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| Water Pump Gasket -- Darren, 10/04/2001
I know this sounds dump but it's been so long since I took off the pump. Damn back orders form Edlbrok. I don't remeber. Is there a gasket that goes between the block and the water pump. |
| | RE: Water Pump Gasket -- Royce Peterson, 10/04/2001
Yup. Two of 'em. |
| 410 engine -- MustangRacer'67, 10/04/2001
Has anyone here made a 410 engine from a 390 block? Can anyone reccomend a good source for forged 410 pistons? Thanks for the help. |
| | RE: 410 engine -- BOYD, 10/04/2001
I know Ross has them for a little over $600. Check them out at rosspistons.com.Also search through some older posts with "410" there were some other manufacturers listed a while back. |
| | RE: 410 engine -- Paul M, 10/05/2001
Making a 390 into a 410 is as simple as using a 428 crank and flex plate, and your forged pistons, if thats what you prefer.
Napa stocks cast 410 pistons, sometimes on the shelf. (My 2 bits worth)
Just don't forget to rebalance everything, and resize the rods, if you don't use the rods from the 428 crank. (some will say resize anyways- matter of preference, I guess) |
| | | RE: 410 engine -- John, 10/05/2001
Ford Power Parts sell the pistons...somwhere around $350 I think...and in 30 and 40 thousandths over and in 3 different compression ratios. They are a TRW forged unit, reworked by FPP, and of very high quality. Good Luck on getting speedy delivery though, |
| More RPM from my 390 -- Ian Dobson, 10/03/2001
I know this sounds like an incredibly stupid question but here goes :)
I have a 69 Mustang with a 390GT? 4 speed in it.
this is what it has as far as know. Holley 750 DBL Pump ford alum. dual plane cam I think is't a SIG Erson High Flow 2 and its 25 years old :( Pistons I believe they are cast flat top beasties 10.5/1 Hooker Super comp Headers. 3.50 Gears Traction-lok diff
Car runs 13.2 @ 102 MPH and doesn't seem to generate power above 4500RPM, so thats where I shift it at, I'd like to get an extra 3 10ths of a sec before I consider more radical additions.
What should a 390 rev to and still make power, I mean it revs no problem to 5500 RPM but shifting at 5000 RPM the car is a little slower.
Do I have a problem, or maybe is it possible that my cam is worn down and thats why I have nothing above 4500RPM?
and the million dollar question.... what could I try cheaply to make it faster :)
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| | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Ray, 10/03/2001
Cheap and dirty ! try changing springs. Everybody has- um. Stay away from cheap when it comes to springs, most of the old type will not last long under heavy use. You'l see and feel a big difference, get something with a spring rate of 125 pounds closed X 350 open @ 1.850 installed height, you should improve your time. Ray P.S. When I was sprint car racing, I changed springs every 6 or 7 shows, when power started going down, same difference with yours. |
| | | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Mel Clark, 10/04/2001
I think Ray nailed it. On "Test and Tune " night you might also make a really hard run to max rpm and shut off the engine while coasting off the strip. Then check the float bowl(s) to see if they are full, if they are low buy an electric fuel pump. You could just buy a fuel pressure gage and get the same info. In any case you are doing lots of things right to run 13.2s with a near stock 390. Be Proud! The next step should be some gears, 4.10 or 4.30s are about right to get mid 12s based on the times you are already getting. |
| | | | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Ian Dobson, 10/04/2001
Thanks, I have an electric fuel pump, and I Had a 4.11 Detroit Locker in it about 2 months ago.
