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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22361&Reply=22361><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>69 428 CJ driveshaft length</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark Cola, <i>08/08/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'm converting from a C6 automatic to a 4spd toploader. Can I use the original driveshaft?  If not, what is the proper driveshaft length for a 4spd vs a C6?  Thanks </blockquote> 69 428 CJ driveshaft length -- Mark Cola, 08/08/2004
I'm converting from a C6 automatic to a 4spd toploader. Can I use the original driveshaft? If not, what is the proper driveshaft length for a 4spd vs a C6? Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22371&Reply=22361><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 69 428 CJ driveshaft length</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>raycfe, <i>08/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>c6=46 19/32  4sd -50inchs </blockquote> RE: 69 428 CJ driveshaft length -- raycfe, 08/10/2004
c6=46 19/32 4sd -50inchs
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22377&Reply=22361><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 69 428 CJ driveshaft length</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark Cola, <i>08/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>many thanks for the length info...now where do you find one, i.e., for a 4 spd car? </blockquote> RE: 69 428 CJ driveshaft length -- Mark Cola, 08/10/2004
many thanks for the length info...now where do you find one, i.e., for a 4 spd car?
 RE: 69 428 CJ driveshaft length -- raycfe, 08/11/2004
Last one I needed I had made, was just a little more than a used one on ebay plus shipping. Nice new parts, all balanced...
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22359&Reply=22359><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Intake leak</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joe Metzger, <i>08/08/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I thought this issue was just addresed. I need to get my motor back to the shop that rebuilt it.  I have a pretty good oil leat at the intake in the rear on both sides.  Sorry to drag this one out again but I cant find the thread that addressed this issue.  It's an Edelbrock RPM. <br>Also what do I tourque the bolts to in case I decide to do it myself.<br><br>                               Thanks Joe </blockquote> Intake leak -- Joe Metzger, 08/08/2004
I thought this issue was just addresed. I need to get my motor back to the shop that rebuilt it. I have a pretty good oil leat at the intake in the rear on both sides. Sorry to drag this one out again but I cant find the thread that addressed this issue. It's an Edelbrock RPM.
Also what do I tourque the bolts to in case I decide to do it myself.

Thanks Joe
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22360&Reply=22359><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Intake leak</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>glennz, <i>08/08/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>had the same problem, on 67 GTA, with rpm intake.  i did not use the cork ends,  had totake off intake and reseal he ends,  they have a rubberized silicone that adheres much better,  i  just lasi a bigger bead on the rail, and then come up the intake surface a ways,  stay away from the oil return holes.  redid mine about 3 weeks ago,  no drips what so ever now.  on most rebuilds i put about 1/4 inch bead on the end rails,  found on the FE's have to lay 2 1/4 in beads on top of each other you may have extra that oozzes out but that can be cut in a few days with a sharp razor knife,  one case in engine building where more is actually better..<br><br><br>glenn z </blockquote> RE: Intake leak -- glennz, 08/08/2004
had the same problem, on 67 GTA, with rpm intake. i did not use the cork ends, had totake off intake and reseal he ends, they have a rubberized silicone that adheres much better, i just lasi a bigger bead on the rail, and then come up the intake surface a ways, stay away from the oil return holes. redid mine about 3 weeks ago, no drips what so ever now. on most rebuilds i put about 1/4 inch bead on the end rails, found on the FE's have to lay 2 1/4 in beads on top of each other you may have extra that oozzes out but that can be cut in a few days with a sharp razor knife, one case in engine building where more is actually better..


