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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21803&Reply=21803><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>air cleaner</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>metraman, <i>06/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i have a 1967 gal.500 390/ 2v. autolite 2100 series. want to increase air flow from stock air cleaner.    what dia. filter, filter height and housing should i buy? do not want to spend alot, just a nice chrome housing. </blockquote> air cleaner -- metraman, 06/12/2004
i have a 1967 gal.500 390/ 2v. autolite 2100 series. want to increase air flow from stock air cleaner. what dia. filter, filter height and housing should i buy? do not want to spend alot, just a nice chrome housing.
 RE: air cleaner -- McQ, 06/17/2004
Okay no one is providing you any suggestions on this one so I'll give you a thought based on what you've said......"not spend alot - chrome housing".

Just go shopping at your local automotive parts store and look for a good old Cal Custom air cleaner. I think they're still hanging on the wall of most national auto parts chains. They look very similar to the '65-'66 HP289/GT390 air cleaners. The chrome is pretty cheap but they work and look just dandy for a daily driver. The lower plate fits the Ford 2V or 4V of '67.
 A moment of silence, please, for the late, great Ralph Moody... -- Mr F, 06/12/2004
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 Manifold Milling -- Phil, 06/11/2004
I've got a SOHC block that has been decked 0.120". According to my calculations I can run the 427 stroker (428 crank) pistons that will give me a zero deck height. My question is how much needs to be milled off of the intake manifold sides, front, and back to match the heads?
 '64 Restore -- Gary, 06/10/2004
I'm in the process of removing the body from the frame of my '64 Ford XL. I have all the body bolts out except the one just behind the rear wheel. Is this a mount or just a bumper, etc.? There is a rubber boot/grommet to the frame right behind the rear tire on each side. I cannot find the bolt through the trunk. I was wondering if this was just a bumper or is there a bolt under it and how do I remove it without damaging the rubber. Thanks!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21770&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>cuzncletus, <i>06/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I've wiped the lobes off two cams from the same manufacturer (name deleted).  I'm building, for the second time, my FE for my 62 Ford.  It's a late 390 w/ SCJ-type webbing and a 428 crank, Edelbrock heads, Ross pistons, and typical other goodies.  I'm switching from hydraulic to solids.  I've restricted the oil flow to the lifters (as per the Christ book) and to the heads via Holley .087 jets as sold as "restrictors" by one of the FE gurus.  Turning the oil pump with a speed wrench there is still plenty of oil coming to the valve train. <br>OK.  Here's the problem.  First cam wipes #5 exhaust lobe during break-in.  Second cam wipes 1 I&E, 2 E, 5 at least E, and 6 E lobes.  Is this an oiling problem or a cam hardening problem.  <br>Would someone with experience with these modifications please respond.  The heads are running stock springs as this is a street motor.  (OK.  I occasionally race it on the street.  50+ years old and I still can't quit doing this.)  The cam was custom ground by the FE guru for this combination.  Help? </blockquote> Help! Keep wiping cams! -- cuzncletus, 06/09/2004
I've wiped the lobes off two cams from the same manufacturer (name deleted). I'm building, for the second time, my FE for my 62 Ford. It's a late 390 w/ SCJ-type webbing and a 428 crank, Edelbrock heads, Ross pistons, and typical other goodies. I'm switching from hydraulic to solids. I've restricted the oil flow to the lifters (as per the Christ book) and to the heads via Holley .087 jets as sold as "restrictors" by one of the FE gurus. Turning the oil pump with a speed wrench there is still plenty of oil coming to the valve train.
OK. Here's the problem. First cam wipes #5 exhaust lobe during break-in. Second cam wipes 1 I&E, 2 E, 5 at least E, and 6 E lobes. Is this an oiling problem or a cam hardening problem.
Would someone with experience with these modifications please respond. The heads are running stock springs as this is a street motor. (OK. I occasionally race it on the street. 50+ years old and I still can't quit doing this.) The cam was custom ground by the FE guru for this combination. Help?
 RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- JIMMY HUFF, 06/10/2004
have you checked the valve springs they could be to strong or coil binding.how are you breaking it in when you fire the motor for the first time.it is very important to break in the cam.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21772&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Unless your dealing with a manufacturing anomaly, such as sub-standard Rockwell hardness on the cam or lifters, your wiping the cam out is likely something you’re doing.  Despite the “Internet truth” floating around regarding a certain cam company, it’s highly unlikely that you’d get two bad cams.  I believe the attribution of quality issues regarding this company is more a matter of the popularity of the brand increasing the likelihood of the finger being pointed in that direction.  So, with that being said, you need to look at the causes from a non-manufacturing perspective.<br><br>Most cams get wiped by not explicitly following the directions of the manufacturer.  Those are using high performance valve springs that don’t allow the lifters to rotate on the cam lobe, not applying sufficient break in moly lube to the cam and lifters, not maintaining a high enough rpm during the break in, and insufficient splash lubrication.  Of course (and I’m sure you’re not doing this) using old lifter on a new cam is a big no-no.<br><br>If your springs are the recommended springs for the cam, they could be too stiff for break in.  Usually, anything over 140lbs seat pressure is going to be a good path to wiping a lobe.  It’s a crap shoot, though, but you have to observe the valve train when the engine fires to ensure that the pushrods are spinning.  If the pushrod isn't spinning, then neither is the lifter.  The cam manufacturer will usually specify if the recommended springs can be used for break in.<br><br>You want to slather as much of the break in lube on the cam lobes and lifter face as you can.  Just a film coating is insufficient.  Too much is just about right.<br><br>The reason all the manufacturer specify the 2,000 to 3,000 rpm for 20 minutes or so is that the cam is lubed only through oil splash from the spinning crank and rods.  Lower rpms and shorter break in times may not sling enough oil onto the lobes during the period where the convex lifter face is becoming friendly with the cam lobe.  There could be an issue with bearing clearances and rod side clearance restricting oil splash but this is such a technical long shot that I wouldn’t even seriously consider it.  Seriously resist the temptation to allow the engine to return to idle during the break in.  Impatience in wanting to hear the lope is an excellent way for the lobe to get wiped.  Also, do not crank the engine over to establish oil pressure.  Prolonged cranking can also be an issue in getting the engine to fire.  This is why it’s critically important that the engine fire and run in as soon as you start cranking.<br><br>It’s possible to ignore all of the recommendations and warnings and still have a successful break in.  It’s done all the time.  But the bigger the cam, the more likely that something will go bad and you’re trying to stack the odds in your favor.<br> </blockquote> RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- Gerry Proctor, 06/10/2004
Unless your dealing with a manufacturing anomaly, such as sub-standard Rockwell hardness on the cam or lifters, your wiping the cam out is likely something you’re doing. Despite the “Internet truth” floating around regarding a certain cam company, it’s highly unlikely that you’d get two bad cams. I believe the attribution of quality issues regarding this company is more a matter of the popularity of the brand increasing the likelihood of the finger being pointed in that direction. So, with that being said, you need to look at the causes from a non-manufacturing perspective.

