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 Intake install and wire recomendations -- dennie, 07/26/2003
Hello I'm finally installing my edelbrock f380 tripower intake, I plan to use the victor reines gaskets i've read about on here. Any other tips etc i should know before removing the 37 yr old original, should lift right off right? Also need a good brand of spark plug wires to replace the originals, heard belden mentioned before I know they make commo wire and etc do they sell spark wires under that name and where can you buy. i prefer black wires also. I will post pics of this interesting (to me anyways) intake setup once I bolt it together.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17917&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 cobra jet bellhousing question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>tom, <i>07/26/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>decided to sell my spare bellhousing (C6OA6394D dated 8H12) which i personally pulled from a 428 cj engine.  it has original blue overspray from factory but looks rusty.  i don't know whether to media blast it which will remove the overspray, or sell as is.  any opinions? </blockquote> 428 cobra jet bellhousing question -- tom, 07/26/2003
decided to sell my spare bellhousing (C6OA6394D dated 8H12) which i personally pulled from a 428 cj engine. it has original blue overspray from factory but looks rusty. i don't know whether to media blast it which will remove the overspray, or sell as is. any opinions?
 May be worth more to buyer if not detailed. -- Ted E., 07/26/2003
Cleaning it up and detailing the bellhousing may be a deterrent to someone looking to buy as it may be detailed already differently than what they had in mind. I know this is true to engine parts as I'd much rather buy parts that have not had any machine work versus some that are "fresh" and ready to go.
 RE: 428 cobra jet bellhousing question -- Cris, 09/18/2004
Tom,
I'm interested, how much?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22826&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 cobra jet bellhousing question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>09/18/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The bell housing is not as hard to come up with, the offset clutch fork for the unibody autos is the thing i have problems finding, do you have the offset fork? </blockquote> RE: 428 cobra jet bellhousing question -- giacamo, 09/18/2004
The bell housing is not as hard to come up with, the offset clutch fork for the unibody autos is the thing i have problems finding, do you have the offset fork?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22841&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Clutch Fork</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>09/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The fork, part stamping C8OA-7515-D, for the big input toploader with the spring clip for the bar slot is available repro at all of the normal sources.  Prices vary from $75 and up.  Worth doing your shopping on this one.<br><br>I just finished a C6 to Top Loader swap on my 390 '67 Fairlane using this fork.  Fits perfectly. </blockquote> RE: Clutch Fork -- Gerry Proctor, 09/20/2004
The fork, part stamping C8OA-7515-D, for the big input toploader with the spring clip for the bar slot is available repro at all of the normal sources. Prices vary from $75 and up. Worth doing your shopping on this one.

I just finished a C6 to Top Loader swap on my 390 '67 Fairlane using this fork. Fits perfectly.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22844&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Clutch Fork</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>09/20/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>are the repo ones any good? some repo stuff pees me off. </blockquote> RE: Clutch Fork -- giacamo, 09/20/2004
are the repo ones any good? some repo stuff pees me off.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22845&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Same quality as factory stuff. n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>09/21/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> RE: Same quality as factory stuff. n/m -- Gerry Proctor, 09/21/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22873&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Same quality as factory stuff. n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>09/23/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i will try one thanks, </blockquote> RE: Same quality as factory stuff. n/m -- giacamo, 09/23/2004
i will try one thanks,
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22881&Reply=17917><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Just FYI on that fork.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>09/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Since we were referring to a CJ, the assumption is that this is consistent for a big input (1 3/8) Toploader, which is what that particular fork is for. </blockquote> RE: Just FYI on that fork. -- Gerry Proctor, 09/27/2004
Since we were referring to a CJ, the assumption is that this is consistent for a big input (1 3/8) Toploader, which is what that particular fork is for.
 RE: Just FYI on that fork. -- walt, 05/31/2006
ok pot stirring i ran the 11 1/2 flywheel with the truck bell housing,light truckwith the 427 plate and the 1 1/16 10 spline,in my 428 in pickem up truck,puled the 28,twisting drive shafts get costly,dropped down to the 11 incher,costs a lot less but i had ordered the heavy plate,minus counter wieghtsm,so i could still grab gears almost as good as the top loader,in my new process 435 tranny,grabbed almost same if not the same as the 11 1/2 incher,and replaced the 28 with a 390,quit twisting shafts,but them broken axles are costly,that 390 with a good clucth works good also,maybe i should go back to 428,axle shafts cost bucks and the other thing is that i keep busting third gear,and or also the cluster gear on 3rd or 2nd gear,forgot to say the 1 1/16 spline,11 1/2 incher was special order discthe 11 incher can work as good as the 11 1/2,the disc for 1 3/8 spline might be a challange, to find,also the bearing,fork,trans bearing collar,included
 RE: 428 cobra jet bellhousing question -- gary, 09/01/2005
Tom i am intersted in the bell housing can you contact me.
 lifter and pushrod problem -- Boyd, 07/26/2003
I've got a 410 Merc with Edelbrock Performer RPM cam and lifters, H/S roller rockers, and Crane 3/8 pushrods. The rockers were sliding off of the valves on a couple of cylinders. I assumed the springs were worn so I bought some solid spacers from Dove. After I installed them I noticed that some of the pushrods were rubbing on the intake which is also Edelbrock Performer RPM. Today I pulled the intake off to ream out the holes and noticed that the pushrods were not sitting in the lifters quite right. The keepers had come off of two of the lifters so I'm going to replace the lifters. Just wondering if I should buy the lifters that match my pushrods or change the lifters and the pushrods to 5/16. Is anyone running aything similar to this setup? Any help is appreciated
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17912&Reply=17912><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>65 Mercury ID codes</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kevin, <i>07/26/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>can someone point me at a site that will have all of the ID plate codes for 1965 Mercurys ? i found on site but my codes did not seem to match up <br><br>the plate on the door has 2 code the top one is: 6z54m528628<br>the other reads: 54B Z 38 16L 22 6 4 </blockquote> 65 Mercury ID codes -- Kevin, 07/26/2003
can someone point me at a site that will have all of the ID plate codes for 1965 Mercurys ? i found on site but my codes did not seem to match up

