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| GT500 air cleaner -- Rene, 04/27/2002
Would a 69 CJ ram air torino aircleaner base be the same as the 69 GT500 base? Thanks for any help! |
| | Pretty much, yes. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/03/2002
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| 390 blows smoke on start up - one tailpipe -- Jim, 04/27/2002
The engine is a 1965 with 34,000 original miles, so I'm thinking it's valve seals. Can the seals be replaced without pulling the heads? |
| | RE: 390 blows smoke on start up - one tailpipe -- Ray, 04/27/2002
It probably is the seals leaking , but there could another problem. If it has new valves and guides, the clearance maybe the problem .001 to .003 clearance (normal). To much to start with your in trouble. Even with .001clearance without a seal, it will have very little oil rolling down the guilde when done right.That is common complaint if you using old valves or guides, nerualing the guides is short timer for guide life, thats where clearance problem useally accure. Yes you can change seals make sure your piston is at TDC when you do it! There is some seals with large shoulders that will help. Ray |
| Thunderbolt on E-Bay....bogus?? -- David Thayer, 04/27/2002
I don't know my T-bolt vin numbers, sellers say 4F41K . Is the K a 289? |
| | Sounds right. -- Royce Peterson, 04/27/2002
The Thunderbolts all started life as 289 Hi- Performance 271 HP cars so the VIN's have a "K" for the engine designator. The engines were installed at Dearborn Steel Tubing, along with the chassis and body mods.
There is a T Bolt registry that has tracked these cars for years, I would consult with them before laying out $100,000 for a car. There are some with legit numbers that are fakes. I have heard there are two with the same serial number both claiming original parts.
Royce Peterson
Royce Peterson |
| | RE: Thunderbolt on E-Bay....bogus?? -- Mark Logan, 01/31/2006
4F41Kxxxxxx is the correct VIN for Thunderbolt. |
| what's the best header for my 390? -- mike, 04/26/2002
i have a 69 mach 1 390 4spd w/ a carter 600-650, msd ignition. i'm having my heads built right now. it's a GT and i've been told the GT heads and manifolds are worth keeping. i have both staggered and vertical exhaust bolt patterns on my heads. i will probably keep the stock equip. but i am curious about anybody's experience with aftermarket headers on this application and their results. noticable difference? thanx. |
| | RE: what's the best header for my 390? -- mustangoldtimer, 04/26/2002
I know someone will disagree with me, but factory gt or corbra jet cast iron manifolds are installable and last a good long time, something that headers on a fe never did for me. the headers are so tight I don't think they help much, and usually leak. |
| | You've got a 390IP engine in that car. -- Dave Shoe, 04/26/2002
FPA Tri-Y headers for 390GT engines will be your absolute best bet. www.fordpowertrain.com is the place. Not cheap, but the quality and fit is tops.
CJ exhaust manifolds are also a slick idea, but FPAs fit well and offer great ground clearance.
Since 1968 was the last year of the 390GT engine, you inherited the next version of the motor: the 390IP.
IP stands for "Improved Performance", apparently a new term for Ford which fit between "Standard Performance" and "High Performance".
All 390GT engines were forced to accept the expensive Thermactor emissions package in 1968 (due to the large valve overlap allowing raw gas to pass through to the exhaust), because of a new set of regulations which took effect that year. The 428 took top position in 1969, and also needed Thermactor systems to pass emissions.
Since the 390GT was no longer needed as a premium performance package, Ford ordered (in print) that Thermactor be removed form them, as there was more sales value in reducing costs of the second-tier engine. The only way to accomplish this was to put a regular production cam in the engine. The Holley carb was also replaced with a less expensive Autolite.
GT heads are actually the same as any FE production head. The difference is in the valve springs and associated hardware. Since there were never any dud FE heads cast, all FEs have good heads, though the smaller runners of the "emissions era" heads (first showing up in 1966), make the large runner heads comparatively desirable.
I harp on FPA headers for your C8AE-H castings because those are "emissions era" castings with smaller "velocity" runners. Yes, the same castings are used in 428PI engines, so they are proven runners.