It ran a 14.2 on slicks with the 4.11's @95Mph when not clunking around the corners :( and it ran a 14.01 3 weeks before that with the stock 3.00 gears no posi and street tires @ 112mph, pretty awfull 60ft time though.., thats why I thought I'd try the 3.50 gears, that seemed to help lots.. I think I'll check into the valve springs though, I'm sure that they were really good springs 25 years ago though :)
I'd just like to get my car running in the 12's before the end of the year, then I'll be happy :) |
| | | | | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Darren, 10/04/2001
Once you change the springs you'll be getting more power and will be able to handle the extra traction off slicks and posi. |
| | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- BOB HOPKINS, 10/04/2001
Have you checked what the dist. 's advance curve and what is the total advance? What are you runnung for dist and coil and,points /elect? |
| | | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Ian Dobson, 10/04/2001
Well The Distributor was a single point beast, but I converted it to electronic a couple of months ago, as far as the curve goes, and the total advance, I have no idea. And the coil is an Accel Supercoil. |
| | | | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Mel Clark, 10/10/2001
The only reason for your car to go slower with slicks and a tighter gear is; 1. too much air in the slicks and you had too much slippage or; 2. too little air in the slicks and you had more traction than your engine could provide power for. These are critical areas much like engine tuning and it takes several runs to get close to the potential that your car has when running slicks. When I raced a '57 Fairlne 500 with a low riser 427 I ran 4.83 or 5.14 gears with 9" Goodyear slicks, 26.5" diameter and was turning 11.9 elapsed times at 118 mph. My slicks got stolen and before I could recover them I cut my fenders and used a friends 14' X 32" funny car slicks and the tire growth slowed me into the mid to high 13s. The tire growth changed my gear ratio dramatically, I only made about 3 runs and gave up in disgust. Ruined a beautiful car too. |
| | | | | RE: More RPM from my 390 -- Ian Dobson, 10/11/2001
Well it has the same slicks now with 3.50 gears and it is faster.
I think it is mostly to do wht the fact that my car makes good power up to 4500 RPM but above that it falls on its face.
With 4.11 gears I was hitting about 5000 RPM at the finish line (somewhere around there anyway) and there just wasn't any power there.
Its not missing or anything like that, its just not making power. with the 3.0 gears I'm doing like 4200 RPM at the finish line and there is lots of power still, and with 3.50 gears its doing about 4500 at the finish, which seems about right for now, but not what I wan't, i need more power :) Traction is still a bit of a problem, with slicks and 3.3 or 4.11 gears I'm averaging a 2.0 60' time with street tires and 3.0 gears it was 2.4, I did a 1.8 once on slicks but it was hot and they had just VHT'd the track.
I've tried different tire pressures in the slicks but the car seems to run faster the harder they are, even though I get a little wheelspin. I'm starting to think that my traction-lok isn't working very well though, I've noticed a few one wheel burnouts and I'm miffed about that as its just been rebuilt. I'd like a locker, but not a clunky detroit locker as I always thought that I had a broken axle every time I turned the corner :) |
| 2x4 Edelbrock 'Cross Ram' manifold info ? -- Larry McSweeney, 10/03/2001
Hi guys...first post. I have been reading this forum for 12 mnths now and have learnt a lot about my 428 cj. thank you all . Iam lucky to own a '69 mach 1..4 speed 3.25 t/lock. this engine is already fitted with an old edelbrock '390 performer' manifold...I have a 600...780...both vac sec. and a 650 d/p..holley. E ngine is stock as far as I can tell..have not pulled heads or sump as yet..have daul piont accell dist. long tube tri headers...recently I picked up an 'X-F66 Edelbrock'..dual quad... this manifold has the carbs side by side..not inline.(no carbs). this mach is to be used mainly for street cruising with the occasional street drags. thats the background..now the q's...is this manifold useless for street use?...if not totally.. any cam..gear..carb..info to help me get this mach going reasonably well..? any opinion would be appreciated...thanks guys.....Larry in Sydney... |
| | RE: 2x4 Edelbrock 'Cross Ram' manifold info ? -- Will, 10/03/2001
If you're talking strictly performance, you'd be better off with a good single 4 intake.
If you're talking cool shxt, the cross ram is about tops.
You may have problems closing the hood - I don't know. The x-ram sits pretty high.
The reports I've seen say the x-ram makes great power. It's just a hassle to tune two carbs. |
| | designed for mid-range, perfect for street. -- xram, 10/03/2001
and there is the coolness factor (below not an Edelbrock):
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| | | RE: designed for mid-range, perfect for street. -- Ray, 10/03/2001
Xram nice, who makes it? they are good mid range and very driveable. The one I had was a Mickey Thomson, do know of any others for a FE. Ray P.S. Here's my 'E' mail if you do. puudog@hotmail.com |
| | | | RE: designed for mid-range, perfect for street. -- Mel Clark, 10/04/2001
This is a Cross Ram that I got from Smokey Yunick about 30 years ago, note the engineering that went into it to enhance the flow. What is not shown is the Balsa wood "stuffers" that were different for various tracks and tuning requirements. The Cross Ram manifold is, as you can see here, a very specialized piece of equipment and requires a lot of thought before installing on a street car.
