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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11994&Reply=11994><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Bolt sizes needed</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>eric, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I need to find out the correct bolt sizes for the timing chain cover and the cam retainer plate on 428cj. The block is at machine shop and I need to drop off the cover/plate, but don't have any bolts. </blockquote> Bolt sizes needed -- eric, 03/14/2002
I need to find out the correct bolt sizes for the timing chain cover and the cam retainer plate on 428cj. The block is at machine shop and I need to drop off the cover/plate, but don't have any bolts.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12005&Reply=11994><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Bolt sizes needed</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike McQuesten, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Eric needs help you guys!   Are we all at work.....and can't check this out to make sure?   I know that's my problem.....work, ya that's it.  It's lunch!   I can do what I want.<br><br>So Eric I "think" your cam retaining bolts/phillips/socket head bolts should be 3/8" ...... just two of 'em.   But you should get the specific  bolts for this purpose.  You don't have them?  I think Ford still does but probably not on the shelf anymore.  I don't think you should use what Home Depot offers.<br><br>Timing set cover: two sizes, 5/16" for the top ones and 3/8" for the lower ones.   Again, I'm just guessing so you don't feel ignored.<br><br>kevin or Travis are pobably laughing right now 'cause they don't even think about something this mundane.  But I understand eric.   I'll check back later when I'm home and then I'll check and re post with the facts if no one else has helped us out. </blockquote> RE: Bolt sizes needed -- Mike McQuesten, 03/14/2002
Eric needs help you guys! Are we all at work.....and can't check this out to make sure? I know that's my problem.....work, ya that's it. It's lunch! I can do what I want.

So Eric I "think" your cam retaining bolts/phillips/socket head bolts should be 3/8" ...... just two of 'em. But you should get the specific bolts for this purpose. You don't have them? I think Ford still does but probably not on the shelf anymore. I don't think you should use what Home Depot offers.

Timing set cover: two sizes, 5/16" for the top ones and 3/8" for the lower ones. Again, I'm just guessing so you don't feel ignored.

kevin or Travis are pobably laughing right now 'cause they don't even think about something this mundane. But I understand eric. I'll check back later when I'm home and then I'll check and re post with the facts if no one else has helped us out.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12009&Reply=11994><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Pretty good guesses, MIke...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dan Davis, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>My handy-dandy AMK fastener catalog lists the FE timing cover bolts as 5/16-18 x 3/4 using a 1/2 hex head w/integral washer .59" OD and 3/8-16 x 7/8 using a 1/2 hex head w/integral washer .75" OD.  <br><br>The only cam plate bolt specs I can find are for a small block and are 1/4-20 x 5/8" w/7/16 hex head.  I do not know if this is the same as for an FE.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Dan </blockquote> Pretty good guesses, MIke... -- Dan Davis, 03/14/2002
My handy-dandy AMK fastener catalog lists the FE timing cover bolts as 5/16-18 x 3/4 using a 1/2 hex head w/integral washer .59" OD and 3/8-16 x 7/8 using a 1/2 hex head w/integral washer .75" OD.

The only cam plate bolt specs I can find are for a small block and are 1/4-20 x 5/8" w/7/16 hex head. I do not know if this is the same as for an FE.

Cheers,
Dan
 RE: thanks Dan -- Mike McQuesten, 03/14/2002
I'm home and just checked.

First the timing cover: Dan's handy dandy catalog has it right on. The lower 4 take the 3/8",upper four the 5/16". However, I'm looking at a C8AE-B cover right here and there's that one long 3/8" bolt that helps to hold the timing pointer(along with the two little screws that easily strip out in the aluminum.

As for the cam retainer plate: definitely a 7/16" special bolt (2 of them) that I've seen as Phillips and I've seen them as socket head. I did purchase two brand new as I said at one of our local Ford agencies just a couple of years ago. They are a Phillips Head, 7/16".