The problem with Hooker headers, or most of the headers, is that they were designed for "pre-emissions" heads which have their exhaust positioned 5/16" higher on the head. The port height is the same on your head, but it was positioned downward in 1966 to make it compatible with Fairlane/Mustang 390 exhaust manifolds (a poor design exh manifold, in my opinion).
FPA makes a header flange for raised-port heads (all 1958-65 heads, C6AE-R castings fairly common in 1966-67, CJ, and all 427 castings), and they also make another flange for low-exit heads (C6AE-J, -L, -U, C7AE-A, C8AE-H, and D2TE-AA (some others also exist).
The FPAs have a great reputation among FE enthusiasts.
Shoe. |
| | | RE: You've got a 390IP engine in that car. -- Dave, 04/29/2002
I agree with Dave also, I put them on my 67 Mustang with a 428 and the engine dropped right into the engine bay with the headers on. Well dropped rt. in perhaps isnt quite acurate. It took some time to get it in, but we did it without even scratching the paint. |
| | RE: what's the best header for my 390? -- Brian, 04/26/2002
I second the FPA recommendation. I have them on my '67 Cougar GT and the fit is excellent with plenty of ground clearance. I can't say much for performance improvement because I added mine when I rebuilt my engine so I don't know how much performance to attribute to the FPA's. |
| | | Ford used to say 15 HP gain... -- Kevin66, 04/28/2002
...as a minimum, back in the old Muscle Parts books. In reality, even running through a good dual exhaust system, you'll probably see 20+.
More importantly, it's the torque gain that you'll feel, as the pistons no longer have to 'push' all the exhaust gasses through the system, and that energy is freed-up to be used elsewhere.
You can also reasonably expect mileage improvements of about 1-1/2-2 mpg over the stock system, at least at cruise or higher. |
| | RE very cool nm -- David Thayer, 04/26/2002
Very cool nm |
| | | Pollution Packer!.... -- kevin, 04/26/2002
do any of you remember it? It was the fastest and quickest 1/4 mile machine for about 20 years. It was giving an exhibition run and was a school project from somewhere. I was at Columbus in 73 racing at the Springnationals, and this "bellytanker" with motorcycle tires was making its maiden run. The poor guy driving did not have a clue what to expect. I was at the 1/8 mile mark, and it was slow getting off the line, and then WHOOSH, it was so fast that the diver was barely able to hit the chute to slow it down. He was having a hard time seeing, as his eyes were bugged out! That thrust motor looked like you could hold it all in your outstretched arms. Louder than a T/F car, and it burned a gallon a second. 5:22 ET at 322 MPH! He looked to stop in less than a couple of hundred feet. It never exceeded that time again to my knowledge. |
| | | | The Rocketman is still very active up in Minnesota -- Dave Shoe, 04/26/2002
Ky Michaelson (a.k.a. The Rocketman, www.the-rocketman.com) is still doing lotsa damage up here in the Twin Cities.
I met him a couple months ago at a Twin Cities Norton Owners Club meeting and he has stories from the past (he's the only person I know who has an early-60s intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile mounted to the roof of his house), and countless projects running into the future.
I saw his latest creation at the Gopher State Timing Association meet a couple Saturdays ago. A twin engine BSA drag bike.
This guy is a serious hotrodder. In 1977 one of his cars (with a gal driving) did the quarter mile in 3.22 seconds. That's 412MPH through the traps.
Ky is apparently very active in the development of current Hydrogen technologies.
Shoe. |
| | | | | RE: The Rocketman is still very active up in Minnesota -- kevin, 04/27/2002
Dave, please tell me more on that gal! I dont remember anything about the car/rocket off hand. Evel comes into this place I go to. I should ask him what it feels like with a rocket underneath him. Too bad the Snake River jump never made it across. You have a Commando? |
| | | | | | Killer Fastback. -- Dave Shoe, 04/28/2002
I bought my first Commando Roadster in '76, and presently run a 750 Fastback named "Killer" which has the Dunstall 2:1:2 exhaust. It somehow acquired the name during it's track racing days back in the '70s.
