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| cooling fan cfm/flow -- c newman, 09/22/2003
I am concidering NOT running a mecanical fan (in-lue of an electric one. possibly a twin13.5in fan; that pulls 4800cfm)on the 428 2-4 motor i'm building. If I knew what the old steel 4 blade was rated at from the factory,I would have a good idea if I would even be in the ballpark. I'm bored 60 over already (with a min. of 100+ left on a sonic test) so i'm a little worriied about getting it too hot. I plan on using water wetter. I have a 2 core aluminum cross flow Howe radiator, aluminum heads, aluminum water pump. I'm not running a surge tank. any help you can give me would be helpfull. thx C.N. |
| rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- Lanse Derrick, 09/21/2003
I am 18 and own a 62 Galaxie 2 dr ht for my everyday car. She needs a new engine so I'm going to buy a 390 from a local core supply and rebuild that so that I can have a car while I'm rebuilding the engine. I NEED EXPERRINCED SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT PARTS I SHOULD GET, MACHINING, AND ANY GENERAL TIPS. I am not extremely concerned with keeping the car completely stock. I am going to be driving this car daily but I also want as much power as reasonably possible, while keeping within my budget (~$3,500 finished). Right now I have some ideas of what I am getting but they are not concrete: ~390 short block ~390 4-bbl heads ~FPA tri-y headers ~750 cfm carb (holley or edelbrock undecided) ~Petronix flame thrower ignition ~Edelbrock Perf. RPM intake manifold ~Edelbrock Perf RPM cam ~Keith Black Silv-o-lite Hypereutectic Pistons
thats all i can think of off the top of my head. SUGGESTIONS PLEASE! |
| | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- Glenn, 09/21/2003
Well, for one I would be sure to put threaded pipe plugs in all the oil gallerys. Cost me plenty when a pressed in plug blew out on the first fire up and oil pressure went away. Glenn |
| | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- Allen, 09/22/2003
I have heard bad things about the Keith Black hyper pistons. I used Sterling Hyper pistons on my 390, which I just rebuild a couple months ago. Also, I think the 750 cfm may be too much for a 390. I would go with a 650 or so...I am using the Edelbrock and it is working fine for me...not only will this prevent you from overcarbuerating it (which is common on street machines) but it will improve fuel economy, and since you will need to use premium gas, and fill up often, this will prove helpful. I don't know much about Edelbrock cams, but Crane and Comp have better name recognition, and I have good luck with my Comp 268H. THe FE oiling system is one weak spot. I am using a melling HV oil pump, hardened oil pump shaft, and milodon 7 quart pan. The hardened shaft is a must, since if this breaks your screwed. Good luck |
| | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- giacamo, 09/25/2003
lanse allen has a good combo i love comp cames 265 or 268 myself i use federal mogel pistons cast flat tops and never had a piston give out.650 carb workes best for me.i allways install allen plugs in oil galley holes i hate thouse littel plugs ford instales.and i allways have hard seats instaled in exaust valves.i have found a melling hi volum pump workes good but a hi pressur pump will trash out dist and cam gearand never use a rope rear seal and i love felt pro gaskets |
| | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- John, 09/25/2003
Lanse, The items you have listed sounds like a well matched combo,E-brock packages work extremely well together.When shopping for your core use the fact that your car can use the early style block as well as the late because the demand for early blocks(61-64) is almost nil so you should be able to get a good one for near giveaway price,plus you have the advantage that 61-63 era blocks supposedly have slightly thicker cylinder walls.Just remember depending on the block you may have to use the early style main bearings which use a thrust bearing with a smaller diameter flange.With some luck and good shopping around you may be able to squeeze some E-brock aluminum heads into your budget.Good luck. |
| | | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- giacamo, 09/26/2003
lanse early blocks are cheap to come by but thay use the early type cam with out thust plate i would stay 1965 or newer for block selection i love the earley type heads with the bigger ports and intakes .but please hav hard seats instaled in heads exaust valves. i have rebilt a lot of 390,s and feal this to be manitory. |
| | | | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- John, 09/29/2003