Kinda late but I hope it helps you eric.
 RE: Bolt sizes needed -- eric, 03/15/2002
Thanks for the responses. I'll have to see if I can locate the retainer bolts now.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11991&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hello does anyone know off hand where i can get some 410 pistons for this stroker engine i  am building .<br>Thanks  </blockquote> 410 pistons -- John, 03/14/2002
Hello does anyone know off hand where i can get some 410 pistons for this stroker engine i am building .
Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12012&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Fritz, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>re.410 pistons ---- Ron Miller at Ford Power Parts can help you, he has them in stock-- phone #  (562)921-5300  --good luck </blockquote> RE: 410 pistons -- Fritz, 03/14/2002
re.410 pistons ---- Ron Miller at Ford Power Parts can help you, he has them in stock-- phone # (562)921-5300 --good luck
 RE: 410 pistons -- John, 03/14/2002
Thanks Fritz
 RE: 410 pistons /Yes Badger ! -- Ray, 03/14/2002
Most auto parts stores can, if they want spend the time to get-um. Badger sells them in .030/.040&.060, if you can't find them 'e' mail me I'll get them for you. There a good cast piston and the only ones i'll use. Ray PS if you want to see the piston on my web site go to, www.puudog.com
 RE: 410 pistons -- Dallas Fridley, 03/18/2002
I have some. Ford Power Parts 9.5:1 compression ratio. Never used.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12072&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dallas Fridley, <i>03/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>forgot these are .030 oversized </blockquote> RE: 410 pistons -- Dallas Fridley, 03/18/2002
forgot these are .030 oversized
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12083&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>03/18/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Dallas I thought the 410 would generate a 10.5-1 compresion ratio .<br>How much you are looking for .<br>Thanks <br>John </blockquote> RE: 410 pistons -- John, 03/18/2002
Dallas I thought the 410 would generate a 10.5-1 compresion ratio .
How much you are looking for .
Thanks
John
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12120&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>tbolt, <i>03/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>if John isn't interested, I am. Dave rink @ 602-971-5991<br><br>thank you </blockquote> RE: 410 pistons -- tbolt, 03/20/2002
if John isn't interested, I am. Dave rink @ 602-971-5991

thank you
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12123&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>doug bolden, <i>03/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a standard 66' 410 the crank is gone, complete still assembled -block -pistons -rods- heads- tall merc valve covers-cast iron intake.<br>for sale all or parts,will take to columbus swap April 6th-7th or email me . Doug<br>This motor has been well stored for many years.<br> Parts are in Cincinnati ohio </blockquote> RE: 410 pistons -- doug bolden, 03/20/2002
I have a standard 66' 410 the crank is gone, complete still assembled -block -pistons -rods- heads- tall merc valve covers-cast iron intake.
for sale all or parts,will take to columbus swap April 6th-7th or email me . Doug
This motor has been well stored for many years.
Parts are in Cincinnati ohio
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12138&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 light truck FE of the '70s used a 410 piston.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>03/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>The 390 light truck engine used a 410 diecast piston to achieve it's lower compression.  Check out the Silvolite website for blueprints of their various offerings along the 390 truck line.<br><br>Once you determine which 390 light truck used the piston you want, you can either go to the corner auto parts store and order a nice cheap cast set, or you can order Silvolites, which I believe may be lightweight hypereutectic aluminum.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> 390 light truck FE of the '70s used a 410 piston. -- Dave Shoe, 03/20/2002
The 390 light truck engine used a 410 diecast piston to achieve it's lower compression. Check out the Silvolite website for blueprints of their various offerings along the 390 truck line.

Once you determine which 390 light truck used the piston you want, you can either go to the corner auto parts store and order a nice cheap cast set, or you can order Silvolites, which I believe may be lightweight hypereutectic aluminum.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12163&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Web site.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>tbolt, <i>03/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Any one know site address for badger pistons </blockquote> Web site. -- tbolt, 03/21/2002
Any one know site address for badger pistons
 RE: Web site. -- dean, 03/26/2002
I cannot find a site, buit I have used Badger PN# P178 in the past...
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12155&Reply=11991><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 410 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dallas Fridley, <i>03/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>John I am having custom pistons made by FPP to get the 12.5:1 ratio for a drag engine.<br> </blockquote> RE: 410 pistons -- Dallas Fridley, 03/21/2002
John I am having custom pistons made by FPP to get the 12.5:1 ratio for a drag engine.
 RE: 410 pistons -- John, 03/21/2002
What are you looking for $$.
Also what about the 10.5-1 comp ratio
I am not planning to drag race , but i do like to haul ass.
laters
John
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11988&Reply=11988><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>427 marine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>joe dula, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>whats your opinion of the marine motors out there for sale? besides reverse rotations any problems? </blockquote> 427 marine -- joe dula, 03/13/2002
whats your opinion of the marine motors out there for sale? besides reverse rotations any problems?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12008&Reply=11988><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 427 marine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tom P, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>my opinion<br><br>WAY overpriced, all you get is a top oiler block and a set of CJ/low riser rods... everything else is generic 390 stuff. If it's cheap enough, buy it. but add up the prices for the parts that are usuable before plunking down more than $1500 for one.<br><br> Be VERY suspicious of salt water getting into it. look down the water jackets with a light to see if cylinder walls are corroded badly. </blockquote> RE: 427 marine -- Tom P, 03/14/2002
my opinion