Most cams get wiped by not explicitly following the directions of the manufacturer. Those are using high performance valve springs that don’t allow the lifters to rotate on the cam lobe, not applying sufficient break in moly lube to the cam and lifters, not maintaining a high enough rpm during the break in, and insufficient splash lubrication. Of course (and I’m sure you’re not doing this) using old lifter on a new cam is a big no-no.

If your springs are the recommended springs for the cam, they could be too stiff for break in. Usually, anything over 140lbs seat pressure is going to be a good path to wiping a lobe. It’s a crap shoot, though, but you have to observe the valve train when the engine fires to ensure that the pushrods are spinning. If the pushrod isn't spinning, then neither is the lifter. The cam manufacturer will usually specify if the recommended springs can be used for break in.

You want to slather as much of the break in lube on the cam lobes and lifter face as you can. Just a film coating is insufficient. Too much is just about right.

The reason all the manufacturer specify the 2,000 to 3,000 rpm for 20 minutes or so is that the cam is lubed only through oil splash from the spinning crank and rods. Lower rpms and shorter break in times may not sling enough oil onto the lobes during the period where the convex lifter face is becoming friendly with the cam lobe. There could be an issue with bearing clearances and rod side clearance restricting oil splash but this is such a technical long shot that I wouldn’t even seriously consider it. Seriously resist the temptation to allow the engine to return to idle during the break in. Impatience in wanting to hear the lope is an excellent way for the lobe to get wiped. Also, do not crank the engine over to establish oil pressure. Prolonged cranking can also be an issue in getting the engine to fire. This is why it’s critically important that the engine fire and run in as soon as you start cranking.