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| | | RE: designed for mid-range, perfect for street. -- Darren, 10/04/2001
Can you still get Manifolds like the one in the picture with the carbs set up side by side. If so Where can I get one. |
| | | | RE: designed for mid-range, perfect for street. -- Gerry Proctor, 10/04/2001
You see the Edelbrock and M/T crossrams all the time on Ebay. The M/T manifold requires a distributor adapter and a unique distributor to go with the manifold. If you buy just the manifold without the drive adapter and distributor, what you'll have is an interesting coffee table conversation piece. The Edelbrock has no special parts (other than the throttle linkage) that are necessary to bolt it on.
On to the larger issue through, neither of these manifolds are really suitable for a daily driver. They are both large-plenum manifolds that aren't designed to work in traffic. In Larry's case, I can't think of anything more profound than going from the small-port high velocity Performer 390 manifold to the crossram...other than perhaps deciding to mount Dominators on the crossram. |
| | RE: 2x4 Edelbrock 'Cross Ram' manifold info ? -- Larry McSweeney, 10/04/2001
thanks for your opinions guys...I will give it a go and see how well we can get it to run..There is a very experienced motor guy that has a roller dyno just down the road from my workshop...he is extremely good at sorting mech. problems..tuning carbs etc.. he road course races here in Sydney. If he has no luck with this setup... we will have a nice coffee table base! Manifold has good linkage setup already and is way smaller in the penulum than that smokey x-ram..!! have started to fiberglass mould my hood already ..no way will it close on this with air filters etc....a lot of work I know but fun all the same.....thanks...Larry |
| | RE: 2x4 Edelbrock 'Cross Ram' manifold info ? -- Ray, 10/04/2001
Good for you Larry, go for it ! Thats american spirit. Ray |
| | | RE: 2x4 Edelbrock 'Cross Ram' manifold info ? -- Mel Clark, 10/04/2001
Ray; I think that would be the Aussie spirit. I think Sydney is down under someplace. |
| | | | RE: 2x4 Edelbrock 'Cross Ram' manifold info ? -- Larry McSweeney, 10/05/2001
that's right Mel..Sydney is on the east coast of Australia..and is the capital city of the state of New South Wales. All the same... thank you Ray for your encourgement..I do have a great interest in your country..so much so my wife and I travel to the United States every year for our holidays..!! We picked up the mach 1 in '98 and shipped it back here to Aust. The registration laws changed here in Dec. '99..we do not have to convert steering to right side any more..!!.. all vechicles 30 years or older..ie 1970 and back can have full rego with original steer..left side . I was not going to change anyway and would have used 'CLUB REG.' this reg. only allows use on designated club outings.. which is obviously restrictive. have just started resto on this Q code..4 speed ..san jose ass.'d...will appreciate any help from you guys who are old hands with these fe's...thank you ...Larry in Australia...not Pennsylvania...! (CO. is our favourite state..hope that doesn't upset anyone...!) |
| 390 in a 1969 Falcon -- Wade Gross, 10/02/2001
I have a 390 and tranny out off a 64 Mentego. I know the engine will fit the compartment but does anyone know what kinda mounts I will need and if I will need to change the rear end? I'm also assuming i will need a new drive shaft because I don't think the 302 shaft will hold the power. I need a radiator as well. AS much money saving advise as possable would be nice since I am 17 and have little to no cash...lol but I do have an FE motor so it's all good right?? Thanks for any info |
| | A 1964 FE engine has the old-style block bosses. -- Dave Shoe, 10/02/2001
In 1965, Ford redesigned the FE with four bosses for bolting up the motor mounts. Prior to this, all FEs had two bolts holding each motor mount to the block.
It may be a challenge to mount the motor mounts to the engine with two of the expected mounting bosses missing. On the other hand, it might be doable, I dunno.
I suspect the 1969 Falcon uses 1967-70 style Mustang motor mounts and frame brackets. I don't know this with any reliability, but it's a direction to start looking. If my suspicion is true, all you need is Mustang frame mounts for a small block V8, as they are easily converted to big block mounts by redrilling five holes n them. Brand new FE insulators and "repro" FE engine plates are easy to find, too.