glenn z
 RE: Intake leak -- BillC, 08/09/2004
A real nice intake bolt is the ARP stainless hex head 070-454-2002 from Jegs. You have to cut down 2 of them when you use the RPM intake.
 RE: Intake leak -- giacamo, 08/09/2004
i glue the end gaskets down and let them set up over night i use permatex super blue on the corners and a bead over the gaskets and around the water pasages, with good resoults, be carful on torking down the intake you can crack them eazy even the cast iron ones at the void betwein the ports........
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22357&Reply=22357><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Are ladder bars bad for a street car?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Steve M., <i>08/07/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 67 galaxie and a mild 390 with a 391 rear end. It has a full ladder bar rear suspension on it and I threw on a set of M/T street slicks and the first run out. SNAP!! I broke the cross member that the ladder bars are welded to on the frame. I am at a point where I can take all this stuff off or repair. I have heard it is rough on a street car. It is a 90% driver and 10% at the track. Any opinions? </blockquote> Are ladder bars bad for a street car? -- Steve M., 08/07/2004
I have a 67 galaxie and a mild 390 with a 391 rear end. It has a full ladder bar rear suspension on it and I threw on a set of M/T street slicks and the first run out. SNAP!! I broke the cross member that the ladder bars are welded to on the frame. I am at a point where I can take all this stuff off or repair. I have heard it is rough on a street car. It is a 90% driver and 10% at the track. Any opinions?
 RE: Most of the time, they aren't set up right. -- Gerry Proctor, 08/09/2004
If it's a ladder bar that completely does away with the previous suspension then they may be fine as far as design but poor in exectution. But what you normally run into is a ladder bar set up with the existing components. Without a housing floater it usually puts the rear suspension movement in a bind due to conflicting travel archs.

A properly set up ladder bar will resemble a track locator that is used on the NASCAR racers (actually, it's just an old Chevy pickup truck suspension) if it runs without the factory suspension.

It's also possible that whoever installed the ladder bar did a poor job of it.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22349&Reply=22349><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Unknown Big Block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark Viera, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I posted this question on the general page before I found the FE page & I got some help but I was hoping to get more info.<br><br>The motor in my 1967 GTA S code is not the original block. The motor is currently in the car so I am limited as to what I can view.<br>I am certain it is a 1968 block based on the casting date of (8A8) I had the oil pan off & found that it did have triple cranksaddle webbing. I was told that the blocks that used triple webbing in that time frame were likely either Cobra Jet, Police interceptor or truck blocks (<a href="http://www.428cobrajet.org/id-block.html">http://www.428cobrajet.org/id-block.html</a>)<br><br>Casting Number C7ME<br>Casting Date 8A8<br>Partial VIN 8J129323 (From the drivers side of the block below the head)<br><br><br>Can someone please answer the following questions for me? <br>Please provide as much detail as possible.<br>1.	Is the J in the partial VIN for Los Angels built cars?<br>2.	What “Big Block” cars was Ford building in L.A. in 1968<br>3.	Can I use this partial VIN to track down the data of the car the block originally came in, & if so how.<br>4.	Does this block seem like it is a 390 or 428<br>5.	What motors was Ford building in 1968 that would have had the triple webbing.<br>6.	What other clues can I look for to help identify the block without removing the motor?<br><br>Please feel free to email me directly if needed<br>Thank you in advance for any help<br>Mark </blockquote> Unknown Big Block -- Mark Viera, 08/06/2004
I posted this question on the general page before I found the FE page & I got some help but I was hoping to get more info.

The motor in my 1967 GTA S code is not the original block. The motor is currently in the car so I am limited as to what I can view.
I am certain it is a 1968 block based on the casting date of (8A8) I had the oil pan off & found that it did have triple cranksaddle webbing. I was told that the blocks that used triple webbing in that time frame were likely either Cobra Jet, Police interceptor or truck blocks (http://www.428cobrajet.org/id-block.html)

Casting Number C7ME
Casting Date 8A8
Partial VIN 8J129323 (From the drivers side of the block below the head)


Can someone please answer the following questions for me?
Please provide as much detail as possible.
1. Is the J in the partial VIN for Los Angels built cars?
2. What “Big Block” cars was Ford building in L.A. in 1968
3. Can I use this partial VIN to track down the data of the car the block originally came in, & if so how.
4. Does this block seem like it is a 390 or 428
5. What motors was Ford building in 1968 that would have had the triple webbing.
6. What other clues can I look for to help identify the block without removing the motor?