It’s possible to ignore all of the recommendations and warnings and still have a successful break in. It’s done all the time. But the bigger the cam, the more likely that something will go bad and you’re trying to stack the odds in your favor.
 RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- cuzncletus, 06/10/2004
The engine has stock Edelbrock springs. I've changed cams four times including one hydraulic that had within .010 lift with no problems. Lifters were new. Edelbrock says these springs will go past .600 lift with no problems.
The first time I built this motor I put it together myself. Now it is in a shop being built by a long-time Ford mechanic and racer. The cams wiped during the 20 minute break-in. While I haven't watched the asembly, he's built dozens of motors I know of personally with no problems. I'm giving this background because I think we can eleminate the basics.
The first cam to wipe was "broken in" by the manufacturer on a machine where the cam is run in for a period of time under reduced spring pressure. I thought there might have been a mix-up on lifter to lobes during assembly and that was my assessment of the initial loss of the cam; simple assembly error, though the builder swore otherwise. I wanted the second broken in the old fashioned way I'd always done it; fire it and run it over 2000 for 20 minutes. Result? Even more destruction.
Question to Gerry Proctor or others with knowledge and experience with FE's: Could the restriction of oil to the rocker arms (rollers) cause a lack of oil pouring back through the valley and onto the cam? Is this a significant factor in oiling cams? I know restrictors are used routinely in the assembly of FE's. Right now, my mind and the builder's mind are just thrashing about for answers.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21777&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>greg, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>This is c/p from the Lazer cam site:<br><br>"Under pressure from the major Detroit automakers, the engine oil manufacturers have removed the zinc additive from engine oil. The really bad news is that this increases camshaft and follower failure rates enormously during the break-in time. If you can find a zinc additive for engine oil, that helps greatly. GM's EOS break=in lube has been a faithful option, too. I have heard that the Valvoline racing oil that's labled "not for highway use" may still have the zinc in it. Napa has made a commitment to keep this oil in stock.<br><br>There have been no changes in camshaft or follower materials or heat treatment from ANY of us in the racing aftermarket. The increased failure rates are due to the missing zinc in addition to the usual assembly related problems we've been discussing the last thirty years or so. Keeping open spring pressures as low as possible is now more important than ever. "<br><br>(I think STP has a lot of zinc additive in it, you might try adding a quart at your next break in. ) </blockquote> RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- greg, 06/10/2004
This is c/p from the Lazer cam site:

"Under pressure from the major Detroit automakers, the engine oil manufacturers have removed the zinc additive from engine oil. The really bad news is that this increases camshaft and follower failure rates enormously during the break-in time. If you can find a zinc additive for engine oil, that helps greatly. GM's EOS break=in lube has been a faithful option, too. I have heard that the Valvoline racing oil that's labled "not for highway use" may still have the zinc in it. Napa has made a commitment to keep this oil in stock.

There have been no changes in camshaft or follower materials or heat treatment from ANY of us in the racing aftermarket. The increased failure rates are due to the missing zinc in addition to the usual assembly related problems we've been discussing the last thirty years or so. Keeping open spring pressures as low as possible is now more important than ever. "

(I think STP has a lot of zinc additive in it, you might try adding a quart at your next break in. )
 RE: True, but... -- Gerry Proctor, 06/10/2004
Then everyone, including manufacturers using flat tappets, would be wiping cams day in and day out, Greg. I don't doubt that the absence of zinc has a role in many problems people are having but I'm inclined to believe that the absence of the zinc cushion makes following the rules critical for no or fewer problems.

But, in support of what you offer, if I were him I would strongly consider the EOS since whatever he's doing or not doing now clearly isn't working for him.