Crites Restoration has a great website with lots of hints for you. This site can answer questions that I'm only guessing at.
Shoe. |
| | Falcon GT -- Tim B, 10/03/2001
A 390 or 428CJ 68-69 Falcon GT would have been a great competitior for the 396 Nova SS of the same vintage. It was a missed opportunity in my opinion. I would make a great "phantom" Ford at the car shows. All the parts are there and as Royce pointed out, it's the same engine bay as the 66-67 Fairlane. Same frame shortened a few inches. The Aussie Falcon GT came later with a 351, another story.
Tim B 1969 XR7 428 CJR convertible http://members.aol.com/timbrands/index.html |
| | | RE: Falcon GT -- Mike McQuesten, 10/03/2001
Just a little more commentary to hopefully motivate Wade to do this project. A friend here in Spokane did this exact swap a number of years ago with a '67 Falcon. He made it real easy on himself when he found a ratty '67 Fairlane 390 GTA. The car was rusty/smacked on all fours. But the total powertrain was there. Literally everything bolted right into the former six popper '67 Falcon. Front suspension to the nine inch, springs, rotors...all of it. Curt still owns this car and it runs easy high twelves and is very streetable to this day. And as has been mentioned, bolting in a '64 and earlier block is very doable thanks to those plates that will allow. Charles Crites does make a mount for this exact conversion. It was done numerous times in the sixties. There were two '67 GT 390 (4 speeds) Mustangs running these streets with low riser 427/425 mills. Traction Bars were absolutely mandatory with this switch. They were needed with the stick FE stangs before but the 427 really put torque to the pavement. I saw one of the '67s run at the strip, the car was nearly new and he yanked the 390GT for the at that time readily available center oiler 427. It looked like a jack rabbit coming off the line. The announcer even nick named it that for that day. A few weeks later, he was back with under ride traction masters....much much better.
Also consider this....a '66/'67 Fairlane nose bolts right on a '66 - '69 Falcon. Crites offers the fenders, 427 hood, and bumper all in fiberglass. Now we're talking a short wheel base Fairlane with big block. Just a personal preference on my part but I think the Fairlane nose is an improvement. Something to think about for the future Wade. |
| | | | RE: Falcon GT -- Wade Gross, 10/03/2001
Thanks for the info... later on when I come across more monry a 577cu in 460 will be in it and I will probably swap front sheet metal....but does anyone here know Crites website and ifso could they let me know what it is |
| 390 vs 351C -- John, 10/02/2001
Well, my 390 in my F-100 threw a rod today. I was wondering about putting in a 351C, and what I would face. The 351 is out of n F-100, and is complete, so I don't have to worry about carb, intakes, etc. Would you mind sharing your thoughts? The present truck has p/s, A/C with a C-6 behind it. The 351 has a 4 speed. Thanks for your time and help. |
| | RE: 390 vs 351C -- Will, 10/03/2001
Two great engines. My opinion is that it's a personal choice issue. |
| | RE: 390 vs 351C -- John, 10/03/2001
Will: Thanks for your answer! I need one tiny, but critical piece of info: Is the transmission bolt pattern the same for a 390 and a 351? In other words, can I replace the 390 straight up with a 351? Or do I need to change the transmission as well? Thanks in advance for your knowledge. |
| | RE: 390 vs 351C -- John Sutton, 10/03/2001
You guys are giving some great advice. I appreciate the differing opinions especially, but what I need right now is the cheapest and easiest way to get the truck back on the road. To answer a couple of questions, it is a 351M for modified (?), in a 78 truck. I know it is out of the league here for the date, but will this M version bolt up just like the 390? I am getting conflicting info locally about interchangeability, so I need to hear from you all. Everything sure looks almost identical, down to the brackets and all. Thanks again! |
| | | RE: 390 vs 351C -- richard, 10/03/2001
think of the 351m/400 as a small 460(same bellhousing bolt pattern different mounts). you should be able to pick up a rebuilt short block for about 1000.00, freshen up your heads for about 300.00. |
| | | | RE: 390 vs 351C -- Mike McQuesten, 10/03/2001
Installing a 351M where an FE was can be done. You can put anything you want in that pickup's engine cavity. You will have to change transmissions and that's all there is to that. There's no way the C6 in your truck now will fit the 351M. Like Richard told you....think of it as a 460....actually a very poor subsitute for 429/460. You'll also find the bracketry for Power Steering, etc. to be different I believe.
