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| Where can I get headers for my 390? -- Steve M, 09/28/2003
I know that ford power train has them, but I cant afford to buy them right now. Does anybody know if the headers made for one of the old ford trucks from 65-70 fit my 67 galaxie? I would love to have the good ones from ford powertrain, but I cant plop down what they want for them right now, so I am looking to see if anybody has had any luck with any other headers that are marked for different applications. |
| | No cheapies any more. -- Dave Shoe, 09/29/2003
Cheapy FE car headers disappeared over a decade ago, and sadly truck headers don't come close to fitting.
FPA is a worthwhile investment, but if you have C6AE-R heads in that car (many '66-67s 352/390/410/428s came with this casting), you'd be best served by 427 or CJ type headers. Since you more likely have C6AE-U, C6AE-Y, or C7AE-A castings, stick with FPA, or you might want to check with Hedman or Crites as a possible alternative, though cost is likely similar. I know Hooker makes no car headers which are compatible with the -U, -Y, or -A heads.
FPA offers the easiest install, by far.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: No cheapies any more. -- Steve, 09/30/2003
Thanks for the info. I guess if I am going to have to pay more I might as well get the easiest to put in. |
| | | RE: No cheapies any more. -- a427ford, 09/30/2003
Dave, question. I have a 427 with 2000mi on the rebuild. The CR is 9:5 and I would like to bump it to 10:00 or so. In order to keep the short block in tact, I was thinking of swapping my C4-h heads@73-76cc to C6aeR with 71-74 chambers and add FPA's which you just suggested was a no-no. Where am I going, I could go with Edel 428 heads, or should I just leave alone RON |
| | | | FPA also makes 427/CJ compatible headers. -- Dave Shoe, 09/30/2003
FPA is the only header manufacturer that I'm aware of that makes headers for both types of heads.
If you do go with C6AE-R heads, I'd use the 427/CJ version of the headers, and if FPA is your preference, just let them know.
Shoe. |
| | RE: Where can I get headers for my 390? -- Jim Wisker, 09/29/2003
Sanderson also has a set for a little over $300. I have not checked into them too much yet. I do know that the FPA's are the only ones that say they will clear the 4-speed in my '67 XL. |
| 48 dif? -- 390 ranger, 09/28/2003
I have a standard bore 390 with reinforced crank webs and skirt ribs the only markings are the standard 352 on front and and upside down 48 dif were casting number usually are. I believe it is just a heavy durty truck block. i plan on boring it to 4.13 and hard blocking any comments or info would be appreciated.
thanks |
| 390 power -- smeghead, 09/28/2003
im planing on upgrading my 390cid from a single 2v carb to either 2 4v or a single 4, is 2 overkill ? im looking to make close to 500 HP i was also considering 3 2s what would my best option be ? |
| valve lash -- ed cougar, 09/27/2003
Hi, when setting valve lash my crower cam suggests 22 in. 24 ex. HOT. what would I set them at cold? Iron 428cj heads. |
| | RE: valve lash -- Royce Peterson, 09/27/2003
I set them on my 427 at .025" on both, seems to work fine. Have you tried emailing Crower to see what they recommend?
