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 |  aluminum FE intake -- BILL REARICK, 06/16/2006
I have a fe aluminum intake with c shelby cast into it. What would this have been on. It is a single 4 brl. |
|  | 'Shelby' intakes were aftermarket parts, sold in Shelby catalogs. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/16/2006
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| | In other words, they didn't 'come on' any Ford engine, as 'stock'. [n/m] -- Mr F, 06/16/2006
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|  | RE: aluminum FE intake -- BILL REARICK, 06/18/2006
thank you, it was 'on' a 1969 fairlane cobra with a c9z numbered carb with matching c9z aluminum finned valve covers.i was curios if anyone new what it was on originally. thank you.that was all. |
 | aluminum 4v fe intake manifold date code 1JD -- Randy, 06/16/2006
This date code decodes to 1961/Sep/4th week. There's part number cast into the intake. This'd be the 1962 model year. What ford fe engine came with a 4v aluminum intake in 1962?
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| Lou 352HP engine? -- McQ, 06/16/2006
Lou, you stated you have a 44K mile '60 HP 352 engine. I'd like to know what you've got to identify this as a true 360 horse HP352. Thanks. |
| | RE: Lou 352HP engine? -- Lou, 06/16/2006
A fellow was here last night and checked the part number and droped the pan. He said that it was indeed a 352 HIPo and left a deposit. He said something about the crank and rods. I do know that it had the "C" heads and not the "D" heads. I'm not a engine guy, I'm better at transmissions and rear ends so I send all engine work out. The car that this came out of I have owned sence 1972 and was told by the orginal owner that it was a hipo 352. The car was badly damaged about 12 years ago and I never got to repairing it. |
| |  | RE: Lou 352HP engine? -- McQ, 06/16/2006
What intake manifold was on this engine when acquired in '72? How about the distributor? Single or dual point? Carburetor? Holley or 4100 Autolite?
Most HP 352's came with what looked like standard rods/bolts & 9/16" nuts and crankshaft. The very late production HP's, May/June '60 came with the larger rods with the 19/32" nuts. So that would be easy to check on your engine since the pan is now off.
One very obvious item that would not require removal of the pan is the harmonic balancer. The 352HP was the first to use the 390HP-406 large balancer. The same balancer that was used to mid '63. And the timing pointer is unique to the HP due to the larger balancer.
Literally all 352HP blocks are a B9AE casting. And to add some real credibility to the block being an HP you should be able to find HP stamped on the small pad on the right side just above the ground strap bolt hole.
Your buyer is right that the 'C' heads are the standard 300 horse 4V or 250 horse 2V head.
The 'D' head, as you know, is the true HP352 and HP390 head.
I know that most of the time this forum deals with the deservedly great 427 and 428. But it's the 352HP along with the 390HP that I find extremely interesting. The 352HP marked Ford's re-entry to factory backed racing and it was the start of what the marketing department called "Total Performance". There has been so much misinformation printed about these engines and because Fords powered by the 352/390HP were not given a unique engine id VIN code, it's very difficult to determine exactly what was built.
Thanks Lou for checking. |
| | | | 352HP engine? -- Lou, 06/17/2006
I knew about the "D" heads as the seller told me he had to replace the heads because of cracks. It had the "J" carb, the unmarked alum manifold, and a single point distributor, the crank pully was huge. It did not have the correct aircleaner.
I have a 59 solid lifter 352, with 60 heads cast iron intake manifold and "J" carb if you are interested. Engine was a rebuilt, has about 50,000 miles on it. Make me a offer. I need to clean house. The wife and I are talking about buying another house and I don't want to move this stuff. |
| | | | | RE: 352HP engine? -- McQ, 06/17/2006
Thanks Lou but if I remember correctly you live somewhere near the R coast. I'm way over to the left in Eastern Washington state. As much as I might think having another true '60 HP 352 engine would be nice, I can't justify the shipping or even a looong road trip. My shelves are full of FE stuff. I almost typed "too" in front of the full but knew that wouldn't be understood here.