WAY overpriced, all you get is a top oiler block and a set of CJ/low riser rods... everything else is generic 390 stuff. If it's cheap enough, buy it. but add up the prices for the parts that are usuable before plunking down more than $1500 for one.

Be VERY suspicious of salt water getting into it. look down the water jackets with a light to see if cylinder walls are corroded badly.
 Changing reverse rotation to standard rotation... -- Dan Davis, 03/14/2002
...is accomplished only by switching cams, correct?

Cheers,
Dan
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12015&Reply=11988><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: educate yourself</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>David Thayer, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>First, what does a new "427" block cost?  I do not know. Second, don't even consider plunking down $3500 for the "buy it now" one on Ebay.  As the other post said, all of the stuff except the block is basic low performance 352/390 stuff. Here are the benefits, with a Marine 427, you get the big bore 4.23 crossbolt block that will take any big valve 427 heads. No other FE block will take big valve heads without modification. Also, marine 427's can still be found that are in good enough condition to stay standard bore, a big $ savings with 427's. Performance wise, the sideoiler does NOTHING for performance. If yo want a genuine crossbolt 427 that you could put med riser, or TP heads on then the marine will probably be your best buy. You can find good units for $1500 or less.  Do not, Repeat DO not get carried away and buy a "Complete" marine engine for $3500.  By the time you get through with it you will have too much money in it.<br><br>Good luck </blockquote> RE: educate yourself -- David Thayer, 03/14/2002
First, what does a new "427" block cost? I do not know. Second, don't even consider plunking down $3500 for the "buy it now" one on Ebay. As the other post said, all of the stuff except the block is basic low performance 352/390 stuff. Here are the benefits, with a Marine 427, you get the big bore 4.23 crossbolt block that will take any big valve 427 heads. No other FE block will take big valve heads without modification. Also, marine 427's can still be found that are in good enough condition to stay standard bore, a big $ savings with 427's. Performance wise, the sideoiler does NOTHING for performance. If yo want a genuine crossbolt 427 that you could put med riser, or TP heads on then the marine will probably be your best buy. You can find good units for $1500 or less. Do not, Repeat DO not get carried away and buy a "Complete" marine engine for $3500. By the time you get through with it you will have too much money in it.

Good luck
 RE: educate yourself -- joe dula, 03/14/2002
i agree , thanks. joe
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11978&Reply=11978><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>need help id'ing this engine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>john, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>i was told it was out of a 60's passenger car, and it was a 390. Here are some of the numbers off of it. <br><br>Heads- C7AE-A                 average fe heads?<br>Block- C6ME                       common fe block?<br>Block next to water pump- 28, then below it, 352<br>Exhaust Manifolds- C3SE9431-B<br> <br>Can you guys tell me what year this engine is,  from those codes, or do i need another one. i looked around the oil filter on the block, and found a two digit # followed by DIF. Do i need that number to find out what year it is? Will the castings from the head tell me what the compression ratio is? I think both 10.5 and 9.5 were an option in 68. THanks.  </blockquote> need help id'ing this engine -- john, 03/13/2002
i was told it was out of a 60's passenger car, and it was a 390. Here are some of the numbers off of it.

Heads- C7AE-A average fe heads?
Block- C6ME common fe block?
Block next to water pump- 28, then below it, 352
Exhaust Manifolds- C3SE9431-B