Please feel free to email me directly if needed
Thank you in advance for any help
Mark
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22354&Reply=22349><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>It sounds good.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>C7ME only indicates it's a non-sideoiler FE cast from 1967-72, nothing else.  The date code gives you the date, as described.<br><br>It may be a PI/CJ casting, or an FT casting (possibly a 330MD/330HD FT. as they have 332/352/360/390/410 type cylinder jackets.  Alternately, it may be a 361FT/391FT truck block, as these generally have the 428-type of cylinder jacket.<br><br>Note that all 360/390 FE and 361/391 FT blocks got the reinforced main webbing from about 1973-on.  This does NOT suggest all 360/390 FE blocks have the 361/391/428 type cylinder jackets, as they don't.  It only means Ford standardized on the reinforced main webbing around 1973.  This does not apply to your casting.  note that some FTs occasionally came with standard cylinder 360/390/410 blocks, so caution is always advised.<br><br>If you don't have a bored out 330FT block, then you've very likely got a block capable of handling a 428 bore.  An FE "drill bit test" will verify.<br><br>Shoe. </blockquote> It sounds good. -- Dave Shoe, 08/06/2004
C7ME only indicates it's a non-sideoiler FE cast from 1967-72, nothing else. The date code gives you the date, as described.

It may be a PI/CJ casting, or an FT casting (possibly a 330MD/330HD FT. as they have 332/352/360/390/410 type cylinder jackets. Alternately, it may be a 361FT/391FT truck block, as these generally have the 428-type of cylinder jacket.

Note that all 360/390 FE and 361/391 FT blocks got the reinforced main webbing from about 1973-on. This does NOT suggest all 360/390 FE blocks have the 361/391/428 type cylinder jackets, as they don't. It only means Ford standardized on the reinforced main webbing around 1973. This does not apply to your casting. note that some FTs occasionally came with standard cylinder 360/390/410 blocks, so caution is always advised.

If you don't have a bored out 330FT block, then you've very likely got a block capable of handling a 428 bore. An FE "drill bit test" will verify.

Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22362&Reply=22349><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Consecutive unit numbers Trucks</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark Viera, <i>08/08/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for the info.<br>Do you know if Ford trucks consecutive unit numbers started with a “C” in the late 1960’s.?<br>The partial VIN number I found begins with a “1”.<br> </blockquote> Consecutive unit numbers Trucks -- Mark Viera, 08/08/2004
Thanks for the info.
Do you know if Ford trucks consecutive unit numbers started with a “C” in the late 1960’s.?
The partial VIN number I found begins with a “1”.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22363&Reply=22349><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Unit numbers Trucks - Start here</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Robert, <i>08/08/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote><a href="http://www.fordification.com/data-1967.htm">http://www.fordification.com/data-1967.htm</a> </blockquote> RE: Unit numbers Trucks - Start here -- Robert, 08/08/2004
http://www.fordification.com/data-1967.htm
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22366&Reply=22349><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>So it can not be a truck motor</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Mark Viera, <i>08/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Robert,<br>Thanks for the info. So it looks like my block can not be from a truck because of the J code for the assembly plant & the consecutive unit number does not start with a C.<br>Does anybody know what other blocks would have had triple cranksaddle webbing in 1968.<br><br> </blockquote> So it can not be a truck motor -- Mark Viera, 08/09/2004
Robert,
Thanks for the info. So it looks like my block can not be from a truck because of the J code for the assembly plant & the consecutive unit number does not start with a C.
Does anybody know what other blocks would have had triple cranksaddle webbing in 1968.

 Beware of counterfeits. -- Dave Shoe, 08/09/2004
The stamping can be forged.

By using the "drill bit test", inspecting the distributor pilot hole side in the block, along with cast-in indicators on the rear face of the block, you can pretty much authenticate the casting.

Use the stampings as a guide. If it turns out they match the casting identifiers, then the numbers are logically original.

