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| Oil consuming 428 ?'s -- Robbie Musick, 06/15/2003
I have a fresh 030 over 8V 428 PI in my car and it has about 700 miles on it ,,I just took it on a 200+ mile one way trip car turns 3250rpm at 70MPH,,Anyways it has used almost 4 quarts of oil,,engine shop says it isn't broke in yet,,Do I need to find a new FE shop??Where do you look in missouri south off KC area if so, I have been running 20-50 valvoline racing oil and has good oil pressure,, cylinder wall to piston clearance is 006 ,,This shop does super work on small blocks but ?Do I wait more or pull it?? |
| | RE: Oil consuming 428 ?'s -- James, 06/16/2003
My 428 is thirsty too. The valve guide clearence is one place to start looking. Which heads and which valves did you use? Some valves right out of the box are clearenced wrong especially the cheap ones even if they are stainless. A shop will lead you to believe that they check everything but they do not always do it. Out of the box and on the engine! Then you get a phone call telling you to come pick it up. Out goes their hand for the money and they will tell you anything to get rid of you. That is why picking the right machine shop is so critical. I have caught machine shops lying so many times it isn't funny. One time a machinist broke down and told me that he just didn't know much about the Ford product after tracing a problem back to his work. I thought...does that excuse you from doing your darn homework? Anyway....If you have new valves and new valve guides that are correctly clearenced then you may have a broken oil ring. A leak down test is a good start but might not tell you if you have a broken oil ring. It will only tell you that the compression rings are good but still...its a good start.
Four quarts of oil in 200 miles is a sign of trouble. Pull the plugs and keep them in order to see which cylinder is doing what. One good way to do this is to take something like a shoe box and poke holes in the top just big enough to firmly hold a spark plug turned upside down for inspection purposes. Number the holes and mark an "F" for front at one end as another visual que meaning the front of engine.
Just because the car is not smoking doesn't mean that it is not burning the oil. Four quarts in 200 miles will show up on the plugs.
Which oil pump did you use and did you restrict the oil feed holes in the heads like us FE fans have been taught to do all our lives? |
| | RE: Oil consuming 428 ?'s -- steve, 06/16/2003
To me 20-50w oil in a pretty new engine seems to be a bit too thick to let the motor break in correctly.I would never use 20-50 myself unless the engine had either quite a bit of mileage or I lived in a very hot climate.Just my .02. |
| | RE: Oil consuming 428 ?'s -- Geoff McNew, 06/17/2003
James had all very good suggestions. If a guide or seal is leaking, it'd tend to smoke visibly and the particular plug will tell. I'd just add that your piston to wall clearance is a tad high (about 2x) and if you've got low tension rings, and/or are not gapped & oriented properly, that can add to a potential blow-by problem... 428's need good crankcase venting and a windage tray at a minimum...both are critical. |
| | RE: update,Oil consuming 428 ?'s -- Robbie Musick, 06/18/2003
leak down was 24% and the plugs where lets say "oil drippy yuck"Compression going past the exh valves,they had so much oil carbon on them they weren't seating completely, the O-ring seals are being replaced by a set of TOAKS(sp?)Guides are fine, Hope this fixes it |
| Identify this pulley please -- Anthony, 06/13/2003
Crankshaft pulley # C5AE-D What year and application is this for? Thanks, Anthony |
| | 1965-67 352, 390, 428 A/C & T/E; 1967 TBird P/S exc. T/E. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/13/2003
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| | | uh, can't fit a 67 and a 68, they have differnt... -- hawkrod, 06/13/2003
the bolt patterns are different from 67 to 68 on the balancer. its a typo in the parts book it fits up to 67 only. hawkrod |
| | | | Good catch, Tom. I'll edit my response. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/14/2003
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| | | Question for Mr F- long... -- Anthony, 06/16/2003
Pardon my ignorance, but what is T/E?
Also, can this pulley be used on a 67 390 Mustang with p/s and air? I have had the pulley mounted already so I know it fits, but what is the difference in the Mustang application?
One last thing- belt routing. Right now I have a 2 groove on the Harmonic and on the water pump. Alternator runs over the alt, wp, main. P/s runs over p/s, wp, main. Future a/c will be main, idler, a/c. Is this correct, and if not, what is?
Thanks, Anthony |
| | | | 'T/E' = 'Thermactor Emission (Controls)'. More on the rest, later. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/17/2003
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| Flywheels for a 390 -- Ian D.., 06/11/2003
I need a new flywheel for my 390.
Its gonna be used in a 69 Mustang, Street/strip kind of car, and I have absolutly no idea weather to get a light one or a heavy one, can someone show me the light :) |
| | RE: Flywheels for a 390 -- Gerry Proctor, 06/11/2003
The general rule is 10lbs of flywheel weight for every 1,000 lbs vechicle weight so 3,500lb car = 35lb flywheel.
But it can depend on how you'll use the car and if this is, as you wrote, a street/strip car you'll want to avoid the lighter flywheels and stick pretty close to the rule. Light flywheels allow the engine to rev very fast but they don't store a lot of energy and you need energy to accelerate mass from a standing stop. This means that the car can be difficult to launch and to recover following a shift. The more CI you engine has and the more torque it makes can overcome this lack of stored energy but you'll need to be over the 500ci level to even consider aluminum flywheels.
