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| 390 cam Selection -- Mike Soukup, 05/28/2003
I am currently rebuilding my 390 for a 67 fastback. Modifications include Edelbrock RPM heads and intake TCI Break-a-away converter and trans. I have picked a camshaft but I am having doubts on wether it will work with this combo. The cam is a Crane Power max cam 272-2( 272/284 533/563) do you think this will be a good driver or a dog? I am looking for a good street performer.The block has stock comp ratio pistons, and bore |
| | I think it is a good choice. -- Royce Peterson, 05/28/2003
It will have a frisky idle butthe converter will allow good street manners, I like that cam a lot. Should be a good combination. Be sure to check valve to piston clearance, it will be in need of some cutting on the intake side I predict due to the larger diameter valves and on the exhaust due to the longer duration and higher lift.
Royce |
| | RE: 390 cam Selection -- 390ranger, 05/28/2003
if that has a 112 lobe center it will have a good lumpy idle with good vacuum for accessories. however if the lobe center is tighter like 110 or 108 it will be really lopy. the 50 off numbers are probable 224/236 which is very streetable. and the lift should not be a problem. 5500 rpm is probably the tops for it on the rpm scale. after all of that i think you will like it |
| | | Lobe center is 114. It's got lots of vacuum. N/M -- Royce Peterson, 05/29/2003
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| | RE: I'm using the HMV 278-2NC in my 390. -- Gerry Proctor, 05/29/2003
Similar combination...Edelbrock heads, RPM intake, headers...
The 278-2 is a bit larger in lift and duration than your 272-2 selection. My idle is fairly smooth, vacuum is 13" hg, power is soft until around 3k rpm and then "hold on." Pulls hard to the rev limiter at 6k rpm. The wide lobe centers really favor the higher rpm breathing characteristics of the Edelbrock heads and my 3.89 gear. Whether you'll be happy with that cam depends on how you use the car and what your rear ratio is.
The lobe separation angles have a lot to do with how a cam will work for you. I think you're very safe with that selection. It's a fairly mild grind with good street manners. It doesn't have the punch of a cam with 110 degree or less separation but you get good idle and vacuum. I would call it a stealth cam. |
| 2 "Glowing Rd Hot" Exhaust Pipes ? -- Greg, 05/28/2003
Hello,
I have a 66 Mustang with a 289 and I have a weird scenerio of 2 header pipes glowing red hot (2 pipes only. The back 2 header pipes on the passenger side).
So...I took the head off and took the valves out and checked them over. None of them were bent and they are all seating nicely. I cleaned them up with steel wool and put the head back together.
I reassembled the engine and fired it up. I have to admit, it idles nicely and I cleaned the head surface and the manifold surfaces with a razorblade and it has a nice vacuum seal. As I said, it idles and drives nicely.
So I did the check at night just to make sure the 2 exhaust pipes aren't glowing red hot anymore and there they were.....glowing red hot at idle while all of the other exhaust pipes are normal.
What a dissapointment !
I know the old manifold and carb engines aren't as tunned as the new fuel injection engines and some cylinders will run leaner then others and some will be rich, but this is very weird and I am worried about it. They shouldn't be glowing that red hot.
So, what do I do next? Could it be the carb?
I guess I could run it for a while and then try to read the spark plugs in those 2 cylinders. Last time I looked they were a little rich, but I might have had the carb opened up too much. I've closed the secondaries and put the idle back to the way it was.
I also don't have $500. to just chuck a new carb on the engine.
Any ideas?
Thanks, Greg |
| | I suspect two pipes are close together. -- Dave Shoe, 05/28/2003
Your description is normal for two pipes which are located close together.
If pipes are close, they cannot radiate heat as well as widely separated pipes. Also, the rear corner is likely shrouded from fan convection and higher temps will be the result.
What you've got sounds like it may be a normal function header pipe cooling, and not a result of combustion imbalance. I suspect all is normal.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=74182&messageid=1034405069
Just guessing, Shoe. |
| | | RE: I suspect two pipes are close together. -- Anthony, 05/28/2003
Man, I feel the heat on my face just looking at that pic!! |
| | | RE: I suspect two pipes are close together. -- Greg, 05/28/2003
I thought about that but they are both cherry red hot while other pipes are not. Even the pipes at the back on the other side are not glowing. I have a feeling that this is going to be a fun one.
Greg. |
| | | | They use completely different carburetor circuits. -- Dave Shoe, 05/28/2003
Since you likely run a dual plane intake with your 289, the neighboring cylinders in back will be on a different manifold plane, and will therefore use separate halves of the carburetor.
