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 Everything you ever wanted to know about Cort Fox Ford... -- Joe Oliphant, 12/15/2020
to borrow a phrase from Ed McMahon, is right here on Tim Roden's page about Uncle Cort and his dealership. Check it out, it has an amazing amount of information and is a fun trip back in time.
 crooked 69 Mustang engine mounting -- Jason Singleton, 06/20/2006
I'm helping a friend out who had a bunch of resto-rod work done by a bunch of hacks that left a large laundry list of screwups, body and mechanical. It's a 69 coupe with a 302 and the engine sits listing towards the passenger side. My questions are the mounts backwards and/or how to identify them.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27772&Reply=27772><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FE's at the local drags</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>06/19/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just had to let you fellow FEnatics know that there were three great running Ford-Edsels at the local drag strip on Saturday evening.  <br><br>I'm located in the Northwest, Eastern WA state, Spokane.  You'd probably look at the map and think there wouldn't be much FE interest here.  You'd be wrong.<br><br>I'll be brief.  Along with the multitudes of GM power, 5.0's, imports(A really fast Mitsubishi Evo - 11.7! and a true streeter) there were three great running FE cars:<br><br>A beautiful metallic red '67 Cougar turning a 10.85/130 mph!  I didn't have a chance to look this car over much.  I've never seen it before.  Hope to see it again and have a close look at his equipment.<br><br>A fabulous black '68 Cougar with built 428 running low 11's/120's.  I've seen this car before and it's very nicely built.<br><br>A Bullit look alike!  I talked a lot with this guy.  He approached me as my sons and I were having fun racing our '06 GT.  He asked me some questions and mentioned he had trailered his '68 Mustang over from Libby Montana.  I said the dark green one with Bullit plates.  He humbly said yes.  What a gorgeous car and it was totally streetable too but he felt it best to trailer is since it's quite a long drive from Libby to here.  It was a factory -S- code built with a 428 crank/overbore to yield something over 410, sorry I can't remember.  Factory 4 speed, headers, iron C8AE 390GT heads, aluminum intake.  Nothing fancy.  All systems including PS/alternator hooked up.  Under the hood the car looked close to stock.  He had some nice traction bars that looked similar to Cal Tracs.  He ran well into the low 12's with a tremendous launch technique.  Good power shifter.  Excellent '68!<br><br>No big block 385 series running on this night.  There's generally one running.<br><br>We had us some fun.<br><br> </blockquote> FE's at the local drags -- McQ, 06/19/2006
Just had to let you fellow FEnatics know that there were three great running Ford-Edsels at the local drag strip on Saturday evening.

I'm located in the Northwest, Eastern WA state, Spokane. You'd probably look at the map and think there wouldn't be much FE interest here. You'd be wrong.

I'll be brief. Along with the multitudes of GM power, 5.0's, imports(A really fast Mitsubishi Evo - 11.7! and a true streeter) there were three great running FE cars:

A beautiful metallic red '67 Cougar turning a 10.85/130 mph! I didn't have a chance to look this car over much. I've never seen it before. Hope to see it again and have a close look at his equipment.

A fabulous black '68 Cougar with built 428 running low 11's/120's. I've seen this car before and it's very nicely built.

A Bullit look alike! I talked a lot with this guy. He approached me as my sons and I were having fun racing our '06 GT. He asked me some questions and mentioned he had trailered his '68 Mustang over from Libby Montana. I said the dark green one with Bullit plates. He humbly said yes. What a gorgeous car and it was totally streetable too but he felt it best to trailer is since it's quite a long drive from Libby to here. It was a factory -S- code built with a 428 crank/overbore to yield something over 410, sorry I can't remember. Factory 4 speed, headers, iron C8AE 390GT heads, aluminum intake. Nothing fancy. All systems including PS/alternator hooked up. Under the hood the car looked close to stock. He had some nice traction bars that looked similar to Cal Tracs. He ran well into the low 12's with a tremendous launch technique. Good power shifter. Excellent '68!

No big block 385 series running on this night. There's generally one running.

We had us some fun.

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27773&Reply=27772><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: FE's at the local drags</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>06/19/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Mike where was your FE? It could have been four. Thanks for the story.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> RE: FE's at the local drags -- Royce P, 06/19/2006
Mike where was your FE? It could have been four. Thanks for the story.