It's nice to talk with someone who knows something about where the true big block Ford-Edsel performance heritage began. In '58 the new 332/352/361 series was largely berated by the press as over h'power rated and truly underpowered. Hot Rod even said the previous year's 312 was superior. The Ford engine engineers under the guidance of Don Sullivan went to work in '59 to rectify this. The '60 HP352 was the result and it received a lot of positive ink that was backed up by numerous NASCAR wins and many wins on drag strips over the 348's/389's/361's and 283's! A friend's older brother had purchased a new '60 Impala 348 tri power, 3 speed stick & O.D. He thought it was quick until he went up against a '60 Starliner 352HP/360 3 speed/O.D. He traded the '60 Chevy in on a '61 Ford Sunliner 390HP with tri power = 401 horse. He was much happier with the '61. My friend and I were too. He took us to our first sanctioned drag races in the spring of '63 in that Rangoon red rag-top. |
| | RE: Lou 352HP engine? -- EDzierzek, 06/18/2006
Sorry to but in - but I was just wondering if you could answer a few questions about this 352 cubic inch w/ 360 horsepower engine. ARE they as valuable as a 428/ 427 ?? What are they worth ? Are they rare ? I might ? know where one is here in VA. Thanks, ED |
| | | RE: Lou 352HP engine? -- Lou, 06/18/2006
Ed, not a problem, love talking about odd Ford stuff. No they are not worth nearly as much as a 427, about the same as a 428. The reason being that not many people know that they existed and they were a one year engine. ( I belive that they were offered in 1961 for a very short time) Are they rare, "very rare", but the 60 Ford was not one of FoCoMo better styling ideas, (When they were new I hated them) and rare does not always mean worth more.
They are a great running and trouble free engine and really fun to drive. The car I had, had overdrive and was a great road car crused at 75-80 and gave me 14 MPG at that speed. In 1974 I took a 68 383 GTX on a 30 mile top end run from Middletown, to Old Saybrook Ct on the then new route 9. |
| | | | RE: Lou 352HP engine? -- McQ, 06/18/2006
Okay my turn to offer my opinion. I'm one who has always thought the '60 Ford was one of Ford's greatest styling ideas. I can still remember the first '60 Starliner I saw driving down the street and I was literally stunned by its unique beauty. It's true it was a controversial style but Ford sold a lot of them and they remain popular with those who like 'em. Remember the old adage about beauty.
Now as for the one year only, there were no '61 Fords sold with factory 352 HP's. Thre were no -Y- code '61 Fords. None. Never offered. I will concur with Lou that a true 352HP engine is very rare. They were built on a PAO 9060 basis - only built if the production line was caught up and time was available. Many unique/special parts were installed on a 352HP powered car. A brief list off the top of my head:
HD axle which meant 4 pinion instead of 2.
3/8" fuel line from tank to pump and then 3/8" through the unique fuel filter to the 540 cfm Holley carb bolted onto the first FE factory aluminum intake manifold. The fuel filter and 3/8" lines were the same used on 390HP, 406, 427's through '67.
3" front brakes with 2.5" rears.
Higher rated springs rear and front.
HD U-joints. And there are other special chassis items. But the point is the production line was not set-up or ready to build the HP cars of '60 and '61. It took a little more walking, reaching and lifting.
The 352HP itself used a B9AE block that was a hydraulic block but the lifter oil passages were factory blocked. The cam of course was the solid lifter that saw continuing usage to the '63 427. The crank was selected and slightyly modified to handle higher RPMs. The 352HP would easily rev to 6,500 stock. The rods/pistons were nothing special but they were unique vs. standard 4V/2V rods/pistons. As I've mentioned the harmonic balancer was larger/thicker accomodating higher RPM. levels.