The main fomoco.com forum may have some small block folk who are more familiar with this phenomenon, reference:
http://www.fomoco.com/forummain/
Presently, I suspect there is more fanblade flow going toward the steering box side than the passenger side.
It sounds like a fun issue to track down, since it is running good. I'd sure like to try tinkering with your car (getting a little road time in, naturally).
Any chance somebody replaced the rear two tubes with thinwall pipe?
Shoe. |
| Camshaft removal -- Scott, 05/28/2003
Once the thrust plate and spacer is removed how do i pull the camshaft out?
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| "VU" Cam 69-70 428cj ? -- pop428, 05/28/2003
According to the MPC this is a cam is for a 69-70 Cobra jet. I'm wanting to know what the cam spec are? I pulled this from my reconditioned 428 Cj motor that the P/O reco'd just before he sold the car to me. I pulled down the engine recently to make sure the P/O did a good job(No complaint, He did) And to my happy surprise i found the NOS CAM.....I would like to know the spec so i can decide whether to run this or step up to a solid lifter cam? Thanks Peter....:)
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| mounts for 390 in 68 coupe -- danny, 05/28/2003
what mounts do i need to use |
| | RE: mounts for 390 in 68 coupe -- Charlie, 05/29/2003
New frame mounts, engine and isolater. More if you have a 4 spd car as all the clutch pieces are different as well. You can pick up the engine side of the mounts on http://fomoco.com but I'm not sure if Mr. F has the frame mounts you'd have to ask him. Charlie
I'm assuming you are changing small block to big block? |
| steering box flex coupling -- kenny brown, 05/27/2003
anyone out there know where I can find a steering box flex coupling for a 68 gt 390 and power steering. |
| | Does the car have conventional or 'tilt'-type steering column? [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/27/2003
n/m |
| | RE: steering box flex coupling -- kenny brown, 05/28/2003
the car has tilt wheel |
| | RE: steering box flex coupling -- Geoff McNew, 05/29/2003
"Rag joint"....$19.95 from Mustangs Unlimited |
| cracked 428cj block,can it be fixed? -- dan, 05/27/2003
i have a nice 428 cj block that has a crack on both sides of #2 main bolt.the crack runs down along side of 1 mian bolt hole on front and back of bulkhead.only goes about 3/4 of the way down.can this be welded or is it not worth the trouble. |
| | RE: cracked 428cj block,can it be fixed? -- Charlie, 05/29/2003
You'd have to post a good pic for any one to respond well to that question. Best bet is take it to the machine shop and see. I've seen a couple of major repairs done, but some how loose faith in durability. Charlie |
| | You'll have to ask a specialty iron welding shop. -- Dave Shoe, 05/29/2003
I've always worried about repairing cast iron cylinder blocks, but am slowly learning that most FE block failures are repairable.
Most critical in the repair is the selection of the proper shop to do the repair. I can recommend Crow Custom Cast Welding in Hudson, Wisconsin. A local 427 FE race engine builder uses them to do all kinds of radical repairs to 427 blocks. All blocks return to racing service with excellent results. Other FErs have found this same shop and report top notch results. I'm unaware of other shops, but there are likely a dozen or so around the country that can do the job right, though perhaps none have more current FE experience than Crow Custom.
Again, the technology is over my head. I only know that if you improperly weld cast iron, the graphite converts to carbide and the block becomes unworkable. You will want to call this shop to learn whether the repair is practical. Shipping may be a stumbling point, as you either need a freight contract with a trucking firm, or you need to be near a www.forwardair.com terminal, if you want to ship the block for less than $500.00 round trip (keeping one way trips well under a hundred bucks is the goal). Trucking firms are not cost-friendly to the uninitiated, as 70% discounts are fairly customary when you have connections.
