23/2005
hi, i have a 69 galaxie and am looking for a electronic distributer to suit as they are different to 302 and 351.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26026&Reply=26025><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 fe block distributer</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Martin Micheelsen, <i>10/23/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>I would get a stock rebuilt distrubutor and drop in a Petronix unit to get rid of the breaker points.  This can be combined with a MSD multispark box to add some spark on the spark plugs. <br><br>My experience is based on a MSD billet distributor that has no vacum advance and leads to overheating and a Duraspark distr from a 1976 Ford truck that has the wrong geometry for the vacum advance.  </blockquote> RE: 390 fe block distributer -- Martin Micheelsen, 10/23/2005
I would get a stock rebuilt distrubutor and drop in a Petronix unit to get rid of the breaker points. This can be combined with a MSD multispark box to add some spark on the spark plugs.

My experience is based on a MSD billet distributor that has no vacum advance and leads to overheating and a Duraspark distr from a 1976 Ford truck that has the wrong geometry for the vacum advance.
 RE: 390 fe block distributer -- russ, 10/23/2005
acell ,petronics, and some others make a stock replacement with a stock vac. advance curve to them.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26030&Reply=26025><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 fe block distributer</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>10/23/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>"Duraspark distr from a 1976 Ford truck that has the wrong geometry for the vacuum advance."<br><br>Hi!  I'm trying to figure out what you meant.  What is the problem with it? </blockquote> RE: 390 fe block distributer -- Barry B, 10/23/2005
"Duraspark distr from a 1976 Ford truck that has the wrong geometry for the vacuum advance."

Hi! I'm trying to figure out what you meant. What is the problem with it?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26034&Reply=26025><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Duraspark Geometry</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Martin Micheelsen, <i>10/24/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>For the 76 duraspark distr the plate that moves with changes in the vacum does so around the shaft of the distributor. The same plate on a stock 69 distributor is hinged at the edge of the plate across from the breaker points.  The same amount of vacum will turn the plate almost twice as much for the 76 duraspark due to this difference.  The "extra" advance was so excessive that an adjustable vacum advance unit in its most conservative setting still was too much.  <br> </blockquote> Duraspark Geometry -- Martin Micheelsen, 10/24/2005
For the 76 duraspark distr the plate that moves with changes in the vacum does so around the shaft of the distributor. The same plate on a stock 69 distributor is hinged at the edge of the plate across from the breaker points. The same amount of vacum will turn the plate almost twice as much for the 76 duraspark due to this difference. The "extra" advance was so excessive that an adjustable vacum advance unit in its most conservative setting still was too much.
 RE: Duraspark Geometry -- zane, 10/25/2005
Well in my FE I had a petronices and it was garbage. It failed breaking in my new rebuilt motor with only 3000 miles on it. I went for the MSD distributer with 6AL box. Awesome.
TO add I have converted my buddies duraspark to a mallory ignition since his box(duraspark box failed) and so did his spare. He has noticed some giddy up at the bottom end since the conversion. Just a note we did leave the distributer but used the magnetic pick up to fire the Mallory box.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26053&Reply=26025><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 fe block distributer</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>walt, <i>10/27/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>i modified the 428 cj dist,put thelate model breaker post(electronic pick up)and modified it to 427 timing specs,and the motor came ALIVE,even in a 4500 lb f 250 4wd pick up truck,the thing gets up and boogies,also the base engine came out of my 67 mustang,and headers  were manditory </blockquote> RE: 390 fe block distributer -- walt, 10/27/2005
i modified the 428 cj dist,put thelate model breaker post(electronic pick up)and modified it to 427 timing specs,and the motor came ALIVE,even in a 4500 lb f 250 4wd pick up truck,the thing gets up and boogies,also the base engine came out of my 67 mustang,and headers were manditory
 RE: 390 fe block distributer -- walt, 10/27/2005
ps, i usedf the stock ford cj vacuum advance ,and didn't use the retard side of the vacuum ,i lso used the 390 gt vacuum advance,till the diagfram failed(old age)
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