To summarize, the 352HP is much rarer than a 427 or 428 CJ. But does that make it more valuable or even as valuable? I don't think so. It's good old simple econ - what will the market bare? There's much broader interest in the CJ and '27 powered cars. Twelve years ago I sold a complete intake to pan and exhaust manifolds '69 428 CJ engine for $3,000 locally to a guy needing one for his Mustang. I ran a classified local ad for one weekend and it sold by Sunday. I personally don't believe a complete 352HP would bring near that even now. Not much market for one. But if you're patient and run ads in enough places you might find a weirdo like me who might part with a chunk-o-change for the real thing.
But please don't offer me one. I've got enough going on in my shop as it is. |
| | | | | 352,HiPo -- Lou, 06/18/2006
McQ, Thanks for the info on the lack of 61 352 HiPo. I didn't think there were any but then there wasn't and 352 HiPos put into T-Birds in 1960, except I owned one and had all the factory paper work from new. But again I belive the 390 300 hp debuted when the 1961 Fords debuted, and the 385 & 401 hp shortly there after.
There a guy every year at the Ford Nationals in Carlise, PA that always has 60 HiPo parts for sale, some times also a car. Last year he sold a plane Jane 60 Fairlane 2 door, 352/360 full complete correct restoration $30,000.
This year he also had a completely rebuilt, air cleaner to oil pan 368 56 Ford S code engine. This was only the 4th 56 S code 368 I've seen in 40 years of playing with mid 50s to mid 60s Fords. His spot is always a trip back in time for me. |
| | | | | | RE: Alternative Power -- McQ, 06/19/2006
I know very little about the Lincoln-Mercury 368. The first car I ever actually drove myself was my folk's '57 Merc Montclair with the Turnpike Cruiser power package. The car wasn't a T'pike Cruiser, it was a 4 dr. hardtop with the mighty 368" and push button automatic. I do know these engines are increasingly difficult to find and there was a factory offered, over the counter dual 4V package for the 368. But I've never seen one. Talk about "alternative power". A Lincoln 368 would be the way to go for a mid fifties, earlier Ford/Merc.
Thanks Lou for the interesting conversation. I doubt the youngsters even read this stuff. "PLease tell us about the Mustangs!" Well kids, we liked cars, especially Fords & Mercs "Before Mustangs".
But don't laugh too loud Mustangers. My daily driver is an '06 GT automatic. Three of my sons and I took turns with the 4.6 3Valve last night at the local strip. My 28 yr. old came in first with a 13.67/101.55. I came in 2nd with a 13.80/100.5. The 33 yr. old got a 13.90/99. The other son is just barely 16 and without his license yet. He'll get a chance soon. Only mods to this '06 3V are a Cold Air Induction kit and axle back Flowmasters. It runs on 87 octane and I've gotten 24.6 mpg both city/highway. Close to stock CJ times/mph. |
| 1967 390 GT Valve Covers -- Jim Hanson, 06/16/2006
I am trying to locate the correct "style" of chrome valve covers for a 1967 Mustang 390 GT. Are other years' 390 valve covers (Mustang Fairlane, etc.) the same style as the 1967 Mustang 390? Does anyone have a picture of what these valve covers should look like??
Thanks for your help
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| | There were early and late styles -- Royce P, 06/16/2006
Early '67 Mustang / Fairlane / Comet / Cougar used a no - name valve cover with PCV on the R/H rear and a twist in breather on the left front. This valve cover was also used in most FE passenger car applications in 1966, with the PCV valve moving from the center of the r/h valve cover to the rear during 1966 model year so that the two covers became identical left / right in late 1966 model year.
