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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17429&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Genesis 427 block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Orin, <i>06/04/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>  I visited the Genesis 427 (side oiler?) stand at Carlisle last week (just curious) and found what I'd describe as a pretty skeptical crowd gathered around looking at the products.  The general feeling was that the Genesis block didn't have what it takes even though it is nearly identical to the original.<br>  Out of curiosity, what is the knock on the Genesis block, if any? </blockquote> Genesis 427 block -- Orin, 06/04/2003
I visited the Genesis 427 (side oiler?) stand at Carlisle last week (just curious) and found what I'd describe as a pretty skeptical crowd gathered around looking at the products. The general feeling was that the Genesis block didn't have what it takes even though it is nearly identical to the original.
Out of curiosity, what is the knock on the Genesis block, if any?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17430&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Genesis blocks</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce Peterson, <i>06/04/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>So far as I know there are only two Genesis blocks currently running and driving in cars. Another 100 or so were shipped in the past two weeks. Genesis has spent huge amounts of time and money to get these blocks to market. The price at $3400 is cheaper than any NOS side oiler block. <br><br>How many people in the skeptics crowd had a 427 of their own? <br><br>I think there is no way to answer your question because right now there is no one to answer it. Time will tell if they are as good as claimed. Until some are in use no one can know.<br><br>Royce </blockquote> Genesis blocks -- Royce Peterson, 06/04/2003
So far as I know there are only two Genesis blocks currently running and driving in cars. Another 100 or so were shipped in the past two weeks. Genesis has spent huge amounts of time and money to get these blocks to market. The price at $3400 is cheaper than any NOS side oiler block.

How many people in the skeptics crowd had a 427 of their own?

I think there is no way to answer your question because right now there is no one to answer it. Time will tell if they are as good as claimed. Until some are in use no one can know.

Royce
 RE: Genesis blocks -- Tony, 06/06/2003
I don't have any personal experience with the product but was curious and searched the Web, came up with this thread.

http://www.clubhotrod.com/t535.html
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17459&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>That's ugly.  Thanks for the link n/m</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Orin, <i>06/09/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>nm </blockquote> That's ugly. Thanks for the link n/m -- Orin, 06/09/2003
nm
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17460&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Just growing pains.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>06/09/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I do know that Tim is dedicated to getting Genesis launched, and he has put tremendous efforts into producing quality blocks.  The results look promising, though the sustainable launch of the company is not yet assured.  Tim has made numerous personal financial sacrifices along the way which I don't think he was expecting, and money is still not coming in.<br><br>THe list of interested customers is growing, but no money is being accepted beyond the first 100 prepaid block orders of long ago which were necessary to get proper pricing from the foundry, machine shop, pattern house, and other resources necessary to bring this project together.<br><br>I am hopeful the production process can be streamlined before Genesis runs out of time and/or money.  I believe it can.<br><br>It's my opinion that this is one effort that deserves our full support, even if it is not presently offering the necessary levels customer service it will eventually need.<br><br>JMO,<br>Shoe.<br>(the semiofficial Genesis information gopher) </blockquote> Just growing pains. -- Dave Shoe, 06/09/2003
I do know that Tim is dedicated to getting Genesis launched, and he has put tremendous efforts into producing quality blocks. The results look promising, though the sustainable launch of the company is not yet assured. Tim has made numerous personal financial sacrifices along the way which I don't think he was expecting, and money is still not coming in.

THe list of interested customers is growing, but no money is being accepted beyond the first 100 prepaid block orders of long ago which were necessary to get proper pricing from the foundry, machine shop, pattern house, and other resources necessary to bring this project together.

I am hopeful the production process can be streamlined before Genesis runs out of time and/or money. I believe it can.

It's my opinion that this is one effort that deserves our full support, even if it is not presently offering the necessary levels customer service it will eventually need.