Royce |
| | RE: valve lash -- giacamo, 10/06/2003
my norm is 18 cold 22 /24 seams alot hot ? |
| '70 T-Bird gear ratio -- Mike, 09/25/2003
Does anybody out there know what gear ratio a 1970 thunderbird coupe has in the rear end gear cluster? |
| | RE: '70 T-Bird gear ratio -- Dale Cecil, 09/25/2003
Mike, Like most cars, there were probably several choices. There are a couple of ways to find out. First, look on the differential housing. All old Fords were equipped with a tag noting the ratio. If you are lucky, the tag is still there, and the original ring gear is still in the car. The other way is to lift the rear of the car with a floor jack under the differential housing so that both rear wheels are off the ground. For safety, support the car with jack stands. Then, mark the drive shaft with a piece of chalk. Also, mark the tire with chalk. Turn the drive shaft with your hand, and the number of times the drive shaft turns per one revolution of the tire will give you your ratio. i.e. If the drive shaft turns 3 1/4 turns to one revolution of the tire, you have a 3.25 ratio. I hope this helps
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| | RE: '70 T-Bird gear ratio -- giacamo, 09/26/2003
most t birds had 3.oo or 3.25 rear ends. |
| | RE: Thanks to all that helped me out -- Mike, 10/02/2003
I appreciate it very very much. |
| | | Axle code should be on data plate. n/m -- Lou, 10/05/2003
n/m |
| 68 Mustang GT 390 Correct Block -- Dale Cecil, 09/24/2003
I am looking for a date correct 390 block for a 68 Mustang GT 390. The vehicle was manufactured in February 1968. It currently has a 64 390 engine in it, but I am restoring it to original specs. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I live in Colorado. |
| | RE: 68 Mustang GT 390 Correct Block -- BarryMcLarty, 09/25/2003
My 390 gt(68),had casting C7ME on it.This shows it was made in 67,but it was the original block in my car. |
| | | RE: 68 Mustang GT 390 Correct Block -- Patrick, 09/25/2003
Hi Barry,
Just curious, how do you know you have the original block?? I too am a 68 FB 390GT owner... (Love those cars!!) ..and mine has C6ME-A on the block. Of course, I already assumed this one may not have been original block....but I'm not 100% positive. The date stamp on the outside drive side head under the valve cover is D631 xxx... meaning December of 66, ....and then ford was known to grab old parts/blocks to build cars..so maybe it's normal. I would love to know which is why I ask. ANyone have any input to this. Thanks** |
| | | RE: 68 Mustang GT 390 Correct Block -- Dale Cecil, 09/25/2003
I would believe the C7ME block could be original in mine as well since it was built in early 68. However, mine is a 64 block, and the mounting system is completely different than anything I have seen. It doesn't appear to be a botched job, just different than the original. I just sometimes think that for resale, it helps to have the correct engine block available, even if it isn't in the car. My car is a 68 GT 390 coupe w/4sp. |
| | | | there is no specific casting number for a 68.... -- hawkrod, 09/30/2003
the block can be a C6ME C7ME C8ME C7AE etc... by the mid 60's the numbers no longer had relevence so ford just cast using whatever tooling was at hand. do a search for casting numbers if you really want to learn more. the only later 60's blocks that have numbers that mean anything are the 427's. as far as the casting number goes, it does not tell you when a part was made only when it was designed. look for a small set of letters/numbers next to the oil filter adapter on the bottom of the engine next to the oil pan rail for the actual casting date (when it was made). also note that ford is absolutely not famous for using whatever was at hand to build cars. as a matter of fact it is very unusual for an engine block to be more than a few weeks older than the scheduled build date of the car due to fords incredibly good JIT inventory system. if anybody tells you they had old leftover blocks at the factory they are lieing to cover up there shortcomings. a ford assembly plant does not have piles of parts waiting to be used. in the case of engines, they are cast and then assembled. at the point of assembly they are routed to the vehicle assembly plant as a unit and they are ordered on demand. each engine going to the assembly plant is already destined for a specific car and does not just sit in a pile until they need it. there are exception in the case of low volume specialty parts but it just does not apply to 390 cars but rather to more rare stuff like 427 fairlanes and boss 429's where the volume was so low that to make one car you needed to cast a minimum number of parts to make it cost effective and then use those parts as needed. hawkrod |
| | | | | RE: there is no specific casting number for a 68.... -- chuck, 09/30/2003
Hawkrod, I too have heard stories about Ford using whatever they had at the time. My 68 GT 390 Fastback was built on 1-12-68. Its got the same chrome valve covers as the 67 Fairlanes. Smooth and without the powered by ford script. They have ribs in the side only. I found this to be strange, but have since found out that Mustangs had these until 2-15-68. I'm probably completely wrong on this but that's my story. |
| | | | | | RE: there is no specific casting number for a 68.... -- Dale Cecil, 10/01/2003
hawkrod & chuck, Thanks for the follow up to my post. So, hawkrod, are you saying that any of those casting #'s that you mentioned will work for originality purposes? My primary motive is to get the car back to original with an original mounting system. As I said earlier, my engine has a 2 bolt motor mount system that is modified to fit the Mustang.