It's my opinion, and I know you didn't ask but please let me share... I think the M in 351/400M really stood for Manure not Michigan or Modified.
Fix your FE. It'll go a lot easier unless you like to do things the hard way. And don't we all sometimes? |
| | | | | I had a 351M, had no power at all -- Steven J. Hylinski, 10/04/2001
I used to run a 351M in a 1978 Thunderbird. It was stock with the 2bbl carb. It ran great and didn't use a drop of oil, but that thing couldn't get out of its own way. It felt like driving a 4000lb car with a 4 cylinder engine. A 351M is the exact same motor as a 400M, but with a different crank and taller pistons. You could use hi compression 351C pistons and bush the small ends of your rods and end up with a 400 ci high compression motor. The 351/400M is basically a tall deck cleveland, so most cleveland components interchange. However, in stock form the 351M has very little power. Then again, during the time period that the 351M was used (late 70's/early 80's), I'm sure any other V8 had no power too because of emissions restrictions.
Cheers,
Steven J. Hylinski |
| | | | | | RE: I had a 351M, had no power at all -- Darren, 10/09/2001
I think you need a 400 Crank too. If I remeber right Ford ground Celevend cranks to make 400s and used 2 barrel Celevend heads. If your looking to get the best bang for the buck this would be it. 351M ran 8.0:1 compression and a 2 barrel that's why they had no power. If you can find a 400/351M Manifold to fit a 4 barrel and upp your compression to 90.:1 - 9.5:1 or higher if you don't mind buying 92 octane. |
| C4SE-9425-A 4v Intake - is it any good? -- Ted Young, 10/02/2001
I picked up a C4SE-9425-A intake with the oil filler tube. The ports in it are much taller then the ports on my C6AE "S" intake. Is the C4SE a good performaer as compared to other stock 4v iron intakes? What motor is it off of (it has a date code of Feb 12, 1964)? Will it match up well with C8AEH heads, or should I look for a set of pre-pollution '58-'65 heads? All of this will be going on a 67 Galaxie with a C-6.
Thanks, Ted |
| | All '58-'65 FE iron intakes are basically the same -- Dave Shoe, 10/02/2001
The iron intakes from 1958-1965 are all basically identical castings, except in detail.
There is some variation in the location of some of the drilled holes (vacuum, oil fill, etc), and the thermostat hole may be cast for either the small or the large diameter thermostat, depending on which car it was destined for, and the carb flange angle may be tilted a few degrees differently if it was machined for a Tbird or something. Otherwise, they all breathe the same.
Even the 2-barrel intake is the same as the 4-barrel - just the carb flange was cast differently.
This intake was modified in 1966 by necking down the runners as they mated with the heads. It became known as the "T"-marked intake. It was available in 2V and 4V form. It was aparently available until the FE was retired at the end of 1976.
If you are interested in performance, it's my personal opinion that it's not really worth swapping an iron intake for an iron intake, unless you've run across a 428CJ intake - as this is a uniquely great iron intake.
Feel free to mix-and match the early iron with the S-marked or the "T" marked intakes of the emissions era. I don't believe you'll see much difference, but it's always fun to experiment.
Shoe. |
| Here's some fun 428 Irrigation motor info. -- Dave Shoe, 10/01/2001
Ford apparently offered a 428 irrigation motor in Feb 1970, with slight mods to the engine in March 1971. Note that Ford appears to have also offered a derivative of this 428 industrial engine to the agricultural markets about this time, too.
The heads appear to resemble FT items more than any other, but the crank, rods, and pistons appear to be pure 428CJ. The block uses an FE distributor, so the distributor pilot hole does not need to be bushed if swapping into a car is the plan.
428 irrigation engines were apparently available only with a 2-barrel intake and propane/natural gas carburetors. The propane/natural gas carb was a single-barrel type, so it used an adapter to mount onto the 2-barrel intake. You can see the pressure regulator mounted to the valve cover of the attached picture. Note also the fuel pump blockoff plate for the engine.