Also, while I personally do not do the oil restricting thing (I like my valve train and springs to take an oil bath) I don't see that as being behind the failures. While there may not be as much chance oil hitting and being batted by the crank through valley drainback, there's usually more than enough oil coming off the rods to get the job done without it.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21790&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>please try to find the older rocker arm tin that has the drip chutes that runs the oil down by the pushrods i, also like to use the older tin on hydrolic cam engins for this reason also,and with a hi lift cam you may haft to tweak it a littel to keep it from rubbing,,,,,,my 2 cents </blockquote> RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- giacamo, 06/10/2004
please try to find the older rocker arm tin that has the drip chutes that runs the oil down by the pushrods i, also like to use the older tin on hydrolic cam engins for this reason also,and with a hi lift cam you may haft to tweak it a littel to keep it from rubbing,,,,,,my 2 cents
 RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- cuzncletus, 06/11/2004
OK. I'm going to use accumulated knowledge so far on the next cam, obviously fron another manufacturer so we can eliminate this variable. Cam specs that are pertinent on the cams that have wiped are .560 lift at 230/235 duration. I'm going to .571/236 duration both sides. This is almost a duplicate of the Edelbrock Performer RPM in a solid so coil bind shouldn't be a problem. (Edelbrock claims the heads/valves are good to .600 so I'm sure they're throwing in +/- .050 for coil bind. Pistons are Ross flattops w/ valve reliefs.)
Lifters show no signs of blueing so I don't see overheat/galling problems there. Cam shows a wierd wavy pattern of wear on lobes. Engine is filled up with oil that resembles a fine grinding compound. I'm replacing bearings but not rings. I'm cleaning everything. In looking at the block, I don't see where drain in the valley would be a significant factor like in a small block Chevy. (Apology to diehards. I started with Mopars, have and had Chevys, but favor Fords.)
Thanks for the attention. I'm reading and digesting all replies.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21813&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>06/13/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Going back to your first letter, I'd say it is a your "custom FE guru" grinding off the case hardening.  Cam lobes are likely soft underneath, and if his custom grinding cut through this outer "tough" layer, then that explains it.   </blockquote> RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- John, 06/13/2004
Going back to your first letter, I'd say it is a your "custom FE guru" grinding off the case hardening. Cam lobes are likely soft underneath, and if his custom grinding cut through this outer "tough" layer, then that explains it.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21815&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>cuzncletus, <i>06/14/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>My first thought was soft cams, but my understanding is the hardening process is only a couple of hundred/thousandths deep.  All cams are supplied as blanks (Melling?) then ground and hardened by the cam grinder.  Right or wrong? </blockquote> RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- cuzncletus, 06/14/2004
My first thought was soft cams, but my understanding is the hardening process is only a couple of hundred/thousandths deep. All cams are supplied as blanks (Melling?) then ground and hardened by the cam grinder. Right or wrong?
 Cam Hardening -- John, 06/14/2004
Not sure.....but your original letter sounded like you had an "independant" guy re-machine the cam,... he might not be up on all the details of the hardening process. Any reputable cam company, such as Crane, etc, would be I am sure. The hardening would be very thin as the metal is exposed to a chemical bath and heat treatment. Obviously the chemicals dont' penetrate very far. So any maching would remove the hardened outer layer. The subsequent hardening might not be sufficient. The other letter about synthetic oil.....well, that can be true. That's why so many people insist on break-ins with mineral oil, and then switch to synthetic after a 1000 miles or more.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21816&Reply=21770><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help!  Keep wiping cams!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>FairlaneGT428, <i>06/14/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Are you using synthetic oil?  I wiped out all 16 lobes off of a cam last year presumably due to the use of synthetic oil.  If so, make sure you want to make sure that you get out as much residual oil as possible.  Just a thought. </blockquote> RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- FairlaneGT428, 06/14/2004
Are you using synthetic oil? I wiped out all 16 lobes off of a cam last year presumably due to the use of synthetic oil. If so, make sure you want to make sure that you get out as much residual oil as possible. Just a thought.
 RE: Help! Keep wiping cams! -- cuzncletus, 06/14/2004
I've always used 30W non-d during break-in. That's what my builder used, too. I believe in synthetic, but not until after the engine is broken in. I'll wait a couple of thousand miles; many say 5000 miles. Great stuff, though.
The small grinder might not have access to the same hardening processes as the major grinder. My builder has used this small manufacturer's cams many times in the past. Once on a 351 he wiped 2 cams, but never has had any other problems.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21761&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What do they mean by 'obsolete'?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>blinker, <i>06/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>New hot rod magazine has a nice article on a FE buildup, with genesis block, etc, no ford parts.  Anyway, they say the FE was obsolete 40 yrs ago.  Was it any more obsolete that the bb wedge mopars, pontiacs, etc?  Even when the bb chevy's came out, while it may have had a engineering edge in terms of port design /valve placement, it wasn't so advantagous to render all the other BB's obsolete. </blockquote> What do they mean by 'obsolete'? -- blinker, 06/09/2004
New hot rod magazine has a nice article on a FE buildup, with genesis block, etc, no ford parts. Anyway, they say the FE was obsolete 40 yrs ago. Was it any more obsolete that the bb wedge mopars, pontiacs, etc? Even when the bb chevy's came out, while it may have had a engineering edge in terms of port design /valve placement, it wasn't so advantagous to render all the other BB's obsolete.
 RE: What do they mean by 'obsolete'? -- hawkrod, 06/09/2004
they mean ford quit making them. thus there were no new 427 blocks to be had. hawkrod
 RE: 385 series made it obsolete, theoretically. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/09/2004
And there is one part of the engine that is now and will likely always be Ford. The timing chain cover.

