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| Vac. line -- max, 12/20/2001
71 cougar with 351c, the hose from the air breather vac. door , i can't find the connection for it , can you help me?? |
| C6AE-R vs. C3AE-D..Yin and Yang or Salt and Pepper -- Jim, 12/20/2001
Poor Man's CJ large intake, small exhaust head versus Rich Man's Cobra head
C6AE-R versus C3AE-D
Which do you prefer?
Why?
What are the diffs?
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| | RE: C6AE-R vs. C3AE-D..Yin and Yang or Salt and Pepper -- Royce Peterson, 12/20/2001
Jim,
I like the C6AE-R because it can be used with stock exhaust manifolds in a unit body car. In a Galaxie or earlier full size Ford or Mercury I can install four header bolts per port, making leaks nearly impossible.
Royce Peterson |
| block identification HELP -- ken m, 12/19/2001
I have a fe with casting #C6ME on left side ,7A27 under oil filter adapter and a large W on right side .any idea's what it is ? |
| | It could be any 1967 FE or FT block. -- Dave Shoe, 12/19/2001
Since Ford apparently used the same patterns for the outside of the block from 1966-on, and stuffed the molds with mission-specific cores, the actual block can only be identified with dimension checks and a search for other markings.
You've most likely got a 390/410 car block, but it might be a 352, 428, 330FT, or 361/391FT. Checking the water gap between cylinders (or looking for a displacement number cast inside the water jacket) is a good way to narrow-down the intended application. Also, if the cranksaddle webs are the reinforced style, you can increase the probability of guessing the correct application. Markings on the flywheel surface (if any exist) can sometimes identify an engine block to a high-degree of probability, though don't be surprised to find a 427 sideoiler fanny misplaced onto an otherwise non-performance FE block casting - Ford apparently did this a lot.
Rumors also claim that an "X" in the lifter galley means the block might have about 1.75% nickel and maybe a half percent of chrome added (probably with a slight reduction of silicon) to make it a little more impact resistant, though possibly at the cost of some tensile strength. If someone in the foundry converted the "X" in the galley into a snowflake, it's just another reuse of a performance marking in a non-performance situation.
What markings are on the rear of the block? Can any numbers be seen inside the water jacket area?
Shoe. |
| What is the major componet to making power -- mikeb, 12/19/2001
as far as heads go? The CJ heads have a little bigger ports, but is that the major difference? The slightly larger ports and valvesshouldn't make that much difference it seems. Thanks for the education guys |
| | Size isn't all that matters -- Dan Davis, 12/19/2001
Put simply, an engine is only an air pump. The more air that can go into the cylinder will make that much more power. Every little bit helps.
However, port shape has as much to do with it as size. Air doesn't like to turn corners, so big ports with a dog leg are virually useless (look at a 429CJ or 351C-4V exhaust port for extreme examples).
Ford's intake ports are historically very good. The weakness is on the exhaust side. It's not that the engineers didn't know what they were doing. The problem was the chassis configuration. The use of a spring on top of the control arm lead to narrow engine compartments. This lead to limitations for the exit angle of the exhaust port. In turn, this lead to the unbalanced heads we have to deal with -- much more intake flow than exhaust. FYI, unbalanced means that the exhaust flow is less than ~85% of the intake flow.
I'll stop now as I could go on for about an hour, but that would bore everybody.
Cheers, Dan |
| | | RE: Size isn't all that matters -- mikeb, 12/19/2001
thanks for the info. Seems like when the FE was first out, chassis configuration shouldn't have hurt none, as it looks like there is plenty of room in the Galaxies, etc. Seems like I read somewhere one time that Ford didn't have a college educated engineer designing their engines until the late 50"s (maybe FE was the First?) Prior to this, it was tinker'ers thanks |
| | | Bore us Dan,,,,,PLEASE n/m -- Jim, 12/20/2001
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| | | | OK, what subject? [n//m] -- Dan Davis, 12/20/2001
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| | | | | RE: OK, what subject? [n//m] -- Bob, 12/20/2001
Well, this thread is about heads and ports so here's my 2 cents. And then give me your thoughts on my comments.