After approximately April 67 (maybe a little later or earlier) the more familiar "Power by Ford" valve covers were used. I don't have any pics of the more common earlier type but they are on Ebay frequently. The later types were used through 1969 model year and are pictured in the component ID section at http://www.428cobrajet.com/
Royce |
| | RE: 66 galaxie convertible -- white russian, 06/16/2006
these pictures were taken a gouple of weeks ago! |
| | RE: 66 galaxie convertible -- walt, 06/17/2006
i had a 66 convertable 7 litre,no power steering,4 speed,428 with solids,4 piston calipers,i broke the motor,dropped a 427 in with 406 3 dueces intake,sleeper.lolthe other 66 7 litre,was my friends dad,he wrecked it,i bought the engine and trans(all aluminum)c-6.and a 9 3/8 rear gear set,i pulled the 427,put in the 428,abused the car and let it go,didn't under stand what i realy owned at the time,hind sight |
| | | RE: 66 galaxie convertible -- white russian, 06/17/2006
oh i hear you... i love this car but the opposition from my wife is just too much!! |
| How do you convert hours into miles? -- Lou, 06/15/2006
I've been looking at several engines, some are boat engines, others are street sweepers, etc. All have hour meters. |
| | RE: How do you convert hours into miles? -- raycfe, 06/15/2006
How far can you drive in an hour? 50 miles? Just a guess, but I would figure an engine with 5000 hours was about 25,000 miles. And you DO NOT to buy a "raw" water cooled engine. Just my 2 cents |
| | | RE: How do you convert hours into miles? -- John, 06/15/2006
Raycfe is correct......many boat engnes do not use a heat exchanger. Lake water might be tolerable....for a while, but salt water can make a block worthless in only a few seasons. Although it does cost $, I always strip down any used engine I would buy and rebuild it. The good news is that a boat engine might get you the crank and rods you want....maybe even the pistons if you wind up re-boring a 360 or 390 block to fit. Alternate blocks aren't too hard to find, and heads are even eaiser. A boat engine might be a good parts source to start with. Watch out for those reverse rotation engines though. Many have a "reverse rotation" sticker on the valve cover. To answer your original question, trying to convert hours to miles is useless. The amount of hours per year varies greatly depending on the owner, the use, and the length of good boating season. So an engine may have few hours on it, but could be 15 years old. And in a marine environment, that means corrosion. Other uses, such as industrial pumps or farm machinery, may use an hour meter, and should be safer. But wether Grandpa used one to bale hay for a few days every fall, or it was used every day all summer to pump water.....how can you really tell? Again, these engeines are great parts sources, and it's a gamble wehter they can be used in their entirety for an automobile. |
| | | | raycfe, one hour = 50 miles sounds -- Lou, 06/16/2006
reasonable. One of the engines I'm looking at has 2500 miles on it so 2500 x 50 would be 125,000 miles and that sounds realistic. |
| | | | | John, thanks for the info, In highschool -- Lou, 06/16/2006
I worked in a boatyard on Long Island Sound (Milford CT) so I know about raw water cooled. Heat exchangers were fairly common on the inboard boats I saw even in the late 50s. Thanks for reminding me about counter clockwise engines, that part I had forgot. |
| Overheating problem for 1965 mustang -- peter, 06/15/2006
hello everyone, i'm having a overheating problem from my 65 mustang recently and can't seem to find the problem. i have installed a aluminium radiator not too long ago. i have replaced the thermostate to a lower temperature rating. the water pump seem to be working just fine, since it's a mechanical not a electrical component. however, i am experiencing a loud squeal from the fan belt every time i give gas. so i've done almost everything i can think of and still no lucky with the problem. can it be the fan belt getting loose and not getting enough traction to the pump? or could it be the radiator problem since i seldomly drive the car, which remains dormant most of the months. any input in this issue is highly appreciated. thanks |
| | RE: Overheating problem for 1965 mustang -- peter, 06/15/2006
sorry fellas,, i forgot to include the fact that when the car starts to overheat, the water hose connecting the radiator to the manifold gets very pressurized, as if it was clogged somehow and each time i run the car on the streets for several minutes, it overheats and the strong pressure build up would push all the coolent into the resevoir tank. so i had to fill it up every time before i run it. |
| | | RE: Overheating problem for 1965 mustang -- John, 06/15/2006
Maybe the aluminum radiator is causing the trouble, but when I had this problem with my 66 Mustang, I tried everything. Finally decided the engine needed a rebuild, so I had the heads and block hot-tanked. No more trouble after that. Just years and years of crud build-up in the castings. |
| | | | Ps: -- John, 06/15/2006
A slipping fan belt will do it. Now is the belt bad, or is it slipping because the flow is significantly restricted? Back again to the rad, if the flow is restricted.
