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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20435&Reply=20435><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 freeze plugs</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>T.O., <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just got my motor back from engine builder and he replaced the freeze plugs with the brass ones.  Got it running only to find out that everyone of them leaked!  Pulled motor back out and he came back to re-install and I watched him make sure he put sealer around them.  I think he forgat the first time.  Anyway, now the car is running again and I still have a tiny leak in 3 of the freeze plugs.  Anybody know correct size for these plugs and is there anyway to stop the small leak.  It is only 2-3 dropps, and I hate to have to pull it out a 3rd time. </blockquote> 390 freeze plugs -- T.O., 02/29/2004
I just got my motor back from engine builder and he replaced the freeze plugs with the brass ones. Got it running only to find out that everyone of them leaked! Pulled motor back out and he came back to re-install and I watched him make sure he put sealer around them. I think he forgat the first time. Anyway, now the car is running again and I still have a tiny leak in 3 of the freeze plugs. Anybody know correct size for these plugs and is there anyway to stop the small leak. It is only 2-3 dropps, and I hate to have to pull it out a 3rd time.
 RE: 390 freeze plugs -- greg, 03/01/2004
1 49/64, lots of times people put in 1 3/4 since they dont have the proper info
 RE: 390 freeze plugs -- rick, 03/02/2004
T.O.

First time responding, hope I'm doing this right. I built a 352, and a 360, both "weeped for about a week then stopped. The explanation I received was the freeze plugs are softer than the block and after a few heat cucles they (the freeze plugs) will conform to the block and seal up tight. Hope this helps
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20426&Reply=20426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phil, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ok Guys, I need help on two finds. The first is a 427 Nascar crank. Rods are 20 under, mains are 30 under. Is the under sizing going to effect the strength? Could i have it welded and brought back to standard? The second is a standard bore (thanks to one or more sleeves) 427 SOHC block that has been decked 120 thousands. Why in the hell would anybody deck a block that much, and how strong is the deck with that much metal removed? </blockquote> 427 -- Phil, 02/29/2004
Ok Guys, I need help on two finds. The first is a 427 Nascar crank. Rods are 20 under, mains are 30 under. Is the under sizing going to effect the strength? Could i have it welded and brought back to standard? The second is a standard bore (thanks to one or more sleeves) 427 SOHC block that has been decked 120 thousands. Why in the hell would anybody deck a block that much, and how strong is the deck with that much metal removed?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20428&Reply=20426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The crank turned .020 under is no big deal. You can turn up to .060" under and that crank will still be fine.<br><br>The block wil be fine too but you will have all sorts of fun trying to make the intake manifold align with the heads, it will have to be milled to match. You will also hav problems getting te oil leak to stop around the distibutor because the seal will not be squeezed in the hole.<br><br>Royce  </blockquote> Re: 427 -- Royce P, 02/29/2004
The crank turned .020 under is no big deal. You can turn up to .060" under and that crank will still be fine.

The block wil be fine too but you will have all sorts of fun trying to make the intake manifold align with the heads, it will have to be milled to match. You will also hav problems getting te oil leak to stop around the distibutor because the seal will not be squeezed in the hole.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20433&Reply=20426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Re: 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Phil, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Royce, with the deck cut that much, can i run stock pin height pistons? </blockquote> RE: Re: 427 -- Phil, 02/29/2004
Royce, with the deck cut that much, can i run stock pin height pistons?
 No! -- Royce Peterson, 03/03/2004
The compression height- distance from pin to the top - will need to be lower by what ever the block has been decked. What a pain!

