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 |  Motor Mount Troubles -- Rick Croom, 11/14/2001
I have a 64 Tbird 390 that I am trying to put in my 74 Ranger. The problem is that the motor mounts from the 74 390 don't fit the 64 390. Where can I get the correct motor mounts for this appication? QUICK!! I only have 1 more week of vacation. |
|  | RE: Motor Mount Troubles -- Mel Clark, 11/14/2001
The '64 engines have only 2 vertical bolt holes for the motor mounts, the '66 and newer have a different mounting system but, the mounts alone should be available from any parts store. Be sure you ask for '64 mounts. I assume you are asking about the rubber cushions. |
| | | '64 mounts won't fit into a truck. -- Dave Shoe, 11/14/2001
All '65 newer FE blocks got the 4-boss mounting pattern, though usually only three bolts were needed by the insulators. All 1958-62 blocks only got a two bolt mounting pattern for mounting engine insulators.
Some '70s truck insulators may only bolt to two of the four engine block bosses, but I suspect the insulator will bolt to the two new bosses, not the two original bosses. I'll have to look when I get home.
Shoe. |
| | |  | RE: '64 mounts won't fit into a truck. -- Rick Croom, 11/14/2001
Dave, You are correct. The truck mounts fit to thenew bosses. They also have a 4" bolt spread. The 64 engine tat I have uses the original bosses and they have a 2 1/2" spread. Do you knoe of anyone that makes a mount for this application?
Thanks,
Rick |
| | | | | I don't know. -- Dave Shoe, 11/15/2001
I haven't dealt with this topic very much.
Shoe. |
| | | | |  | RE: I don't know. -- Rick Croom, 11/15/2001
Dave thanks for your help. I found a company in Ohio. progressive Automotive, Inc. is going to custom fabricate me a set. All I have to do is weld the frame mounts in. I'll let you know how it works out. |
| | | | RE: Time to Fabricate -- Mel Clark, 11/15/2001
I was only considering the "Motor Mounts" which bolt to the block. The "Frame Mounts" will most likely have to be fabricated.
It will probably be faster to build your own. I don't know of anyone making frame mounts for this combination. It's pretty hard to even find a '60s car that the bone yards will cut them out of for you now days. |
| need help! -- gerald, 11/13/2001
help please ! i have a 64 galaxie ; 428 4speed
i wont to no if i put a 2=4 will i half to change
heads i m runing c4ae-g i was told that was not
a good head but it has tall runners and im useing long cast headers i dont have a 2=4 yet but hope
to find someone to traid my short cast headers to
for a 2=4 intake an air cleaner top&bouttum
but my qustion is do yall think the heads will work
for me thanks for all the help . [ gerald] |
|  | Nope. In fact there is a fellow here who has... -- Dan Davis, 11/14/2001
a C3AE 2x4 intake that I think he wants to sell.
Cheers,
Dan |
| | I have the intake & air cleaner for sale -- John, 11/14/2001
Gerald I can sell you the 2x4 low riser intake and an oval COBRA 2x4 air cleaner, but I don't need the shorty cast headers. email me and I'll send back pictures of the stuff.
John |
| | About those shorty cast headers..... -- Ed, 11/16/2001
...do they have thermo choke ports cast in? If so I may want them. If not I may still want them.
How long are you planning to hold on to them? I don't have a 2x4 intake, maby we could trade them for something else? |
| | | RE: About those shorty cast headers..... -- gerald, 11/16/2001
they do have the ports for that.
what do you have to traid?
i could use a tri power with carbs & air cleaner
i gave a lot for thees they are mint condition
with new collector & pipe end
i got all from hemmings .
thanks gerald |
| | | | I have.......... -- ED Jenkins, 11/17/2001
....a very rare 66 Mustang with 289 and manual trans, numbers matching 1.08 4100 with orginal carb tag.
I also have a 64 Galaxie 1.12 4100.