On the hot-tanking, I forogt to mention, my car wouldn't overheat for quite a while before I cleaned the castings. But once it started, nothing (including turning on the heater) would cool it down. |
| | | | | RE: Ps: -- glennz, 06/15/2006
if your cooling system pressurizes that much just running a few minutes then it is possible you have a head gasket going bad, causeing combsutiuon from the cylinder to enter cooling system, on a compression stroke of around 120 lbs will quickly pressurize the cooling system..if this wasthe case you should see bubbling and smell exhaust coming from radiator filler neck
how about the radiator cap. to low setting
if it were something cooling system realted it woul dtake more the a few minutes for it to overheat that bad....
do you have access to a stant cooling system checkeryou can do 2 checks....pressurize the cooling system and see if one of the cylinder fills with water
or
put the tester on and start car and run, if it goes over or taps out the max pressure scale on testeer it shows the system is pressurizing to much
just my .02
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| Power steering pump flow rate -- Greg Westphall, 06/14/2006
Does anyone out there have the Ford Thompson power steering pump specifications regarding pressure and flow rate at a given temperature and rpm?
It would be very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Greg |
| horsepower/torque -- thomas, 06/13/2006
427 genesis block. comp is 10.5 to 1. bore is 4.250. stroke is 3.98. cam is solid .intake lift 636 exhaust lift is 610 duration is intake 246 exhaust is 251 at 50 thousand. 850 proform carb. keith kraft stage 3 edelbrock heads 2.25 intake 1.75 exhaust. edelbrock performer rpm match to heads, headers are crites 2" tube. please give me a estimate horse/torque of this engine. |
| 67 mustang 390 headers -- Jason, 06/13/2006
I bought some headers from another mustang enthusiast. He said that they will definitely fit my 67 390 4 speed mustang, they were on the same car. My concern is I saw some pics of fairlane headers for a 390 engine and they look the same. I compared part numbers with summit and the mustang and fairlane have different parts numbers for hooker super comp headers. Does anyone know if fairlane headers will work for a mustang? I am ready to start assembling my car and don't need anymore setbacks.
Thanks, Jason |
| | No they won't. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/13/2006
Otherwise, they would have the same part number -at least as far as Hooker Super Comps are concerned. I think that the part number is the same in Hedman, however.
But I'm not sure where your problem is. You bought these headers for your Mustang from a Mustang guy who took them off his Mustang. The Hooker part number matches a Mustang part number (assuming that this is the case, though it doesn't say specifically) but only looks similar to the Fairlane. So did you buy Fairlane or Mustang headers? |
| | | RE: No they won't. -- Jason, 06/13/2006
The part number is hard to see, but I will try to read it again. I know the part numbers are different for mustang and fairlane headers. My concern is that the headers look just like fairlane headers, the mustang headers look different. The seller told me that they came from his mustang. I was taking his word for it, but probably got ripped-off. |
| | | | Well, maybe. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/13/2006
The headers do look very similar so it's about impossible to go by looks. The chassis width is different between the cars as is the engine bay depth. That's why in Hooker SCs, they are different headers.
I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. And even if you got taken, it's not like somebody died. You lick your wounds and move on. |
| | | | | RE: Well, maybe. -- Jaon, 06/13/2006
I saw a pic on ebay and then I looked on summits website and the headers for a mustang looked totally different so maybe the summit pic isn't correct or hooker changed the design. I was worried becasue I wanted to get the engine and trans in and fire it up. I know I could sell the headers on ebay. Thankyou for your replies.