I took their statement as a challange.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21768&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>? obsolete 40 years</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>giacamo, <i>06/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>the last i can recall ford stoped fe production in 1976 not 40 years ago, the fe ford moter was way ahead of it,s time in engineering dezines, the rotetating asembly was and still is one of the best in it,s stock configeration.i,v ever ran. take a look at the new moters desines and tell me the Y BLOCK is dead,and obsolete.hot rod may have a few ford bild ups but i feal it should be called cheavy rod..... </blockquote> ? obsolete 40 years -- giacamo, 06/09/2004
the last i can recall ford stoped fe production in 1976 not 40 years ago, the fe ford moter was way ahead of it,s time in engineering dezines, the rotetating asembly was and still is one of the best in it,s stock configeration.i,v ever ran. take a look at the new moters desines and tell me the Y BLOCK is dead,and obsolete.hot rod may have a few ford bild ups but i feal it should be called cheavy rod.....
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21775&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: ? obsolete 40 years</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry R, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I'll anwer these - - its my motor in the article!<br><br>I think some guys are being a little overly sensitive.  Hot Rod liked the big FE enough to cover it in a 6 page color article.  How often do you ever see an article on a 409 Chevy, a 421 Pontiac, a flathead, or a 455 Buick?  We're getting ink and that is great.  If we want more FEs in the big books we should be thanking them for the coverage - not working overtime to find nits to pick at.<br><br>And yeah - the FE has only been out of production for 28 years - not 40.  That is still a really long time.  The obsolete comments are a "was" - the new block is the focal point of the article, the message is that the FE is back!  I quote page 128 - "Long live the FE!"<br><br>The Y block design is well proven, but the FE we love did not originate that configuration.  The cross bolts are also found in those damned Hemis.  It just took the kids a long time to learn how good these things were back in the day.<br><br>The only Ford parts on my engine are the timing cover, the two rocker covers, the cam thrust plate, and the balancer spacer.  Shelby sells a timing cover, Pioneer sells the thrust plate, DSC does the spacer, and everybody on earth does rocker covers.  If it meant anything to me I could easily have an entirely non-Ford assembly.<br><br>Thanks Guys!<br> </blockquote> RE: ? obsolete 40 years -- Barry R, 06/10/2004
I'll anwer these - - its my motor in the article!

I think some guys are being a little overly sensitive. Hot Rod liked the big FE enough to cover it in a 6 page color article. How often do you ever see an article on a 409 Chevy, a 421 Pontiac, a flathead, or a 455 Buick? We're getting ink and that is great. If we want more FEs in the big books we should be thanking them for the coverage - not working overtime to find nits to pick at.

And yeah - the FE has only been out of production for 28 years - not 40. That is still a really long time. The obsolete comments are a "was" - the new block is the focal point of the article, the message is that the FE is back! I quote page 128 - "Long live the FE!"

The Y block design is well proven, but the FE we love did not originate that configuration. The cross bolts are also found in those damned Hemis. It just took the kids a long time to learn how good these things were back in the day.