Lanse,I don't know what giacamo's facination is with 65 and later blocks is but 63-64 blocks have the late style cam retention and it is a simple procedure to convert 61-62 blocks.The bottom line is 65 and later blocks have higher demand and therefore command higher prices because of the presence of the extra motor mount bolts that allow them to be used in any application.My personal experience at local rebuild shops is that they have no demand whatsoever for the early blocks and the blocks they do have on hand they consider as scrap,and will not buy early cores.So as I said in my first post,If you find an early core at your core supplier you may be able to get it at a substantial savings. |
| | | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- Glenn, 09/26/2003
John, That is an excellent point about the thrust bearing flanges. The shop that built my short block (now outta biz) put the large flange thrust bearing in my early block. I got it home and it took way too much effort to turn the engine over by hand. When I found out it was the thrust bearing I ground it down where the interference was and it worked well. Find a good machine shop. Don't be afraid to spend a couple of bucks for a reputable shop. I learned the hard way. As I mentioned earlier I blew out one of the pressed in oil gallery plugs and there were a couple of rod caps that were not torqued down properly. Now I'm paying a whole lot more that it would have cost to get it done right the first time. And then there is the aggravation factor. AAARRRRRGGGGHHH! Glenn |
| | | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- Lanse, 10/02/2003
Hey everybody! I really appreciate all your helpful responses so keep 'em coming! The other day I heard that the heads are especially important in FE engines to make power. Is this true?? If so, what are the best heads I can get for the smallest price for my engine? John, I know the e-brock heads you referred to but they're a little to expensive...mabye my budget estimate was a little extreme. Oh, by the way, my uncle owns an unmodified 1997 Impalla SS (LT1 engine) and we've been talking about going to the drag strip with our cars after my engine is done. Do I have any chance? What would it take for me with my 390 to be able to be able to beat him at the strip? ~Lanse Derrick |
| | RE: rebuilding a 390 for my 62 Galaxie -- giacamo, 09/30/2003
65 and newer blocks higher nickel content . |
| 427 by Holman and Moody -- vonbimas67, 09/18/2003
Just spoke with the guys at Holman and Moody yesterday. They have just completed the factory molds for the date coded 66/67 blocks. They are moving into a complete new facility and will have at this time next year available production block that is approved by Ford. Thought I might pass this on |
| Anybody know the stock cam lift numbers on 390 -- Steve M, 09/18/2003
I have a 70 390 and was going to put in a new cam, but I didnt want to go too far with it. I found an edelbrock with .460 and .480 lift. Does that sound like a good number to replace a stock cam with? I would like it to sound like it has a bigger cam in it, but dont want to have to go with the double springs yet. Would a .460 lift make it sound good? |
| | RE: Anybody know the stock cam lift numbers on 390 -- BarryMcLarty, 09/18/2003
Keep in mind the stock 390GT cam(same as 428 CJ cam),had almost.500 lift and it sounded healthy,had a wide power band,and presents no problems as far as springs and stock rockers go.The cam you are thinking of using would be fairly mild,and would sound like it.We put a CJ factory cam in our 72 F250 two barrel tow vehicle,and I can testify that it was a notable improvment over stock. |
| | RE: Anybody know the stock cam lift numbers on 390 -- leonard, 09/21/2003
yes! by all means go with the c.j. cam, ideal for light trucks and works excellent |
| | Measured at the valves, lift = .481" (int.), .490" (exh.) [n/m] -- Mr F, 09/21/2003
n/m |
| | | Thanks Mr F -- Steve, 09/23/2003
Thanks Mr. F. |
| I need suggestions on what to hook on to pull 390 -- Steve M, 09/18/2003
I looked and cant find a good way to yank my 390 out of this galaxie to put into my 67. If anybody has ever pulled one before I could really use suggestions on what to hook on to so I dont damage the motor. I will be pulling the motor and transmission at the same time also. Also, if anybody can tell me when the cutoff date was between ford dark blue and ford light blue that would help so I know what color to go with. It will be going into a 67 galaxie. |
| | RE: I need suggestions on what to hook on to pull 390 -- giacamo, 09/18/2003
i made a plate with a ring welded to it. and driled it out to bolt on inplace of the carb.it balanceds out perfect. and gives me just anuf lift to get fe,s out of 4 wheal drives. |
| | | RE: I need suggestions on what to hook on to pull 390 -- Steve M, 09/18/2003
That sound like a good idea. I dont have a welder, but maybe I can find something like that at a hardware store or something. Thanks |
| | | RE: I need suggestions on what to hook on to pull 390 -- Rollie H., 09/19/2003
You better pray those little carburetor stud threads are in super good shape or you will be having a super bad surprise when they don't hold that very heavy FE engine. These soft studs and nuts aren't rated to take the loads you exert on them when lifting an engine.