I have several other 4100's as well. I don't know if that's what you are looking for or not. How much did you pay for a set any way? Would you condsider selling the shortys out right? |
| | | | RE: About those shorty cast headers..... -- Ed Jenkins, 01/08/2002
Do have any left? If so how much would you want outright for a set if you were going to sell them? |
| Transmission? -- Paul, 11/13/2001
I think my trans on my 352 Galaxie xl is dying. Would a C-4 or C-6 trans bolt up to everything instead of the original Cruise-o-Matic? If so, would the costs be greatly increased going with either of the two?
Thanks for any help or advice. |
| non-emission 390 -- Daryl Braun, 11/12/2001
I have a 68 gt s code mustang .My car is a Canadian dso car marked non-emissions system.Would my car still have used a pcv valve or would it just have had a breather cap in the valve covers?Would the breater cap still be piped to the air cleaner.Also ,thanks to the forum ,I wrote the forum about ayear ago questioning an oil loss into my coolant .I had 2 sound replies quoting Mr.Christ.I informed my machine shop and they followed the recommendation and the problem was solved.Incidentally I ran the car at the track this fall and pulled off a 13.0 at 105 mph with a 4spd. The engine is balanced has performer rpm with a 750 double pumper a mild single pattern cam and 9:1cr. Not bad for a boat anchor |
| engineI.D. -- Gary Howarth, 11/12/2001
My son in law is giving me a 1968 meteor which he says has a 390 in it.I have not seen it but the serial # is 8b30y519267. I cannot find this under the "engines:" column.Would you know what this is? |
| | Sorry - didn't get to 'Y', yet. Its a 390 2v - 270bhp @ 4400rpm [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/12/2001
n/m |
| | | RE: Y not 1960? -- Mike McQuesten, 11/12/2001
And what might Y be for 1960 Mr. F? |
| | | | I know - you're still waiting for a 352HP page. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 11/13/2001
n/m |
| | | | | RE: I know - you're still waiting for a 352HP page -- Gary Howarth, 11/13/2001
Thanks.I have a 67 mustang "s"code but has a 351c in it and i plan to rebuild and use this 390.Any tips? |
| | | | | RE: Thanks Mr. F. -- Mike McQuesten, 11/13/2001
Thanks, I'm looking forward to it. I do think the '60 HP is sort of a milestone in FE performance....Ford finally saw fit to get back into the Total Performance scene. Yet, many don't know the interesting development that went on behind the scenes in Dearborn to pull off the factory hot rodded 352. |
| | | | RE: Y not 1960? -- R Shannon, 11/13/2001
Yea, Get a 428 crank, flyweel, 410 pistions , a good PI/CJ cam, match port and polish the heads/intake/exhaust, drill the oil passages out as oil passages as suggested in Pat Ganahl book. This will bring the 390 to life without the high lift thumping of a big cam. If you have it over bored you will have at least 415 CU. INS |
| | | | | RE: heads -- Gary Howarth, 11/13/2001
Thanks for the info.Should i use the stock heads or try something else? |
| | | | | | RE: heads -- R Shannon, 11/14/2001
HP FE heads are hard to find and usually have smaller combustion chambers (good for higher compression, but bad for todays gas) nothing wrong with the stock heads as long as they are vated and check for cracks. A good machine shop can match port and polish them if you don't have the capibilities to do it. Edelbrock make a nice AL head for the FE, but the are quite costly. A nice old PI cam with .481/490 lift works good. I don't like the higher lift cams do to the higher Idle speed required. |
| 390 fe -- Charlie Pagel, 11/12/2001
I'm looking to put a 390 in my 67 fb mustang. I don't have a lot of info on the FE engine group. Can any one tell me if there is any diff in heads on a 390 gt vs 4bbl, 2bbl, etc... Also do 428 heads inter change with 390 heads and is that worth the time for performance boost? I have a 1966 ford pickup w/ a 390 and c6. Acording to my mustang books the fan, shroud, and radiator and misc pulleys are the same as used in mustangs. Are the 390 pick up blocks the same as the cars?