JMO,
Shoe.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22343&Reply=22343><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>installing a 390 into a 1973 mustang?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bill Fritzel, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>What is my biggest challenge in installing a 390 & C-6 auto into a 1973 Mustang?  I'm using 390 motot mounts out of 67 Galaxie, a lil drilling, what about hood clearance, tranny mounts?  Is this a huge project I'm taking on with my boys?  Thanks  </blockquote> installing a 390 into a 1973 mustang? -- Bill Fritzel, 08/06/2004
What is my biggest challenge in installing a 390 & C-6 auto into a 1973 Mustang? I'm using 390 motot mounts out of 67 Galaxie, a lil drilling, what about hood clearance, tranny mounts? Is this a huge project I'm taking on with my boys? Thanks
 RE: installing a 390 into a 1973 mustang? -- Wayne K., 08/06/2004
My guess is that since FE's weren't put in those chassis you'll have trouble with:

1 Engine/Tranny mounts, like you've said.
2 Headers/Exhaust. No headers for that application, although some "might" fit (who knows).
3 Driveshaft fitment.
4 Radiator hose selection.
5 Keeping the Black Widow spiders away from under the car while each problem is being resolved. :)

Wayne K.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22356&Reply=22343><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: installing a 390 into a 1973 mustang?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bill Fritzel, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>How safe is it to use 3" x 3" square steel "tube" for motor mounts?  I'll use grade 5 & 8 bolts, do I need to have a rubber spacer?, can I use just iron to steel.  How much additional vibration and stress will be put on block? Thanks </blockquote> RE: installing a 390 into a 1973 mustang? -- Bill Fritzel, 08/06/2004
How safe is it to use 3" x 3" square steel "tube" for motor mounts? I'll use grade 5 & 8 bolts, do I need to have a rubber spacer?, can I use just iron to steel. How much additional vibration and stress will be put on block? Thanks
 RE: installing a 390 into a 1973 mustang? -- 390 RANGER, 08/11/2004
IF YOU USE SOLID MOTOR MOUNTS MAKE SURE YOU USE RUBBER TRANY MOUNT OR ELSE YOU WILL WIPE OUT REAR SEAL ON TRANNY. FACTORY FIVE RACING SELLS MOTOR MOUNTS FOR INSTALLING FE'S INTO THERE FOX CHASSIS COBRA MAYBE THEY WOULD WORK, LOOK THEM UP AT THERE WEB SIGHT. WHEN PUTTING AN FE INTO SOMETHING THEY WERE NOT DESIGNED FOR YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CREATIVE AND CRAZY. BUT IF I CAN GET ONE TO FIT IN AN 1983 THERE 2WD RANGER YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIT IT IN A MUSTANG. i THINK YOU PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO RUN LOG MANIFOLDS OR CUSTUM BUILT HEADERS. that will be the biggest problem.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22342&Reply=22342><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Brake distribution block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John C, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 67 Mustang Fastback GT S code with the 390 fe engine and factory disc brakes. What is the purpose of the internal shaft and O ring inside the brake distribution block? The O ring is completly demolished and I do not know a source of replacement for the O ring. Everyone says I must replace the complete block. Any comments? </blockquote> Brake distribution block -- John C, 08/05/2004
I have a 67 Mustang Fastback GT S code with the 390 fe engine and factory disc brakes. What is the purpose of the internal shaft and O ring inside the brake distribution block? The O ring is completly demolished and I do not know a source of replacement for the O ring. Everyone says I must replace the complete block. Any comments?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22344&Reply=22342><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Brake distribution block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Tim, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>is there a switch on the block? normally, if there is a loss of fluid in one half of system(front or rear) it will push the shaft, and trip th brake light... </blockquote> RE: Brake distribution block -- Tim, 08/06/2004
is there a switch on the block? normally, if there is a loss of fluid in one half of system(front or rear) it will push the shaft, and trip th brake light...
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22347&Reply=22342><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Brake distribution block</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John C, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>There is a switch on the block. Do you recon that I can mic. the OD of the internal brass shaft and the ID of the brake distribution block bore and come up with a dimension for a close replacement for an O ring? </blockquote> RE: Brake distribution block -- John C, 08/06/2004
There is a switch on the block. Do you recon that I can mic. the OD of the internal brass shaft and the ID of the brake distribution block bore and come up with a dimension for a close replacement for an O ring?
 RE: Brake distribution block -- Tony P., 08/06/2004
Check this out from a previous post
http://www.fomoco.com/ford-forum-FE/thread.asp?ID=22155
