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| 428 Crank prices -- Derek, 04/23/2002
I was digging through parts that were donated to the school I'm attending and found a 428 crank that is .010 under. Is it worth picking up - for what price?
Derek
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| | RE: 428 Crank prices -- Bob, 04/23/2002
Worth about $400 if its useable as is. $300 is it needs turning. Or more. Or eBay you could get half again that much if your into creative writing. LOL |
| | RE: Neat '66 w/ deluxe LTD grille -- Mike McQuesten, 04/23/2002
This is a great '66 Galaxie. And it comes with a truck load of nice parts. This car was dicussed extensively on anothe site a few months ago. Something I learned from that thread about this specific car was that the LTD grille was a factory option "Deluxe Grille" available to the Galaxie 500 orderer/buyer.
$14K isn't that bad at all.....sure you can spend that same amount for a brand new.....Focus! That Focus will be worth $7K in '04 and worth a hundred dollar bill in '06. |
| | | no way, your nuts about that price...... -- hawkrod, 04/23/2002
sorry, i think you are being highly optinistic about that price.......
no way a focus will still be worth a C note in '06. LOL hawkrod |
| | | | You're right, I was Focused!! -- Mike McQuesten, 04/23/2002
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| | | | | i figure i will PROBE your answer! N/M -- hawkrod, 04/23/2002
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| | | | | | RE: How about..... -- Mike McQuesten, 04/24/2002
I trade you one Probed Focus or Focused Probe? for one southern Idaho -Q- code '68 'bird?
That's a no-go isn't it? I'm gonna have to just keep my own eyes open for one of those early '68s covered in dust sitting in some back alley around here. What a great donor to the powertrain improvement of a '60 Country Sedan.
I'll sweeten' that offer with a fine Festiva! And you'll Aspire for even more.....
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| | | | | | | RE: How about..... -- Bob, 04/24/2002
You guys are Sick ... or ... at least have too much spare time.
What you need is a FE project to keep you from writing such nonsense. |
| | | | | | | | come to the MONTEREY bay and i'll ESCORT you... -- hawkrod, 04/25/2002
through the GALAXIE or FE projects i have! well i give up, your turn{G} hawkrod |
| | | | | | | RE:Okay.... dip stick tube removal? -- Mike McQuesten, 04/25/2002
Bob's right, gotta get those econo-boxes off this sick mind and get back to work on removing that dip stick tube from an original '60 352.
Any suggestions on how to remove a factory installed dip stick tube without doing any damage. It's such a mundane thing but I want this little detail to be right. I've removed them by wiggling & jiggling & generally they end up tweeked. I've got two that are perfect originals. I've soaked them with PB blaster. The engines are still in the parts cars and that's where they're staying for safe keeping/storage. I've removed the fuel pumps, oil filter adaptors. No accessories in the way. Now I have to get one of them out, cleaned, painted & installed in my "352" HP.
Now if it was an Escort.........hand me them Vice Grips! |
| | | | | | | | Easy there Mike.... -- kevin, 04/25/2002
we all get tempted, dont we? Do you have a set of dowels that you can us one in, one out, but smaller than the hole? From the back side with a lead mallet, and starting fluid, or Co2, and a heat lamp, I can always get them out. To cry over once, I was having a friend carry a Hi-Riser block out, and he was not too careful and hit the doorway edge. I now have a perfectly snaped off tube that I hang like a trophy to remind me "never let a human touch my stuff" LOL. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: except.. -- Mike McQuesten, 04/25/2002
Thanks Kevin, I understand your method but my obstacle here is the engine(s), there are two with perfect d-stick tubes, are still in the cars with the pans on. So, maybe I should just crawl down in the dirt (I'm used to doing that, go ahead and remove the pan on the 4 - door and have at it with a dowel. It's important enough to me to remove it correctly that I better take the time. These early style tubes are increasingly difficult to find still in tact. |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: except.. -- Bill, 04/25/2002
Perhaps we could all go an a cruise to GRANADA or even go to Africa and hunt IMPALA.........oh geez! I am gonna hate myself in the morning for that one. *sigh* |
| | | | | | | | | | | well at least its better than being PROBED! -- hawkrod, 04/25/2002
i'll bet this thread dies a slow excruciating death {G} hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | | | | | RE: well at least its better than being PROBED! -- Bill, 04/26/2002
When one is an AMBASSADOR one is above being PROBED. |
| blowin smoke, can you help me? -- rkutzner, 04/22/2002
What could be the problem if my 1968 428 engine is equally blowing a small amount of whitish smoke evenly out both tailpipes, and some out the valve cover breathers? Is that because there's too much positive crankcase pressure and what could cause that to start happening? The engine was out this winter to get cleaned up and got a new oil pump and harmonic balancer (timing is also quesitonable at this point). Could too much advance cause blowby past the rings. Didn't have any problems before. |
| | Yeah - first thing to do is check breather & PCV. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/22/2002
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| | | I'm running two breathers, is that a problem? -- rkutzner, 04/22/2002
Also running 10W-30, should I go thicker since it's an older unrebuilt engine. |
| | RE: blowin smoke, can you help me? -- Bill, 04/25/2002
do you have a pcv and is it working? A faulty pcv would definitely account for the breather smoke. Start with the premise that ALL engines have blowby to some degree or another. With no pcv that blowby will come out of the breathers.