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20420&Reply=20420><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>mustang power steering help</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Angela, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Trying to determine concours correct power steering pump part number for a '67 mustang. My application chart claims they were all the same for 67/68 (except GT350/500) <br>C7OZ-3A674-A. However, the pump on my car, which I believe to be the original pump, says C5AB 3D609A. I am fearing that I have a t-bird part on the car. Does anyone know for sure? The local parts store(not ford dealer) claims the C5AB pump is correct... <br> </blockquote> mustang power steering help -- Angela, 02/29/2004
Trying to determine concours correct power steering pump part number for a '67 mustang. My application chart claims they were all the same for 67/68 (except GT350/500)
C7OZ-3A674-A. However, the pump on my car, which I believe to be the original pump, says C5AB 3D609A. I am fearing that I have a t-bird part on the car. Does anyone know for sure? The local parts store(not ford dealer) claims the C5AB pump is correct...
 RE: mustang power steering help -- giacamo, 02/29/2004
the pump you have is a 1965 pump it should work just fine i belive the gt 350 500 hp pumps wear same but had a larger pully with deaper slot for the belt so it would not jump off during hi rpm
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20410&Reply=20410><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Thunderbird headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Randall Ellison, <i>02/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>  I bought a 1960 T-Bird this past summer and need to replace the exhaust system. Will FPA shorty headers fit on the COAE6090 C heads?  The block has casting number C1AE6015C , but I couldn't find a build date. Do you think this is a 61-390 block? Thanks for any help.  Randy </blockquote> Thunderbird headers -- Randall Ellison, 02/27/2004
I bought a 1960 T-Bird this past summer and need to replace the exhaust system. Will FPA shorty headers fit on the COAE6090 C heads? The block has casting number C1AE6015C , but I couldn't find a build date. Do you think this is a 61-390 block? Thanks for any help. Randy
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20415&Reply=20410><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Thunderbird headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>02/28/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>No, I've had several 60 T-birds including a 360 HP standard w/od. Other than what the 'Bird came, with no other headers will fit.<br>One piece of advise: International truck makes a muffler that is the same as the 58/60 bird, measure the old muffler and go to a parts house and match these up with a International listing. The cost is 1/2 of the T-bird part. </blockquote> RE: Thunderbird headers -- Lou, 02/28/2004
No, I've had several 60 T-birds including a 360 HP standard w/od. Other than what the 'Bird came, with no other headers will fit.
One piece of advise: International truck makes a muffler that is the same as the 58/60 bird, measure the old muffler and go to a parts house and match these up with a International listing. The cost is 1/2 of the T-bird part.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20421&Reply=20410><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Thunderbird headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Randall Ellison, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote> Thanks Lou,I appreciate your response and advice. I read a post that they wouldn't fit some heads due to the ports being 5/16 higher or lower on the exhaust and apparently thats what I have.Thanks again. </blockquote> RE: Thunderbird headers -- Randall Ellison, 02/29/2004
Thanks Lou,I appreciate your response and advice. I read a post that they wouldn't fit some heads due to the ports being 5/16 higher or lower on the exhaust and apparently thats what I have.Thanks again.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20422&Reply=20410><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>They won't clear the frame and steering. n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Lou, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> They won't clear the frame and steering. n/m -- Lou, 02/29/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20423&Reply=20410><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Hedman Hedders</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Here you go Randall, I was just checking my 1964 Honest Charley catalog and there is a Hedman Hedder that fits your '60 bird.<br><br>It's part # 82128 which is the same dual tube set that is (was) designed to fit the '58-'62 full size Ford with 352-390.  The headers also fit the '58-'60 T-bird.<br><br>Now before you call, write or e-mail Hedman, Jeg's, Summit or whomever, be advised that I doubt these are available anywhere but swap meets/eBay.<br><br>I hate to say it but I have a set and they ain't for sale.  They're a funky thing with a cast iron flange plate that bolts to the head to which you bolt the tube headers.  They're designed to fit the very tight confines of the early FE Fords/birds.<br><br>If you're patient and search eBay daily for Hedman Ford Headers/Hedders(Hedders was apparently a Headman brand name way back then) you might get lucky. </blockquote> RE:Hedman Hedders -- McQ, 02/29/2004
Here you go Randall, I was just checking my 1964 Honest Charley catalog and there is a Hedman Hedder that fits your '60 bird.