The only Ford parts on my engine are the timing cover, the two rocker covers, the cam thrust plate, and the balancer spacer. Shelby sells a timing cover, Pioneer sells the thrust plate, DSC does the spacer, and everybody on earth does rocker covers. If it meant anything to me I could easily have an entirely non-Ford assembly.

Thanks Guys!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21778&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: ? obsolete 40 years</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>It was an extraordinary story, Barry.  I'm please whenever they do builds on "obsolete" engines of any type.<br><br>Congratulations on your horsepressure achievement.<br><br>By the way, were there any special machining considerations in putting the 427 valves in the heads? </blockquote> RE: ? obsolete 40 years -- Gerry Proctor, 06/10/2004
It was an extraordinary story, Barry. I'm please whenever they do builds on "obsolete" engines of any type.

Congratulations on your horsepressure achievement.

By the way, were there any special machining considerations in putting the 427 valves in the heads?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21779&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: ? obsolete 40 years</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry_R, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Gerry,<br>We started out with 2.25 and 1.75 valves sourced from Ferrea.  We ended trimming the intakes to 2.20 to make them fit.  Also of note was that we installed new guides to allow us to run 11/32 stems instead of the original 3/8. </blockquote> RE: ? obsolete 40 years -- Barry_R, 06/10/2004
Gerry,
We started out with 2.25 and 1.75 valves sourced from Ferrea. We ended trimming the intakes to 2.20 to make them fit. Also of note was that we installed new guides to allow us to run 11/32 stems instead of the original 3/8.
 RE: Thanks, Barry. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/10/2004
I noticed what appeared to be a steel sleeve riding in the bronze guide, which is how I assumed you did the stem diameter reduction.

I kind of figured that when they were referring to the TRW connection on the pistons that it was you.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21787&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Excellent Article!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>McQ, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Just adding my .02 - HR's article on Barry's engine is outstanding!  I remember reading a few weeks back on this forum about the actual on strip performance of this engine in the '69 Torino/Fairlane "formal roof".  Barry indicated that there'd be an article(s) in HR.  I was looking forward to a feature and was definitely impressed with the spread I saw yesterday.  Also that there will be a follow up of that on-strip performance mentioned.  That may be next month?<br><br>To sum it up, the newstand price paid for good old Hot Rod was money well spent.  I doubt that I'll ever subscribe to HR again.  I did for many years but it got easy to read too quickly.  I prefer Mustangs & Fords now but when HR does articles like this....I'll peel a few out of the wallet.<br><br>Can't wait for the pics-story on your '69 Formal roof.<br><br>Okay - one nit pick, what do they mean that now any Torino with a factory 390 is worth owning? Any big block Ford unibody car was always worth owning!!     </blockquote> RE:Excellent Article! -- McQ, 06/10/2004
Just adding my .02 - HR's article on Barry's engine is outstanding! I remember reading a few weeks back on this forum about the actual on strip performance of this engine in the '69 Torino/Fairlane "formal roof". Barry indicated that there'd be an article(s) in HR. I was looking forward to a feature and was definitely impressed with the spread I saw yesterday. Also that there will be a follow up of that on-strip performance mentioned. That may be next month?

To sum it up, the newstand price paid for good old Hot Rod was money well spent. I doubt that I'll ever subscribe to HR again. I did for many years but it got easy to read too quickly. I prefer Mustangs & Fords now but when HR does articles like this....I'll peel a few out of the wallet.

Can't wait for the pics-story on your '69 Formal roof.