Engine specs listed in the Ford Maintenance and Operators manual are the of a 428PI engine of years earlier. This is certainly false information. This engine has a 1964 vintage FT camshaft and small valve heads, so you can figure the continuous duty power numbers will be about 15 HP above an equivalently carbureted 391FT engine.
Though not listed anywhere in the tiny pamphlets I unearthed, the instinct horsepower specs (these are my imagined SAE gross HP nunbers per J245) are: Intermittent duty: 165HP@3200RPM(note: fake) Continuous duty: 135HP @ 2800RPM (note: fake).
Yes, I suspect peak HP is higher than these numbers, but I also suspect exceeding 4000 RPM would void the manufacturers warrantee.
Shoe.
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| | RE: Here's some fun 428 Irrigation motor info. -- Robert, 10/02/2001
I got the Ford Power Products parts master catalog for the 428 Irrigation engine and just having a quick glance at it, it looks like the crank and rods are 'normal' parts, but the block, heads, pistons and more have unique P/Ns. (Even that the basic design of course can be the same as a ,let's say, CJ part). If interested I can give You more info out of the catalog. |
| | | I think I've got that manual, too. -- Dave Shoe, 10/02/2001
I've got three pieces of 428 irrigation literature: 1) 428 irrigation maintenance and operators manual, Jan 1971 (small sized book, maybe 40 pages). 2) Engine arts list Feb 1970 (list and illustrations, 20 pages or so). 3) Engine parts list update March 1971 (half dozen pages).
I'm still very interested in anything related to the irrigation pump, the power unit (engine with radiator, exhaust, and chassis). My literature only pertains to the engine assy without radiator or exhaust, etc. Also, the engine operating specs (operating speed and power curves)are of interest to me. 361/391 irrigation stuff is also of interest
The pistons appear to be late 428CJ items, based on the description I've heard. They say "428 SUPER" on their sides, which means they are the SCJ-era "reinforced" cast Autothermic pistons. The Rods have CJ/PI bolts, and the crank is marked "A", which sounds like it's got the late CJ balance. I wonder whether the piston crown may have a modified dish, but I suspect not at this time. It looks as though Ford didn't budget muck money for printing the documentation, as I've noted short-cuts and typos in numerous places.
If you have some FE irrigation info to offer or sell, please feel free to email me. It was great to finally score the three pieces of info I just posted on.
Shoe. |
| | | Robert, What's the title of your catalog? -- Dave Shoe, 10/03/2001
Robert,
Now that I'm home, I checked the names on the catalog. You may have a different catalog than I do.
Could you give details on the title and size of the book? I'd appreciate it.
Thanks, Shoe. |
| | | | RE: Robert, What's the title of your catalog? -- Robert, 10/03/2001
Dave, sorry about the delay, we are in different time zones.
The title of the catalog is GASOLINE ENGINE 428 Cubic Inch Displacement Irrigation Engine
17 pgs plus covers (I assume it's the same as Yours) and the part number of the cat is IEO-194-165. Mine is printed in May 73. This catalog is included in the big Power Products Master Parts Catalog binder. It includes a whole lot of engines, unfortunately no 427 marine but 302/351/460 marine and 330-361-391 industrial engines (also the small handy 477/534...)
There is also a rumour over here that FEs or FTs were used in some New Holland harvesters. I'd guess FTs. In the late 80s a Ford dealer had a 69 Mustang 428CJ radiator, I don't have the P/N off hand, sitting in his obsolete stock. A farmer bought this becasue it looked the same as the busted radiator in his harvester and reported it was a perfect fit.(doesn't proove more than that the inlet/outlet pipes were at approx the same location and that the size was ok) The dealer didn't know what this radiator was all about. Later on the word came out and I think a CJ owner was able to talk the farmer into a trade deal on that radiator.
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| | | | | The New Holland TR-70 came with an FT engine. -- Dave Shoe, 10/03/2001
The Sperry+New Holland TR-70 "Twin Rotor" combine could be ordered with either an FT engine or a Caterpillar Diesel engine. There is also a Versatile 125 four wheel drive tractor which came with the FT engine. I've got literature and tech manuals on both.