I dig Roadsters, Combats, and Fastbacks a bunch.
I don't know all that much about Ky, except he's wild as hell when on the rocket topic. Very friendly and fun person. I was introduced to him a couple months ago over some pizza and beer at a TCNOC meet. Other TCNOC and Lake Street Surf and Drag Association members know him well.
It was fun to learn of how he "traded" some rocket goodies to acquire his retired intercontinental ballistic missile (warhead removed), and how he was later asked to return it (or at least take it out of his back yard) to avoid an international situation of some sort (since it could be seen from space), but he managed to hold onto it once all the authorities figured out he acquired it legally and wasn't gonna give it back. I may have some parts of this story mixed around, but I'll surely be learning more as time goes on.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | | Another Noccer here, too! -- Martin Edridge, 04/29/2002
This is odd. I have been into Commandos since the 70's when I started 'biking. Now have a (self) restored '73 750 Roadster in yellow. Similar power delivery to Musclecars. Love 'em all. Cheers, Martin. |
| | | | | | | | LSS&DA has some cool old photos. -- Dave Shoe, 04/29/2002
If interested in some cool photos, pop a quick visit to the Lake Street Surf & Drag Association's main page.
It ain't but barely a week old, but it's pretty damned cool already.
http://www.radiorumpusroom.com/lakestreet/pages/index.html
Shoe. |
| | | Hey David, You still interested in the 427 prints? -- Dave Shoe, 04/26/2002
David,
You're the last on the old "427 block blueprint list" who has not yet responded as to whether you still want the prints or not.
I emailed you again a couple days ago. Are they getting through?
You can review some details at: http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=74182&messageid=1015558266 and my emails have specific info.
If you want them, be sure to let me know. If my emails are not getting through, be sure to let me know. I'm gonna shut the operation down in a couple days and your set won't be available after that.
Shoe. |
| For What Does "FE" Stand? -- Ford Fan, 04/25/2002
N/m |
| | FORD/EDSEL I'm ducking now {G} ..... -- hawkrod, 04/25/2002
suggest you do the same. every time this question gets asked, fear flies along with the BS and opinions (not that my opinion is any better, just first!). hawkrod |
| Cam set up? -- Dave, 04/24/2002
My 67 Mustang is having vacuum problems. I did not have the original cam specs other then the part #A411 and basic lift/duration, nothing at .050 lift. I have checked and do not have any vacuum leaks, but engine only putting out 8-12 lbs at idle. Have to idle at 1700 to get 17lbs. The post that is two before this about the Fairlane with additional parts has a photo of my cam specs on the box. I have taken the front off the engine and the engine shop had it set at straight up. If anyone had installed and degree'd this cam and knows what the cam should be set up at I need the help. Could this be the problem with no vacuum. Thanks for the help. |
| | That cam should have good vacuum. -- Dave Shoe, 04/24/2002
I ran that cam straight up in my LTD with 427 stroker and C6 for several years and it idled silently at 600RPM with an 850DP and offered plenty of vacuum for brake boost. It's basically a perky version of the CJ cam.
Shoe.
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| | | RE: That cam should have good vacuum. -- Dave, 04/24/2002
Dave did you run that cam with adjustable pushrods. Could it be one of the pushrods isnt letting the valves close all the way. The motor runs strong after 2200 rpm and idle pretty smooth. Have replaced vacuum booster twice and new brake cylinder. How big a vacuum leak would it have to have to drop the pressure to 8-12 lbs at 600rpm. We havent been able to locate a leak. |
| | RE: Cam set up? -- Ray, 04/24/2002
Hi Dave, that is a good high vacuum cam, you could run that cam just the same way the cam card reads. If you take just the one intake opening number, which is -5 degrees @ .050 you should be there. The numbers for that particular cam are by far one of most popular grinds for replacement cams. I've use that profile in many different engines, some times called an RV cam. It is good idea to follow through with degreeing the rest of cam to see if all # are correct. Ray |
| | | Hey Ray, did you get my email about the prints?? -- Dave Shoe, 04/24/2002
Ray,
In regards to the 427 prints, I didn't have success getting my email through to you last month, so we never exchanged any info. Just wondering if my email came through about an hour ago? I've got your prints here, if you wan't 'em for $36.00 postpaid.