Thanks for the help.
Charlie
baddogideas@home.com |
| | RE: Is your '67 an FE 'stang? -- Mike McQuesten, 11/13/2001
If your 1967 Mustang was a factory built 390 car, things should fall into place very nicely for you.
If your Mustang is not a factory built 390 car....you have a lot of parts collecting and buying to do.
One quick response I can tell you with regard to that Mustang book that tells you the fan, shroud and radiator are the same, well, that is not true. As for misc pulleys, there may be a pulley or two but not many interchange between a '66 FE Ford pick up and a Mustang 390.
The 390 blocks are essentially the same from '65 on. I mean the same as for the engine mount holes.
There's no performance advantage with standard 428 heads. There is with 428 Cobra Jet heads, # C8OE-N.
As for the C6 in your '66 Ford pick up...it's not stock right? From what I've seen, the '66 pick ups with automatics were still cruisomatics. Not till '67 did they get the C6.
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| | | RE: Is your '67 an FE 'stang? -- charlie, 11/13/2001
No, The 390 and c6 aren't original to the truck. They were added by someone previous to my purchase to make a hot rod out of it. Even the rear end and radiator, coolant lines etc. were changed, I'm not sure where they came from.
Thanks for the reply |
| | | | RE: Is your '67 an FE 'stang? -- Mike McQuesten, 11/13/2001
You bet Charlie. I don't want to sound too discouraging about installing that 390/C6 into your '67. It's doable. It's been done. But like I was hinting to you, if your car wasn't an FE to start with, it's a big big job. Best way is to find a donor FE Mustang....oh wait, most of those have been used.
If your Mustang was a small block, I'd recommend cleaning it up real well and .... selling it!
If your Mustang was a 6 poppin' 200 big 'uns.....clean it up too and .... sell it!
Then go find a factory 390/428 Mustang from any year '67 - '70. Then you may have what you want. |
| man on mustang 428 registry forum has one -- mikeb, 11/12/2001
of the factory Ford Drag Team cars. He is looking for information if anyone here would like to help him
thanks |
| 70 428scj ,4spd,430rr sportroof non mach 1? -- dale, 11/11/2001
how many fastback non mach 1 428scj,4spd,430r made in 1970? |
| ID help on old FE stuff -- John, 11/11/2001
I just dragged home a pile of stuff. A motor, supposedly a '69 428CJ, is one item - the heads are cast with C7AE-A, the timing cover has stamped C3AE-6059-A and there are no stamped VINs I could easily find, but on the Left front the block has cast 25 and just below it 352. What engine is this? I also found a 8V intake C3AE-9425 as well. Two bellhousings C6OA-6394D, one with 9C4 and the other with 9A17 on it. What are they from? a 4-speed with fat input shaft, and numbers everywhere but no ID tag on side -C8AR 7006D upside-down, C4ZR-7A040 on tail, and C5AR 7050 on input shaft collar. also along the upper edge of the mounting flange is stamped 9F171584 by hand. Is this a partial VIN number? any help is appreciated, thanks
John |
| | RE: ID help on old FE stuff -- Mike McQuesten, 11/11/2001
The C7AE-A heads are not Cobra Jet. They may be standard FE heads for 1967. I don't believe they're too special.
The 8V intake, C3AE should be a 1963 427 intake.
The two bellhousings, C6OA - both cast in '69, one one January 17 (9A17) the other March 4 (9C4). They are both stick shift bells for uni body Fords & Mercs equipped with an FE engine. Note that the casting was originally for the the 1966 Fairlane 390 with 3 or 4 speed. They were used through 1970. |
| | RE: ID help on old FE stuff -- Travis Miller, 11/12/2001
The C7AE-A heads were used on the 428 Police Interceptor engines. That may be what you have. |
| | | C7AE-A heads were used on all 1967 FE engines. -- Dave Shoe, 11/12/2001
The C7AE-A casting was the most common head used on all FEs in 1967. Other less-common standard castings were C6AE-R and C6AE-U (early in the year).