Lightweight flywheels are great for road race and circle track cars where 60 foot times mean virtually nothing and acceleration off the corner means everything. |
| | | RE: Flywheels for a 390 -- Charlie, 06/11/2003
Hays Clutches HAY-12-240 Ford: 1965-1972 352, 390, 427, 428, 429, and 460, 184-tooth, internally balanced, flywheel Ford: 1965-1972 352, 390, 427, 428, 429, and 460, 184-tooth, internally balanced, flywheel
This Hays billet steel flywheel for your manual transmission is heavier in weight, 40 lbs., to help improve acceleration and enhance torque. It features an internal balance design with 184 teeth
I've run 3 of these and they work great. Summit jegs napa, auto zone, any one can order them. Price is $300 avg, but you don't have to worry about removing a foot if something goes wrong. Charlie |
| Truck FE kickdown spring location -- Eric, 06/10/2003
My '66 F100 seems to be missing the spring that holds the weight of the kick-down off of the lever. It looks like gravity would pull the with out a spring but I can't see where one would go. Any help, oh FE band-O-Brothers? Eric '66F100, 68 GT/CS, 64.5 vert, '65 Twin Turbo fastback, '90 LX vert and other variuos coupes. |
| How good is the 390GT .... ? -- ERIC, 06/09/2003
....Performance, durability wise ??
How well does this engine respond to Performance Mods ??
I'm in the process of aquiring a 67 Cougar XR7-GT w/390/C6! :D
-ERIC |
| edelbrock tripower intake?? -- dennie, 06/09/2003
Has anyone ever used an edelbrock f380 intake? I'm ordering carbs for mine this week and just wonder how this intake rates. I know I could get better performance but gotta love the tripower look. |
| progressive linkage -- scott, 06/07/2003
i just about have my induction setup complete (i think). ive got a lowriser dual quad manifold , a pair of 4160 holley 600's, and my linkage. im still not understanding how the linkage works the 2 carbs so that only the primary carb kicks in first but both carbs reach full throttle at the same time. do i need to get certain throttle shafts for the carbs? also im not sure what to do about my kickdown linkage. are there any more parts i need to make this setup happen? if so where can i find them? thanks for any help. |
| | RE: progressive linkage -- dennie, 06/08/2003
try vintagespeed.com he has best multi-carb website parts for sale i've seen has alot of linkage for sale. I'm ordering my 3 deuces from him next payday. |
| 427 dual point, -- Robert Peak, 06/06/2003
I am looking for an exploded view of the dual point distributor, I have a box of parts that has enough parts to complete one, problem is it also has some standard parts mixed in as well, basically need to know which cam assembly and which weights and springs are the right ones. I have two cam assemblies which I'll try to describe; one is just a solid bar with two slots, the other has ends that have two notches with the advance numbers stamped in them, anyone?Thanks Robert |
| c-6 problems -- 67stang, 06/05/2003
67 GTA, fresh built 390, major upgrade in HP, installed a transpak in trans for better shifting, everything seemed ok for a day or so, then noticed slipping in 2-3 shift, 3rd gear came quickly after 2nd gear shift, took car out tonight for a good sprint, now seems to be slipping badly between 1-2 shift, car has 60000 miles on it, the trans fluid still smells ok and is full, but under heavy acceleration it slipps bad between gears, i did not have any parts left over from the valvebody upgrade and followed instructions to a T, i have done a few transpaks and this one seemed no different, does it sound like a valve body problem or is the tranny actually starting to go bad, any help appreciated |
| | follow up on trans problem -- 67stang, 06/06/2003
pulled the vacume line form the modulator, got fluid out of it, almost smelt like gasoline, would this cause the problem described in my other post of a slipping trans, it stacks the 2-2 shift but just started slipping pretty badly in 1-2 shift, at least what feels like slippage, engine revs between shifts and takes to long to shift...
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| | | RE: follow up on trans problem -- Louie, 06/06/2003
Yes. The diaphram in the modulator is cracked and you are losing fluid pressure because of it. |
| | | | RE: follow up on trans problem -- 67stang, 06/07/2003
put in new modualtor and same problem, when i have the modulator vacume disconnected and shift manually it is fine and shifts good and hard, when i re hook up vacume it act as if it is slipping more promenant in 2-3 shift but 1-2 shift also mushy... |
| | | | | RE: follow up on trans problem -- Louie, 06/09/2003
With the vacuum connected, does it still shift ok manually? |
| | | | | | RE: follow up on trans problem -- 67stang, 06/10/2003
no, with vacumme hooked up, it slipps badly between 2-3 shift, and mushy 1-2 shift |
| | | | | | | Sure sounds like low line pressure. -- Larry, 06/10/2003
Take it to a local transmission shop and have them to check it. |
| harmonic balancer's and flexplate -- Chad, 06/04/2003
The 428 I'm building up was a marine engine, and down the road it will be going in my 76 f- 150 Where can I find quality Harmonic Balancer's and a Flexplate for a C6 tranny Also this engine will have a superdupper :) balance job done to it. How many teeth did a flexplate come with for a FE and C6. Thank's. |
| | RE: harmonic balancer's and flexplate -- Charlie, 06/05/2003
184 after 1966? Charlie |
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