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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12643&Reply=12643><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>fiberglass hood?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>keaton, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am the friend that is putting in the tri power.<br>I am looking for a ram air hood, any recomendation?<br>Does anyone know of somebody that would make a 67 fairlane hood with 64-65 fairlane ram air intakes?<br>Am I going to be blasphemous for this desire?<br>thanks<br>keaton </blockquote> fiberglass hood? -- keaton, 04/18/2002
I am the friend that is putting in the tri power.
I am looking for a ram air hood, any recomendation?
Does anyone know of somebody that would make a 67 fairlane hood with 64-65 fairlane ram air intakes?
Am I going to be blasphemous for this desire?
thanks
keaton
 RE: fiberglass hood? -- Kevin66, 04/19/2002
Well, if I've got this all straight now, you're looking for a '67 Fairlane hood, to fit your Tri-power 390?

As mentioned in an earlier response, you have under hood clearance issues to deal with. As I recall, the '64/'65 Fairlane ram air intakes were different. The '64 Thunderbolt cars used a traditional 'Teardrop' scoop, and I think the '65 cars used TWO scoops, mounted at the leading edge of the hood (or was that the Comet?).

If you'll be running the Ford long oval air clearner, I can't see why you should have any real problems. Just use a good quality duplicate of the 427 Fairlane hood, which has the Ram Air you're looking for, and an opening into the plenum area already contoured for clearancing the similar Dual Quad air cleaner.

You can get a teardrop hood for the '66/'67 Fairlanes, and the closest to the other design might be the Ram Air hood from the '66/'67 Mercury Cyclone.

All of these hoods are readily available from Crites Restorations, in Ashville, Ohio (Tel: 740-983-4777 or 740-983-2273). You can see them online at - http://www.critesrestoration.com/fairlane.htm
 RE: fiberglass hood? -- keaton, 04/19/2002
i actually ment the 64-65 comet ram air (twin scoops)
sorry
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12642&Reply=12642><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>How does one research the archives?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>rustys66gta, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>My screen will only read the latest posts.2 pages usually.<br>I am doing the granada disc swap and would like to read up on it without wasting everyones time reposting questions allready asked. </blockquote> How does one research the archives? -- rustys66gta, 04/18/2002
My screen will only read the latest posts.2 pages usually.
I am doing the granada disc swap and would like to read up on it without wasting everyones time reposting questions allready asked.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12644&Reply=12642><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: How does one research the archives?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Charlie, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.vintagemustang.com/topics/faq/drumtodisk.html">http://www.vintagemustang.com/topics/faq/drumtodisk.html</a><br><br>This web site will have all the info you'll need. email me direct if you have any more question on this.<br>baddogideas@attbi.com </blockquote> RE: How does one research the archives? -- Charlie, 04/18/2002
http://www.vintagemustang.com/topics/faq/drumtodisk.html

This web site will have all the info you'll need. email me direct if you have any more question on this.
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 Huh? -- John, 04/18/2002
I thought you just clicked on "SEARCH" ?
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12615&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>428 build up</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jim Paschen, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Can anyone give me a heads up on what it will take to build a good street/ strip 428. I was going to build a stroked 390 for my 66 Fairlane but got a good deal on a 428 block so I decided to go that way. Let me tell you the components that I have and you can tell me what I need and if this combo will work. I currently have a standard 428 Block, 410 (IU) crank, 428 rods, 390 GT heads ported & polished, PI aluminum intake, NOS parts - adjustable rockers, C8AX-6250-C cam (286I/296E duration, .510 lift), anti-pump up lifters, ford pushrods. Hooker super comp headers, 3.91 Detroit Locker. I only have 28 tooth axles and the normal (small input) toploader. Will I be breaking these parts with this combo.  Will this combo give me a good running 428? I also have seen tnese blueprinted oil pumps from Precision Pump in California. Does anyone know if their pumps are worth the money. What size oil pan should I use. The car will be a street cruiser with occasional strip duty. Let me know if there are any changes I should make or additions. Also, are roller rockers with billet shafts necessary for an engine of this caliber. </blockquote> 428 build up -- Jim Paschen, 04/17/2002
Can anyone give me a heads up on what it will take to build a good street/ strip 428. I was going to build a stroked 390 for my 66 Fairlane but got a good deal on a 428 block so I decided to go that way. Let me tell you the components that I have and you can tell me what I need and if this combo will work. I currently have a standard 428 Block, 410 (IU) crank, 428 rods, 390 GT heads ported & polished, PI aluminum intake, NOS parts - adjustable rockers, C8AX-6250-C cam (286I/296E duration, .510 lift), anti-pump up lifters, ford pushrods. Hooker super comp headers, 3.91 Detroit Locker. I only have 28 tooth axles and the normal (small input) toploader. Will I be breaking these parts with this combo. Will this combo give me a good running 428? I also have seen tnese blueprinted oil pumps from Precision Pump in California. Does anyone know if their pumps are worth the money. What size oil pan should I use. The car will be a street cruiser with occasional strip duty. Let me know if there are any changes I should make or additions. Also, are roller rockers with billet shafts necessary for an engine of this caliber.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12616&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 build up</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>What is the casting number on the heads?<br><br>What pistons do you have?<br><br>Your rocker arm shaft stands are fine with that cam. </blockquote> RE: 428 build up -- Bob, 04/17/2002
What is the casting number on the heads?