The C7AE-A head was used in any non-racing (427) application, as were the two C6 numbers. Whether 390-2V, 428PI, 390GT, 410, 352 pickup truck, and sometimes industrial applications. If the exhaust bolt pattern has a 14-bolt per head pattern, it was used in Fairlane/Mustang applications, 8-bolt in most other applications.
It sounds like the engine is of 1967 vintage, as the C3 timing cover was compatible with the damper design used through 1967. It's not likely a 428, but if it has a large "A" or "C" character which protrudes from the flywheel surface of the block, then it's likely a 428. The date code on the block is located below the oil filter bracket on the unmachined 45-degree sloped surface.
Shoe. |
| | | | It's got a big "A" on the back of the block -- John, 11/13/2001
does this make it a 428 for sure? it also has "352" cast on the LF surface of the block, does this mean it's a 352? I need to pull it apart anyway, is there anything stamped in the lifter valley that will tell me for sure if it's a 428PI or something else? It's going in a '67 GT500, so with all these casting #'s, will it be correct for the car? sorry to be a nag.
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| | | | | Yup, It's a regular 428 block. -- Dave Shoe, 11/14/2001
The "A" block is a standard duty 428 block and the "C" is the reinforced 428 block.
The "A" was most commonly used in regular 428 applications, and the "C" was most often used in 428PI, 428CJ, and 428SCJ applications. I don't yet know about industrial 428 applications of the block.
I understand the "A" block is correct for many Shelbys because there was a time back in 1967-68 when the "C" blocks seemed to be in short supply (or something) and many PI and early CJ blocks were made using the non-reinforced "A" block. Hey, they're both strong blocks, and both hold up well in performance situations.
As for whether it's correct for your particular car, I'm not certain. I strongly suspect it is. A Shelby concourse judge would know for sure. One thing I have heard is the date code cast into the block below the oil filter bracket should show the block was cast from one week to three months prior to the build date on the car.
Shoe. |
| | | | RE: C7AE-A heads were used on all 1967 FE engines. -- p, 11/14/2001
Dave,
A recent request from a friend to check into swapping a 390 head onto a marine 427, which after checking, I advised him to go ahead with but check intake ports (exhaust bolt pattern doesn't matter with marine application, because only the top and the bottom bolts are used, and all FE heads have em).
Your comment was "C6AE-R heads are identical to the C7JE marine", which I find interesting due to the fact that the C6AE-R appears to be a one-year-only (but probably generic) part for the 352.
My question is: is the C7AE-A, a basic C7JE, but with larger valves? The marine, I believe, uses the 2.022" intake and 1.551" exh.
Not that it really matters, but purely out of idle interest on this one! I realize there are many variations that never made it to print, and small runs like the machined heads for the early 352 which only were in production for 90 days.
regards, P
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| | | | | C6AE-R was common on all FEs in 1966-67. -- Dave Shoe, 11/14/2001
Federal emissions regulations changed FE heads and intakes a whole bunch in 1966. Features for adapring the FE head to fit the Fairlane engine bay were also added to all FE heads this year.
The small-runner C7AE-A appears to be the most common head in 1967, but the large-runner C6AE-R appears to be the second place finisher.
Other emissions-era small runner castings which were common in 1966-67 were the C6AE-J earlier in the 1966 year, C6AE-L (if I remember this suffix right) in mid-1966, and C6AE-U in later 1966 and early 1967.
By the second round of federal emissions changes at the start of 1968, Ford decided the C8AE-H head would replace all previous emissions castings. The D2TE-AA casting of 1972 was just a rehash of the C8AE-H head, but the exhaust seats were "induction hardened" (like a camshaft lobe is hardened) and the foundry was moved to the new MCC facility.