Same goes for David Thayer.
I'd like to get you two folk taken care of and close this out.
I'll send details if my email is connecting now.
Shoe. |
| | | | RE: O.K. on the prints Shoe. Ray -- Ray, 04/25/2002
No time to talk now, I'am in slow- hurry! |
| air cleaner for 427 hood/fairlane -- cyclone65afx@aol.com, 04/24/2002
I have a Crites 427 Ram-air hood that I'm dropping on my 67 390 Fairlane. I'm looking to make this car appear as stock as possible, with all the hipo goodies tucked away or camoflauged. But I do have that hood. Underneath the hood, the air channel "pools up" in this big area that is supposed to be cut out to rest directly on the air cleaner. That's what I want to do. I'm sure I'm not going to be able to find or afford an original 427 air cleaner, so is there another combo I can use? I saw one at Carlisle swap meet from a 69 Boss 429 or something that had the right configuration: big air cleaner bottom, with a rubber seal for the hood contact - and a smaller top, that rested on top of the filter. I will fab my own, if necessary, but I wanted to see if anyone had any ideas before I get into that. Thanks Fordniks George
I plan to install a weiand Stealth intake, so there's your height. |
| | RE: air cleaner for 427 hood/fairlane -- Kevin66, 04/28/2002
What you describe from Carlisle also sounds very similar to the Mopar 440-6Pk air cleaner. I'll try to include a picture of one here.
Years ago, I had an original 62A R-code Fairlane. The opening from the ram-air hood's plenum was merely cut out in an oval to drop down around ,and surround, the factory dual-quad oval air cleaner.
Since the air cleaner then fit up inside the plenum, and the opening was only about 1/2" bigger all around, I assume they didn't feel it was that important to 'seal' it from engine compartment heat.
I don't know if the 'W' code Fairlanes were similar, or used something more like the Cyclone setup. But you can buy the repro 427 oval air cleaners from numerous sources for <$100 (PAW, Summitt, etc.), and they have both single and dual-quad versions.
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| 391 distributor question -- Gary, 04/24/2002
I bought a rebuilt 391 engine that has been rebuilt and using the stock crank in it. It has Edel. heads on it and lots of Dove drivetrain parts. My question is this.... Can I use any FE distributor or does it have to be from a truck 391 motor? I seen a post in another forum (forgot where) and it was discussing whether or not you could use an aftermarket distrubutor in the 391 engine. Any thoughts from you FE gurus?
Thanks,
Gary |
| | RE: 391 distributor question -- Bob, 04/24/2002
You need a bushing for the bottom of your FE distributor to fix properly in the FT-type block. Part number is C4TZ-12367-A. Was available last year. |
| | | It's still on the computer at Ford. -- Dave Shoe, 04/24/2002
I ordered one at the local Ford Truck parts counter this afternoon.
Tomorrow the parts guy will let me know if it's still available.
At 19 bucks and change, I suspect it's now about 18 bucks more than it used to be.
Shoe. |
| | | | Pod 01 Aisle 02 Bin 03 Shelf 04 Compartment 29 -- Dave Shoe, 05/01/2002
C4TZ-12367-A, $22.02 out the door in Minneapolis. It looks like new, not old stock. At this price, I don't see them ever letting it run out of stock. Took one day to arrive at the Ford Truck dealer.
Shoe. |
| | | They are in stock at several places -- Royce Peterson, 05/01/2002
I got on the Ford computer and found some more in stock at these locations:
Dealer Name Phone Parts Searched For Quantity MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS VESTAL, NY 607-722-5371 800-546-7278 C4TZ-12367-A 1 URBANEC MOTORS GLENDIVE, MT 406-365-2331 800-487-3673 C4TZ-12367-A 1 MCLEOD FORD RIVERDALE, CA 559-867-3549 C4TZ-12367-A 1 Royce Peterson |
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