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| 390 Piston help. -- David Hadley, 09/22/2001
I am looking for a piston to give me 11:1 to 11.5:1 (flat top or dome only pistons with 0 deck height) compression using the stock 390 GT heads. I don't know how far my block is going to need to be boared out. I would prefer hypereutectic but will go to forged if needed. I know Federal Mogal offers a 12.?:1 forged but is there enough material to be able to cut the piston to get the compression I need? I need part numbers and suppliers. Thanks for the help |
| Read on another forum that FE's ..... -- Flack Jack, 09/22/2001
Are lightweights and not capable of any serious HP or torque. This guy was all over the forum spoutin' off this stuff (Ford forum too) and I just have to say : WHAT THE FLIP!?? Can't believe anyone would be ridiculous enough to believe and preach that stuff. The FE is legendary for torque and HP.....you can take a run of the mill Boss 429 (was there such a thing :-) and pop in 600 HP without insane modifications. Cam, head work and a few odds & ends make the Boss 429 a serious powerhouse. The rated 375 HP it was tagged with was mainly due to Ford's engineers de-camming the sasquatch out of the motor for fuel economy/insurance rates purposes etc but it can easily attain 600 HP with not so far from stock mods. "Some people" just don't get it I guess but give me the old FE and I'll give you one big, bad, mean, muscle machine! Long live the FE :-)) |
| | OK....big OOOPS here! :-) -- Flack Jack, 09/22/2001
The 429 Boss was not an FE engine (can't believe I did that) but the same basic truths can be said of the 390-428's. Geeeeez, hate when that happens! :-)) |
| rocker arms -- peter, 09/22/2001
I brought a 69 mach 1 428cj and there was three Nos ford rockers in the boot the rockers have a part # C1AE-6564 BUT ON THE BOX IT SAY'S C3AE-6529-A Will these fit my 428 or not? Can anyone shed some light as to what application these might fit. Any help would be appeciated. thanks Peter.... |
| | RE: rocker arms -- Mel Clark, 09/22/2001
I believe that FE rockerarms interchange. If they are non-adjustable they should be okay for your engine, I believe the ratio is 1.73 to 1 and the adjustable rockers are 1.76 to 1. The very early, '58 units may be different as engine technology went through a lot of changes in the early years of the FE series. |
| | | RE: rocker arms -- peter, 09/22/2001
Mel, thanks for the response. these have a strange moving circular steel ring at the valve end which sits on the valve and when the rocker moves this steel ring rotates to keep contact with the valve head and pushes a rod into the head of the rocker which is sprung loaded to return the steel ring to it starting place. And they have an adjustable nut and screw on the other end. I've never seen anything like it, then again this is my first real exsperience with Big Blocks.... |
| | | | The C1 number is a raw casting number... -- Dave Shoe, 09/22/2001
...the C3 number is probably the finished part number.
I recall seeing tis type of rocker before. I don't recall the specifics, but a 6-cylinder comes to mind for some reason. I don't have time to check right now (my library is a mess), but I don't believe this is a rare rocker.
Shoe. |
| | | | | It might be to an early '60s 223 CID six. -- Dave Shoe, 09/22/2001
I did find one piece of info which suggested the 223-six of the 1961-62ish period was available with either the "zero lash rocker arm" or without.
I suspect it may be a zero-lash rocker arm.
Shoe. |
| | | | | | RE: It might be to an early '60s 223 CID six. -- peter, 09/23/2001
Dave thanks heaps for your time, It looks like they are going to be good shelf material. |
| | | | | RE: The C1 number is a raw casting number... -- peter, 09/23/2001
Dave thanks I was mainly after whether they were for a FE and whether they were off my 428 cj.I guess not. Thanks for the response. Peter. |
| | | | | | RE: 223 vs. 427 -- Mike McQuesten, 09/23/2001
I think you guys have this pretty well figured out now but I just wanted to add a couple of quick notes. First those rockers as Dave said were the zero lash rocker introduced in '61 for the power house 223 six banger. They were designed to eliminate the need for rocker adjustment. The other thing is that the adjustable rocker used with the early solid lifter '58 332/352s is the B8A unit that was used throughout by Ford for all FEs with solid cams. |
| Pulleys? -- John, 09/22/2001
Will the waterpump pulleys off a small block ford work on an FE? |
| Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Darren, 09/22/2001
I just picked up a 64 Galaxie with a 289 2V. I was building a 390 & C-6 to go in to my 59 Ranchero but it was going to cost me more then the Galaxie to get it to have of the condition of the Galaxie and I like this Galaixe more then the Ranchero.