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22338&Reply=22338><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>early 390 pcv question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Painter Wayne, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've got a 64 Thunderbird with the 390 4V, and it has the big, ugly pcv unit on the back of the intake manifold with long, loopy pipe that curls around behind the engine before going into the back of the carb spacer. I'm sure a few of you guys know what I'm talking about. My question is, is there any reason it has to be like that? Would it hurt anything to remove all that mess, make a plate with a grommet and a proper pcv valve to put on the intake manifold, and plumb it straight to the carb spacer like the later engines did when it came out of the valve cover? What was the reasoning behind the huge Rube Goldberg cluster----? Is there some heat issue I should be aware of? Or is this just how they did things before they figured out how to do it right? I guess part of me says if it's not broke, don't fix it, but it looks like hell, and it bugs me. Any advice, gentlemen? </blockquote> early 390 pcv question -- Painter Wayne, 08/05/2004
I've got a 64 Thunderbird with the 390 4V, and it has the big, ugly pcv unit on the back of the intake manifold with long, loopy pipe that curls around behind the engine before going into the back of the carb spacer. I'm sure a few of you guys know what I'm talking about. My question is, is there any reason it has to be like that? Would it hurt anything to remove all that mess, make a plate with a grommet and a proper pcv valve to put on the intake manifold, and plumb it straight to the carb spacer like the later engines did when it came out of the valve cover? What was the reasoning behind the huge Rube Goldberg cluster----? Is there some heat issue I should be aware of? Or is this just how they did things before they figured out how to do it right? I guess part of me says if it's not broke, don't fix it, but it looks like hell, and it bugs me. Any advice, gentlemen?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22339&Reply=22338><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: early 390 pcv question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i,v taken them off and used the newer valve covers with the pvc holes in them and plumed the pvc  in just like you stated worked just fine, the old tube is just a road draft wen going down the road it creates a vackume that drawes the crank case vapers out, i plug them with a frease plug and also the fill tube with a frease plug, and use newer valve covers.  </blockquote> RE: early 390 pcv question -- giacamo, 08/05/2004
i,v taken them off and used the newer valve covers with the pvc holes in them and plumed the pvc in just like you stated worked just fine, the old tube is just a road draft wen going down the road it creates a vackume that drawes the crank case vapers out, i plug them with a frease plug and also the fill tube with a frease plug, and use newer valve covers.
 RE: early 390 pcv question -- Painter Wayne, 08/06/2004
My original valve covers have "thunderbird" stamped in them in big letters, with no holes for anything, and I plan to keep them. Oil fill is in the intake. It does not have a draft tube. It is a PCV set-up, but is different than anything I've seen before. And yes, it is stock. It's just really funky, and I don't like how it looks. I don't know what the reason why the hose needs to be as long and shaped like it is, if there is one, and if I can change it without suffering any problems.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22335&Reply=22335><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry McLarty, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I want to build a max effort 390 for nostalgia drags and some weekend cruising.Have RPM heads with erson rockers,a tri power set up,and also a 428 alunminum P.I. intake.What pistons should i use?Want lite weight and appx10:1 cr.Also need some input on cam selection.I only want to buy these parts once,and I want them to be right.Streetability is a secondary consideration,and money isn"t.I am doing this because I was told a 390 can"t run low 12"s in my 3450 lb lightweight galaxie clone,and I love a challenge. </blockquote> 390 pistons -- Barry McLarty, 08/05/2004
I want to build a max effort 390 for nostalgia drags and some weekend cruising.Have RPM heads with erson rockers,a tri power set up,and also a 428 alunminum P.I. intake.What pistons should i use?Want lite weight and appx10:1 cr.Also need some input on cam selection.I only want to buy these parts once,and I want them to be right.Streetability is a secondary consideration,and money isn"t.I am doing this because I was told a 390 can"t run low 12"s in my 3450 lb lightweight galaxie clone,and I love a challenge.
 RE: 390 pistons -- gene simmons, 08/05/2004
if i was building what u r building i would use ross pistons for a 410 setup- by using a 1u crank or get the crank from scat- then i would go roller either comp or crower / as far as which exact part number i need to look at some more numbers and get back to u/ r u using an automatic what gears will u be using ?
 RE: 390 pistons -- Wayne K., 08/05/2004
Well, a max effort 390 isn't necessarily "max effort" with only 10:1 compression, but Ross makes a nice relatively lightweight set (P/N 99601). These ought to provide 10:1 with your heads. Here's the web site:
http://www.rosspistons.com/items.php?Custom=N&ItemTypeID=33