Jason |
| | | | | | Read the caption on Summit photos. -- Gerry Proctor, 06/13/2006
They don't always use the actual image of the item you're viewing. Many times, yes, but you can find plenty of examples where they don't and they say so. |
| | | | | | | RE: Read the caption on Summit photos. -- Jason, 06/13/2006
I received an email with a pic of hooker super comp headers for a mustang. My pass. side header is the same as the one in the email, but the driver side headers are different. So I guess that confirms I got the wrong headers. |
| | | | | | | | RE: Read the caption on Summit photos. -- Ross, 06/13/2006
I sent the pics to you, just to be sure you know, mine are 6114 Supercomps.
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| | | | | | | | | RE: Read the caption on Summit photos. -- Dan Benson, 06/16/2006
Not sure of the numbers but I have a 67 Mustang with an FE and I installed the Hooker Super Comp Headers. This task is not very easy. You have to install headers from the bottom as you install the engine a quarter inch at a time, bringing the two together and getting a bolt in where you can. 32 bolts. They do fit and clear. If you have power steering a word of warning. You'll need the lowering slave cylinder bracket that bolts to the frame. Works fine but this puts a different angle on the link and I know of two including mine where this bracket was ripped from the frame and left me without steering. I have welded the bracket to my frame and have since had no problems. Good luck.
Dan Benson |
| | RE: 67 mustang 390 headers -- Randy, 06/17/2006
Jason if your Mustang has the original 67 390GT heads with 14 bolt pattern, then Hooker doesn't make a header for it. Starting in 68 the 390GT exhaust port was higher in relation to the bolt pattern. I used 68-70 supercomps on my 67 and slotted the mounting bolts to lower the headers to match the ports. If you don't do this there is a major port mismatch. It does bring them closer to the motor mounts. Good luck with your project.
Randy |
| | | RE: 67 mustang 390 headers -- Randy, 06/17/2006
oops meant to type "slotted the mounting bolt holes in the headers" |
| | | | RE: 67 mustang 390 headers -- Jason, 06/17/2006
Thanks for all the replies. I knew it would be a tight fit, heard many stories. The car is suppose to have power steering but its long gone. THe bracket you mentioned is there and its welded on. What about the clutch linkage, is it also real close to it also?
My heads are C8H casting number so I guess they are 68 heads and they are 14 bolt. |
| | | | | RE: 67 mustang 390 headers -- Randy, 06/17/2006
Clutch linkage isn't too bad |
| | | RE: 67 mustang 390 headers -- Jason, 06/17/2006
Thanks for the info Randy. well I have confirmed that the headers are for a fairlane (found the part number). So I guess I will have to sell these ones and buy the right ones. |
| | | | FPA makes proper headers for your application -- Royce P, 06/17/2006
A bit pricey but they will fit. Mine for my '67 were close to $700 delivered in the basic chrome plating. Ceramic coating added another $200.
http://www.fordpowertrain.com/opening.htm
Click on the link above to see their web site.
Royce
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| | | | | RE: FPA makes proper headers for your application -- Jason, 06/17/2006
I have been on thier website before and looked at their headers. Right now I dont have the cash.
Thanks for the info. |
| | RE: 67 mustang 390 headers -- Paul Lovett, 06/17/2006
Where are you located Jason? I'm in the Kansas City area.
I have a set of the Hooker Supercomps for the FE Mustang. I had them on my '67 Cougar with a 428. They have the 16 bolt pattern and they are a pain in the arse to install, but they do fit.
Mine were ceramic coated, but the coating is peeling off in places. They have also been drilled for O2 sensors for dyno testing. These holes could be easily welded up.
My combo liked bigger tube headers so I have Crites headers on my Cougar now.
If you are half way close to me you could come get my old Hookers for a song and see the Cougar they were on. There are no Fairlanes anywhere near me! Plus then you'll know where I live so you can believe what I say.
Anyway, email me if you are interested. I have pic's I can send you.
Paul Lovett |
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