Royce
 RE: FE's at the local drags -- McQ, 06/19/2006
Thanks for asking. The big '60 is just about ready. It's licensed and I've had it out on the road for a few short trips. But I haven't got the top or all the interior installed yet. I also need to reinstall the old '60s era traction bars. I'm planning to make the trip to Woodburn OR August 20 for the Dearborn Classics Co. show/drag races. Maybe by then I'll have it ready to make some passes.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27768&Reply=27768><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>best source for a high quality, new 428 crank?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jonathan Eppstein, <i>06/19/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Any thoughts on what the best source for a high quality, new 428 crank might be without selling my first born to afford it?<br><br>Thanks </blockquote> best source for a high quality, new 428 crank? -- Jonathan Eppstein, 06/19/2006
Any thoughts on what the best source for a high quality, new 428 crank might be without selling my first born to afford it?

Thanks
 RE: best source for a high quality, new 428 crank? -- Royce P, 06/19/2006
http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/
 Where to get a 428 rebuilt in Ca Bay Area -- Trudy, 06/18/2006
Anyone have a recomendation of where I can get a 69 428cj engine rebuilt in the CA Bay Area or Sacramento area?

Thanks!
Trudy
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27754&Reply=27754><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>deck milling limts for 428 block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jonathan Eppstein, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Can I mill a 1966 428 deck as much as 0.200" ??<br><br>I know this will force me to mill the intake as well but that's OK.  I want to build my 428 with a forged 361 crank but use the standard 428 forged SCAT rods I already have.  Comments...<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Jonathan </blockquote> deck milling limts for 428 block -- Jonathan Eppstein, 06/18/2006
Can I mill a 1966 428 deck as much as 0.200" ??

I know this will force me to mill the intake as well but that's OK. I want to build my 428 with a forged 361 crank but use the standard 428 forged SCAT rods I already have. Comments...

Thanks,

Jonathan
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27762&Reply=27754><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>You can't deck it that far</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>You will have cracks all over the place.<br><br>Why on earth would you want to use a 3.5" stroke and a heavy steel crank? You will lose 25% horsepower at least.<br><br>Royce  </blockquote> You can't deck it that far -- Royce P, 06/18/2006
You will have cracks all over the place.

Why on earth would you want to use a 3.5" stroke and a heavy steel crank? You will lose 25% horsepower at least.

Royce
 RE: You can't deck it that far -- Chris Shomaker, 06/19/2006
Maybe trying to get it to rev 8k? I agree with Royce, you will have bad cracking and warping proably from just tightening the heads down. And not to mention blown gaskets every few thousand miles.

On a side note, you may run into clearance issues with a stroke like that, either from scraping on the counterweights to dropping the pistons to low in the skirt and causing cracks.

If you have your heart set on doing that it might be a wise idea to assemble atleast the crank and one piston and check how they relate to each other. And if everything works have the block sonic checked. If that works then i want you to tell me how you are going to get the intake to mate up with that kind of a drop? Not busting your chops just pointing out that if you mill the intake that much its going to cause issues with the ports and even a valley for fuel to gather. Then on top of that i dont think you could get the valve covers to seal if you droped it that much. Either way, if you can get it to work out, i applaude your out side the box thinking. If not hey, atleast you tried. Pick up the peices and start over.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27767&Reply=27754><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: You can't deck it that far</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jonathan Eppstein, <i>06/19/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>All said makes good sense.  I guess I just assume that any forged steel crank is a more robust unit than the cast stock 428 unit.  Guess I’ll put the 361 forged crank unit back out on ebay where I got it.<br><br> <br><br>Ciao, <br><br> <br><br>Jonathan Eppstein<br> </blockquote> RE: You can't deck it that far -- Jonathan Eppstein, 06/19/2006
All said makes good sense. I guess I just assume that any forged steel crank is a more robust unit than the cast stock 428 unit. Guess I’ll put the 361 forged crank unit back out on ebay where I got it.



Ciao,



Jonathan Eppstein
 RE: You can't deck it that far -- Royce P, 06/19/2006
Forged cranks are heavier. In the case of the one you have it was intended to allow a big heavy truck to lug along wide open throttle at 5000 RPM with a heavy load.

A high performance forged crank would be much lighter so that acceleration would be better. For your uses I think a good cast iron crank is best. Cast cranks are light and reliable. I posted a link to the best place to get a new one above.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27746&Reply=27746><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>full groove bearings/Oil pump/427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mrgte, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>I would like to understand more on the full groove bearings in a 427 side oilier<br>With full groove and a high volume oil pump the oil pressure is too low.What I have been told?.<br>Install a high pressure pump the pressure In my opinion is to high 100 psi cold 35 hot.What is the theory on this?Any recommendations? </blockquote> full groove bearings/Oil pump/427 -- mrgte, 06/18/2006
I would like to understand more on the full groove bearings in a 427 side oilier
With full groove and a high volume oil pump the oil pressure is too low.What I have been told?.
Install a high pressure pump the pressure In my opinion is to high 100 psi cold 35 hot.What is the theory on this?Any recommendations?
 RE: full groove bearings/Oil pump/427 -- John, 06/18/2006
A high pressure pump only allows the upper oil pressure limit to be higher. A regular high volume oil pump should be sufficient for all but drag racing. I set mine for about 85 psi max. The high volume pump will keep the pressure up a bit at lower rpms and at idle.