JMO,
Shoe.
(the semiofficial Genesis information gopher)
 RE: Just growing pains. -- Rich A., 08/15/2003
I guess I am one of the first 100 to put a deposit down, which I did back in October 01. I have spoken to Tim since and I still think he is making every effort to pull it off.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17482&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>hawkrod, <i>06/12/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>there is no doubt that the genesis block is superior to an original block in many ways. and i can honestly say that the owners of the company are not trying to rip people off. this is a new product being devoleped and as dave pointed out it was much harder than anticipated. there may be problems getting a preordered engine due to the fact that they have not produced enough viable units so far. but they are definitely not ripping people off (otherwise they would be accepting thousands of orders with deposites which they will not do). hawkrod </blockquote> the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but.... -- hawkrod, 06/12/2003
there is no doubt that the genesis block is superior to an original block in many ways. and i can honestly say that the owners of the company are not trying to rip people off. this is a new product being devoleped and as dave pointed out it was much harder than anticipated. there may be problems getting a preordered engine due to the fact that they have not produced enough viable units so far. but they are definitely not ripping people off (otherwise they would be accepting thousands of orders with deposites which they will not do). hawkrod
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17725&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry R, <i>07/08/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have one of the early Genesis blocks.  It appear to be a good unit that will meet all expectations.  The only reason its not together is a lack of time - - my own.<br><br>Doing something new - - for the first time - - is really tough.  Give them a break and some time to catch up.  The alternatives are to get what we had before - - which was nothing. </blockquote> RE: the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but.... -- Barry R, 07/08/2003
I have one of the early Genesis blocks. It appear to be a good unit that will meet all expectations. The only reason its not together is a lack of time - - my own.

Doing something new - - for the first time - - is really tough. Give them a break and some time to catch up. The alternatives are to get what we had before - - which was nothing.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17996&Reply=17429><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but....</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bill, <i>08/03/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Barry -- we're looking forward to hearing updates of your Genesis block build-up, when you have the chance. </blockquote> RE: the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but.... -- Bill, 08/03/2003
Barry -- we're looking forward to hearing updates of your Genesis block build-up, when you have the chance.
 RE: the Genesis 427 block has what it takes but.... -- Steve Gundlach, 08/19/2003
Interesting point noticed in the ad for Keith Craft Racing Engines current magazine ad. Offering an upgrade to the Genisis block for the extra $3,200.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17426&Reply=17426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>67? 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Al Phillips, <i>06/03/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'm waiting for a ?67 390 to be delivered. It was taken out of a pick-up. Just assuming that it is "original", which head casting #s would usually be on it ? Also, is there anything special (good or bad) about 1967 390s ? Thanks </blockquote> 67? 390 -- Al Phillips, 06/03/2003
I'm waiting for a ?67 390 to be delivered. It was taken out of a pick-up. Just assuming that it is "original", which head casting #s would usually be on it ? Also, is there anything special (good or bad) about 1967 390s ? Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17427&Reply=17426><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>don't know but...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>06/03/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>in '67 the biggest pickup engine was the 352 so you could have anything.  Maybe wait 'till you get it to find out more.  Look for numbers on the block, heads, intake, carb, dizzy and maybe even an engine tag.  Do a check of the stroke too so you're not getting ripped off. </blockquote> don't know but... -- Barry B, 06/03/2003
in '67 the biggest pickup engine was the 352 so you could have anything. Maybe wait 'till you get it to find out more. Look for numbers on the block, heads, intake, carb, dizzy and maybe even an engine tag. Do a check of the stroke too so you're not getting ripped off.
 RE: don't know but... -- Al Phillips, 06/05/2003
let me think now, a running 352 for 200$ CDN ? ya, i'll take it ! I'm just hoping to aquire another pair of C6AE-R heads. Thanks, Al.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17425&Reply=17425><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FE C-6 free to good home</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike Harris, <i>06/03/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a C-6 that came out of a 66 T bird. I dont plan on using it and right now its taking up space. Im sure it needs to be rebuilt but hey ITS FREE !.<br> Im located on the Maryland Eastern Shore. If anyone wants it email me at  novass@intercom.net.<br><br> NO I WILL NOT SHIP ! </blockquote> FE C-6 free to good home -- Mike Harris, 06/03/2003
I have a C-6 that came out of a 66 T bird. I dont plan on using it and right now its taking up space. Im sure it needs to be rebuilt but hey ITS FREE !.
Im located on the Maryland Eastern Shore. If anyone wants it email me at novass@intercom.net.