Okay - one nit pick, what do they mean that now any Torino with a factory 390 is worth owning? Any big block Ford unibody car was always worth owning!!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21788&Reply=21761><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE:Excellent Article!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry_R, <i>06/10/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Well - - as the owner of what was a 390 powered ATorino (actually three of 'em), I'd say the difference is that nearly 700 horses make them a LOT more fun to drive! </blockquote> RE:Excellent Article! -- Barry_R, 06/10/2004
Well - - as the owner of what was a 390 powered ATorino (actually three of 'em), I'd say the difference is that nearly 700 horses make them a LOT more fun to drive!
 RE:Excellent Article! -- blinker, 06/10/2004
Congrats, Barry. If it weren't for you, the FE would not have had the current press.
It's just that I have seen many articles referring to the FE as outdated, obsolete etc, as I never see other motors from the same era described as such.
The FE must have a lot of merits, as a lot of people are going through a lot of trouble and expense to revive it.
I was hoping Shelby would get a crack at the new ford GT(40), and he could install one of his aluminum 427's in place of the supercharged motor.
 Strictly speaking, 'obsolete' means 'not in current production'. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/10/2004
n/m
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21752&Reply=21752><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>'64 Ford Part Identifications</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gary, <i>06/07/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Could anyone please tell me the type of manual transmission and Rug A 010600 is for gearing?<br><br>Secondly, the rear end is a BT-BU2                3 00 4DB101.  What spline is this?<br><br>The engine was supposed to be a 390.  When I pressured washed off the block, the numbers I see are 06ME 352.  What does this mean?  The heads are C4AE 60900.  <br><br>Can anyone help me.  Thanks! </blockquote> '64 Ford Part Identifications -- Gary, 06/07/2004
Could anyone please tell me the type of manual transmission and Rug A 010600 is for gearing?

Secondly, the rear end is a BT-BU2 3 00 4DB101. What spline is this?

The engine was supposed to be a 390. When I pressured washed off the block, the numbers I see are 06ME 352. What does this mean? The heads are C4AE 60900.

Can anyone help me. Thanks!
 'RUG-A' = 1967 390, Full-size Ford or Mercury; wide ratio.[n/m] -- Mr F, 06/08/2004
n/m
 'WBT-BU' = 1963-1964 Full-size; 3.00:1 open, 28-spline. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/08/2004
n/m
 RE: '64 Ford Part Identifications -- gary, 06/09/2004
thank you
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21751&Reply=21751><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>joe, <i>06/07/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I had a question about a used aluminum fuel cell.  I was told I should clean it out by unscrewing the fill and taking out the foam pieces that keep the gas from sloshing around.  My question is what should I used to clean that with.  Miniral spirits,  water (then let it sun dry),  or fresh gas.  Thanks for any suggestions. </blockquote> What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell? -- joe, 06/07/2004
I had a question about a used aluminum fuel cell. I was told I should clean it out by unscrewing the fill and taking out the foam pieces that keep the gas from sloshing around. My question is what should I used to clean that with. Miniral spirits, water (then let it sun dry), or fresh gas. Thanks for any suggestions.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21800&Reply=21751><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>06/12/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Remove the foam and the drain plug and flush it out with water and allow to dry. Do the same for the foam. </blockquote> RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell? -- Bob, 06/12/2004
Remove the foam and the drain plug and flush it out with water and allow to dry. Do the same for the foam.
 RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell? -- Dusty, 06/12/2004
water isn't really a good idea because the tank is probly metal and it won't break down any thing. kerosene would be a good choice. or even laquer thinner depending on if its real dirty. oh, if you do use any of these rinse it out with gas to remove anything left
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21807&Reply=21751><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>06/13/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Fuel cells are not metal and water will clean them without rusting. </blockquote> RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell? -- Bob, 06/13/2004
Fuel cells are not metal and water will clean them without rusting.
 RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell? -- giacamo, 06/13/2004
i,v even used water to clean out metal tanks just let them dry out in the sun and roll them from time to time so thay totaly dry out.it,s alot cheaper than any thing elseto clean with........
 RE: What do I use to clean out a used fuel cell? -- Bob, 06/13/2004
Sorry I just notieced that Joe said aluminum fuel cell. Water does work on the foam and the air dry.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21745&Reply=21745><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>i need help!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>araceli, <i>06/07/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>ok im doing this project for school and i need to know how many miles per gallon does a 67 ford mustang get and ive been looking all over and i cant find it so any other mustang would do can anyone help me?<br><br><br>if not mustang any other car <br><br>please email me at innocence1027@yahoo.com or lacrazychela14@hotmail.com </blockquote> i need help! -- araceli, 06/07/2004
ok im doing this project for school and i need to know how many miles per gallon does a 67 ford mustang get and ive been looking all over and i cant find it so any other mustang would do can anyone help me?


if not mustang any other car

please email me at innocence1027@yahoo.com or lacrazychela14@hotmail.com
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21746&Reply=21745><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>ranges:  12mpg for stock 428 up to 22mpg for I-6</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Walker, <i>06/07/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Factory stock engines.<br>Any mods could, and probably did, decrease the mpg.<br><br><br>HTH<br> </blockquote> ranges: 12mpg for stock 428 up to 22mpg for I-6 -- Walker, 06/07/2004
Factory stock engines.
Any mods could, and probably did, decrease the mpg.