The tailpipe smoke is a bit more complicated. Could be rings or valve stem seals to name a couple. Diagnosis kinda depends on what mode of operation the engine is in when it is happening.
I had a machine shop accidently leave the valve stem seals off of a set of heads once. They smoked nicely. I was not happy.
More info needed here. |
| | | RE: blowin smoke, can you help me? -- John, 04/25/2002
White smoke is usually from moisture, such as coolant (internal cooling system leak) or moisture build-up (improper crankcase ventilation) where blue smoke is from oil burning and black smoke from an excessively rich mixture. How much have you run the engine since it was put back in the car? It might be moisture from storage that will burn off after about 10 or 20 miles. Head gaskets or block or head casting failures can do this also. A leaking intake manifold gasket can cause a similiar problem. No doubt an engine teardown would reveal the problem, but for now remove the valve covers and look for water droplets or a whitish yellowish scum on the inside of the valve covers. This will confirm the moisture problem. Check the PCV system also. And as Bill says, tell us more....like; Is it worse when it first starts up? Does it go away when you accelerate?...etc. |
| | | | Thanks guys, it's gone away! -- rkutzner, 04/28/2002
I'm going to hook up my PCV anyways. Took about 2 hours of runtime to clear it up, must have been a combo of being out all winter (I like to drive them all year) and being spun on the stand a few times (who knows were all the liquid ended up!). |
| | | | Help me too, John? -- Lane66, 11/26/2005
I also have this smoking problem. Mine does not smoke on start up or idle but does puff a cloud of white smoke when the throttle is burped say (2500rpm). It will do the same smoke trick when cruising at hiway speed the abrubtly letting of the throttle. The exhaust smells very rich but the smoke doesn't look black to me. Closer to white. Can you help? |
| | | | | RE: Help me too, John? -- John, 11/27/2005
Well...if I knew the answer, then mine wouldn't do the same thing....LOL. White smoke from water is very thick and white. If what you have is like mine, it is more gray-white. I think it might me from too much accelerator pump shot. If I burp the throttle like you do, I get the smoke. If I do it again a few seconds later, I get less smoke, sometimes none. It's as if I burned off any residual/excess fuel in the intake manifold. The odd part of your problem, is getting smoke on de-acceleration. It may be from the extra gas sucked in from the increased vacumn when you let off the throttle. Or could be from a bit of oil being sucked down the exhaust valves. Oil won't produce blue smoke unless it is burnt, so if it gets down the exhaust valves, it could come out gray. For example, if it were rings, it would be blue. I think extra fuel is the most likely cause. I"m not worried about it, it's merely embarassing. |
| Heat exchanger for`68 428. -- MIKE, 04/22/2002
the above was an option for `68 428`s and I`m trying to locate one for a clone I`m putting together.I`m told that the 429-460 P.I engine uses an identical set-up;anyone have any info on this? |
| | A standalone oil or P/S fluid cooler set-up? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/22/2002
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| | | A standalone oil or P/S fluid cooler set-up? [n/m] -- MIKE, 04/22/2002
no;however I may get the old part #`s if that helps.Thanx! |
| | RE: Heat exchanger for`68 428. -- MIKE, 04/23/2002
Me again!the part #`s i mention above are;s7ms-6653-a(heat exchanger);s8ms-6a653-a(connector):and some hoses and stuff. Availability and prices, anyone? thanx!. |
| | | Um....that's an oil cooler, as I wrote before. And its rare, too. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/23/2002
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| | | | RE: Um....that's an oil cooler, as I wrote before. And its rare, too. [n/m] -- MIKE, 04/24/2002
It does what an oil cooler does,yes:but it does in a different way.I got a picture of one used on the 429-460 and it doesn`t look like a rad-style cooler.It consists of a long tube that ciculates coolant in on end and out the other end.A line passes through the tube (isolated from the coolant!)and oil passes through this line. I think the idea here is that a narrow temp range is maintained rather than a lowering of oil temp.Is this anything like the above as on the FE engine?Thanx! |
| | | | | RE: Um....that's an oil cooler, as I wrote before. And its rare, too. [n/m] -- Gerry Proctor, 04/24/2002
http://www.shelbyparts.com/ and http://www.cobraaccessories.com/ since it's a Shelby part #. An oil cooler is a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger is a generic term for any device that, well...exchanges heat energy regardless of the transfer medium. That it is thermostatically controlled doesn't chage what it cools.