NO I WILL NOT SHIP !
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17433&Reply=17425><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Mike I'd love to take it.....But</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>pop428, <i>06/05/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>It's a long drive from Australia...  And I'm in need of a C6 housing as well which makes it worse.....: (<br><br><br> </blockquote> Mike I'd love to take it.....But -- pop428, 06/05/2003
It's a long drive from Australia... And I'm in need of a C6 housing as well which makes it worse.....: (


 RE: Mike I'd love to take it.....But -- Mike Harris, 06/05/2003
Its already spoken for, got half dozen emails in the first day.
 RE: FE C-6 free to good home -- ford429cjlover, 06/05/2003
i'm interested. located in alexandria va. where are you?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17423&Reply=17423><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Changing to Edlebrock heads and Intake??</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kathy, <i>06/03/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 390 with gt heads(c7ae-a) and a 428 CJ Intake(c80e-9425-c), that I am  in the process of having overhauled.  By luck I have come across a set of RPM Performer complete heads (new) and a RPM Perf. mainifold (used 3 months) for under $1,000. He will sell together or seperate.  Do you think the intake is worth changing out?  What cam would you match it with? And what headers can I use that will fit in a 67 Convertible? I want this car to scream but would love to drive it to the 40th Anniversary next year. </blockquote> Changing to Edlebrock heads and Intake?? -- Kathy, 06/03/2003
I have a 390 with gt heads(c7ae-a) and a 428 CJ Intake(c80e-9425-c), that I am in the process of having overhauled. By luck I have come across a set of RPM Performer complete heads (new) and a RPM Perf. mainifold (used 3 months) for under $1,000. He will sell together or seperate. Do you think the intake is worth changing out? What cam would you match it with? And what headers can I use that will fit in a 67 Convertible? I want this car to scream but would love to drive it to the 40th Anniversary next year.
 RE: Changing to Edlebrock heads and Intake?? -- incubus2432, 06/03/2003
I think it is worth it.....I have the same heads and intake along with the matching Edelbrock RPM cam and am satisfied with the performance and drivability. I am by no means a cam expert so I'm sure you will get plenty of advice from those more knowledgable. As far as headers.......if the convertable you are referring to is a Mustang, I would highly recommend FPA headers from www.fordpowertrain.com they fit great and with an x-pipe, 40 series Flowmasters and 2.5" pipe the rest of the way back it really screams when you get on it. Good Luck.
 RE: Changing to Edlebrock heads and Intake?? -- Geoff McNew, 06/09/2003
I'm running Edelbrock heads and Perf. RPM intake on my 428-SCJ. Edelbrock CNC's the intake to match with the medium riser port dimensions of their heads....w/just a tad of gasket matching was all that was needed.

What you have now may not be good at all if the CJ intake manifold ports extend below the bottom of the ports in your GT heads. You never want the intake ports to be larger than the head ports.

Also, Edelbrock makes (2) FE heads, one with 76 cc chambers and larger 427 valves which you don't want unless you want to lose compression and have to notch the block big time to unshroud the 2.19" intake valves. The other head uses 72 cc heads, smaller CJ sized valves and 16 bolt CJ exhaust ports. Both have medium riser intake port dimensions.

 part numbers -- JKellerman, 06/02/2003

Can anybody give me parts numbers for 427 low riser heads and 1969 428 cobra jet blocks. If the engine is in the car is there a way of telling without taking the car apart?? I'am trying to do this without physically being there. Just pictures over E-mail
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17413&Reply=17413><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>roller rockers Vs stock rocker covers..</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>pop428, <i>06/02/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Can you run roller rockers when using the Factory alloy rockers cover on a 428 cj..Or do I have to use the factory 427 adjustable set up?? I wanting to run a solid cam and Roller set up......I'd be thankful for any advise.<br><br>Peter<br>1969 Mach1 <br>428Cjr <br>WT 7034 Green. </blockquote> roller rockers Vs stock rocker covers.. -- pop428, 06/02/2003
Can you run roller rockers when using the Factory alloy rockers cover on a 428 cj..Or do I have to use the factory 427 adjustable set up?? I wanting to run a solid cam and Roller set up......I'd be thankful for any advise.