I just spent all this money on a nice 390 and B&M trannie how do I put them in my new Galaxie and what do I need to change. i.e. Radiator, suspense, driveshafts length, or and trannie linkages.
Any help would be great. And if any one wants a 59 Ranchero with a Manual 3 spd in it or automatic (not the B&M)you can have both, or the tranies E-mail Me. Pretty much any price will be fine.
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| | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- BOB HOPKINS, 09/25/2001
My opinion it should bolt in the factory made them that way, your going to have to upgrade sub systems. The 289 ''rad. may cool the 390 " but I think the hoses ar positioned wrong for the 390", so that means a big block rad, the 390" weights more unless you have alumin heads and intake,soyou prob. want stiffer front coils. The 390" C-6 trans is longer than the 289 " C-4 so that is a shorter drive shaft |
| | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Richard, 09/25/2001
Use '64 big block mounts, You will have to move the transmission crossmember back about 3 inches, reposition the front parking brake cable so it will reach, shorten the rear parking brake cables 3 inches, driveshaft is ok but you need to change the front yoke to a C6 one, make a speedo cable 3 inches longer, if you keep the column shift you need to find a '64 big block cross shaft from the frame to engine, change the throttle linkage to a '64 stick shift, use a big block radiator, and the big block power steering pump and bracket. That's all I can think of. Just nut and bolt stuff. e-mail me if you have any more questions and I'll give you my phone number. |
| | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Darren, 09/26/2001
Much thanks Richard. 2 ?s Why do I need to chagne the power steering pump and bracket.
What kind of stall would you suggest |
| | | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Richard, 09/26/2001
The small block p/s pump and bracket won't fit the big block. If your engine isn't too wild use a stock stall. |
| | | | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Randall Horn, 09/27/2001
I can't disagree at all with Richard. I would also point out that you'll need to change the springs in the front of the vehicle, since the 390 and C^ will place about another 150-250lbs on the front of the car. When you do, get the biggest springs that you can find (front and rear if you can afford it), and as big of stabilizer bar as is made also. You will really like how much better that car will handle with those 2 improvements, and actually how much safer it will be if you have to make any unforseen emergency manuvering (speaking from personal experiance on that one). Also I'm unsure about this, so don't quote me. You might want to see that the big block car had the same size brake drums and shoes as the small block car. |
| | | | | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Richard, 09/27/2001
All brakes on '64 Galaxies are the same EXCEPT Hipos,police, taxis and station wagons. All the Lopo cars had 11 1/32 X 2 1/2 front and rear. The rest were 11 1/32 X 3 on the front anr the 11 1/32 X 2 1/2 on the rear. If you want disc brakes '79 T-birds are a bolt on. Just make sure that you get the rotors with the 4 1/2 bolt circle. |
| | | | | | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Darren, 09/27/2001
My 390 has an RPM Performer maniflod/cam/water Pump, and 750 carb, MSD billit ignition & 6AL ignition box, 9.5/1 or 10.0/1 compresion, elctronic fuel pump, and stock rear end. 9" with 3.00/1. Headers and 1/2 Pipes. Saving up for X Pipes. Don't know what the heads are but the guy who built them put 3 angle Stainless Steel valves in it. If I post the Head # can you help? One other thing I got TCI converter and it didn't fit. Are there 2 diferent input shaft Dia. |
| | | | | | | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Richard, 09/28/2001
With that mild of engine I would still run a stock stall converter. Don't know about different size converters. |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- Darren, 09/28/2001
Any one know what kinda of heads these are Heads C8AE-H Timeign Cover C3AE-6059A |
| | | | | | | | | | Standard emissions heads. -- Paul M, 09/28/2001
With some work they can be made to be good high-compression heads, but you'ld be running close to, if not over, the price of a new set of Edelbrocks. If you're not to worried about performance, use what you have.
Just remember that getting headers could pose a problem, as most header manufactures don't take into consideration that these heads have a different exhaust port layout than the earlier heads. They sit about 5/16" lower on the head, making for nasty exhaust leaks quickly, with the wrong headers. |
| | RE: Putting a 390 in a 64 Galaxie -- R.C.V, 09/28/2001
Your email is not working. I have a big block rolling chassis which may have some of the parts you need. Email for info. |
| 427 headers? -- Joshua Carroll, 09/21/2001
Anybody know if the 63-64 long 427 headers will fit on a 65-66 F100 pickup truck (manual)? |
| 352 ?s -- kenny, 09/20/2001
i hve a stock 65 352 FE motor with the power option and i would like t know the hp rating and what icould do to increas the hp output |
| | Car or truck. -- Dave Shoe, 09/21/2001
Tell us more about what you've got.