Thanks Dale |
| | | | | | | RE: there is no specific casting number for a 68.... -- BarryMcLarty, 10/03/2003
The only reason i know mine is original,is because I"ve owned it since 1974,and purchased it from the original owner. |
| | | | | | you read into my post what you wanted to see.... -- hawkrod, 10/04/2003
i did not say ford used whatever they had. i said ford used whatever tooling was at hand. it is a fallacy that ford had piles of parts sitting around waiting to be used. ford had one of the best JIT (just in time) inventory systems on the planet at the time. engines were cast and machined and installed usually within 2-3 weeks. the issue is the casting number. since ford no longer used the block casting number as an identifying feature of the 390 they used whatever tooling was in the pile to make blocks. same for 428's. they share casting numbers with 352 and 360's as well. the thing to look for are any of the numbers i listed but then look at the date code of the block and see if it is in range for the car. here is a great list of casting numbers and applications. each color band represents a displacement size and you will note the casting number you listed is shown under 352 360 428 etc... this has also been discussed at length over at the network 54 FE forum http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/74182 . hope this helps more than confuses, hawkrod |
| | | | | | | RE: you read into my post what you wanted to see.... -- Ken, 10/09/2003
I too have a 68 GT 390 with manifold casting number S C8AE. I was told that if it doesn't have C8ZZ, it was not a Mustang engine. Does anyone agree with that? |
| | | | | | | | there is no such thing as a C8Z intake for 390.... -- hawkrod, 10/09/2003
whoever told you that is so full of it that you should wear boots when walking near them. the S lettered C8AE intake is the correct one for a 68 GT390. hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | RE: there is no such thing as a C8Z intake for 390.... -- Dale Cecil, 10/09/2003
For all who are participating in this thread, here are the numbers on my engine. Heads, C8AE-H, block C4AE and directly under that number is 6015-A In the front of the engine under the oil filter adapter on a small screw on plate are the numbers "485" or "4BS". On the front of the engine are 13 and just under that 352. Can anyone help me decipher this information.
Thanks Dale |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: there is no such thing as a C8Z intake for 390.... -- hawkrod, 10/09/2003
the 4B5 would be a correct date code for a 64 block (thats what a C4AE is). it translates to feb 5 1964. the C8AE heads were used on 360/390/428 from 68-72. hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: there is no such thing as a C8Z intake for 390.... -- Ken, 10/10/2003
Exactly where on the heads and block of the 390 are these numbers located? |
| | | | | | | hawkrod, I missed it -- Barry B, 10/10/2003
Where is the list of casting #'s and apps?
Thanks! |
| Motor mount brackets -- Joe, 09/23/2003
I need the full motor mount set up for installing my 428 back in my 69 Mach. Does anyone have a set that they are willing to part with? Or does anyone know of a good after market set up made for it? I see Hi-Po motor mounts but don't think they fit big blocks. I can't even begin to explain the jury rig that used to be holding in the engine.
Thanks Joe at JWM59@aol.com |
| 1969 Mustang S-Code -- Bill, 09/23/2003
Hi. Can someone tell me the casting/part #'s for the various engine parts that originally came on the 69 Mustang S-code (390 IP)...or direct me to another source that would have this information?
Parts requiring info:
block intake manifold exhaust manifolds heads timing chain cover cam crank fan other
Thanks |
| | You ask a tough question. -- Dave Shoe, 09/26/2003
One really needs to have a 390IP to properly answer this question, but I'll take a shot at it.
First off, the block will be the same as any 360/390 FE block for 1969. It might have C6ME, C6ME-A, C7ME, C7MEA, C8ME, C8ME-A or no marking at all. It will likely have a date stamping code of 3 months or less before the date the car as built, most often about a week or two earlier.
The intake may be one of the "T" type C9ZE marked intakes, but it might also be an earlier "S" marked intake that sits a bit taller but breathes no better. I don't have a full set of facts on this, but the casting date would likely be more important than the casting number.
Exhaust manifolds: (Man, it's tough to edit these posts nowadays). Check the casting dates to be sure.
Heads would be C8AE-H, and some municipalities in California or NY may have required Thermactor be installed into the bosses.
Timing chain cover would be the C8AE version, fan depends on accessories, etc.
The "other" portion of your question is the mind blower, as I suspect you want to know the correct spark plugs, carb, distributor, and everything else. If I understood the context of your question, it'd be much easier to provide the info you really need.
Man, it's tough to edit these posts with the new interface. I gotta develop a new writing style that doesn't require that I reposition sentences and paragraphs as I'm writing.