For "real" max effort you could round up a set of domed pistons (racing gas). I sold a set of no longer produced TRW L2292F 12:1 pistons less than a year ago. I'm sure you can still find them around if you look hard and long enough. Of course Ross or other piston makers could probably whip up a set of 12:1's also.

As a side note, I just happen to have a "how-to" video on building a low 12 second 390 Mustang. The title is: "Mustang, Mild to Wild". It's an older video and may not be available anymore... It's more of a sales pitch for selected parts than anything, but is interesting and does show a few actual 12 second runs of the car.

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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22341&Reply=22335><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>the 12.1 trw domed pistones in a 390 are great for all out racing i use a set it my 390 powerd 1969 390 powerd cyclone i,v pulled low 12,s 4speed 4,56 gears solid lifters cam ,i feal conpresson =horse power for the 390.i never got in the 12,s untill i ran the 12.1 pistones.. </blockquote> RE: 390 pistons -- giacamo, 08/05/2004
the 12.1 trw domed pistones in a 390 are great for all out racing i use a set it my 390 powerd 1969 390 powerd cyclone i,v pulled low 12,s 4speed 4,56 gears solid lifters cam ,i feal conpresson =horse power for the 390.i never got in the 12,s untill i ran the 12.1 pistones..
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22345&Reply=22335><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry McLarty, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I"m using a c6 with a 3800 stall converter and 4:56 detroit locker.Hooker super comp hedders for exhaust.Had a 12:1 428,and I want to avoid the hassle of special fuels again,so compression ratio will be my only compromise in this project.Have a 1u crank,but the goal here is to see how quick i can go with a 30 over390.The c6 has beenbuilt with torrington bearings for low friction and this trans and converter went 11:81 in my CJ Mustang.Thanks for the leads on pistons.Switching from stock piston to12.1 speed pros made my CJ pick up 7/10ths of a second in the quarter mile,so this is a critical area if you want to go faster. </blockquote> RE: 390 pistons -- Barry McLarty, 08/06/2004
I"m using a c6 with a 3800 stall converter and 4:56 detroit locker.Hooker super comp hedders for exhaust.Had a 12:1 428,and I want to avoid the hassle of special fuels again,so compression ratio will be my only compromise in this project.Have a 1u crank,but the goal here is to see how quick i can go with a 30 over390.The c6 has beenbuilt with torrington bearings for low friction and this trans and converter went 11:81 in my CJ Mustang.Thanks for the leads on pistons.Switching from stock piston to12.1 speed pros made my CJ pick up 7/10ths of a second in the quarter mile,so this is a critical area if you want to go faster.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22346&Reply=22335><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry McLarty, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>After looking at the Ross web sight,I am curious about the 410.Has anyone had racing experience with one?Is the torque increased much with the longer stroke?I was always under the impression this was a motor for large luxury cars and not much of a performer.Might be some potential here. </blockquote> RE: 390 pistons -- Barry McLarty, 08/06/2004