As for HP, headers and an intake manifold are the first steps, a cam and valve springs are a second. Carb and oil pan are third. Before you go bumping HP, you may want to inspect the cylinders for a "wear ridge", as rings which are accustomed to low RPM driving don't always appreciate smacking into a wear ridge as the RPMs increase and stretch things out.
Shoe. |
| Timing cover Question? -- John, 09/20/2001
I have built a 427 stroker with a 428 crank and now am ready for the timing cover. The question is on the timing pointer as the cover I have came off a 390. Do I need a different pointer and if so where do I get one? One more question which Balancer do I use the thick 427 type or the std 390,428 style? |
| | It depends on how you intend to run the engine. -- Dave Shoe, 09/21/2001
Do not use FE dampers from 1967-earlier years unless you select the 427 racing type. These earlier dampers have an inertia ring which is 0.75" wide with a belt groove cast into it. These are not substantial enough for sustained 5000RPM speeds. They are fine for occasional squirts past 6000RPM, but nothing sustained.
Ford redesigned the FE damper at the start of 1968. This 1.10" wide damper is much more massive than the earlier damper, and it was used on all 360, 390, and 428 engines except the 428SCJ. The 428SCJ got a larger diameter 1.50" wide inertia ringed damper, much like the 427 race engine did.
Note also that all 1967-earlier FE car dampers use a different set of damper pulleys than the later ones. These earlier pulleys use a different 3-bolt circle diameter than the later crank pulleys, so they do not interchange.
If you do not intend to sustain RPMs above 6500 or so, and if you do not intend to supercharge your FE,, and if you run a nodular cast crankshaft instead of forged steel, then the 1.10" damper is a good choice. The 427 racing type damper is more effective as the RPMs climb, with the stiffer steel crankshaft, and with the large distortions which can be created with supercharging.
For competitive road course or circle track racing, an aftermarket damper should be seriously considered. Since I don't competitively race, I prefer the understated appearance of stock dampers, myself. My 427 racing damper sits on a shelf, and my 1968-later FE dampers get the workouts in my stroker 427s.
The timing cover for the 1.10" wide damper can be most any 1968-later timing cover and pointer. If you accidentally get a 428 SCJ timing cover with the oddball timing pointer, you are just plain lucky. Don't worry, it won't happen to you. If you happen to get a 1968-later industrial timing cover which still uses the early 0.75" damper, you're cheating. Cheating is good, but you either gotta keep looking for a later style timing cover and damper, or you've gotta bend the early timing pointer to match your later damper (and then you've gotta paint the degrees in the correct place on the damper -easy to do, actually).
The damper and timing cover is very common stuff. Ebay often sells the cover/pointer for $10.00-$20.00, and the same for the damper. Note the 360 damper works exactly as well as the 428CJ damper, but the later dampers (early70s-to-76) seem to have fewer degree marks (30 degrees total) scribed onto them than the earlier (68-to-early70s) dampers (40 degrees total - just guessing at this).
If you run your engine hard, you want to recheck the damper bolt torque every year or two. You also want to be sure the crank key which locks the damper to the crankshaft offers a nice snug fit, or else the damper can actually loosen the bolt in less than a year.