As many stripped out studs and nuts I've seen on those over the years from just holding down carburetors I wouldn't stand anywhere close to anyone using the carburetor stud method to lift an engine. In the long run you will learn to trust a meatier bolt say at least a 3/8" to lift engines. Personally I always use the grade eight 1/2" bolts that go into the ends of the heads. The shear force it would take to break one of these is very high and you aren't relying on the threads to hold really. |
| | RE: I need suggestions on what to hook on to pull 390 -- giacamo, 09/19/2003
steve i forgot to tell you i take the studs out and bolt my carb plate on with grade 8 bolts tight and flush. and it is very solid and be careful any way you hook to it.thay are heavy engines. |
| Block i. D. -- BarryMcLarty, 09/17/2003
Tore down a 390 todayand found it was aC7ME-A block.In the lifter valley is casting mark 352 with 48 underneath it and a large X beside it.I have 1 other C7ME-A block and it does"t have these numbers,Do they signify any thing of importance? |
| | RE: Block i. D. -- Rod Wiseman, 09/19/2003
> Tore down a 390 todayand found it was aC7ME-A block.In the lifter valley > is casting mark 352 with 48 underneath it and a large X beside it.I have > 1 other C7ME-A block and it does"t have these numbers,Do they signify any > thing of importance?
I'am a newbe to this site and had this same conversation just last nite. It seems that there are blocks with the X in the lifter valley. We were going through a large pile of FE blocks and found some with the X. Also found some with two X's, and some with three X's. These are not raised cast, but recessed into the block. Will find out more this weekend. |
| | | RE: Block i. D. -- BarryMcLarty, 09/25/2003
That was my point of interest.What is the X all about.Same situation as you ,some of my blocks have it some don"t. |
| | | | RE: Block i. D. -- Tim P., 01/04/2004
I Was Reading About This In A Book I Have It Mentioned That It Ment Exintick muscle car program at ford? Tim. |
| | | | | RE: book(s)? -- McQ, 01/04/2004
Hey Tim P. what book are you reading? You seem to rely a lot on this or a set of books. Please let us know because that may help us out a little here.
"Exintick muscle car program at ford" .... I want to know more about this. |
| 71 390 p/u -- Jay, 09/16/2003
what are the differences between a 390 in a truck and in a car? |
| | The compression ratio. -- Dave Shoe, 09/16/2003
Actually, the 1971 Galaxie 390 was a pickup truck engine.
Prior to this, the car 390 was generally available in 9.5:1 and 10.5:1 compression ratios. The truck C.R was always roughly 8.5:1 to prevent pinging while towing heavy loads and it actually got Mercury 410 pistons installed to achieve this low compression ratio. You'll find the 390 truck pistons have a C8TE casting number inside them, but 410 text markings on the side.
Otherwise, the engines are similar, but with minor differences.
Note that 360 pickup engines got 390-4V car pistons. Some were cast with "390-4V" on the sides, and others had the "360" text on the sides. Both were the same.
Shoe. |
| | the cam too -- Barry B, 09/17/2003
the '68 - '76 360, 390 truck cam was .427"/.431" @ 256*/266*, the non-performance 390 car cams were around .438"/.438" @ 256*/256*.