Shoe. |
| | | Thanks, Dave...that's what I needed...nm -- Bill, 09/26/2003
nm |
| | | | More block date info. -- Dave Shoe, 09/26/2003
I mentioned the stamping date for the block, but I failed to mention the more visible casting date (below the oil filter bracket) will also likely be within the 3 month period (most often within 2 weeks) from the time the car was assembled.
Shoe. |
| | | 1969 390 question -- Tom Isenhour, 10/26/2004
I need some information on an engine code: C9 AE 9425B. I know it's a '69 probably a 390 but it's got a 2 barrel. From this code what did it come out of? Would it be the 390IP? Why does it have 352 stamped in block? Can this be changed over to 4V? Would you consider this a racing engine? |
| | | | C9 AE 9425B = 2V intake manifold -- Royce, 10/27/2004
You posted the casting identifier for a 2V intake manifold used in full size Ford, Mercury and Ford pickup trucks......
Most FE's have "352" cast into the front of the block. It is meaningless.
This is not a 390IP. The 390IP is what was installed in 1969 Mustang, Cougar, Fairlane and Comet with engine VIN code "S". The 390IP is a 4V engine.
There were no racing 390-2V's to my knowledge.
Royce |
| | | | | RE: C9 AE 9425B = 2V intake manifold -- Tom Isenhour, 10/27/2004
Sorry, I'm not a Ford guy, but where do I find the engine code on a 390? And what does the AE stand for? |
| | | | | | Engine code is part of the car's serial number. -- Royce Peterson, 10/27/2004
The VIN contains the engine code as the fifth character. For example a 1969 Mustang with VIN 9F01S101222 has "S" in the fifth character. This tells us it is a 390IP engine. Of course this only tells what came in the car from the factory, not what is there now.
There is no good way to tell what an FE is by casting numbers alone. Measure the bore and stroke to find out if it is a 390 or 360 you have. You can also tell by crankshaft ID casting number or by the rod casting number. Nothing on the block or heads is different between 360, 390 or 428 in 1969.
Royce |
| | | | | | | RE: Engine code is part of the car's serial number. -- Tom Isenhour, 10/27/2004
Thanks Royce. I guess I'm stuck since it came in a '54 Skyliner so no VIN. Wish it was a 429 but feel sure it would be a 4V on there if that. I guess I'll have to wait until I tear into the engine to get all specs. on it. I've been buying '69 390 parts to get it up and running. |
| Setup to drag race -- Drew Arnold, 09/23/2003
I'm trying to setup my 68 Mustang to be a Strip/street car. I'm wanting to go with a 9" but I haven't got one yet. I need to lower my front end cause it is sitting really high (has big block springs with a small-block engine) I was considering cutting the springs and getting the front end realigned. Also, does anyone have any experience installing a Tremec 3550 in a 68 Mustang? |
| | RE: Setup to drag race -- Gerry Proctor, 09/23/2003
Well you for sure don't want to cut the springs if this is to be a street/strip car. Your spring rate with those big block springs will be so high that the front won't compress and rebound for weight transfer. It will also ride like a dump truck on the street. You're best bet is to get a set of six cylinder springs or no-option small block springs and use a bigger front sway bar. That way you'll have the front suspension reaction and limit body roll with the larger bar. You might also look at the compression/rebound of the shocks. Drag cars generally use 90/10 but those can be a little difficult to live with on the street. 60/40s are a better mix for a dual-use car. If you have the bucks, you can also get adjustables.
I personally can't help you on the 3550 swap other than to let you know it's a common swap and there should be an abundance of information online if you use a search engine. |
| 428 how big can you build it? -- Jerry L. Hinkle, 09/22/2003
A friend of mine wants to basically build a pro stock motor for his '67 Shelby. What are the limits for bore & stroke for a 428. Where would be a good source for these type of parts and info? Also he ask me what the 'S' stands for in 390S? Thanks. |
| | RE: 428 how big can you build it? -- tom, 09/22/2003
call doug anderson in alb. n.m. he owns ams there a motor sport dealer he knows more about fe eng. than ford . 505-242-3548 |
| | | RE: 428 how big can you build it? -- Jerry L. Hinkle, 09/22/2003
Thanks Tom |
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