Shoe. |
| | | Thanks Shoe for the info! -- John, 09/21/2001
I have a C8AE balancer and a timing cover stamped 69 in the circle that I will use. What would you suggest for a flywheel? |
| Rods - std. or CJ? -- Mike McQuesten, 09/20/2001
I'd like an opinion based on facts from some folks. My question is with regard to the standard 390/428 rod vs. the 427 low riser/428 PI/Cobra Jet rod. A few years ago there'd been no question about which was the better high performance rod. Now I'm hearing from some who purport to be "in the know" that the better HP choice is the standard rod with ARP bolts. This is because the standard rods from around 1966(?) up were actually the same rod as the '27LR/PI/CJ rod except they were not equipped with the larger bolt/nut. Thus the standard rod has more meat left and that the ARP bolt/nut takes care of the weakest link. It's a fact that the ARP bolt now produced for the CJ/PI rod is designed to fit in the place of the larger bolt but is reduced down to the size of their standard bolt for the FE. I'm being told that this makes the CJ/PI rod more prone to failure than the standard rod equipped with ARP. So I'm just wondering what you think. I am running a C3AE 427 rod with ARP kit in my current 427 spinning on a C5AE $ sideoiler steel crank. I have a couple of sets of standard 390 rods that may be used. I do have a mixed set of C3AE/C6AE/C7AE (all PI/CJ/LR'27) rods that I may use too. This all for an "engine in planning". All things being equal, good rod prep, etc. What do you think? |
| | RE: Rods - std. or CJ? -- John R. Barnes, 09/20/2001
Every thing you said sounds resonable. I have run the LR rods for years with good prep and new ARP bolts and have buzzed them to 7500. Never had a problem and I use deep sump and HV HP pump and get 100 pounds oil pressure in the lights. |
| Thermostat?!? -- Joshua Carroll, 09/20/2001
What thermostate rating should I use on a 390 that has cast iron heads with 428cj valves, Edelbrock RPM intake, 427 cam, and a Holly 850? 180 degrees sound right? |
| | I think 190 would be a better choice..... n/t -- Flack Jack, 09/20/2001
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| | | i agree.... n/t -- richard, 09/20/2001
n/t |
| | I like the 180 nm -- ANDY, 09/21/2001
nm |
| | RE: Thermostat?!? -- BOB HOPKINS, 09/21/2001
MY $0.02 A 160* thermo will make the most power in the good old summer time { I know all the experts say the engine will be more efficent with a hotter temp.as I said my $0.02} It will help keep the engine compt cooler and cooler air in carb makes power the engine sI have always worked on ran better with a 160* stat, and a 180-195* in the winter,I' one of those guys that don' mind changing I drive a Ford vehicle not a never work on Maytag washmachine. "I bet this starts somtin' |
| | | "Start somtin'"? Well if you insist ......:-) -- Flack Jack, 09/21/2001
I would think that on long hauls/drives in the summer that a 160 would not allow sufficient cooling time and possibly leave you with the hood up on the hi-way. At 160 in brutal summer heat the radiator wouldn't have enough time to cool the water down before it was recycled, eventually overheating because the water would be essentially, continuously cycling. In the winter this would not pose such a problem but in the area of California where I live the summers hit anywhere from 103-113 degrees and that 160 t-stat would play havoc on the cooling system. Contrary to running cooler & making more power it would begin to run hotter after a time, make much less power and many more problems. However, this is only my couple of zincs on the matter :-) |
| | | | RE: "Start somtin'"? Well if you insist ......:-) -- richard, 09/21/2001
to a certain extent you both are right. it depends on how efficient your cooling system is as to how well it will tolerate a colder or hotter tstat. my grand marquis's system was marginal and would heat soak to the point of being too hot after shutting down after a freeway run of about 100 miles. in that case a colder tstat was the only way to go. now that i have the heavier duty radiator i am going to switch back to the 192 tstat that the factory put in. |
| | | | | RE: "Start somtin'"? Well if you insist ......:-) -- BOB HOPKINS, 09/25/2001
The reason the factory installed the higher 192-195 stats was for emission reasons, it's easier to pass idle smog emissions at a higher temp,and if you remember at first they were strugling to git cars to pass?? |
| | | | What th flack jack? -- BOB HOPKINS, 09/25/2001
I been running 160* thermo's every summer since I started working on cars in 59-60, that was a spring rithual back then to change from the winter 180* stat flush the system and install a 160* stat,and everfall revurse the deal. On my 390" truck I have a 160* stat for the summet runs from the east coast out along I-70 to St Louis "vacation" and back and at 70+ for the 16-20 hours ,NEVER have I had a prob . |
| | | | | Oh sure, take my name in vain :)) -- Flack Jack, 09/25/2001
Hey whatever works Bob, no problems here. I rebuilt a lil' 302 with all the goodies, ported/polished heads etc and the entire cooling system is brand new. I installed a 160 t-stat and she kept getting hotter till on long runs I didn't trust it much. Pulled the 160, installed a 190 and never run hotter than 180-190 now no matter how long I run it. Guess it could have something to do with the milling/porting/headers etc that makes it run a bit hotter but it's been my experience that a 190 is better in summer. Like I said "just my couple of zincs on the matter". Of course a 390 big block's radiator holds like 85 gallons of water so that too could be the difference.
P.S. Yes I was kiddin' about the 85 gallons of water :)) |
| | | | | | 85 gallons? They only hold 77!! -- Paul M, 09/25/2001
Who you trying to fool!?!?
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| | | | | | | RE: 85 gallons? They only hold 77!! -- richard, 09/27/2001
i dont know my grandmother's 68 custom took 91 gallons, must have had the heavy duty cooling system(lol). |
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