As for the valve sizes, all non-MR/HR/TP/SOHC FE head castings are cast to fit 2.02/2.03" intakes and 1.55/1.56" exhaust valves. Even the CJ head is cast for this valve size, however the CJ head gets an extra machining step in production which dresses-out the valve throat to fit the larger 2.08/2.09" intake and 1.65/1.66" exhaust valves.
The C7AE-A is NOT like the 427 marine heads. Marine heads have the old "large runner" heads which have the 1966 thermactor, exhaust manifold, and AR mods.
The C6AE-R head is like 427 marine heads of 1966-later. On my two 427 marine engines, I got a mix of C6TE and C7JE castings (I forget the suffixes right now) which were identical to some C6AE-R castings I had. Note that I've got several C6AE-R castings and some are slightly different than other C6AE-Rs, so exact comparison between a C6AE-R casting and another casting can be a bit confusing.
Shoe.
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| | | | | | FE heads -- P, 11/14/2001
Dave, fascinating!
And thanks.
This is another one of your posts going into my hard copy reference files!
P
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| | RE: ID help on old FE stuff -- Wal Kenney, 11/17/2001
G'Day from West Australia, I've got a '77 FE & am in the process of a major 351C rebuild. I cant find anyone here who knows about ID #'s. I think all the motors were cast here but cant find out what block I've got. Engine # is JG71RR. Grateful for any help at all.
thanks, Wal |
| | | Can you offer more details on the motor? -- Dave Shoe, 11/18/2001
The last year for the FE was 1976 (360/390), but the FT (330/361/391) was made through 1978.
Can you give us more details, such as location of the numbers you mentioned, or some info about the vehicle or engine?
Shoe. |
| | | | RE: Can you offer more details on the motor? -- Wal Kenney, 11/20/2001
Sorry, bit of confusion. My car is a Ford F100 ( FE ).
If u can still help, I found the original operators manual for the vehicle.
Serial prefix # AL 4K TR 64772 ,SERIAL # 51064, SIDO # 446589, ENGINE Y, TRANS L. A 302c was the standard donk so I know its not the original motor. The only other #'s on the 351c are 15 cast in the back of the block & 14 in the front behind the cam gear. The full engine # stamped just above fuel pump is JG71RR 82552K. 351 Cleveland, 2V closed chamber heads. I think the motors were built in Australia.
See how you go anyway.
Wal |
| | | | | Yup. What you've got is over my head. -- Dave Shoe, 11/21/2001
Unfortunately, I'm not versed in the 351 stuff, so I can't much help you out with any info.
You may find some knowledgeable help in the main forum at http://fomoco.com/mustang-forum/ .
Shoe. |
| | | | | RE: Can you offer more details on the motor? -- FE427TP, 11/21/2001
Y code was the 360 engine, if it's a 351C you may have the 351M instead, same heads but a taller block and windsor crank |
| re; carbs -- David Siedschlag, 11/11/2001
Another question I have after going out to my shop, is the carb that I found in the car when I bought it. the fomoco tag no. on it is C5FA-F. Is this the autolight 4300 carb that I believe this engine should have on it or what? Some one please help me identify this. Thanks again David |
| | RE: re; carbs -- Royce Peterson, 11/11/2001
Your Cougar came with a Holley 600CFM carb P/N C70F-A (std trans, no smog), C70F-B (auto trans, no smog), C70F-C(std trans, with smog), or C70F-D(Auto trans, Smog).
The Autolite 4300 was not used on '67 Cougar 390 engines. Addidionally, the number you quoted is not valid, maybe you misread it? It does not appear in 1965 thru 1967 Ford service literature.
Royce Peterson
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| | RE: re; carbs -- Bill, 11/11/2001
Correst number is C5AF-F. 4100 carb for a 390 65 Ford |
| | | RE: re; carbs -- Bill, 11/11/2001
Excuse me correct number |
| | No the 4300 was introduced in 1967 your -- Ed, 11/12/2001
C5FA-F is most likley a C5AF-F which is a 1965 Fullsize Ford 4100. ... |
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