Peter
1969 Mach1
428Cjr
WT 7034 Green.
 RE: roller rockers Vs stock rocker covers.. -- Geoff McNew, 06/02/2003
My Erson roller rockers' adjustment nut on the end rockers hit the underside of my "snake" 428 Cobra Jet covers on my 428-scj. Had to go with taller Cobra Lemans type.
 RE: roller rockers Vs stock rocker covers.. -- 390 ranger, 06/04/2003
i used powered by ford stamped steel ones however you have to smash the piece under the oil fill and pvc holes on the vale covers. i am running the harland sharpes on my 390.

if the desire is great enough we can make anything work.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17411&Reply=17411><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Leaking 390GT</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike, <i>06/02/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi all,<br>Been trying to narrow down where my oil leaks are coming from.  Most was claimed to be rebuilt by the PO and has $5K on it.  Put it on the dyno last week and at the wheels got 193hp, 312trq.  It is a pretty much stock 390GT motor with a CJ style cam.<br><br>I think I found the leak on the pass. side.  Oil is seaping out from around the PCV valuve grommet on the valve cover, then dripping down around the back of the exhaust manifold.  I have a new grommet on order and will see if that helps.<br><br>Driver side, somehow the oil is leaking down from somewhere and dripping off the power steering hoses.  Might be coming from around the oil filter area or coming from around the oil breather cap and moving down the side of the valve cover.<br><br>Could there be too much pressure building up in the motor causing the oil to leaking out of these areas?  I got a new pcv valve but have not installed since I'm trying to find a right angle type one.<br><br>What is the best way to track these leaks down...spray some brake cleaner around the areas to clean them up and run the motor and watch?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Mike </blockquote> Leaking 390GT -- Mike, 06/02/2003
Hi all,
Been trying to narrow down where my oil leaks are coming from. Most was claimed to be rebuilt by the PO and has $5K on it. Put it on the dyno last week and at the wheels got 193hp, 312trq. It is a pretty much stock 390GT motor with a CJ style cam.

I think I found the leak on the pass. side. Oil is seaping out from around the PCV valuve grommet on the valve cover, then dripping down around the back of the exhaust manifold. I have a new grommet on order and will see if that helps.

Driver side, somehow the oil is leaking down from somewhere and dripping off the power steering hoses. Might be coming from around the oil filter area or coming from around the oil breather cap and moving down the side of the valve cover.

Could there be too much pressure building up in the motor causing the oil to leaking out of these areas? I got a new pcv valve but have not installed since I'm trying to find a right angle type one.

What is the best way to track these leaks down...spray some brake cleaner around the areas to clean them up and run the motor and watch?

Thanks,
Mike
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17417&Reply=17411><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Just FYI: original PCV was threaded into an elbow fitting. [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>06/02/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Just FYI: original PCV was threaded into an elbow fitting. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/02/2003
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17419&Reply=17411><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Just FYI: original PCV was threaded into an elbow fitting. [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike, <i>06/02/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I tried to get the elbow fitting off the current PCV valve but it won't budge.  After looking closer the Purolator PCV valve I got at the auto store is a larger diameter  then the one in the car now and even if I got the elbow fitting off, it wouldn't fit over the new one anyway.<br>Should I be able to buy the right fitting?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Mike </blockquote> RE: Just FYI: original PCV was threaded into an elbow fitting. [n/m] -- Mike, 06/02/2003
I tried to get the elbow fitting off the current PCV valve but it won't budge. After looking closer the Purolator PCV valve I got at the auto store is a larger diameter then the one in the car now and even if I got the elbow fitting off, it wouldn't fit over the new one anyway.
Should I be able to buy the right fitting?

Thanks,
Mike
 If you get it off, we sell OEM PCVs with threaded end... -- Mr F, 06/02/2003
http://fomoco.com/contact-fomoco-obsolete.shtml
 PCV & grommet are the most likely suspects, by far. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/02/2003
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17409&Reply=17409><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Head gaskets and intake matching</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Chad, <i>06/02/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>For a 428 is there one head gasket for that bore size, or one size fit's all. Also on the intake side I have a Police Intercepter intake will this work with a std head. c7ae-a. Or should I be finding a different set of head's. I'm trying to get all my duck's in a row on my build-up of my engine.  </blockquote> Head gaskets and intake matching -- Chad, 06/02/2003
For a 428 is there one head gasket for that bore size, or one size fit's all. Also on the intake side I have a Police Intercepter intake will this work with a std head. c7ae-a. Or should I be finding a different set of head's. I'm trying to get all my duck's in a row on my build-up of my engine.
 Gaskets etc. -- Royce Peterson, 06/02/2003
Any FE head gasket should work fine, most are sized approximately for a .060" oversize 427 bore (4.294") which is certainly big enough for any 428 bore size you might achieve.