It's part # 82128 which is the same dual tube set that is (was) designed to fit the '58-'62 full size Ford with 352-390. The headers also fit the '58-'60 T-bird.

Now before you call, write or e-mail Hedman, Jeg's, Summit or whomever, be advised that I doubt these are available anywhere but swap meets/eBay.

I hate to say it but I have a set and they ain't for sale. They're a funky thing with a cast iron flange plate that bolts to the head to which you bolt the tube headers. They're designed to fit the very tight confines of the early FE Fords/birds.

If you're patient and search eBay daily for Hedman Ford Headers/Hedders(Hedders was apparently a Headman brand name way back then) you might get lucky.
 RE:Hedman Hedders -- giacamo, 02/29/2004
thanks McQ i could never figour out hoo made thouse weard hedders.
 RE: Thunderbird headers -- Randall Ellison, 05/18/2004
I took a chance after talking to Stan at FPA and he assured me that the shorty headers would fit my 1960 Thunderbird. The headers fit perfect with no clearance problems on the frame or steering box. I just had to jack the engine up a little.
Randall
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20436&Reply=20410><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Thunderbird headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>gene simmmons, <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i think u willl find what u neeed at sanderson headers/ there in so san francisco/ they make a several shorty headers for the fe... good luck<br> </blockquote> RE: Thunderbird headers -- gene simmmons, 02/29/2004
i think u willl find what u neeed at sanderson headers/ there in so san francisco/ they make a several shorty headers for the fe... good luck
 RE: Thunderbird headers -- Randall Ellison, 03/02/2004
Thanks guys,I appreciate the advice.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20409&Reply=20409><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>holley 2-barrel</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jeff, <i>02/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i have a 67gal.500 w/ 390 2v. autolite # 2100 now on car. has anyone used the holley 500 c.f.m. 2 barrel? with what results? is it worth the up-date? also still looking for bakelite 2v. spacer for my 2100 or holley 2300 2 barrel. the only ones i found are $80.00 a rip-off ,a used one will do fine if anyone has one with or without a p.v.c. outlet. </blockquote> holley 2-barrel -- jeff, 02/27/2004
i have a 67gal.500 w/ 390 2v. autolite # 2100 now on car. has anyone used the holley 500 c.f.m. 2 barrel? with what results? is it worth the up-date? also still looking for bakelite 2v. spacer for my 2100 or holley 2300 2 barrel. the only ones i found are $80.00 a rip-off ,a used one will do fine if anyone has one with or without a p.v.c. outlet.
 RE: holley 2-barrel -- giacamo, 02/27/2004
i,v used the holly and the autolight i cant see much differents betwean them.
 RE: holley 2-barrel -- Tim P., 02/28/2004
I know I have several spacers but need to dig them out I'll try today for ya no promises, not sure about weather they are provisions for pvc or not been long time since I've been involve in two BBL. Also have 2 Intakes for Two Barrels.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20407&Reply=20407><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>How much does a set of 390 GT heads weigh?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Trevor, <i>02/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone know what a set of 390 GT heads weigh? (I'm looking for some and wondering what postage will cost) Trevor </blockquote> How much does a set of 390 GT heads weigh? -- Trevor, 02/27/2004
Does anyone know what a set of 390 GT heads weigh? (I'm looking for some and wondering what postage will cost) Trevor
 RE: Forty pounds per. n/m -- Gerry Proctor, 02/27/2004
see. nothing here.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20401&Reply=20401><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427/tremec/68 mustang help</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>marcus68, <i>02/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>After lots of trouble with a new 392 stroker, I have purchased an early model low riser 427 to put in my mustang. Need help with sources for parts to help with the conversion, ie., motor mounts, clutch brackets, etc. Also need advise on cam choice for a hot street engine and honest evaluation of 8-v set up for daily street use other than "wow appeal". Any personal experience and guideance would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks.  </blockquote> 427/tremec/68 mustang help -- marcus68, 02/26/2004
After lots of trouble with a new 392 stroker, I have purchased an early model low riser 427 to put in my mustang. Need help with sources for parts to help with the conversion, ie., motor mounts, clutch brackets, etc. Also need advise on cam choice for a hot street engine and honest evaluation of 8-v set up for daily street use other than "wow appeal". Any personal experience and guideance would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks.
 RE: 427/tremec/68 mustang help -- Ian Dobson, 02/27/2004
http://www.moderndriveline.com
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20388&Reply=20388><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>406 Tripower Rebuild</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Karl J. Jacobsen, <i>02/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I need the carbs on my 406 tripower rebuilt. Does anyone know where I can get a high quality rebuild?<br>Thanks </blockquote> 406 Tripower Rebuild -- Karl J. Jacobsen, 02/26/2004
I need the carbs on my 406 tripower rebuilt. Does anyone know where I can get a high quality rebuild?
Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20395&Reply=20388><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Joe Bunetic</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>02/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>is the best there is in my opinion.  He did my trio of Holleys and they work perfectly.  Joe is fast, fair and knows carburetors.  He takes a personal interest in building carbs especially for Fords.  He's a Ford guy.<br><br>I'll post his phone # this evening. </blockquote> RE:Joe Bunetic -- McQ, 02/26/2004
is the best there is in my opinion. He did my trio of Holleys and they work perfectly. Joe is fast, fair and knows carburetors. He takes a personal interest in building carbs especially for Fords. He's a Ford guy.