the plate on the door has 2 code the top one is: 6z54m528628
the other reads: 54B Z 38 16L 22 6 4
 another question -- Kevin, 07/26/2003
I forgot to add this but My 390 it smoking a lot out from under the valve covers and from the oil fill hole, and its drinking gas like crazy any suggestions on what to check out ?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17914&Reply=17912><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Must be a full sized merc, tried int. merc owners.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dennie, <i>07/26/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I only know about comets but if the vin is 6z this is a 1966 car   Are you sure about the 6z54m this says its a 1966 made at Z factory?? with a body style  54 ( 4 door or 2 door post?) and an M? code engine  could you have the Z and M mixed up?  A z code was a 390, i've never seen the M code for a v-8 anyways. I'll check my books tonite when i get home to be positive.  </blockquote> Must be a full sized merc, tried int. merc owners. -- dennie, 07/26/2003
I only know about comets but if the vin is 6z this is a 1966 car Are you sure about the 6z54m this says its a 1966 made at Z factory?? with a body style 54 ( 4 door or 2 door post?) and an M? code engine could you have the Z and M mixed up? A z code was a 390, i've never seen the M code for a v-8 anyways. I'll check my books tonite when i get home to be positive.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17935&Reply=17912><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Must be a full sized merc, tried int. merc owners.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kevin, <i>07/28/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>i double checked the code and what i put up was accurate, its a 1965 Mercury Montclair Breezeway with the 390c.i.d  2v carb.  </blockquote> RE: Must be a full sized merc, tried int. merc owners. -- Kevin, 07/28/2003
i double checked the code and what i put up was accurate, its a 1965 Mercury Montclair Breezeway with the 390c.i.d 2v carb.
 http://www.mercuryclub.com/NTech.html -- dennie, 07/28/2003
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17907&Reply=17907><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 FE questions...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Frank Cricenti, <i>07/25/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 390 FE GT motor out of a 67 Fairlane GTA.  It is currently getting rebuilt and machined.<br><br>It is currently going into a 66 Fairlane 500xl. I want to here some recommendations from you FE experts. It will be a street driven. I want to focus on low end torque and hp. Suggestions please.<br><br>I have decided to go with a edelbrock performer 390 alum intake. The engine is 0.020 over.  I have also rebuilt the C6 and put a TransGo shift kit and new converter in the tranny. <br><br>What else could I do with this motor? What could I get out of this motor? Should I go with headers or use the stock gt exhaust manifolds?  What type of gears should I run... I have heavy duty suspension and a 9inch re?  <br><br>I know... a lot of questions... but not many Ford guys up here in Canada... Thought I would ask the experts..<br><br>Thanks<br>Frank </blockquote> 390 FE questions... -- Frank Cricenti, 07/25/2003
I have a 390 FE GT motor out of a 67 Fairlane GTA. It is currently getting rebuilt and machined.

It is currently going into a 66 Fairlane 500xl. I want to here some recommendations from you FE experts. It will be a street driven. I want to focus on low end torque and hp. Suggestions please.

I have decided to go with a edelbrock performer 390 alum intake. The engine is 0.020 over. I have also rebuilt the C6 and put a TransGo shift kit and new converter in the tranny.

What else could I do with this motor? What could I get out of this motor? Should I go with headers or use the stock gt exhaust manifolds? What type of gears should I run... I have heavy duty suspension and a 9inch re?