Can you guys tell me what year this engine is, from those codes, or do i need another one. i looked around the oil filter on the block, and found a two digit # followed by DIF. Do i need that number to find out what year it is? Will the castings from the head tell me what the compression ratio is? I think both 10.5 and 9.5 were an option in 68. THanks.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11986&Reply=11978><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: need help id'ing this engine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Norm F., <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>C6ME  390 or a 428 used in 66-67 T-Birds , Full Size Fords, some had blocked lifter oil feeds on Police Interceptor solid lifter motors , some even wound up in early 67 shelbys . If its a 390 it does not automatically mean it can be bored out to 428 size but maybe , you need to sonic it. (I actually have 2 428s , 1 is the C6ME and the other is a C6ME-A.)<br><br>  The heads you list are regular 390 heads and probably have bosses on the exhaust side to drill and tap additional holes for 14-bolt exhaust manifolds ?These heads with a little porting and Cobra Jet valves flow just as good at a fraction of the cost. Compression ratio depends on piston type etc but these heads are probably 68 to 70 cc.<br><br>  The exhaust manifold you identify looks like standard passenger car , right side ? nothing special. </blockquote> RE: need help id'ing this engine -- Norm F., 03/13/2002
C6ME 390 or a 428 used in 66-67 T-Birds , Full Size Fords, some had blocked lifter oil feeds on Police Interceptor solid lifter motors , some even wound up in early 67 shelbys . If its a 390 it does not automatically mean it can be bored out to 428 size but maybe , you need to sonic it. (I actually have 2 428s , 1 is the C6ME and the other is a C6ME-A.)

The heads you list are regular 390 heads and probably have bosses on the exhaust side to drill and tap additional holes for 14-bolt exhaust manifolds ?These heads with a little porting and Cobra Jet valves flow just as good at a fraction of the cost. Compression ratio depends on piston type etc but these heads are probably 68 to 70 cc.

The exhaust manifold you identify looks like standard passenger car , right side ? nothing special.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11993&Reply=11978><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: need help id'ing this engine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>john, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I knew the exhaust manifolds were stock, i was just hoping that the serial # might be able to tell what year the engine is. Wow, i forgot just how restrictive they were until i looked at it yesterday!  Are there date codes on fe's? I thought i read somewhere that there was a date code near the oil filter adapter. I was just curious as to what year motor this is. Thanks for the info.  </blockquote> RE: need help id'ing this engine -- john, 03/14/2002
I knew the exhaust manifolds were stock, i was just hoping that the serial # might be able to tell what year the engine is. Wow, i forgot just how restrictive they were until i looked at it yesterday! Are there date codes on fe's? I thought i read somewhere that there was a date code near the oil filter adapter. I was just curious as to what year motor this is. Thanks for the info.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=12019&Reply=11978><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: need help id'ing this engine</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Norm F., <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Exhaust Manifolds  C3SE etc. , means they were first used in 1963 but continued thru 67 . C is the decade 1960s the second didgit 3 is the year , 1963 , B is the 50s , D is the 70s etc.<br>  I recently sold a set of these manifolds on ebay and they came off a 1966 T-Bird Q-Code motor , a 428 which by the way was a C6ME block.<br> Yes, there is usually a date code at the edge of the block where the block is machined . Usually difficult to read due to the machining in that area.<br>   Most likely the block you have cam out of a 66 or 67 full size ford.  </blockquote> RE: need help id'ing this engine -- Norm F., 03/14/2002
Exhaust Manifolds C3SE etc. , means they were first used in 1963 but continued thru 67 . C is the decade 1960s the second didgit 3 is the year , 1963 , B is the 50s , D is the 70s etc.
I recently sold a set of these manifolds on ebay and they came off a 1966 T-Bird Q-Code motor , a 428 which by the way was a C6ME block.
Yes, there is usually a date code at the edge of the block where the block is machined . Usually difficult to read due to the machining in that area.
Most likely the block you have cam out of a 66 or 67 full size ford.
 ok......thanks norm.....n/m -- John, 03/15/2002
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11975&Reply=11975><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 fly wheel specs.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>J. Faulds, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I did a search regarding the above but would like validation.<br><br>The 390 that I'm installing in my '68 Mustang (with a 4 speed) came out of a car that had it bolted upto an automatic. My question; Are the fly wheels for 390's interchangable? If not, what identifiers do I need to look for when searching for a manual fly wheel.<br><br>Thanks in advance. <br><br> </blockquote> 390 fly wheel specs. -- J. Faulds, 03/13/2002
I did a search regarding the above but would like validation.

The 390 that I'm installing in my '68 Mustang (with a 4 speed) came out of a car that had it bolted upto an automatic. My question; Are the fly wheels for 390's interchangable? If not, what identifiers do I need to look for when searching for a manual fly wheel.

Thanks in advance.