What pistons do you have?

Your rocker arm shaft stands are fine with that cam.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12617&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 build up</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jim paschen, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>They would be C6 something but I don't have the numbers handy. They are the same heads that were used on the 390 GT Fairlanes.  The reason I had these heads ported was because originally I was planning on building a 390/410. I will be buying pistons through a friend at Federal Mogul. I plan on staying around 10:1 ratio. The motor will be bored .020 - .030. I don't know what it will clean up at yet. </blockquote> RE: 428 build up -- jim paschen, 04/17/2002
They would be C6 something but I don't have the numbers handy. They are the same heads that were used on the 390 GT Fairlanes. The reason I had these heads ported was because originally I was planning on building a 390/410. I will be buying pistons through a friend at Federal Mogul. I plan on staying around 10:1 ratio. The motor will be bored .020 - .030. I don't know what it will clean up at yet.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12627&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Muscle Parts program</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>What a list of great parts!   You've got the basics there to make a strong running street/strip '28.    That C8AX-C cam is the step up hydraulic cam recommended in the Ford Muscle Parts booklet back in '69.  I've always wanted one of those NOS but haven't been lucky yet.<br><br>With proper machine/build procedures, piston selection to keep it at the 10:1 you indicated you should have a great engine.<br><br>I would recommend HD rocker shafts along with end supports.   You might want to contact Rocker Arm Specialist in CA.   They have a website and they are very responsive to your needs.   Your rockers should be fine with their shafts/aluminum billet stands & end supports.<br><br>As for the small input top loader and 28 spline axles:<br><br>I don't think you'll have any problems here either.  If they're in good condition to start with.   I have personally run a -N- case w/track lock that I converted to 28 spline side axle gears, etc. many years ago.  The 28 splines have allowed me to run this differential in a number of different cars, i.e., '64 Fairlane w/built 289 & 351 W; '66 Cyclone GT w/390 & 428 CJ; '61 Starliner w/428 CJ & 427-400 plus horse.  The Fairlane & Starliner both had 4 speeds and automatics.  All of these cars were regularly on the strip.    But I must admit I never had larger than 8" slicks and mostly street tires and lastly M& H 8" DOT approved street slicks.  If you plan wide-low pressure drag slicks, maybe 31 splines would be best.   They're definitely able to take more tire, it just depends on you.   I've never had a single problem with the diff. I just described.<br><br>As for the small input 4 speed, again, I don't think you'll have any problems unless you plan the big tires, 3,000 rpm plus launches and 6,500 shift points.   I ran a '67 Fairlane 390 GT top loader behind a tri powered 427 in a 3,800 lb. Starliner.   That T & C 4 speed took everything I personally could give it.   It was just the standard 2.32 close ratio.  Now that's something I'd consider doing differently with a heavier car.....a wide ratio 4 speed that gives you the lower 2.78 first gear.   Just my personal opinion on improving 60' times with a stick.<br><br>Again,  you've got the parts to make a great '66 FE Fairlane. </blockquote> RE:Muscle Parts program -- Mike McQuesten, 04/17/2002
What a list of great parts! You've got the basics there to make a strong running street/strip '28. That C8AX-C cam is the step up hydraulic cam recommended in the Ford Muscle Parts booklet back in '69. I've always wanted one of those NOS but haven't been lucky yet.

With proper machine/build procedures, piston selection to keep it at the 10:1 you indicated you should have a great engine.

I would recommend HD rocker shafts along with end supports. You might want to contact Rocker Arm Specialist in CA. They have a website and they are very responsive to your needs. Your rockers should be fine with their shafts/aluminum billet stands & end supports.

As for the small input top loader and 28 spline axles:

I don't think you'll have any problems here either. If they're in good condition to start with. I have personally run a -N- case w/track lock that I converted to 28 spline side axle gears, etc. many years ago. The 28 splines have allowed me to run this differential in a number of different cars, i.e., '64 Fairlane w/built 289 & 351 W; '66 Cyclone GT w/390 & 428 CJ; '61 Starliner w/428 CJ & 427-400 plus horse. The Fairlane & Starliner both had 4 speeds and automatics. All of these cars were regularly on the strip. But I must admit I never had larger than 8" slicks and mostly street tires and lastly M& H 8" DOT approved street slicks. If you plan wide-low pressure drag slicks, maybe 31 splines would be best. They're definitely able to take more tire, it just depends on you. I've never had a single problem with the diff. I just described.