I know... a lot of questions... but not many Ford guys up here in Canada... Thought I would ask the experts..

Thanks
Frank
 RE:my ideas -- McQ, 07/25/2003
You asked for it Frank so here goes my ideas. There should be lots of different ones forthcoming but this should get the ball rolling for you.

If I were to build a 390GT now here's what I'd do:

Intake - I've run & liked the Performer but that was back before the RPM was available. I'd choose the the E'brock RPM now and I'd go with their 750CFM carb too. I ran one of those on a 428CJ and by using the "Strip Kit" for this carb along with Edelbrock's instructions and a little 1-800 help the carb worked perfectly and it never leaked!!

Cam - as has been said many times...tough to recommend because there are so many variables and expectations but yo did say"street driven" so I'd say keep it very reasonable. I still like good old C6OZ-B and it's available from Crane/Comp. But again what I'd do is go with something like Comp's 282S - yes a solid lifter shaft. I have had the most success with solids. The Comp 282S is mild enough to be very streetable but I know many who have run this cam with much success. I think Royce has been very happy with this cam in one of his engines. He may tell you more. I have this cam in my 427 based on a lot of "research" i.e., talking to people who have run it. I still haven't fired mine up yet but it's getting closer.

Heads - if your '67 GT 390 has the C6AE-R heads that's good. Use them. Have CJ/Lo Riser intake/exhaust valves installed with some pocket port work and they'll work nearly if not as well as CJ, C8OE-N heads. If your 389 has the C7AE heads....I'd get rid of 'em. Remember that's what I'd do. The C6-R head has the tall intake ports and just offer more performance advantages if built. The C6AE-R heads are readily avaiable. Don't forget to look under the hoods of '66 F100 with 352-2V's...there likely to be there. Also '66 Galaxies with 352, 390 and 428s. You might get lucky and find a set of R's already drilled/tapped for the unibody exhaust manifolds....which is next.

headers vs. exhaust manifolds - don't use the stock manifolds. I'd choose something like FPA, Ford Power Applications, Puyallup, WA, is offering. They're built well and they fit well. A major power robber on the 390GT was the extremely restrictive stock exhaust manifolds. The only Fairlane 390s I ever saw run really well had headers. I'm talking street driven 390 Fairlanes that would run in the 13's.

Pistons - forged and something that will provide at least 9.5:1 with 10:1 being better. You should be able to get by fine with Premium unleaded currently available.

ARP - use high quality fasteners throughout the engine. Have a pro who knows FEs do your work.

MSD ignition - they now have a new distributor featuring vacuum advance. Go with this and their module, 6A or 6AL.

Trans - you don't say which one you're using in your '66 but you indicated that the engine came from a GTA so....automatic-C6? Great. I'd run the available low first gear package and have the trans pro built for street/strip performance. I'd also suggest a mild stall convertor but it's not absolutely necessary. I like the from the light response from a stock stall GT/CJ torque convertor. But a mild stall, 2,200-2,400 RPM is okay for the street. Because I'd want to be able to run at the strip well I'd go with the mild stall along with a set of BFG radial street slicks for those special days I'd be driving to that strip if there's still one around you.

There you go...just a bunch of random ideas that I might do if I were to build a 390/428 for a Fairlane/Comet/Cougar/Mustang. Which I like to think I might do again someday.

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17899&Reply=17899><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>SCJ Balancer</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>James, <i>07/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am looking at on a guy is selling. WHat should i pay for it? Dont want to low ball just need to know a fair price.<br>       TIA,<br>           james </blockquote> SCJ Balancer -- James, 07/24/2003
I am looking at on a guy is selling. WHat should i pay for it? Dont want to low ball just need to know a fair price.
TIA,
james
 Just the round balancer? $150-200 is fair for a nice one. [n/m] -- Mr F, 07/24/2003
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17898&Reply=17898><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Ported vacuum source??</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>DAVE HOLT, <i>07/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Please explain. There is a timed and a full vac port on this carb.. Why are my timing marks not alaigning  ? Balancer looks good.. Thanks Dave  </blockquote> Ported vacuum source?? -- DAVE HOLT, 07/24/2003
Please explain. There is a timed and a full vac port on this carb.. Why are my timing marks not alaigning ? Balancer looks good.. Thanks Dave
 RE: Try this, Dave... -- Gerry Proctor, 07/24/2003
Click the SEARCH button at the page's top and type "ported vacuum advance" into the window and let her fly.