 S/T (flywheel) & A/T ('flex plate') not interchangeable, per se.[n/m] -- Mr F, 03/14/2002
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11971&Reply=11971><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>"Thanks Dave"</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>BOB HOPKINS, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>ok hopefully I' ve fixed all of them, </blockquote> "Thanks Dave" -- BOB HOPKINS, 03/13/2002
ok hopefully I' ve fixed all of them,
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11990&Reply=11971><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Bob - did this response arrive by eMail? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mr F, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>n/m </blockquote> Bob - did this response arrive by eMail? [n/m] -- Mr F, 03/14/2002
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11992&Reply=11971><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Bob - did this response arrive by eMail? [n/m]</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>BOB HOPKINS, <i>03/14/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>MR :F it was a responce to fix my E-mail adressand say thanks for telling this old computer dummy how to!! </blockquote> RE: Bob - did this response arrive by eMail? [n/m] -- BOB HOPKINS, 03/14/2002
MR :F it was a responce to fix my E-mail adressand say thanks for telling this old computer dummy how to!!
 No problem. I fixed your old posts, too. [n/m] -- Mr F, 03/14/2002
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11970&Reply=11970><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Ac cobra 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Richard  D Coomes, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I purchased a ERA AC COBRA with a FORD big block in it . I was told it was a FE 427. The engine does have the cross bolts on both sides in the block and has a casting number C5AEH . Can anyone identify the engine for me . Also what grade of oil should I use and what oilfilter . The seller said it was a centeroiler not a side oiler<br>Many Thanks <br>Richard </blockquote> Ac cobra 427 -- Richard D Coomes, 03/13/2002
I purchased a ERA AC COBRA with a FORD big block in it . I was told it was a FE 427. The engine does have the cross bolts on both sides in the block and has a casting number C5AEH . Can anyone identify the engine for me . Also what grade of oil should I use and what oilfilter . The seller said it was a centeroiler not a side oiler
Many Thanks
Richard
 RE: Ac cobra 427 -- David Thayer, 03/13/2002
Hi,
Sounds like a cool car. Sounds like a 65 Marine engine if the owner said it was not a side oiler, The easiest way to tell is to look on the drivers side of the engnine just above the crossbolt heads, between those and the core plugs. If it IS a side oiler, you will see 3 small machined plugs, 1 just above each crossbolt head. IF not, you have a center oiler. oiler filter is a PH8, oil? I like Castrol GTX, weight? Depends on how and where you drive, 30-40wght should be OK.
Good Luck
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11977&Reply=11970><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Ac cobra 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Don’t use the cheap Fram PH8A filters, I blew one off in my CJ.  I like the NAPA Gold (WIX) filters.  They’re much heavier, no junk plastic parts inside plus a better filter media. </blockquote> RE: Ac cobra 427 -- Barry B, 03/13/2002
Don’t use the cheap Fram PH8A filters, I blew one off in my CJ. I like the NAPA Gold (WIX) filters. They’re much heavier, no junk plastic parts inside plus a better filter media.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11982&Reply=11970><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Ac cobra 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mac, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>from what ive seen all old Ford like it think 20/50 is what i use </blockquote> RE: Ac cobra 427 -- Mac, 03/13/2002
from what ive seen all old Ford like it think 20/50 is what i use
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17620&Reply=11970><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Ac cobra 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mike Drew, <i>06/28/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>Regarding filters--all the Ford vintage racers and performance guys in the Nor-Cal area rely exclusively on the Motorcraft FL-1HP.  Note--this is NOT your standard FL-1 which can be had at some chain auto parts stores.  The "HP" version (for High Performance) is a special-order part only available through Ford dealerships.  Cost is $12-15 each.<br><br>Cheap insurance, IMHO.... </blockquote> RE: Ac cobra 427 -- Mike Drew, 06/28/2003
Regarding filters--all the Ford vintage racers and performance guys in the Nor-Cal area rely exclusively on the Motorcraft FL-1HP. Note--this is NOT your standard FL-1 which can be had at some chain auto parts stores. The "HP" version (for High Performance) is a special-order part only available through Ford dealerships. Cost is $12-15 each.