Not quite sure about the oil groove in the bearing. I was told it is merely an oil resevoir to help with lubrication should an air bubble come through. It shouldn't hurt oil pressure.

A drop in oil pressure is usually due to worn main bearings, or excessive bearing clearances when doing a rebuild.

Some oil filters are very restrictive. Try one of the high performance filters to get a small (say 5 psi) increase at idle.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27749&Reply=27746><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>You need more PSI in a side oiler - here's why</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ford originally used a high pressure oil pump in every side oiler. The reason is that the side oiler loses a lot of oil pressure before the oil gets up to the rocker shafts, since the crank gets the oil first. The path for oil to reach the rocker shafts is complex, tortuous and long since it has to go through the cam bearings where more leakage and pressure loss occurs. <br><br>The pressure you see on the guage is at the oil pump / filter housing. The side oiler used another pressure regulating valve at the rear of the block where MORE leakage occurs and pressure is regulated to maintain the desired flow to the top of the engine. While you might see 100 PSI on the guage in a cold engine the rocker shafts might be seeing 10 PSI at the same time. <br><br>My recommendation: Use a high volume / high pressure pump in a side oiler if it is being street driven. Use a larger capacity oil pan too.<br><br>Three side oilers in my cars right now, all equipped with HV / HP pumps. <br>Royce </blockquote> You need more PSI in a side oiler - here's why -- Royce P, 06/18/2006
Ford originally used a high pressure oil pump in every side oiler. The reason is that the side oiler loses a lot of oil pressure before the oil gets up to the rocker shafts, since the crank gets the oil first. The path for oil to reach the rocker shafts is complex, tortuous and long since it has to go through the cam bearings where more leakage and pressure loss occurs.

The pressure you see on the guage is at the oil pump / filter housing. The side oiler used another pressure regulating valve at the rear of the block where MORE leakage occurs and pressure is regulated to maintain the desired flow to the top of the engine. While you might see 100 PSI on the guage in a cold engine the rocker shafts might be seeing 10 PSI at the same time.

My recommendation: Use a high volume / high pressure pump in a side oiler if it is being street driven. Use a larger capacity oil pan too.

Three side oilers in my cars right now, all equipped with HV / HP pumps.
Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27753&Reply=27746><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: You need more PSI in a side oiler - here's why</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mrgte, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks John,Royce<br>I only found high psi pumps or high volume pumps.I was going to call melling and ask for hp and high volume pump.Or would I need to order a high volume pump and change the relief spring?Or what manufacture and part number pump do you recommend.<br>Mike </blockquote> RE: You need more PSI in a side oiler - here's why -- mrgte, 06/18/2006
Thanks John,Royce
I only found high psi pumps or high volume pumps.I was going to call melling and ask for hp and high volume pump.Or would I need to order a high volume pump and change the relief spring?Or what manufacture and part number pump do you recommend.
Mike
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27756&Reply=27746><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>You can get one here</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.precisionoilpump.com/">http://www.precisionoilpump.com/</a><br><br>Royce </blockquote> You can get one here -- Royce P, 06/18/2006
http://www.precisionoilpump.com/

Royce
 RE: You can get one here -- Royce P, 06/18/2006
Sorry for the typo, here's a good link:

http://precisionoilpumps.com/
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27744&Reply=27744><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>High pitched Whine when hot</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>For the past several years, I have a high pitched whine that changes with engine rpm.  It seems to be coming from the driver's side front.  There's not much on that side of the 428 except the Mallory distributor and the ignition coil.  This only happens when the engine has run for about an hour, and doesn't seem to happen at all on cold days.  The noise is very high picthed and doesn't sound as bad as alternator or water pump bearings.  I had this problem before I rebuilt the engine.  I still have it.  I wonder how the dist shaft gets lubricated.  Also, the gear on a Mallory Dist isn't very tight to the shaft like a Ford unit.  Any ideas anyone? </blockquote> High pitched Whine when hot -- John, 06/18/2006
For the past several years, I have a high pitched whine that changes with engine rpm. It seems to be coming from the driver's side front. There's not much on that side of the 428 except the Mallory distributor and the ignition coil. This only happens when the engine has run for about an hour, and doesn't seem to happen at all on cold days. The noise is very high picthed and doesn't sound as bad as alternator or water pump bearings. I had this problem before I rebuilt the engine. I still have it. I wonder how the dist shaft gets lubricated. Also, the gear on a Mallory Dist isn't very tight to the shaft like a Ford unit. Any ideas anyone?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27752&Reply=27744><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: High pitched Whine when hot</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>carb whine air noise leaking exaust ? </blockquote> RE: High pitched Whine when hot -- giacamo, 06/18/2006
carb whine air noise leaking exaust ?
 RE: High pitched Whine when hot -- John, 06/18/2006
It doesn't sound like that....not a whistle......more like a bearing, but not a screach, and of a pitch much higher in frequency than anything that should be rotating.