Here's a post which discusses the topic a bit more: http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=74182&messageid=1051981838
Shoe. |
| | RE: cracked 428cj block,can it be fixed? -- Geoff McNew, 05/29/2003
Saw an episode of 2-Guys Garage a while back and they had a fella weld repair an iron block for them using 99%+ Nickle stick & NO preheat....took 5 minutes. But Shoe knows his metalurgy. Also, this falls into the "art & magic" category; i.e., Sam Memmolo wouldn't attempt the weld himself...they had this cat do it for them. I'd talk to Crow. |
| | | RE: cracked 428cj block,can it be fixed? -- dan, 05/29/2003
it wouldnt be worth shipping it to fix.if there is someone in souther cal that has experiance in this i would consider that for sure.thanks for all the advice,if i have welding done i will post the results.dan. |
| cylinder head I.D. -- BarryMcLarty, 05/26/2003
I found these headsat a flea market,and am unsure of their origin.Casting on the heads is C6AE 6090R.The first number could be 8090 instead of 6090.Impossible to tell.Also has a large letter R by the first spark plug hole,and GT type exhaust bolt pattern.Any help is appreciated. |
| | 1966-67 390GT heads N/M -- Royce Peterson, 05/26/2003
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| | | RE: 1966-67 390GT heads N/M -- BarryMcLarty, 05/26/2003
Thanks.I was hoping that was the case.Intake ports are much taller then my 68 GT heads.Am going to use them with tri-power in a 64 Galaxie,and they look like they will make some power. |
| | | | Use the forum search to look up "transition". -- Dave Shoe, 05/27/2003
The C6AE-R heads is an "emissions transition" head, available in about 1/3 of FEs in 1966 and 1967 only. It was apparently distributed randomly, since a 352 pickup, 428 LTD, 390 -2V Fairlane, or 390 GT Mustang all stood an equal chance of getting the head.
The exhaust drill pattern was different for the Fairlane/Mustang, and this identifies your heads as Farilane/Mustang heads. They are most likely from a 390GT, but 390-2V and 390-4V (non GT) engines also got these same heads, though with a different valvetrain installed.
Here's a link that explains things a little better:
http://jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=12132&Reply=12116
Shoe. |
| 1964 390 2V - how about 4V? -- verhulce, 05/26/2003
Got a 390/266HP 2V in my Merc - to step up to a 4V style engine, do i need to change the heads as well as the intake/carb? Or am I better off just stepping up to a bigger 2V carb? |
| | The main differences are... -- Dave Shoe, 05/26/2003
...pistons and intake.
The 2V engine was typically calibrrated to run on regular gasoline (9.5:1 CR), and the 4V on Premium (10.5:1 CR). The piston compression was the difference.
If you are looking for a little extra oomph, the way to go would be an Edelbrock RPM intake and a small 4V carb.
Nowadays, the old 9.5:1 CR is great for modern premium gasoline, and it'll work with regular in most cases, also. Since the Edelbrock "Performer RPM" (not the plain Performer, as those are hardly more than stock) intake will breath far better than a stock intake, but it's "velocity" design will allow it to work with a stock cam. The lack of an exhaust crossover in the RPM intake meads you'll have to disable any "heat riser" valve in the passenger side exhaust manifold, if one exists.
The Performer RPM is a well priced intake (for an FE), and the difference from stock will be noticed. Keep an eye out for hood clearance, however, as the intake also sits roughly an inch higher than the stock 1958-65 style iron intake and "T" intake (1966-76 emissions version of 1958-65 intake).
JMO, Shoe. |
| | | RE: The main differences are... -- verhulce, 05/27/2003
Thanks, Dave.
I am new to the FE. But what a beautiful engine it is!
I have been eyeing that Ebrock RPM for a little while now. As far as hood clearance goes... 64 Merc Montclair. Think I'll need a lower/dropbase air cleaner? And by small carb, I assume around 600CFM? |
| 390ci ford thunderbird parts -- Gary Chiasson, 05/25/2003
Hello, I'm hoping someone can tell me a source for 390 parts. In particular I'm looking for the crankcase vent that mounts on the back of the intake manifold. Looks like a pressure fit (fitting). |
| | The metal plate w/ integral tube, to accept a PCV valve? [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/25/2003
n/m |
| | What year vehicle? -- Dave Shoe, 05/25/2003
Are you referring to the vent drilled into the lump on the back surface of early iron intakes? These would be on cars equipped with a road draft tube that snaked down the bellhousing and vented under the car.
I'm trying to recall the type of PCV system used in New York (open PCV type) and California (closed PCV) editions of these early 390s, as these were an alternate to the road draft tube used in most states. At any rate, I'm suspecting you are referring to the 1961-64 era 390.
I don't know of any specific sources, but they can be found.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: What year vehicle? -- Gary Chiasson, 05/26/2003
It's a 1964, The crankcase vent shown in the shop manual comes out of the back of the intake (1.25 dia hole) Then has a 90 deg juction with 1 connector that goes to a hose which connects to a valve mounted on a bracket behind the carb then from there goes to the back of the Carb. riser. |
| | | | RE: What year vehicle? -- Gary Chiasson, 05/26/2003
This is what the shop manual shows
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