Cheap insurance, IMHO....
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17677&Reply=11970><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Ac cobra 427</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>07/03/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>ERA had a number of center-oiler marine engines at their disposal a few years back.....one was even a counter-rotating unit.  Although most home builders find their own engine, I suspect a number of marine center-oilers found their way into the factory built cars.  The FRAM HP-1 is good for high pressure in case you have a high pressure pump, but probably isn't needed.  As far as what grade oil, you don't know the bearing clearances or type of pump. so it's difficult to say.  THe problem with 20W50 is that you have to warn the engine up for 5 to 10 miles before you can "gun it" as the oil doesn't drain back very fast till it warms up and you might suck up an air bubble.  10W30 will work fine provided the engine wasn't clearances to loose for racing purposes.  If this engine is already broken in (more than 1000 miles on it), I'd switch to Castrol 5W50 Synthetic which will cover all bases...or whatever brand you prefer of synthetic.  I didn't believe in synthetic, but I've been using it in a heavily loaded boat engine for a few years and the previous owner did also.  The engine runs great and doesn't use any oil...not bad for a 260 Hp 350 pushing a 7000 lb boat.  As far as the car goes, I have an ERA also with a 428 in it.  I am in the midst of changing head gaskets right now (got slightly overheated due to pin-hole in rad), but will be using synthetic once I have it back together now that I've broken the engine in on 10W30...and that's with 0.020" clearances and a high volume pump.  If you do a search on oil pressure in this forum, you will definately be so overwhelmed with info that you be to worried to even start the car.....chuckle, but it all boils down to what I've recommended...I think.  (Max pressure 70 to 80...min pressure hot at least 20)  At any rate, you'll never generate the power the engine is capable of...the car is just too light.....so it isn't as heavily loaded as say the same engine in a T-Bird...or a boat.  Have fun...let the engine warm up through rational driving, and you should have no trouble.   </blockquote> RE: Ac cobra 427 -- John, 07/03/2003
ERA had a number of center-oiler marine engines at their disposal a few years back.....one was even a counter-rotating unit. Although most home builders find their own engine, I suspect a number of marine center-oilers found their way into the factory built cars. The FRAM HP-1 is good for high pressure in case you have a high pressure pump, but probably isn't needed. As far as what grade oil, you don't know the bearing clearances or type of pump. so it's difficult to say. THe problem with 20W50 is that you have to warn the engine up for 5 to 10 miles before you can "gun it" as the oil doesn't drain back very fast till it warms up and you might suck up an air bubble. 10W30 will work fine provided the engine wasn't clearances to loose for racing purposes. If this engine is already broken in (more than 1000 miles on it), I'd switch to Castrol 5W50 Synthetic which will cover all bases...or whatever brand you prefer of synthetic. I didn't believe in synthetic, but I've been using it in a heavily loaded boat engine for a few years and the previous owner did also. The engine runs great and doesn't use any oil...not bad for a 260 Hp 350 pushing a 7000 lb boat. As far as the car goes, I have an ERA also with a 428 in it. I am in the midst of changing head gaskets right now (got slightly overheated due to pin-hole in rad), but will be using synthetic once I have it back together now that I've broken the engine in on 10W30...and that's with 0.020" clearances and a high volume pump. If you do a search on oil pressure in this forum, you will definately be so overwhelmed with info that you be to worried to even start the car.....chuckle, but it all boils down to what I've recommended...I think. (Max pressure 70 to 80...min pressure hot at least 20) At any rate, you'll never generate the power the engine is capable of...the car is just too light.....so it isn't as heavily loaded as say the same engine in a T-Bird...or a boat. Have fun...let the engine warm up through rational driving, and you should have no trouble.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=17710&Reply=11970><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Everyone has a favorite but...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>James, <i>07/08/2003</i></font><br /><blockquote>If you spend time around the synthetic oils you will find out that they tend to find the tiniest chink in your engines seals and gaskets and leak like someone that has drank to much beer. No one can take away from there ability to lubricate. I know that they do a little better job in that respect but these motors do not seal up well and leak a lot without the added quirkyness of synthetic oils. Something to consider. </blockquote> Everyone has a favorite but... -- James, 07/08/2003
If you spend time around the synthetic oils you will find out that they tend to find the tiniest chink in your engines seals and gaskets and leak like someone that has drank to much beer. No one can take away from there ability to lubricate. I know that they do a little better job in that respect but these motors do not seal up well and leak a lot without the added quirkyness of synthetic oils. Something to consider.
 RE: Everyone has a favorite but... -- michael strunk, 12/21/2005
Um, a little better might be an understatement. Synthetic oil is the only real choice for a performance engine. Ferrari, Porsche, Callaway, Koenig Lingenfelter, Shelby, Jaguar, Bugatti, NASA (space shuttle) you name it... Every NASCAR, NHRA, F1 teams all run synthetic. You instanly void the warranty in all these brands by not running synthetic.