I think I found a couple other agricultural aplications for the FT, but I can't remember them right now (I've gotta get my books organized someday).
As for other unusual applications of the FE, boat manufacturers such as Chris Craft, Rayson Craft, Hatteras, Uniflite, and many others selected FEs at some time or another. I'm trying to track down a military application for the FE, too. I suspect Uniflite may have made a boat used during the Vietnam conflict which contained a 390 marine engine, but I don't yet have any verification. One thing is for sure, boats used 427 engines as soon as they became available for cars - it may not have been a special "marine" version, but they were popular for the sportier craft. It was also neat to learn that the 352 was also offered as a marine-specific option. I'd previously only known of the offerings which Steve Christ (I just learned it's pronounced with a soft-"i", in case you're wondering) had mentioned in his great book. It's nice to keep learning more.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | RE: Military applications -- Robert, 10/03/2001
Thanks Dave for another great posting.
The military over here in Sweden is said to have used 427 marine engines in some old coast artillery towers. These are scrapped many years ago and it's very difficult to get any info out of the boys in green. It feels good however that we had a good coast line defense. |
| | | | | | | Swedish applications of the 427FE. -- Dave Shoe, 10/03/2001
It makes sense that Sweden might have some dealers carrying the FE line, as the bottom text line of the jpg posted at the opening of my "fun marine" thread (ref: http://jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=8397&Reply=8397 ) showed that the Dearborn Marine Engine Division, Eaton Manufacturing Company also had a line of Volvo marine engines which filled-out their marine offerings.
Interesting connection.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | | | RE: Swedish applications of the 427FE. -- Robert, 10/03/2001
The jpg was a little cut, but that's true. In a Parts and Service news Volvo Penta is also listed as one of the approved companies to 'marinize' Ford engines and call them OEM.
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| | | | | | RE: The New Holland TR-70 came with an FT engine. -- FE427TP, 04/10/2002
I got a E-mail once from norwayor finland where someone was inquiring about a 391 he pulled out of a locomotive and if he could use it for his vehicle |
| | | | | Robert, I'm looking for info on 1972 460 marine... -- Dan Davis, 04/09/2002
...does your catalog have this?
Cheers, Dan |
| | RE: Here's some fun 428 Irrigation motor info. -- Mel Clark, 10/02/2001
That is verrry strange. The exhaust looks like a truck manifold but the bolt and port pattern appear to be different. The head has the boss' for the air injectors like the 428, though not needed. The timing cover bolt pattern, just above the oil filter, looks strange also. It's curious as to why Ford would put a clutch actuating arm on an industrial engine as I've never seen another with a clutch, to my knowledge they use a drive plate that bolts to the flywheel just like a marine I/O set-up. another curiosity is the valve covers, they too are a bit different, somewhat like the 360 hp-352s without the nice little decal. |
| | RE:FT heads/int/ex/pan.. -- kevin, 10/05/2001
has seat inserts for non gas, bigger chambers too, no new piston needed $$ |
| Here's some fun FE marine info. -- Dave Shoe, 10/01/2001
The Feb 15, 1964 edition of "Automotive Industries" magazine did a little write-up on available inboard engines for the 1964 boating season.
Chris Craft had not yet switched to the FE, preferring the bigger MEL 430 engine (called the 431 engine by Chris Craft) for the past few years.
The FE, however, was moving into the marine scene big. In future years, Chris Craft would continue with the Chevy 283/327 for it's smaller V-8 boats, but move to the lighter weight FE engine to replace the aging MEL offerings.
For 1964, however, it was the Dearborn Marine Engine Division of Eaton Manufacturing company who held the FE banner high over the waters. Dearborn Marine (note that Ford headquarters is in Dearborn, a suburb of Detroit) offered 13 models of "Interceptor" inboard engines, ranging in HP from 85 to 400 (SAE gross HP). All appear to be FoMoCo-sourced.
Here's a fun little snippet from page 118 of this magazine.
Shoe.
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| C6 into 'bird -- Blinddog, 10/01/2001
I'm redoing my 390, based on a lot of info through this forum. Has anyone any info on the "cruso" tranny behind a built 390? Or any info on a C6 into a '64 'bird? I've never heard of "building" a Cruso to handle the torque I'll be wanting to shove through it. Thanks in advance, BD |
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