As for the small input 4 speed, again, I don't think you'll have any problems unless you plan the big tires, 3,000 rpm plus launches and 6,500 shift points. I ran a '67 Fairlane 390 GT top loader behind a tri powered 427 in a 3,800 lb. Starliner. That T & C 4 speed took everything I personally could give it. It was just the standard 2.32 close ratio. Now that's something I'd consider doing differently with a heavier car.....a wide ratio 4 speed that gives you the lower 2.78 first gear. Just my personal opinion on improving 60' times with a stick.

Again, you've got the parts to make a great '66 FE Fairlane.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12628&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Muscle Parts program</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jim Paschen, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've owned those parts since 1973. I purchased my Fairlane in 1970. It was my first car and I never got rid of it. I finally decided to restore it and build another engine for it. The car has been off the street since 1974 and was never driven in the winter. It is a custom color (saphire blue) which was only available on T-Birds. I found the paperwork for special paint under the carpet when I started restoring it this winter. The paper is in perfect condition. I also ran into the original owner last year at the woodward cruise (Detroit) and he gave me the window sticker, bill of sale and the order sheet the following day. It shows the custom things that were ordered on the car. Ireally look forward to getting this car back on the road. I had a lot of good times cruising Woodward ave. while I was growing up. They started a cruise there several years ago for us nostalgia buffs and it has now turned into a week long event with over 1,000,000 people attending. There is some fine iron here in Detroit. Thanks for the heads up on the rocker shafts. I will contact them. The gear I have in there (3.91 detroit locker) I got when I worked at Ford. Ipurchased the pig with 4.57 gears in it and it was tore apart. I got it for $5.00. I took it into Ford and rebuilt it on the production line with new Ford 3.91 gears , bearings, seals and the works. The foreman wrote me a pass to bring it through the gate and a pass to take it out. That was a great $5.00 investment. </blockquote> RE:Muscle Parts program -- Jim Paschen, 04/17/2002
I've owned those parts since 1973. I purchased my Fairlane in 1970. It was my first car and I never got rid of it. I finally decided to restore it and build another engine for it. The car has been off the street since 1974 and was never driven in the winter. It is a custom color (saphire blue) which was only available on T-Birds. I found the paperwork for special paint under the carpet when I started restoring it this winter. The paper is in perfect condition. I also ran into the original owner last year at the woodward cruise (Detroit) and he gave me the window sticker, bill of sale and the order sheet the following day. It shows the custom things that were ordered on the car. Ireally look forward to getting this car back on the road. I had a lot of good times cruising Woodward ave. while I was growing up. They started a cruise there several years ago for us nostalgia buffs and it has now turned into a week long event with over 1,000,000 people attending. There is some fine iron here in Detroit. Thanks for the heads up on the rocker shafts. I will contact them. The gear I have in there (3.91 detroit locker) I got when I worked at Ford. Ipurchased the pig with 4.57 gears in it and it was tore apart. I got it for $5.00. I took it into Ford and rebuilt it on the production line with new Ford 3.91 gears , bearings, seals and the works. The foreman wrote me a pass to bring it through the gate and a pass to take it out. That was a great $5.00 investment.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12634&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Saphire Blue Special</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>That is a very special order color.   I know of two non T-bird '66 cars that color.  Like your Fairlane, is it a GT?, they are documented special order paints.  The first is a '66 Mustang Coupe, non GT, K-code w/4 speed.  The guy is a local Ford friend and he ordered it brand new.  The second is a '66 Fairlane GT, 4 speed, second owner living in Lewiston Idaho.  He has done a beautiful resto on it like you're doing.   He bought it in '67 or '68 and it was his main driver for a number of years.  <br><br>Just a note...I bought a '66 Fairlane GT/A in late May, '66.   Ordered a Springtime Yellow one with very few options(no PS/no PB or air) just 4 speed, Sport steering wheel, limited slip 3.25s.  That was it.   The dealer who I ended up working for said he could dealer-trade for nearly the exact car I wanted to order only it had that new automatic.  I was not a fan of automatics at that time.   Although I had read numerous times the great review  Hot Rod mag gave a '66 GTA test car.  He said he could get me a good deal and we could order the steering wheel I wanted plus a reverberator - cool sounds out of an AM radio...it was possible then.   He gave me a new '66 Mustang with the speedo cable disconnected at the speedo head to drive the 45 miles to the dealership where the GTA was.   I had all the papers to do the dealer trade if I wanted the 'lane.   The moment I saw the car.....that was it.  I wasn't waiting for a 4 speed.  The GTA was just about right.  Limited Slip.  No power options.  Oh it had those crazy looking styled steel wheels.....I couldn't stand those....then.   Off they came for a set of chrome reverse and blackwalls out. The styled steels were great winter wheels.   I know, I know, I was an idiot.   Well, some things don't change.<br><br>You're a smart/lucky man to have held on to that '66.  And what a great story about how you set up your 3.91s!  <br><br>   </blockquote> RE:Saphire Blue Special -- Mike McQuesten, 04/18/2002
That is a very special order color. I know of two non T-bird '66 cars that color. Like your Fairlane, is it a GT?, they are documented special order paints. The first is a '66 Mustang Coupe, non GT, K-code w/4 speed. The guy is a local Ford friend and he ordered it brand new. The second is a '66 Fairlane GT, 4 speed, second owner living in Lewiston Idaho. He has done a beautiful resto on it like you're doing. He bought it in '67 or '68 and it was his main driver for a number of years.