FE's need not leak. While they require a greater level of detail you shouldn't expect any engine to leak using modern sealants.
 350 boat engine -- David, 12/22/2005
nice marine engine one of my dads buddys has a 36 foot boat and is powered by 2 454 BBC making 700hp each this boat huals ass. I just had to say it
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11958&Reply=11958><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 gt 4 spd clutch fork</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Charlie, <i>03/11/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am restoring a 67 390 gt mustang fb. I've gotten most of the parts together to finish, but the clutch fork. The original linkage that came with the car has a bottom clutch rod with a bolt looking piece on the end. The books show the rod having a pointer end that fits into the clutch fork. Which is right, if its the clutch fork with a hole in it, are the 429's, 428's, and 390's the same?<br>Thanks<br> </blockquote> 390 gt 4 spd clutch fork -- Charlie, 03/11/2002
I am restoring a 67 390 gt mustang fb. I've gotten most of the parts together to finish, but the clutch fork. The original linkage that came with the car has a bottom clutch rod with a bolt looking piece on the end. The books show the rod having a pointer end that fits into the clutch fork. Which is right, if its the clutch fork with a hole in it, are the 429's, 428's, and 390's the same?
Thanks
 Here's some info to help you stop 'forking' around... ;-) -- Mr F, 03/12/2002

The original linkage that came with the car has a bottom clutch rod with a bolt looking piece on the end. The books show the rod having a pointer end that fits into the clutch fork. Which is right,

The original linkage rod did have a pointy end. It was made from from a piece of hex-stock, drilled & tapped.

Obviously, it would follow that the clutch 'fork' (Ford called it a lever) had a matching depression....not a hole. But even Ford replacement parts deviate from the originals. Frankly, all you need is something that pushes on the 'fork' without flexing much or falling off as you drive.

if its the clutch fork with a hole in it, are the 429's, 428's, and 390's the same?

No - Ford made dozens of different 'forks', which vary by engine and model year. Here again, just contrive the set of 'fork' and linkage-rod so they match. Lots of rods will work - you just need one that's long enough to fit and while still providing some adjustability.

Hope this helps. If you need part numbers for the original stuff, let me know.

Mr F

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11951&Reply=11951><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>67/68 390 short block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>J. Faulds, <i>03/11/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>With the exception of the pistons themselves, are all 67/68 390 short block's identical?<br><br> </blockquote> 67/68 390 short block -- J. Faulds, 03/11/2002
With the exception of the pistons themselves, are all 67/68 390 short block's identical?