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| | | | | | RE: Um....that's an oil cooler, as I wrote before. And its rare, too. [n/m] -- MIKE, 04/25/2002
Thanx,Gerry! Unfortunatly,we seem to be getting sidetracked on the issue of semantics here. As I said earlier, I`m building a GT 500KR clone: it is ,in effect, the car that I would have bought if I had been around in 1968.With that in mind,it seems to me that a contemporary oil cooler would look out of place in the engine bay of a 1968 automobile.Having said all this,do you know how I can aquire said heat exchanger? Or, barring that, some good quality photographs of one?Again, thanx for your help! P.S. If you`re reading this,thanx Mister F! |
| | | | | | | i realize the book calls it a heat exchanger but.. -- hawkrod, 04/25/2002
you will have more luck asking for an oil cooler as that is how they are usually referred to. they used to be available reproduction but i do not see them in my catalogs (the 69/71 oil cooler is though) the later 71 and newer water type oil coolers were never used on the performance cars just the police and heavy duty vehicles. the 69/71 cobra jets and boss oil coolers were air cooled and mounted in front of the radiator. these will fit on a 68 and can be purchased through companies like NPD (look under oil cooler in the catalog) but the block adapter for an FE is tough to find. there are also several avtermarket styles available that closely approximate the old style and for a clone they should be fine. but now the other shoe drops.... to my knowledge the oil cooler wasn't used on the KR, only on the GT500. while a few might have had it as an option installed by a dealer, i can not ever remember seing an original car with one on it and the original shelby parts list supports that because the oil cooler is shown for GT500 only and not KR. hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | i just reread your posts and realized..... -- hawkrod, 04/25/2002
you are looking for the water type. ford used those on the mid 70's police and heavy duty units. they are also used on mid 80 orange cars and they look similar enough to use. hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | well, that is a dry type and a fake could .... -- hawkrod, 04/26/2002
easily be put together. the adapter from a late model 302 police unit looks almost identical and lines are easy as you get them made to spec. the cooler itself is an old aftermarket item and i am sure shelby just sourced them from a parts catalog. i have seen units that look like that on trucks and motorhomes. hawkrod |
| | | | | | | | RE: This depicts the Shelby unit you're looking for... -- MIKE, 04/26/2002
BINGO!! That`s EXACTLY the info I was looking for: I know now where to look and I know what it looks like if I have to manufacture one. Thanx guys! If you`re ever in this neck of the woods, the `rounds are on me! MIKE |
| | | | | | | | | You're welcome. Might take you up on that, sometime. ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/27/2002
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| | | | | | | | | | RE: You're welcome. Might take you up on that, sometime. ;-) [n/m] -- MIKE, 04/29/2002
P.S. Forgot to mention that I live in Winnipeg,Manitoba,Canada! Make sure you pack your long-johns;the weather `s been lousy latetly! Again, thanx!. |
| | | | | | | | | | | In that case, make it an Irish Coffee. ;-D [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/29/2002
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| Crites headers -- SDP, 04/22/2002
Anybody out there used the Crites headers on a 65 390 Galaxie? If so how did they fit? Curious before I lay down the cash...................................... |
| | RE: Crites headers -- Mike McQuesten, 04/23/2002
Just wanted to say that if Charles Crites' headers are of the same quality as his fiberglass reproductions, they should be good. I used his T-bolt style glass hood and a rear bumper for my '61 Starliner. The fit was right. They're high quality. Crites emphasizes quality and he stands up for and behind his parts. My hood was damaged in shipping. Charles remimbursed me and then he went after the trucking co.