Just a note...I bought a '66 Fairlane GT/A in late May, '66. Ordered a Springtime Yellow one with very few options(no PS/no PB or air) just 4 speed, Sport steering wheel, limited slip 3.25s. That was it. The dealer who I ended up working for said he could dealer-trade for nearly the exact car I wanted to order only it had that new automatic. I was not a fan of automatics at that time. Although I had read numerous times the great review Hot Rod mag gave a '66 GTA test car. He said he could get me a good deal and we could order the steering wheel I wanted plus a reverberator - cool sounds out of an AM radio...it was possible then. He gave me a new '66 Mustang with the speedo cable disconnected at the speedo head to drive the 45 miles to the dealership where the GTA was. I had all the papers to do the dealer trade if I wanted the 'lane. The moment I saw the car.....that was it. I wasn't waiting for a 4 speed. The GTA was just about right. Limited Slip. No power options. Oh it had those crazy looking styled steel wheels.....I couldn't stand those....then. Off they came for a set of chrome reverse and blackwalls out. The styled steels were great winter wheels. I know, I know, I was an idiot. Well, some things don't change.

You're a smart/lucky man to have held on to that '66. And what a great story about how you set up your 3.91s!

 RE:Saphire Blue Special -- jim paschen, 04/22/2002
My Fairlane is a GT 4 speed with a Hurst shifter. The black interior, console, headliner, dashpad are all in great shape. I still have the 3.25 rearend that came out of the car. It is the third one that was in the car. The original owner wore the first one out while it was still under warranty. I wore the second one out in 1972. My Dad worked at Ford and took the pig in to get it rebuilt. The guy on the asssembly line said it looked like the rearend had either 100,000 miles on it or a lot of holeshots. Since the car only had 48,000 miles on it, it was very obvious what the problem was. They ended up building me a new 3.25 and installed a traction lock in it instead of the original limited slip. The car also originally came with an air lift system on the rear springs. It has leaf springs with coil springs and air bags. The Ford Performance guide tells you to add more air in the rh side to improve traction. These things never worked very well and made the car ride rougher than a lumber wagon. I will probably be taking them off during the restoration. I was wondering if anyone has ever used the subframe connectors and traction bars which are made by Southside Machine. There products look superior compared to the competetion. I think they were the original company that developed the rear suspension on the T-Bolts for 1964. Just wondering if anyone has ever installed them on a 66-67 Fairlane and if they work well.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12636&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 build up</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kevin66, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Years ago I ran a 4.30 28-spline Detroit Locker behind a 428CJ. It was in a '69 Cyclone CJ, equipped with the Hooker 1-3/4" headers, Edelbrock F427, and that same C8AX-C cam. It had a C-6 with the stock (BIG!) converter, and ran well into the 12's. Never had any differential or axle problems.<br><br>As for the small-input T&C, I'd be more inclined to want the big shafts there. Of course, they're harder to find and cost more...not to mention most of the ones available have been beaten on pretty hard. <br><br>Those blueprinted oil pumps are pretty nice, and worth the money. They give 70-80 psi, which is plenty. For an oil pan, I'd stick with a stock 6-quart style, with the windage tray. That's plenty of oil, even for strip use 'on occasion', and it's nice to have proper ground clearance. You can get a really nice, powder coated inside-and-out pan for about $65 from Flatlander Racing, 24 Elm Street , Plaistow, NH 03865. They list them on eBay (Search for seller e-mail motorpts4u@aol.com)<br><br>Since that C8AX-C makes its power around 6,000 RPM, you won't be needing much more than stock valve spring pressures. You can buy a set of the good rocker shafts from FPP or Summitt, and just use your stock stands, rockers, etc. without further worry.<br> </blockquote> RE: 428 build up -- Kevin66, 04/18/2002
Years ago I ran a 4.30 28-spline Detroit Locker behind a 428CJ. It was in a '69 Cyclone CJ, equipped with the Hooker 1-3/4" headers, Edelbrock F427, and that same C8AX-C cam. It had a C-6 with the stock (BIG!) converter, and ran well into the 12's. Never had any differential or axle problems.

As for the small-input T&C, I'd be more inclined to want the big shafts there. Of course, they're harder to find and cost more...not to mention most of the ones available have been beaten on pretty hard.