I'll post his phone # this evening.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20402&Reply=20388><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Joe Bunetic</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>02/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Here's Joe's phone # 618-397-3580  He resides in Fairview Hts. IL<br><br>Joe also has done a Holley 540(original '60 HP 352) and a C3AE Holley 700 CFM(original '63 427-4V 410 horse) for me.  <br><br>When Joe gets done Holleys look brand new and work like it too. </blockquote> RE:Joe Bunetic -- McQ, 02/26/2004
Here's Joe's phone # 618-397-3580 He resides in Fairview Hts. IL

Joe also has done a Holley 540(original '60 HP 352) and a C3AE Holley 700 CFM(original '63 427-4V 410 horse) for me.

When Joe gets done Holleys look brand new and work like it too.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20434&Reply=20388><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Joe Bunetic</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>T.O., <i>02/29/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just had mine done from the Holley Custom Shop.  They rebuilt & re-plated everything.  I have them on my 66 Fairlane 390.  The car is running now and I only had minimal adjustments.  They even sent me back ALL the old parts they replaced.  They did me right! </blockquote> RE:Joe Bunetic -- T.O., 02/29/2004
I just had mine done from the Holley Custom Shop. They rebuilt & re-plated everything. I have them on my 66 Fairlane 390. The car is running now and I only had minimal adjustments. They even sent me back ALL the old parts they replaced. They did me right!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20465&Reply=20388><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Joe Bunetic</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Davy Gurley, <i>03/02/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Nobody mentioned cost... do we dare ask?? </blockquote> RE:Joe Bunetic -- Davy Gurley, 03/02/2004
Nobody mentioned cost... do we dare ask??
 RE:Joe Bunetic -- T.O., 03/02/2004
Holley was complete price of $600. Guaranteed. I tried to attach picture but too big. I will send you email pix of my carbs before & after if you give me your email. I'm very satisfied!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20379&Reply=20379><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>oil pump shaft in oil pan</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chuck, <i>02/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Any suggestions on just how hard its going to be to drop the pan on this 390 in a 68 Mustang. Sure hated to hear the shaft drop in there.<br>I know this is going to be fun.<br>Oh yeah...it's a 390 C-6.<br>Thanks </blockquote> oil pump shaft in oil pan -- Chuck, 02/25/2004
Any suggestions on just how hard its going to be to drop the pan on this 390 in a 68 Mustang. Sure hated to hear the shaft drop in there.
I know this is going to be fun.
Oh yeah...it's a 390 C-6.
Thanks
 RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan -- seventysixer, 02/25/2004
I have been told that if it drops all the way down you can grab it through the oil drain hole with a magnet. I am holding off on distributor work right now until someone tries this out and reports back to me.LOL
 RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan -- afret, 02/25/2004