After looking at the Ross web sight,I am curious about the 410.Has anyone had racing experience with one?Is the torque increased much with the longer stroke?I was always under the impression this was a motor for large luxury cars and not much of a performer.Might be some potential here.
 RE: 390 pistons -- giacamo, 08/07/2004
hp pistones are a bitch to find for the 410, i like the 390 427 for it,s zero balance aspects,the 428,410 with it,s counter balance setup seams harder on bearings then the zero balance set up, witch i prefor and seam to last longer.my two cents..........
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22393&Reply=22335><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 390 pistons</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>390 ranger, <i>08/11/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i recently put together a .60 over 390 with speed pro flat top pistons and edelbrock heads.  i deck the heads to achieve 10.3 to 1.  i am running the comp cams extreme energy flat tappet hydraulic xe 280.  I also am using total seal gapless rings( gapless on the top ring).  I have not experienced and oil problems that people associate with gapless rings.  power range of cam is 2800 to 6800 I have unfortunately been unable to run it at the track.  evidently  the stock 1983 ranger frame cannot handle the new motors torque.  slight twisting of the frame has forced me to install a cage.  old motor was slightly over stock 390 turned 12.90 at 3000 pounds  </blockquote> RE: 390 pistons -- 390 ranger, 08/11/2004
i recently put together a .60 over 390 with speed pro flat top pistons and edelbrock heads. i deck the heads to achieve 10.3 to 1. i am running the comp cams extreme energy flat tappet hydraulic xe 280. I also am using total seal gapless rings( gapless on the top ring). I have not experienced and oil problems that people associate with gapless rings. power range of cam is 2800 to 6800 I have unfortunately been unable to run it at the track. evidently the stock 1983 ranger frame cannot handle the new motors torque. slight twisting of the frame has forced me to install a cage. old motor was slightly over stock 390 turned 12.90 at 3000 pounds
 RE: 390 pistons -- Barry McLarty, 08/11/2004
Think I"ll stick to 390cid.Thanks giacamo,forgot about the balancing.Do you know the weight of the speed pro pistons?I"m undertaking this madness to make a 428 cj owner I used to race against eat some crow.He thinks the 390 is a great boat anchor,but not for serious performance use.His 68 1/2 stang runs 11:91 at our track,and he says a 390 without power adders can"t come within 5/10ths of his stang.My Galaxie is 3450 lbs with lots of glass parts,and I saw a 67 stang run way down in the 11"s in D/S with a 390,so I am on a mission.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22329&Reply=22329><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Shelby blocks</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Geoff, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>...any references, stories, tales....pls...<br><br>....It's gonna be a solid lifter 428SCJ+ ......all aluminum.....or, it ain't gonna happen....9R02R </blockquote> Shelby blocks -- Geoff, 08/05/2004
...any references, stories, tales....pls...