Good company in my opinion. Charles Crites was the originator/president/head honcho of the Performance Ford Club of America for many years. Knows his stuff. |
| extreme heat -- Mike, 04/20/2002
Heat, Heat, Heat...OK guys. Maybe you can help me. 10 years ago I had my 428 SCJ rebuilt. It was bored from standard to .30 over. Since the rebuild, it has ran hot and has progressively gotten hotter as time went on. I have done all the standard heat solving problems solutions as you guys would have. Starting with the easiest to the most extreme now. They are: ALL NEW STUFF: Flow Cooler water pump, huge custom made Griffin radiator, new hoses, new carburator adjusted and running normal, heads checked and reworked valve job, all new exhaust system, electric fan, 7 blade manual fan too, new splitfire plugs, new thermostat, 160 thermostat, and NO thermostat. Accell Distributor checked, recurved, and shows great on scope, set at 10-12 degrees at 26-34 dwell, burning 76 high octane gas, brakes not dragging, C-6 transmission good with its' serperate cooler, drag pack oiler cooler functioning, ran straight water, 50/50, and pure antifreeze, different oils...10-40..20-50 and synthetics and standards, prolong additive, wetter water additive. All these things have not helped the heating problem.. Thermometer in the radiator shows in excess of 230 degrees and climbing. Radiators perculates after shut off. All new top end gaskets and all water jackets clear.Some have suggested that the motor may have factory "CORE SHIFT" which when bored to .30 the walls between the cylinders and the wter jackets are too thin. The motor was oulled out and sonic checked. The cylinder walls sonic check at .60,000 to 90,000 at some cylinders. Machine shop says this is too thin.. Is this right? Does this make sense? Have I missed anything? Please advise. |
| | RE: extreme heat -- John, 04/20/2002
The only time I ever have this problem (not due to things you've already replaced, like the rad, etc.) is when the water jackets of the block and heads are filled with a build up of rust, etc. And of course this gets worse as time goes on, as in your case. Did you have the block and heads seriously hot-tanked when it was rebuilt? And did you know a lot of stuff doesn't come out until everything dries out...up to a couple of weeks after hot tanking?
On the other hand, you might just be running to lean a mixture. |
| | | RE: extreme heat -- Mike, 04/22/2002
Both the block and heads were hot-tanked and completely gone thru to no avail. The only thing the machine saw was that the cylinder walls were too thin and they feel that that is causing the problem. Thanks for the help. Mike. |
| | RE: extreme heat -- Bob, 04/20/2002
0.060 or even 0.090 is too thin in my opinion and the cause of your problem.
I have done the following to a running engine to pin the problem down. I installed a electronic temperature gauge, rotatary switch and several sending units. The gauge could be connected to any of the sending units via the switch. I had sending units at the water pump inlet at the bottom radiator hose, the back of the block down by the culinders on the drivers side, at the front of the manifold behind the thermostat, and in front of the thermostat by the upper radiator hose. |
| | | RE: extreme heat -- Mike, 04/22/2002
I agree...since I have tried everything else. The cylinder walls are too thin to dissipate the heat. Thanks for your info. Mike |
| | | | RE: extreme heat -- John, 04/22/2002
I don't want to be arguementative, but cylinder walls that are too thin causing overheating? This just doesn't make any sense to me at all. And what about it getting worse over time? Did you know that many street rodders half fill the water jackets with block cement for added rigidity and don't suffer from overheating? And cement certainly isn't a good conductor of heat. If you are certain that the block and heads are clean, and that the cooling system is in working order, then too lean a mixture might be it. Fuel restrictions in the carb, fuel pump, filter etc might cause this problem. I doubt ignition timimg will cause the problem unless you always run at full throttle. By the way, running with no thermostat can lead to overheating as the coolant travels through the engine too fast to absorb the heat (At least that's what the theorists say). A proper working cooling system should take care of improper engine tuning, hard use, etc. I still think you have something wrong with the cooling. Leaking head gaskets will also do it. As far as percolating after the engine turns off, my 428 temp gauge reads very high when I go to start the car if I've previously been driving it. The heat builds up as it has no where to go. Also, experts say that your oiling system has more to do with cooling the engine than the radiator/cooling system. Have you done any mods that would cause a lack of airflow around the pan? Anyway, good luck figuring it out. I hope it's not the "thin cylinder walls" as that is the most expensive fix I can think of. |
| | RE: extreme heat -- John, 04/20/2002
I would suspect that thin cylinder walls would, if anything, allow a better transfer of heat to the coolant. Water conducts heat better than iron, so if you have less iron.....Besides, if you have a core shift problem, ...it all averages out...thin on one side, thick on the other. Despite what you say about the water jackets being "clear", I very much suspect they have a rust build-up that is the problem. See?...thicker cylinder walls (due to rust) cause overheating, not thinnner |
| | RE: extreme heat -- hawkrod, 04/21/2002
have you degreed the balancer? i have seen many balancers that had a slipped outer ring so the engine runs with retarded timing. pull plug number one and bring it up to TDC and then look and see where the timing mark is. also check to make sure the dist advance mechanism is working. retarded timing will heat an engine up and keep it warm. hawkrod |
| | RE: extreme heat -- Dave, 04/21/2002
Mike have you tried giving it a little more fuel? My 428 (out of a 66 T-Bird) ran hot with an Edelbrock 750. Put the Holley back on, jetted to 80 in front, 83 secondaries and it cooled off considerably. Mines running with a 180 therm. now. |
| | | RE: extreme heat -- Mike, 04/22/2002
I will try that also,and the plugs look pretty good but I will also check this out. Thanks Mike. |
| | RE: extreme heat -- Craig, 04/24/2002
I feel your pain.