I've made sure everything is tight, and the engine was rebuilt once and the whine is still there. I've changed cylinder head gaskets since then too, (which means exhaust gaskets, etc,. have all been changed) and it's stll there, but not always, so troubleshooting is difficult. I hate waiting until something breaks to find out.

I have a mechanics stethascope...next time it happens, I am going to try to pinpoint the noise.....if I can.

I know it's hard to tell about noises wihtout hearing them. I'm no slouch around engines, but I've never heard anything like it before. Any ideas are appreciated. I was hoping someone may have experienced the same thing before and could provide some light into the matter.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27742&Reply=27742><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Engine noise</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joe, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am just wondering if this is weather related. The temperature has hit 90 degress for the first time.  I noticed when I am ideling for a while my engine will start to make a noise like marbles raddeling. The noise sounds like it coming from the valve train. It comes and goes. Is this commom.  I have Edelbrock RPM heads with a mild compcam, hydrolic lifters and adjustable valves. </blockquote> Engine noise -- Joe, 06/18/2006
I am just wondering if this is weather related. The temperature has hit 90 degress for the first time. I noticed when I am ideling for a while my engine will start to make a noise like marbles raddeling. The noise sounds like it coming from the valve train. It comes and goes. Is this commom. I have Edelbrock RPM heads with a mild compcam, hydrolic lifters and adjustable valves.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27743&Reply=27742><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What weight oil are you running?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>What weight oil are you using?<br><br>What is your oil pressure at idle?<br><br>Er.....is the oil topped up? </blockquote> What weight oil are you running? -- John, 06/18/2006
What weight oil are you using?

What is your oil pressure at idle?

Er.....is the oil topped up?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27745&Reply=27742><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: What weight oil are you running?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joe, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Straight 30 </blockquote> RE: What weight oil are you running? -- Joe, 06/18/2006
Straight 30
 RE: What weight oil are you running? -- John, 06/18/2006
And your oil pressure? What is it, both at an idle, and say around 2000 rpm or higher? Should be at least 15 at idle, and over 40 at 2000 rpm....or there-abouts.

The noise might just be thin oil (thinner on a hot day) in a slightly worn engine. Oil pressure may be low and lifters and valves are noisy.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27750&Reply=27742><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: What weight oil are you running?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>06/18/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>Straight 30W is too thin for hot weather. A good oil for summer driving is Valvoline Racing 20W-50. I use it year around, it is perfect for my area (Cincinnati) where it seldom stays below freezing in the winter and summer can be 95 degrees at times.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> RE: What weight oil are you running? -- Royce P, 06/18/2006
Straight 30W is too thin for hot weather. A good oil for summer driving is Valvoline Racing 20W-50. I use it year around, it is perfect for my area (Cincinnati) where it seldom stays below freezing in the winter and summer can be 95 degrees at times.

Royce
 RE: What weight oil are you running? -- Joe, 06/18/2006
Called the guy that rebuilt the engine, said 30w is fine. Probably need valve adjustment. So I changed oil to Valvoline 20w50 anyway. All I can say is SWEEEEEEEET! Valve adjustment? I don't think so. My engine guy is great, don't get me rong but he is a little old school. Thanks Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27729&Reply=27729><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>gt mustang</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>wes, <i>06/17/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>does anyone know if there was a gt mustang fastback in 1969, and how rare they are? </blockquote> gt mustang -- wes, 06/17/2006
does anyone know if there was a gt mustang fastback in 1969, and how rare they are?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=27731&Reply=27729><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: gt mustang</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Randy, <i>06/17/2006</i></font><br /><blockquote>There were 4,084 Mustang Fastback GTs built in 1969. 1,483 Hts, 1,127 Convertibles for a total of 6,694 GTs </blockquote> RE: gt mustang -- Randy, 06/17/2006
There were 4,084 Mustang Fastback GTs built in 1969. 1,483 Hts, 1,127 Convertibles for a total of 6,694 GTs
 RE: gt mustang -- McQ, 06/17/2006
Now that's a good, succinct answer! Thanks Randy.
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