Those blueprinted oil pumps are pretty nice, and worth the money. They give 70-80 psi, which is plenty. For an oil pan, I'd stick with a stock 6-quart style, with the windage tray. That's plenty of oil, even for strip use 'on occasion', and it's nice to have proper ground clearance. You can get a really nice, powder coated inside-and-out pan for about $65 from Flatlander Racing, 24 Elm Street , Plaistow, NH 03865. They list them on eBay (Search for seller e-mail motorpts4u@aol.com)

Since that C8AX-C makes its power around 6,000 RPM, you won't be needing much more than stock valve spring pressures. You can buy a set of the good rocker shafts from FPP or Summitt, and just use your stock stands, rockers, etc. without further worry.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12638&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 428 build up</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>All of Kevin's suggestions/thoughts I agree with except the pan.    If you do use a stock type "5 quart" pan, do follow Ford's recommendation of maintaining 6 quarts of oil.   And the windage tray is a given....you should/have to run one.  They're even still available from the Ford HP parts program for cheap, around $40 - $50.   They're not finished off quite as nicely has the originals from '69 but you can dress the sharp edges your self.<br><br>I'd recommend running Milodon's Street & Strip 7 quart pan.   It's nothing more than a standard late sixties FE pan with the indents to clear the steering of unibody cars.  It's cut and a "spacer" nicely sandwiched between the original pan bottom and the rest.    They also offer a 5/8" pick-up tube & screen for this pan.   It's nice to have that big tube pick-up especially with a blueprinted pump providing 70-80 psi.   I'm assuming you are planning all the standard oil improvements to the block.  As for this Milo pan, it's very similar to the one Ford offered for the FE through the Muscle Parts program back in the days when you bought your Fairlane.   You could make your own with a reasonable degree of welding skills.<br><br>A powerful 428CJ or any FE for that matter is prone to sucking a front sump pan dry  under hard acceleration or even reasonable speeds around sharp corners.  It may only be for a few moments but you don't want to see that oil pressure guage needle dropping to zip and then back.  Not a good thing.<br><br> </blockquote> RE: 428 build up -- Mike McQuesten, 04/18/2002
All of Kevin's suggestions/thoughts I agree with except the pan. If you do use a stock type "5 quart" pan, do follow Ford's recommendation of maintaining 6 quarts of oil. And the windage tray is a given....you should/have to run one. They're even still available from the Ford HP parts program for cheap, around $40 - $50. They're not finished off quite as nicely has the originals from '69 but you can dress the sharp edges your self.

I'd recommend running Milodon's Street & Strip 7 quart pan. It's nothing more than a standard late sixties FE pan with the indents to clear the steering of unibody cars. It's cut and a "spacer" nicely sandwiched between the original pan bottom and the rest. They also offer a 5/8" pick-up tube & screen for this pan. It's nice to have that big tube pick-up especially with a blueprinted pump providing 70-80 psi. I'm assuming you are planning all the standard oil improvements to the block. As for this Milo pan, it's very similar to the one Ford offered for the FE through the Muscle Parts program back in the days when you bought your Fairlane. You could make your own with a reasonable degree of welding skills.

A powerful 428CJ or any FE for that matter is prone to sucking a front sump pan dry under hard acceleration or even reasonable speeds around sharp corners. It may only be for a few moments but you don't want to see that oil pressure guage needle dropping to zip and then back. Not a good thing.

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12649&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Oil pan capacity, etc.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kevin66, <i>04/19/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Good point Mike, I should have mentioned that these pans will easily hold 6 quarts...and you need it! Also, that the windage tray is a necessity too, with any pan. <br><br>The pan I mentioned has some decent baffling, at least for a primarily street car. I've never had the oil pressure dip yet on the strip, even with a HV pump and the stock 427MR pickup tube.<br><br>If you're not plagued with 'vicious' speed bumps around where you live, and you've got the tire height and front springs to provide the ground clearance required, I'd definitely do the Milodon type pan. It's surprising what that extra capacity will do for your oil temp! </blockquote> RE: Oil pan capacity, etc. -- Kevin66, 04/19/2002
Good point Mike, I should have mentioned that these pans will easily hold 6 quarts...and you need it! Also, that the windage tray is a necessity too, with any pan.

The pan I mentioned has some decent baffling, at least for a primarily street car. I've never had the oil pressure dip yet on the strip, even with a HV pump and the stock 427MR pickup tube.

If you're not plagued with 'vicious' speed bumps around where you live, and you've got the tire height and front springs to provide the ground clearance required, I'd definitely do the Milodon type pan. It's surprising what that extra capacity will do for your oil temp!
 RE: Oil pan capacity-DON'T SKIMP!!--Suggestions -- RobMcQ, 04/23/2002
One thing I feel very strongly about, is a GOOD oil pan. It is cheap insurance when you consider what a momentary lapse in oil pressure can do the engine. I really discourage my customers from the stock pans, even with a windage tray and 6qts.

A while back, we were breaking in a 428 on the test stand. It had our full oil system blueprint and one of our specially modified and blueprinted oil pumps. The customer insisted on a stock pan for "restoration" appearance. Well, to break in the engine, we only put in 5qts of oil. At 1900rpm, the oil pressure began fluctuating and dropping off. We added the sixth qt and everything was fine. That means that there was less than a one qt safety margin-and that's on a stable test stand-no acceleration "slosh".