It should be pretty simple. Takes me only a short time to get the oil pan off on a 69 428 with headers. On Mustangs the crossmember is held on by only 2 bolts. Just remove the bolts and move the crossmember out of the way. If you don't have headers you should be able to take it off completely. Then undo all the pan bolts and you can move the front of the pan down and reach in and grab the shaft. You might have to turn the engine a bit if the rear crank throws are are down and in the way holding the back of the pan. I don't think you have to undo the pickup unless you want to remove the pan. Even that isn't too hard.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20383&Reply=20379><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Paul, <i>02/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am going to catch hell for this one but leave it there if you're sure it hit bottom.  Install a new one.  I have seen it done more than once. </blockquote> RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan -- Paul, 02/25/2004
I am going to catch hell for this one but leave it there if you're sure it hit bottom. Install a new one. I have seen it done more than once.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20399&Reply=20379><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>02/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i toredown a 352 that had 3 rods laying in it 2 wer bent up the third looked new....it still ran wen pulled it..... </blockquote> RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan -- giacamo, 02/26/2004
i toredown a 352 that had 3 rods laying in it 2 wer bent up the third looked new....it still ran wen pulled it.....
 RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan -- Davy Gurley, 03/02/2004
I agree with Paul, put in a new one and go. You'll have to knock off that little washer before you can install it from the top. I've been known to put some yellow 3m on the distributer end of the shaft and glue it in, then it sure won't fall out next time. Be sure you put a spot of grease on the pilot and the bottom of the gear before you install it. It's no fun when the dizzy shaft galls to the block. I would recommend that you turn the engine over a few times by hand and make sure it doesn't bind up on the dropped shaft.
 RE: oil pump shaft in oil pan -- rick, 03/03/2004
Been there , I used two magnets to get mine out. Use a bar type (round, solid about 4" long) in the pan and a large one outside. Tie a string to the bar type (make the string wet first) and use the large magnet on a rag to guid the bar magnet to the shaft. Then retreave in reverse. May take some time but you can do it this way. Use the side of the pan on the way to and from the sump. You may try just the large magnet on the outside by itself first. Harbo Freights has the large (150#) for about $7.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=20378&Reply=20378><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Erson Roller Rocker System</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gary Adam, <i>02/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote> I am considering the Erson roller rocker<br>system for my 68 Cougar S code 390. FPA<br>headers, Comp Cams 275EH, Edelbrock<br>RPM intake, Edel Heads, 3:70 trac-loc, windage<br>tray. Anybody have an opinion on them? Not<br>sure if I want to wait for the crane system.<br>Any idea of how much horsepower a roller<br>rocker system can add to an FE? Thanks alot<br>for any response! </blockquote> Erson Roller Rocker System -- Gary Adam, 02/25/2004
I am considering the Erson roller rocker
system for my 68 Cougar S code 390. FPA
headers, Comp Cams 275EH, Edelbrock
RPM intake, Edel Heads, 3:70 trac-loc, windage
tray. Anybody have an opinion on them? Not
sure if I want to wait for the crane system.
Any idea of how much horsepower a roller
rocker system can add to an FE? Thanks alot
for any response!
 RE: Erson Roller Rocker System -- bprewit, 02/26/2004
Before you decide on the erson set check out the ones made at this place:
http://www.oregoncamshaft.com/428-FE.html
Something like $599 a set but I did install a set and am pretty pleased.
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