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11953&Reply=11951><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 67/68 390 short block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>03/11/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>If you exclude the cam from the shorblock, yes, they are. </blockquote> RE: 67/68 390 short block -- Gerry Proctor, 03/11/2002
If you exclude the cam from the shorblock, yes, they are.
 RE: 67/68 390 short block -- J. Faulds, 03/11/2002
thanks for the verification
 RE: 67/68 390 short block -- J. Faulds, 03/11/2002
Thanks for the verification
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11942&Reply=11942><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I found my "ticka tacka ticka" noise.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>James, <i>03/10/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>My Lunati cam went round. I didn't have all the parts here yet but I couldn't stand it any longer. I tore into that sucker with a vengence. The forth lifter from the front on the driver's side was all chewed up. The lobe right across from it had been affected by all the shavings. The reason it didn't pop back through the carb is that it was on the exhaust side. The .514 lift 224 duration cam is the most popular hydrolic grind that Lunati makes for this engine family and it has been around for 8 years or more with a long history of no failures. Summit selles out of it regularly so I was just one of the lucky ones. If a cam is going to go round it will usually do it at break in not at 6000 miles according to the people at Lunati. I posted about the tick earlier this week and I was asked to post my findings so there you go, round cam.   </blockquote> I found my "ticka tacka ticka" noise. -- James, 03/10/2002
My Lunati cam went round. I didn't have all the parts here yet but I couldn't stand it any longer. I tore into that sucker with a vengence. The forth lifter from the front on the driver's side was all chewed up. The lobe right across from it had been affected by all the shavings. The reason it didn't pop back through the carb is that it was on the exhaust side. The .514 lift 224 duration cam is the most popular hydrolic grind that Lunati makes for this engine family and it has been around for 8 years or more with a long history of no failures. Summit selles out of it regularly so I was just one of the lucky ones. If a cam is going to go round it will usually do it at break in not at 6000 miles according to the people at Lunati. I posted about the tick earlier this week and I was asked to post my findings so there you go, round cam.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11959&Reply=11942><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Would'a "ticka"d me off :)  n/t</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Nitro, <i>03/11/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote> </blockquote> Would'a "ticka"d me off :) n/t -- Nitro, 03/11/2002
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11963&Reply=11942><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>I am doing the unthinkable</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>James, <i>03/12/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I decided to go with a Compotition Cam with .494 lift and 218 duration at .050. It will probably lose 20 horses over it but I will not be putting it in neutral at stop signs anymore and I will have more power brakes as the 218 duration cam will make more vacumm than the 224 grind. Some how I feel as though I am casterating all its chances of running with the big dogs now. Hardest decision I ever made on the project. The car has seen it's share of going fast in it's lifetime I am sure. It is such a pretty car with it's flawless paint and all that it is probably better to put a milder grind in it and just show it and enjoy driving it more often. I am just going to miss the "rump a tee rump" of that old cam. I know...use a condum if I am going to cry out loud.  </blockquote> I am doing the unthinkable -- James, 03/12/2002
I decided to go with a Compotition Cam with .494 lift and 218 duration at .050. It will probably lose 20 horses over it but I will not be putting it in neutral at stop signs anymore and I will have more power brakes as the 218 duration cam will make more vacumm than the 224 grind. Some how I feel as though I am casterating all its chances of running with the big dogs now. Hardest decision I ever made on the project. The car has seen it's share of going fast in it's lifetime I am sure. It is such a pretty car with it's flawless paint and all that it is probably better to put a milder grind in it and just show it and enjoy driving it more often. I am just going to miss the "rump a tee rump" of that old cam. I know...use a condum if I am going to cry out loud.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=11979&Reply=11942><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: I am doing the unthinkable</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>03/13/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>You want to pay particular attention to the lobe separation angle when selecting a cam, James.  Nothing against Comp Cams (I've even use one...once) but they tend to run tight lobe centers -110 degrees seems to be their favorite number.  This gives the cam that nice lope and a strong mid-range but completely screws up the idle and idle vacuum.<br><br>You may want to look at cams that have LSAs in the 112 to 114 degree range.  These will give you a relatively smooth idle with good idle vacuum.  They have a softer mid-range and the power curve to redline is more linear.  The bottom-end will depend on how much duration you're using, but a mandatory high-stall converter isn't an issue.  Just for what it's worth, I'm using a Crane HMV-278-2NC cam in my 390.  It has fairly high lift with durations of 222 intake and 234 exhaust, but it's ground on wide centers (around 112 degrees as I recall).  The idle is good, I don't need a converter -but it would sure pull harder on the launch with one ;-) and I'm pulling 14-inches of idle vacuum. </blockquote> RE: I am doing the unthinkable -- Gerry Proctor, 03/13/2002
You want to pay particular attention to the lobe separation angle when selecting a cam, James. Nothing against Comp Cams (I've even use one...once) but they tend to run tight lobe centers -110 degrees seems to be their favorite number. This gives the cam that nice lope and a strong mid-range but completely screws up the idle and idle vacuum.

You may want to look at cams that have LSAs in the 112 to 114 degree range. These will give you a relatively smooth idle with good idle vacuum. They have a softer mid-range and the power curve to redline is more linear. The bottom-end will depend on how much duration you're using, but a mandatory high-stall converter isn't an issue. Just for what it's worth, I'm using a Crane HMV-278-2NC cam in my 390. It has fairly high lift with durations of 222 intake and 234 exhaust, but it's ground on wide centers (around 112 degrees as I recall). The idle is good, I don't need a converter -but it would sure pull harder on the launch with one ;-) and I'm pulling 14-inches of idle vacuum.
 RE: I am doing the unthinkable -- Ray, 03/13/2002
Jerry, thats area you want to be in, 214 to 224 @ .050 for the intake and 224 to 234 exhaust with 112 lobe centers. 112 lobe center dose make it a softer on the bottom, but will make much more drivable. There's other ways to increase the vacuum, total seal rings,tight bronz guilds, and viton positive seals will difinitly help as well as making more HP. Minds a little bigger cam, but it's a roller@ 226x236 .590and .610 @ 112 lobe center. My wife should be able to drive it to store, I think ! @ 625 HP. Ray
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