I would recommend a steel, 8qt "T"-sump pan for both high capacity and best ground clearance. These fit on all Ford front sump chasis. We use them extensively. Second choice is the deep front sump pan, like the factory C8AX pan. Moroso has one, but it is so deep, that you have to practically run air shocks in the front. The Milidon looks good, but has mediocre baffling, and the perforated hole design pick-up is very restrictive to oil flow. In back-to-back testing between the Milidon design, and a good hiperf screen design, the Milidon restricted oil flow as much as 40%.

As we didn't like either the Moroso or Milidon FE pans, and the factory deep sumps are few and far between, we started looking for an alternative. A little over a year ago, we set out to have a reproduction of the factory C8AX pan made. It didn't come out looking as close to the orig design as I wanted, but it is a very well designed front sump pan with very good oil control for hard acceleration and braking. It is 7.5" deep, and holds 7qts and has a large tube pick-up. You can e-mail for more info if you are interested on the pan.

The important point is to put some serious thought into the oiling system.
Rob
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12640&Reply=12615><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>C8AX-C cam</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Saxon, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Kevin how does that cam idle and does it make enough vaccum for power brakes?I like the looks of the cam and hear it has a pretty racy idle which I want but I need it to work with power brakes and a streetable converter.I also have a 69 Cyclone CJ,Black Jade car with ram air and C-6.Does this cam give significant power gains above the stock CJ cam and does require adjustable valvetrain? </blockquote> C8AX-C cam -- John Saxon, 04/18/2002
Kevin how does that cam idle and does it make enough vaccum for power brakes?I like the looks of the cam and hear it has a pretty racy idle which I want but I need it to work with power brakes and a streetable converter.I also have a 69 Cyclone CJ,Black Jade car with ram air and C-6.Does this cam give significant power gains above the stock CJ cam and does require adjustable valvetrain?
 RE: C8AX-C cam -- kevin, 04/18/2002
I will say that I liked this cam in my Shelby. It idles smooth and pulls well to 6,000 but shuts off there. I never cared about vacuum, but it has plenty with PB. I had a stick, so I cant say anything about the automatic usage. Ford rated it at 15 more horsepower over the stock GT/CJ grind at 5,500 I believe.
 RE: C8AX-C cam -- em, 04/18/2002
My brother and I had a 4 door 68 390 Torino with the "C" cam. It had sufficient vacuum for the power brakes but it tended to lurch in gear with the stock 13 inch converter. It ran much better with a 10 inch converter and also gained close to .5 sec in the quarter. The car had a .60 over 390, F-427 Edelbrock intake with 850 DP, Hookers, "C" cam, CJ heads, 3.90 gears, and Ford adjustable rockers with stock shafts and stands and Ford CJ springs. It would have worked fine with the nonadjustable rockers. I used to run mid-high twelves at Irwindale and Orange County Raceways in the early 70's. Those were the days!!
 RE: C8AX-C cam -- Kevin66, 04/19/2002
In my honest opinion, this was the cam that SHOULD have been in the factory 428CJ's!

Through exhaust manifolds it was faint, but with headers, there was a beautiful, discernible 'lope' at idle, and that great echo.

I never had any problem with the power brakes, and as I recall, we simply set the idle speed up to about 700 in gear. I'm sure a converter would have been a worthwile improvement, but I never got around to it back then.

This cam was very, very strong up through the midrange, pulled well up to 6,000, then signed off. Since it worked perfectly with the stock CJ springs and non-adjustable rockers, I considered it to be a perfect replacement cam, and couldn't figure out why Ford didn't use it once they had it.
 RE: 428 build up -- Morgan, 04/19/2002
I am very familiar with Doug and Precision Pump in California, since he lives very close to me and I purchased a 428 CJ from him as well as most of the parts to go with it. We assembled it together. His pumps are good. I just went with the stock pump spring and cold the pressure will be 100 PSI but quckly drop to 65-70PSI when warm at idle the pump will be 20 PSI. He sell really nice stands and rocker shafts as well which I have in my 428CJ. Sound like your putting together a very nice car and should run very well with the parts you have.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12612&Reply=12612><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>better heads?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jesse, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>what year heads are the best  for porting and polishing ? </blockquote> better heads? -- Jesse, 04/17/2002
what year heads are the best for porting and polishing ?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12639&Reply=12612><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: better heads?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>04/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hey Jesse, just look at  that entire thread above you there a little bit.   That was such a good one, I've printed most of it out just to keep on file for if/when I do a set of C6AE-Rs. </blockquote> RE: better heads? -- Mike McQuesten, 04/18/2002
Hey Jesse, just look at that entire thread above you there a little bit. That was such a good one, I've printed most of it out just to keep on file for if/when I do a set of C6AE-Rs.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12685&Reply=12612><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: better heads?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jim paschen, <i>04/22/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I friend of mine has a set of these heads. Can you tell how to get to the thread to get the info on these heads. </blockquote> RE: better heads? -- jim paschen, 04/22/2002
I friend of mine has a set of these heads. Can you tell how to get to the thread to get the info on these heads.
 RE: better heads? -- Mike McQuesten, 04/22/2002
I can't believe it's gone already! It was just here last week and now it's not even on page 2. However, if you just go up there to "Search" and type in, C6AE-R, you should get right there. As I said, I printed most of the thread out it was that good. Good pics as examples of what can be done with C4AE-G or C6AE-R or any of the tall runner of that type.