The PI intake actually has Medium Riser intake port. Because the same intake was used on 4V 427 Medium Riser engines in 1967 Fairlanes and Comets. It works fine with C7AE-A heads, that is the head used in many 1967 PI engines. There is a mismatch at the ports but that was true in thousands of police cars also in 1967. It does not affect performance much for street use but if it bothers you buy a Medium Riser intake gasket set and open up the head ports to match the intake.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17405&Reply=17405><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Edelbrock RPM Intake</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve, <i>06/01/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have purchased a Edelbrock RPM Intake for my 390.  This car will be run on the street.  I have now been told that street vehicles should not use intake manifolds that do not have  heat passages. The Edelbrock RPM does not have them.  Will I have problems?<br><br> </blockquote> Edelbrock RPM Intake -- Steve, 06/01/2003
I have purchased a Edelbrock RPM Intake for my 390. This car will be run on the street. I have now been told that street vehicles should not use intake manifolds that do not have heat passages. The Edelbrock RPM does not have them. Will I have problems?

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17406&Reply=17405><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>No prob.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>06/01/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>I never run a heat crossover.<br><br>Some folk run into carburetor icing conditions at 30-50 degrees fahrenheit on humid days, due to the refrigeration effect of atomized gasoline, but I've never had to deal with this.<br><br>I drive year round in Minnesota without a heat crossover.  Modern gasolines which contain some alcohol tend to be fussier with heat crossovers (vapor lock after turning off engine) and so tend to run better without them.<br><br>Make sure you disable the heat-riser valve on the passenger side exhaust manifold before you block the crossover, if your car happens to have one.  THey are easily identified by a ribbon spring and rotating counterweight immediately below the passenger exhaust manifold.<br><br>JMO,<br>Shoe. </blockquote> No prob. -- Dave Shoe, 06/01/2003
I never run a heat crossover.

Some folk run into carburetor icing conditions at 30-50 degrees fahrenheit on humid days, due to the refrigeration effect of atomized gasoline, but I've never had to deal with this.

I drive year round in Minnesota without a heat crossover. Modern gasolines which contain some alcohol tend to be fussier with heat crossovers (vapor lock after turning off engine) and so tend to run better without them.

Make sure you disable the heat-riser valve on the passenger side exhaust manifold before you block the crossover, if your car happens to have one. THey are easily identified by a ribbon spring and rotating counterweight immediately below the passenger exhaust manifold.

JMO,
Shoe.
 RE: No prob. -- Steve, 06/01/2003
Thanks Dave...I appreciate the infomation
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17397&Reply=17397><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427 fe  67 mustang headers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>mike, <i>05/31/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>i'm putting a 427 tunnelport into my 67 fastback with a 4 speed  and lakewood bellhousing and need to select a set of 2" type street headers.... what has been the boards opinion of  the headers from Crites, Dougs, Hooker, Hedman, or  Ford powertrain....thanks for your help  </blockquote> 427 fe 67 mustang headers -- mike, 05/31/2003
i'm putting a 427 tunnelport into my 67 fastback with a 4 speed and lakewood bellhousing and need to select a set of 2" type street headers.... what has been the boards opinion of the headers from Crites, Dougs, Hooker, Hedman, or Ford powertrain....thanks for your help
 I don't think there are any 2" headers for street -- Royce Peterson, 06/01/2003
Hooker, Crites and Hedman make 2" primary tube headers for FE in Mustang / Cougar but they are considered race application. They are individual tube slip fit style and no power steering can be used. Also the 2" headers go way low causing ground clearance to be a big problem.

My opinion is that if you are using mufflers the 1 3/4" headers from FPA or Hooker will make just as much power. With open headers and lots of RPM the 2" headers will make a couple extra horsepower but they are not worth the hassle on a street driven car.

Royce
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