Dan is right about port size.
The second thing about these heads that make them different from the standard 390 head is the valve face/seat angle. The CJ head has a 30 degree intake valve face/seat which helps air flow at low lift but hurts high lift flow. But the CJ cam does not have the valve open at high lift for very long so the face angle becomes a non-issue with the stock cam. Valve seat/face angle has a impact that is dependent on valve lift. With a high lift after market cam changing to a 45 degree face (and seat) usually increases high lift air flow and decreases low lift air flow. (The standard 45 degree face is best for durability.)
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| | | | | | High lift / low lift air flow -- Travis Miller, 12/20/2001
If 45 degree seats vs 30 degree seats effect flow, where does the point defining high lift and low lift fall? It would seem that the amount of time spent at each high lift and low lift (in degrees of duration) could determine which seat angle one would want to use on their heads. Or could there be a better seat angle somewhere between 30 and 45? |
| | | | | | Good Subject...What about triple cuts too? n/m -- Jim, 12/20/2001
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| | | | | | | RE: Good Subject...What about triple cuts too? n/m -- Bob, 12/21/2001
I didn't do the testing but on this or another FE Forum this topic was discussed and several Edelbrock FE heads with 30 degree intake seats were changed to 45 degree seats and the consensus was that for cams with more that .550 lift the 45 degree seat was best. The difference was noticed at lifts of .400 and greater but the total time that the valve was open that much was not very long if the total lift was less than .550.
The reason why the 30 degree seat works better at low lift was not really discussed. I think that there are two reasons. The first is that the effective valve opening is slightly higher with the 30 degree seat so with a lower total lift (and duration) this makes a bit of a difference. And the second reason that the airflow drops at higher lifts for the 30 degree seat is due to the air flow having to make a bit more of a turn for the 30 degree seat compared to the 45 degree seat.
Double and triple back cuts were used by some. I would think that the lift/duration and seat angle could be matched for optimal flow. The problem is that you would have to do a lot of testing to find the optimal seat angle for any give cam. Then there is the question of how it actually works on a running engine so a second set of tests would have to be made to confirm/validate the head airflow results. |
| | | | | | | | RE: Good Subject...What about triple cuts too? n/m -- Mario428, 12/23/2001
Last winter I had my machine work done at a shop that races a record setting Super Stocker and Comp Eliminator car. The guy who runs the shop has the Comp car and is now using 55 deg seats on his intake valve. He did not mention the exhaust so I assume it is still 45. He has a 10400 chip in his limiter so the valve lift must be extreme and the open time over the .400 lift quite long. He did not tell me his rocker ratios but I have seen that the Pro Stock are at 2.0 -1 ratio and using valvelifts over 1.00. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Good Subject...What about triple cuts too? n/m -- Bob, 12/23/2001
Well that's intreresting to know! What size engine and valves? |
| | | | | | | | | | RE: Good Subject...What about triple cuts too? n/m -- Mario428, 12/24/2001
The engine is I think about 150-170 cubes of Pontiac 4 cyl and I think small block chev valve sizes, 2.15 intake and a 1.65 exhaust, the oversize intake made more power than trying to get a smaller intake and bigger exhaust valve in. He still uses a Pontiac head but there was a SB1 head there that another guy uses on the same motor. I am a bracket racer but this guy lives in a whole different world of racing than I do. |
| Compression ratio on stock '67 410 -- BOYD, 12/19/2001
I had my block bored 30 over and had my heads resurfaced but not milled. I'm trying to get to about 10 to 10 1/2 to 1. I'm using stock cast pistons. I took my heads and pistons to a different machine shop to get the heads done to achieve this but they had two different books, one says 8:2 to 1 and the other says 10:5 to 1 for stock piston and heads. Does anyone know the right C/R? |
| clutch linkage -- dan, 12/18/2001
Installing 390 in 66 Fairlane with FPA headers and am experiencing clearance problems. Has anyone else fit FPA headers? What is the best idea for modifying the linkage? Any thoughts appreciated. |
| Setting rockers on 390 -- MQ, 12/18/2001
I have a 390 engine and the manual indicates how to "adjust" the rockers. Since there is no rocker arm adjustment they compress the hydraulic lifter and put a "feeler" under between the rocker and valve. The picture looks like a simple step "stick". I have called 1 800 rotunda and they could not find anything. If I can get the thickness of this, I can fabricate one. The part number in the manual for this tool is T65L-6565-A it also references it as Ford part number "TOOL 6565" and replaced by 6565. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. After decking the block and heads I KNOW the rods are the wrong length (I am betting .030 - .060 shorter).