Your '66 Fairlane GT should still have these heads Jim. I think most if not all '66 Fairlane GTs had the C6AE-R. Please enlighten us with what you have if not these C6-R heads.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12610&Reply=12610><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>combustion chambers - hiding spark plugs</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>OzFE, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does any one know the design behind the little pocket the spark plugs are tucked away in for FE heads. </blockquote> combustion chambers - hiding spark plugs -- OzFE, 04/16/2002
Does any one know the design behind the little pocket the spark plugs are tucked away in for FE heads.
 RE: combustion chambers - hiding spark plugs -- OzFE, 04/16/2002
Does any one have pictures of aftermarket heads showing the spagk plug from the combustion chamber
 RE: combustion chambers - hiding spark plugs -- OzFE, 04/17/2002
E-bok heads appear to fill the pocket and use 3/4 reach 14mm plugs this would place the spark gap 14mm deeper in the chamber.

I wonder if this halps engines with deep dish pistons
 Back-cut valves -- tbolt, 04/16/2002
I can understand a 30o back cut on intake valves, but it seems like this type of cut on the exhausts would spoil the flow by causing turbulence. woulden't the sharp edge on the back side of the valve cause a good breaking off point for the exhaust gasses to leave the valve?

thx for your ideas
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12606&Reply=12606><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>352 to a 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Other then changing the crank...is there anything else that must be done to stroke the 352.  ie. heads, rockers,rods,pistons etc. </blockquote> 352 to a 390 -- Steven, 04/16/2002
Other then changing the crank...is there anything else that must be done to stroke the 352. ie. heads, rockers,rods,pistons etc.
 Just crank and rods. -- Dave Shoe, 04/16/2002
The crank must obviously be changed.

390 rods are a little shorter than 352 rods, and all since mid1963 are a heavy-duty design which incorporate a heavier H-beam section.

You can also reuse the 390 pistons, assuming they are not excessively worn.

Note that 390 pistons tend to be available in three compression ratio ranges - one for light trucks (pickups, etc) at 8.5:1 (or so), one for most 2V car applications at 9.5:1, and another for most 4V car applications at 10.5:1. Other compression ratios were available from the factory, but this covers the basics.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12618&Reply=12606><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 352 to a 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jim paschen, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a crank and rods for a 390 if you're looking for some. The rods are re-conditioned and the crank is standard but should be turned. </blockquote> RE: 352 to a 390 -- jim paschen, 04/17/2002
I have a crank and rods for a 390 if you're looking for some. The rods are re-conditioned and the crank is standard but should be turned.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12619&Reply=12606><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 352 to a 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>How much? </blockquote> RE: 352 to a 390 -- Steven, 04/17/2002
How much?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12620&Reply=12606><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 352 to a 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jim paschen, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I would probably take $350.00 for all of it. </blockquote> RE: 352 to a 390 -- jim paschen, 04/17/2002
I would probably take $350.00 for all of it.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12621&Reply=12606><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 352 to a 390</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steven, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Jim, let me think on it for a day or so,  What is your e-mail and I will contact you directly.  Steve   e-mail copycr@cedar-rapids.net </blockquote> RE: 352 to a 390 -- Steven, 04/17/2002
Jim, let me think on it for a day or so, What is your e-mail and I will contact you directly. Steve e-mail copycr@cedar-rapids.net
 RE: 352 to a 390 -- jim paschen, 04/17/2002
jpaschen@ldmtech.com I will be out of the office for the next 2 days but will be back Monday.
 RE: 352 to a 390 -- jim paschen, 04/17/2002
The bore is .050" larger and the stroke is .280" longer for a 390. I would assume that you could bore it out and use standard 390 pistons. You would end up with a 390 instead of a 352. I am not sure if any other mods would be required.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12600&Reply=12600><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Dual marine 427s</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Richard, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote> I know that one of the engines is camed back words but is the cranks the same? </blockquote> Dual marine 427s -- Richard, 04/16/2002
I know that one of the engines is camed back words but is the cranks the same?
 RE: Dual marine 427s -- mustangoldtimer, 04/16/2002
rev rotation engines usually have the same cranks, sometimes the little groves that channel the oil away from the rear main seal go the other way, but only seen that once..usually the rubber seals are different, rope seals would be the same. an if anybody cares rev rotation firing orders are just regular ones backward.well thats my 2 cents
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12602&Reply=12600><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Dual marine 427s</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>While the cranks would be the same, Richard, the finish machining would be different.  The grinding and polishing are performed relative to the rotation of the crank and it would be wise to, at a minimum, have the crank polished for clockwise rotation. </blockquote> RE: Dual marine 427s -- Gerry Proctor, 04/16/2002
While the cranks would be the same, Richard, the finish machining would be different. The grinding and polishing are performed relative to the rotation of the crank and it would be wise to, at a minimum, have the crank polished for clockwise rotation.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12604&Reply=12600><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Dual marine 427s</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Richard, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote> Thanks guys for the info. this is for some body that knows some body and on and on . sure you been there. </blockquote> RE: Dual marine 427s -- Richard, 04/16/2002
Thanks guys for the info. this is for some body that knows some body and on and on . sure you been there.
 Easy to convert. -- Dave Shoe, 04/16/2002
The FE reverse rotation cranks are all designed for the rope rear main seal, therefore they have the diagonal grooves cut into the crank in the main sealing area.