This site has a search engine better than most and just about any question you could ask has been asked and answered (sometimes through lengthy debate) many times over.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17897&Reply=17897><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 with 427 heads?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ruben, <i>07/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I just purchased a 66 Galaxie 500xl with a 390 and am looking to give it some more power. I was wondering if anyone knew the effects of boring .30 over and using 76cc 427 low-riser heads (edelbrock: 60079), an edelbrock Performer 390 (#2105) intake, performer cam (2106), and a 428 crankshaft. I'm fairly new to building hot engines so I'm looking for any help I can get. If you know of what needs to be done to make this work, or of a better setup, please feel free to suggest. Also please point out any thing for this setup or any other I may be leaving out. Thanks. -Ruben </blockquote> 390 with 427 heads? -- Ruben, 07/24/2003
I just purchased a 66 Galaxie 500xl with a 390 and am looking to give it some more power. I was wondering if anyone knew the effects of boring .30 over and using 76cc 427 low-riser heads (edelbrock: 60079), an edelbrock Performer 390 (#2105) intake, performer cam (2106), and a 428 crankshaft. I'm fairly new to building hot engines so I'm looking for any help I can get. If you know of what needs to be done to make this work, or of a better setup, please feel free to suggest. Also please point out any thing for this setup or any other I may be leaving out. Thanks. -Ruben
 Heads -- Royce Peterson, 07/24/2003
The Edelbrock 427 heads have a machined combustion chamber which gives a little lower compression than the Edelbrock 428 heads. Check with Edelbrock, I believe the valve spacing is also different than the Edelbrock 390/428 heads and might cause a cylinder wall interference problem on a 390 engine's 4.080" bore since they are intended for a 4.23" or larger bore.
http://www.edelbrock.com

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17894&Reply=17894><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Problem with edelbrock carb.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>DAVE HOLT, <i>07/23/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just rebuilt my 428 pi motor  <br>carb -new edelbrock performer<br>dist- new single advance <br><br>problem - set timing at best vacuum. Check with timing light and timing mark is not even close but runs fine. When i install dist. Vac line to timed port it skips badly, when i install to full vac port it quits running. Do i need a vac regulator?? suspect my balancer is cheezed but shouldnt it still run ? <br> help!! want to go to a show this weekend. Thanks dave.  </blockquote> Problem with edelbrock carb. -- DAVE HOLT, 07/23/2003
Just rebuilt my 428 pi motor
carb -new edelbrock performer
dist- new single advance

problem - set timing at best vacuum. Check with timing light and timing mark is not even close but runs fine. When i install dist. Vac line to timed port it skips badly, when i install to full vac port it quits running. Do i need a vac regulator?? suspect my balancer is cheezed but shouldnt it still run ?
help!! want to go to a show this weekend. Thanks dave.
 Ummmmm Dave....... -- Royce Peterson, 07/23/2003
Set the timing to best vacuum with the vacuum line from the distributor hooked up to the ported vacuum source. Then test drive the car, you may have to retard it slightly if pinging results under full throttle acceleration.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17892&Reply=17892><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>1968 CJ heads</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>cmcobra66, <i>07/22/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a set of heads casting no. c8ae 6090-J <br>427 low riser <br>I have been told that these heads were used on the 1968 cobrajet drag cars at the winter nats.Is this true ? What is their value? </blockquote> 1968 CJ heads -- cmcobra66, 07/22/2003
I have a set of heads casting no. c8ae 6090-J
427 low riser
I have been told that these heads were used on the 1968 cobrajet drag cars at the winter nats.Is this true ? What is their value?
 True. -- Royce Peterson, 07/22/2003
There are three varieties of the C8AE 6090-J. The ones used on the drag cars had eight bolt exhaust bolt pattern like a 427 Low Riser. Production heads started out with 14 bolt pattern so that the 390 GT exhaust manifolds could be used. Around January the production cars started receiving the CJ exhaust manifolds that needed a 16 bolt pattern on the exhaust side. These heads (at least all the ones I have seen) have dates between June 1967 and December 1967. The C8OE 6090-N heads seem to have dates no earlier than January 1968.

You can find more information at:
http://www.428cobrajet.com

I would guess that a set of those J heads that were not cracked or milled excessively could sell for $1000 in rebuildable condition.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17904&Reply=17892><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 1968 CJ heads</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>cmcobra66, <i>07/24/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Tell me more about these heads . I'm trying to trace the history . Ilive in the Atlanta area lots of drag racers in this area Hubert Platt  ecttttt..... </blockquote> RE: 1968 CJ heads -- cmcobra66, 07/24/2003
Tell me more about these heads . I'm trying to trace the history . Ilive in the Atlanta area lots of drag racers in this area Hubert Platt ecttttt.....
 Don't know what else I can tell you. -- Royce Peterson, 07/25/2003
The -J heads are correct for the earliest 428CJ cars (before about mid January 68) and the early 427GTE Cougars.

My January 1968 Cougar GTE 427 has a set. I don't think they would be any better than C80E-N heads for racing. They are worth a premium to someone restoring one of the cars I just mentioned.

Royce
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