If there is another way that can accurately determine the pushrod length requirement - let me know!
Please help,
M. |
| | RE: Setting rockers on 390 -- Ray Tirri, 12/18/2001
If the lifters are new or oil free it's fairly easy to set the clearance with a channel locks, if there loaded with oil find or make a tool . This is a very important operatioms of the build, this will correction some maching height problems that you might incur. I have found that some of the new replacement lifters are also a problem, they don't have enough built in clearance or plunger travel. If you think you have a 0.100" of room you don't. Keep the clearance to work with at 0.030 on the low side and no more than 0.100 of clearance on the high side, which means you only have .070 to work with your push rods. Ray |
| | | RE: Setting rockers on 390 -- mq, 12/18/2001
I made such a tool to compress the rocker down on the lifter to compress it but was unable to move it at all! I fear that I have bottomed out the lifters and even .060 under will not give me enough clearance. I have seen in other places that I should have .070 - .080 on a feeler gauge between the rocker and the valve top when it is compressed. Does this make sense? |
| | RE: Setting rockers on 390 -- Ray, 12/19/2001
You have to make sure your at the back side of the of the cam not on the lobe!. Rotate the engine untill the rocker comes off the lobe, and then give it another half a turn more, and then check your clearance. |
| anyone here know how to decode a 64 galaxie -- mikeb, 12/18/2001
data plate? thanks |
| | how to decode a 64 galaxie -- Henry Ford, 12/18/2001
list the tag and well help you decode it... Henry Edsel Ford |
| Adjustable Hydraulic Valvetrain -- S. W. Eissele, 12/17/2001
I am building a 428 SCJ with Edelbrock Performer heads and intake. I am using Lunati camshaft #00053 with .514/.514 lift, 223 duration @ .050. Using stock Ford 1.76 adjustable rockers with aftermarket pushrods that measured 9.250 end to end. The adjustment screws were almost all the way down to get proper lifter preload. I then tried a set of stock Ford pushrods at 9.350 length, with very nearly the same result. I would have to go almost .200 longer to get the adjusting screw anywhere near the center of it's travel. I've been told this combo usually requires shorter pushrods if anything. Any ideas out there? |
| | What are those blue things? n/m -- Jim, 12/17/2001
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| | | Looks like a metal plate used... -- Dan Davis, 12/17/2001
...to block off the remains of the original exhaust port. These heads have had the exhaust port raied ala Pro Stock 351C heads of the early/mid 70's.
Cheers, Dan |
| | | | RE: Looks like a metal plate used... -- Travis Miller, 12/17/2001
They are useless without the intake and headers. In fact they may be useless with the extra parts. Isn't it amazing how some people can butcher good pieces. Just wonder what was paid to build the heads, intake and headers. And then how good did the engine run? RPM range was probably from 8000 up to 10000. |
| | | | | RE: 8000 to 10000 rpms?! -- Jim, 12/17/2001
Now we are talking FE revs. Bring on those small block Chebbys that blow my doors off at the strip!
I can make 10,000 rpm headers. Anybody got a tunnel ram intake laying around? |
| | 427 tunnel port NASCAR heads -- kk5ye, 12/17/2001
Made only a couple of years for NASCAR. It was the last head design for the 427 until the BOSS 429 was ready.
The push rod goes right through the intake port, strickly high RPM ( about 7000 for NASCAR).
Ford made a 302 version in 68, but the power band was too high for Trans-Am racing and were replaced by the BOSS 302 in 69.
The exhaust port mods greatly reduces their value. |
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