....It's gonna be a solid lifter 428SCJ+ ......all aluminum.....or, it ain't gonna happen....9R02R
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22330&Reply=22329><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Shelby blocks ...oh, btw</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Geoff, <i>08/05/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>...it's already sick...a Flaming River & 200' of 2nd gear sick...HELP ME!.........I'd really like to hear from someone who actually has used a Shelby block. </blockquote> RE: Shelby blocks ...oh, btw -- Geoff, 08/05/2004
...it's already sick...a Flaming River & 200' of 2nd gear sick...HELP ME!.........I'd really like to hear from someone who actually has used a Shelby block.
 RE: Shelby blocks ...oh, btw -- Gerry Proctor, 08/05/2004
Visit some of the Cobra forums. They are the biggest users of this block. Why stop at 428? You might as well go big if you're building from a Shelby block since that's what they're made for.

And, no, I don't have one of these. My wallet isn't nearly thick enough to even induldge myself in a fantasy about a Shelby block.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22324&Reply=22324><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Noisey Hyd. Lifter</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gareth, <i>08/04/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I seem to be having an intermitant noisy tappet problem on my 69 390 Cougar, it is only the second time it has happened in the 7 months I have owned it.<br>First time was a few months ago after a long run at a constant 70/80mph it soon went quiet after a slower cruise.<br>This time though I was only doing around 50mph for around 3 miles and I could hear one tappet quite loud.<br>I came off the motorway and let it tick over while I sourced the noise and it did not go away, we decied to head home via main roads and within a mile or so it had gone quiet again and stayed quiet.<br>The oil pressure is ok, according to the factory O/P guage is around 20psi hot @ 550rpm<br>Temp is slap bang in the middle and I'm using 15/40 mineral oil.<br>The engine is well maintained and appears to have always had regular oil changes.<br>I'm thinking a lazy tappet, and may use one of the hydrallic lifter cleaners available.<br>Is this problem common to the FE's and am I wasting my money trying a cleaner through it.<br>Thanks in advance  </blockquote> Noisey Hyd. Lifter -- Gareth, 08/04/2004
I seem to be having an intermitant noisy tappet problem on my 69 390 Cougar, it is only the second time it has happened in the 7 months I have owned it.
First time was a few months ago after a long run at a constant 70/80mph it soon went quiet after a slower cruise.
This time though I was only doing around 50mph for around 3 miles and I could hear one tappet quite loud.
I came off the motorway and let it tick over while I sourced the noise and it did not go away, we decied to head home via main roads and within a mile or so it had gone quiet again and stayed quiet.
The oil pressure is ok, according to the factory O/P guage is around 20psi hot @ 550rpm
Temp is slap bang in the middle and I'm using 15/40 mineral oil.
The engine is well maintained and appears to have always had regular oil changes.
I'm thinking a lazy tappet, and may use one of the hydrallic lifter cleaners available.
Is this problem common to the FE's and am I wasting my money trying a cleaner through it.
Thanks in advance
 RE: Noisey Hyd. Lifter -- giacamo, 08/05/2004
i,d check the push rods first a slight bent one will tick some times. depends on wich way it,s pointing, if thay are ok a bad lifter that bleads off to quick may be the problim,,,,,
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=22352&Reply=22324><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Noisey Hyd. Lifter</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>08/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I once rebuilt a hyd lifter 289.....was cheap and didn't want to replace the cam or lifters, so I dismantled the lifters and cleaned them up.  I used 4 different chemicals to soak and then scrub the lifter parts.  I never had a lifter noise before, but they sure were built up with "varnish" after 150K org miles.  I suspect you simply have a sticking lifter.  Nail down which cylinder it is,  remove the intake and take the lifters apart and seriously clean them.  Will cost you only elbow grease, a few gaskets and silicone.  If that doesn't fix it, you may be looking at new lifters....so a better cam might be wise at the same time...hmmm...did I say "wise"?...maybe I meant "fun". </blockquote> RE: Noisey Hyd. Lifter -- John, 08/06/2004
I once rebuilt a hyd lifter 289.....was cheap and didn't want to replace the cam or lifters, so I dismantled the lifters and cleaned them up. I used 4 different chemicals to soak and then scrub the lifter parts. I never had a lifter noise before, but they sure were built up with "varnish" after 150K org miles. I suspect you simply have a sticking lifter. Nail down which cylinder it is, remove the intake and take the lifters apart and seriously clean them. Will cost you only elbow grease, a few gaskets and silicone. If that doesn't fix it, you may be looking at new lifters....so a better cam might be wise at the same time...hmmm...did I say "wise"?...maybe I meant "fun".
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=26032&Reply=22324><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Noisey Hyd. Lifter</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>GREG F, <i>10/23/2005</i></font><br /><blockquote>Ive heard 2 dozen or more  fe engines with a slightly loose spark plug and it been overlooked my times </blockquote> RE: Noisey Hyd. Lifter -- GREG F, 10/23/2005
Ive heard 2 dozen or more fe engines with a slightly loose spark plug and it been overlooked my times
 Loose Spark Plugs? -- John, 10/24/2005
Well, can't say I've "heard" a loose spark plug, but loose plugs doesn't surprise me. Even with my supposedly "thin-wall" sparkplug wrench, it is easy to get the socket jammed between the sparkplug hex and the cylinder head casting. You think the plug is tight, but it isn't really. You have to pull the socket off and put it on again ... not quite so far, and retry.
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