HTH
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21758&Reply=21745><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>That would be right for a 428CJ.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dave Shoe, <i>06/08/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>If you used a plain 428 out of a TBird or station wagon and also 3.00:1 gears or the more common 2.75:1 gears, a 428 could offfer closer to 16 mpg.<br><br>JMO,<br>Shoe. </blockquote> That would be right for a 428CJ. -- Dave Shoe, 06/08/2004
If you used a plain 428 out of a TBird or station wagon and also 3.00:1 gears or the more common 2.75:1 gears, a 428 could offfer closer to 16 mpg.

JMO,
Shoe.
 nothing about whether 428's were available in 67? -- Walker, 06/08/2004
The range is 12-22 mpg, which includes 16 mpg. Sticks probably got better mileage than automatics back then too.

Need a lot more specifics.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21734&Reply=21734><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Help Identifying possible 428 parts</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Anthony, <i>06/06/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote><br>I have a long list of ford part #'s that are supposedly 428 Cobrajet parts. I would appreciate some help identifying the following:<br><br>Crankshaft: 1U with a "A" under the 1U, has a 11 on one end of the front counterbalance and a 12 on the other end of the same balance.<br><br>Heads: C4AE one has 8090G, the other 6090G next to the C4AE.<br><br>Two sets of rods: one set is C7AE-B<br>the others are C6AE-E<br>C6AE-E rods have C8AX-6110C pistons attached.<br><br>Intake: C7AE9425F (aluminum)<br><br>Flywheel: C80E-A<br><br>The Block: 9B26. "C" in rear of casting, 352 on back & front. "E" on casting also.<br><br>Exhaust manifolds: C80E8431B & C80E8430D<br><br>Another block has 66-427 and the "C" in the rear casting with a 9D10.<br><br>Also, a "whats it worth" for a set of 428 Cast Aluminum cobrajet valve covers, and a set of original Shelby valve covers with the Shelby American stamping on the inside.<br><br>Thanks in advance!!<br>Anthony <br> </blockquote> Help Identifying possible 428 parts -- Anthony, 06/06/2004

I have a long list of ford part #'s that are supposedly 428 Cobrajet parts. I would appreciate some help identifying the following:

Crankshaft: 1U with a "A" under the 1U, has a 11 on one end of the front counterbalance and a 12 on the other end of the same balance.

Heads: C4AE one has 8090G, the other 6090G next to the C4AE.

Two sets of rods: one set is C7AE-B
the others are C6AE-E
C6AE-E rods have C8AX-6110C pistons attached.

Intake: C7AE9425F (aluminum)

Flywheel: C80E-A

The Block: 9B26. "C" in rear of casting, 352 on back & front. "E" on casting also.

Exhaust manifolds: C80E8431B & C80E8430D

Another block has 66-427 and the "C" in the rear casting with a 9D10.

Also, a "whats it worth" for a set of 428 Cast Aluminum cobrajet valve covers, and a set of original Shelby valve covers with the Shelby American stamping on the inside.

Thanks in advance!!
Anthony
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21765&Reply=21734><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Help Identifying possible 428 parts</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Greg, <i>06/09/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>  The crank is CJ, the heads are not.  Rods could be, intake is not cj it's PI. Block is most likely cj. Ex. manifolds are not cj with those numbers, would be 9431/9430.<br> Tell me more about the valve covers.<br>   Greg<br><br> </blockquote> RE: Help Identifying possible 428 parts -- Greg, 06/09/2004
The crank is CJ, the heads are not. Rods could be, intake is not cj it's PI. Block is most likely cj. Ex. manifolds are not cj with those numbers, would be 9431/9430.
Tell me more about the valve covers.
Greg

  missed the crank. -- Greg, 06/09/2004
The 1UA crank were for scj's.
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