I'm going through exactly the same thing with my 61 bird conv 390. I give up.
I have tried everything! the dame thing keeps overheatiing and percolating out. I've tried everything you have. I even went to the junkyard to see if I mounted the fan backwards!
I only went 30 over on a standard 390. If anyone can solve it they're better than me. |
| Someone want to tell me what... -- kevin, 04/20/2002
hits on a Fairlane tri-power set up? I dont recall having any problems in the past. I had many dual four set ups on different ones over the years without having to do anything for clearance. After seeing a previous thread mention the need for a different hood, I have to wonder about it. If Med & low Risers fit, why not tri-power? |
| Quench Clearance -- Dallas Fridley, 04/19/2002
I heard this term for the first time today. Can anyone fill me in on what it is?
Thanks in Advance
Dallas |
| | RE: Quench Clearance -- Martin Edridge, 04/19/2002
It is the distance between the top of the piston (flat part) and the corresponding area of the cylinder head when it is bolted to the block. Keeping this distance to about .040" is generally accepted as being ideal for steel-rod street and mild race engines with a limit of about 6000-6500 rpm. Higher rpm engines or those with aluminum rods need more to allow for the 'growth' and to avoid contact. The idea is that as the piston rises on the comp stroke it gets very close to the head and the air/fuel mix from that area is 'squished' out across the chamber, helping the combustion process by inducing swirl and evacuating end gasses from the area furthest away from the spark plug (ignition initiation point) The upshot of all this in case you are wondering is that you can usually build an engine with slightly higher compression than normal and avoid detonation. It is said that if an engine is just tipping into detonation at, say, 10:1 with good quench (.040") then putting thicker gaskets in to drop the compression will actually make things worse due to the loss of good quench clearance. Try to think of it as having a custard slice in your palm and slapping it with your other hand. The custard flies out! Hope this explains a bit for you. Cheers, Martin. |
| | | RE: Quench Clearance Hot Flash! -- Ray, 04/20/2002
Once the gasses slow down or stall because there's a lack of quench area, you develop hot spot which turns into preignition or detonation . This can happen with too much timing as well, in combination it will turn engine into a disaster.
The only relief is to backoff the timing, It turns it into real dead horse in a hurry. Quench is good, If you have a .040 gasket and your piston is .025 in the hole, It's time to deck the block or use a .018 steel shim gasket. |
| | | | RE: 'Hot Flash!'...is that a pun? -- Kevin66, 04/20/2002
So how does this relate to emissions reduction? We know that in the early 70's, Ford RAISED the deck height on most of the motors. In cases like the 351C, they opened up the combustion chamber to virtually eliminate the quench area as we knew it. |
| | | | | RE: 'Hot Flash!'...is that a pun? -- Dallas Fridley, 04/20/2002
Thanks for the lesson guys.
Dallas |
| | | | | Due to the lower octane's.... -- kevin, 04/20/2002
"reaction" being much faster, they need more cavity for combustion to get the time for the rod angle to become more effective, not to mention the smaller duration needed for less emissions. It all goes hand in hand to work. |
| | | | | RE: 'Hot Flash!'...is that a pun? -- Ray Tirri, 04/20/2002
The HP and gas mileage was asolutely terriable, it took twice as much fuel to do same amount of work. They were lean, timing sometimes was 'o' degrees. It was cleaner, but not much. Engineers at that time were just trying to pacifie the goverment as far as omussions go. Most auto companys have come back with 10 to 1 high swiral combustion and a lot more quench area. At the time the thinking was open chambers were better for flow making more HP. Yes and no! when you lose all the positives from quench area it's much more beneficial to have it than not. 'Flash' is a term that we use in racing when a engine burn it self down. Ray |
| | | | | | RE: 'Hot Flash!'...is that a pun? -- Bob, 04/20/2002
The reduced quench area was an attempt to reduce the nitrious oxide part of the emissions problem by reducing the peak temperature. I think it hurt more than it jhelped but thats JMO. |
| | | | | | | RE: 'Hot Flash!'...is that a pun? -- Bill, 04/25/2002
Never use the words "Hot Flash" around a man as old as I am. :p |
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