As shoe said, the '71 car 390 was the truck 390. No mention of that in the sales brochure. :) |
| Total timing -- a70eliminator, 09/16/2003
Think about this one, my 428scj has a dual diaphragm distributor. I found out that I can set my initial timing way up there around 20* then hook manifold vacuum to the retard side of the can whitch drops it back to about 10* at idle, now the total advance at 2500rpm is up there about 46* shown on the scj balancer, the throttle response is best.
Now the normal way when I set the initial at 10* my total advance with all vacuum lines disconected is only about 24* could this be a good and simple way of giving an fe lots of total at WOT what do you think? |
| dove -- tom, 09/14/2003
does any one know if they have a web site. |
| | Yes they do. -- Royce Peterson, 09/15/2003
I don't know the URL but be forewarned that the Dove website makes claims for parts they don't have. For example cast iron FE 427 blocks and cast iron 428CJ heads.
There is also a long discussion where Jim Dove claims that FE stands for "Fairlane Engine". The whole thing is a sad testimony on Dove, just be sure you keep one tongue firmly in cheek while reading it.
Royce |
| | RE: dove -- Gregory Westphall, 09/17/2003
I sense a bit of sarcasm with regard to this guy (Dove). What is the story? The first time I learned of Dove parts was at a Columbus Swap meet at least 10 years ago. I picked up one of his catalogs. I remember it offering a very large variety of cylinder heads and even a SOHC kit. Since that time I have not heard really anything that would cause me to run out and get a set but I also haven't heard anything that would cause me to run the other way. I opted for a set of Edelbrock heads and RPM intake when the time came because of the article I read in Super Ford Magazine. I think Kuntz was building up an FE with Edelbrock heads. According to the article, he stated he would rather do extensive porting to the Edelbrock heads than deal with the porosity problems associated with the Dove heads. It sounded like the Dove heads were better performers but not worth the extra effort. I figured Edelbrock had the most experience in this arena. Well, the heads showed up on my doorstep with a load of shot blasting material in every nook and cranny. I had to disassemble them and thoroughly clean them. The oil drainback holes were about 90% blocked by the intake manifold gaskets and the valve guide seal didn't last at all. I ended up calling their customer service depatment and got a hold of one of their quality engineers. They were very apologetic and took the heads back. They did not give me another set though. They put a new set of improved guides and seals in them and dressed the valve seats no charge. I would have preferred a new set obviously. Upon reinstallation, I made sure I trimmed the intake manifold gasket slightly to allow the oil to drain back more freely in from the heads. Since reinstallation I have been pleased with the performance of the heads although I do not think they have perform any better than my stock CJ heads. I no longer suck oil down the guides and my valve covers do not fill up with it anymore either. Their customer service met expectation but did not exceed it.
All I am saying here is that it would appear that there can be problems with anybody's products. The buyer must beware and make sure they understand the return/exchange policy of the company they are buying from. The internet is a very powerful tool that cuts both ways. If someone has a beef they can really do some damage to a person's professional reputation.
I would like to learn more about Dove Performance from people who have actually purchased their products and used them on something more than a trailer queen. If soemone out there has some first hand legit info, good or bad, I would certainly like to hear it. Also, it would be good to hear what sort of customer service they offer. At the end of the day this can mean the difference between who you buy from. Edelbrock made a mistake, but they had the resources to fix it and not hurt their bottom line. Smaller companies do not have the luxury of large customer service budgets. |
| Why does my 390 block say 352? -- Steve, 09/14/2003
I just bought a 1970 galaxie with a 390 2v and on the front of the block below the drivers side valve color it says 46 and below it says 352. I posted a pic of it. The url is below.
http://members.aol.com/lnmrmn/352.jpg
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| | | RE: Why? Because many FEs were cast from the same moulds. See... -- Steve M, 09/17/2003
Thanks for the enlightenment. I was pretty sure it was an original motor because it had the 390 sticker on the valve cover and the sticker on the air cleaner and the supporting paperwork. I was just curious why that number was there. I am new to this era of motor and I like it. Thanks for all the help..
Steve |
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