When using a reverse rotation crank for forward rotation, simply have the crankshaft shop grind the grooves away. They're only a couple thou deep, so it's a simple task.

You must use the common split neoprene type seal if the grooves are removed, as the rope type will not work as well as it should if the grooves are gone. This is fine, because rope seals eat horsepower and split neoprene are about the only things you can get nowadays, anyhow.

Note that the 427 cast crank is basically the same as the 390 crank.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12598&Reply=12598><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Power Steering Pulley</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Saxon, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Heres a question for Shoe or Mr. Fomoco or anyone else who may have some factory parts manuals,I sold a power steering setup for a 61 Galaxie that had an FE to a guy who is going to put it into a 292 car,I've come up with the right pump mounting brackets and everything else except I'm unsure of the crank pulley.Can anyone tell me if the FE and Y-block use the same part# crank pulley for 1961 and if not what the casting # for the right pulley would be.I have some of the bolt on power steering crank pulleys but they are all the same casting # and am unsure if FE and Y-blocks use the same.Any help would be greatly appreciated. </blockquote> Power Steering Pulley -- John Saxon, 04/16/2002
Heres a question for Shoe or Mr. Fomoco or anyone else who may have some factory parts manuals,I sold a power steering setup for a 61 Galaxie that had an FE to a guy who is going to put it into a 292 car,I've come up with the right pump mounting brackets and everything else except I'm unsure of the crank pulley.Can anyone tell me if the FE and Y-block use the same part# crank pulley for 1961 and if not what the casting # for the right pulley would be.I have some of the bolt on power steering crank pulleys but they are all the same casting # and am unsure if FE and Y-blocks use the same.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12599&Reply=12598><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Power Steering Pulley</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John Saxon, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>P.S.I don't if this post is more appropriate on  the  General forum If it is let me know and I'll see if I can figure out how to move it </blockquote> RE: Power Steering Pulley -- John Saxon, 04/16/2002
P.S.I don't if this post is more appropriate on the General forum If it is let me know and I'll see if I can figure out how to move it
 RE: Power Steering Pulley -- Ross, 04/17/2002
I would expect not. The early FE used a crank pulley integral to the balancer and I doubt that the 292 used the same balancer.

By the way, drop me an email sometime John, been a while. I left AOL so use my new email address - Ross
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12597&Reply=12597><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Ponds Fairlane</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>SDP, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>R Ponds 67 Fairlane A/S ripped off a 10.28 this last weekend at Firebird's Div race(Boise).<br>He was atleast 2 tenths ahead of the MaxWedges and Hemis.........................  </blockquote> Ponds Fairlane -- SDP, 04/16/2002
R Ponds 67 Fairlane A/S ripped off a 10.28 this last weekend at Firebird's Div race(Boise).
He was atleast 2 tenths ahead of the MaxWedges and Hemis.........................
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12608&Reply=12597><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: ALL Right, That's were a fairlane should be</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RC Moser, <i>04/16/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Leaving the Dodge boys and stove bolts (yet I know what stove bolts) behind. Mr. Pond congrats for bring the 427 back to the limelight where is should of been all along.  Hope he can get it  into the 9:80s this year.  </blockquote> RE: ALL Right, That's were a fairlane should be -- RC Moser, 04/16/2002
Leaving the Dodge boys and stove bolts (yet I know what stove bolts) behind. Mr. Pond congrats for bring the 427 back to the limelight where is should of been all along. Hope he can get it into the 9:80s this year.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12614&Reply=12597><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Maybe</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>SDP, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Pond said hes got the HP to run in the 9.80's, its just getting to the ground through those 9" slicks. He came real close here in Boise as the air was good. Maybe Mission's "sea level air" will be better for him next month........................ </blockquote> RE: Maybe -- SDP, 04/17/2002
Pond said hes got the HP to run in the 9.80's, its just getting to the ground through those 9" slicks. He came real close here in Boise as the air was good. Maybe Mission's "sea level air" will be better for him next month........................
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12624&Reply=12597><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: I'd Like to see him run, is he planning on</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>RC Moser, <i>04/17/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>running at any tracks in the midwest? </blockquote> RE: I'd Like to see him run, is he planning on -- RC Moser, 04/17/2002
running at any tracks in the midwest?
 Not Likely -- SDP, 04/17/2002
It's not likely that he'll make it to the midwest unfortunately. He sticks to West Coast. We've been lucky enough to see him in Vegas and now in Boise. Seeing a car of this caliaber run, makes you proud to be into FE's.
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