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 |  390 block -- BTC, 05/07/2006
I am rebuilding a 390, have had it bored, decked, line bored, and new cam bearings. I cannot find a casting number anywhere! The date code is 1L4. (1971,Nov 4) There are the standard dye numbers and "352", but no casting numbers- i.e. C6ME-B. Any thoughts? |
|  | Pretty normal for later blocks. -- Gerry Proctor, 05/08/2006
Since the casting number was useless for anything at that point Ford just quit using them on most FEs. |
 | 390 horsepower rating -- Gary, 05/04/2006
I own a 1966 Fairlane GT 390 4-speed. I recently read in a magazine that the advertised horsepower (335) was deliberately underrated by Ford. Does anyone know if this is true, and , if so, what the real horsepower rating was supposed to be. I had never read anywhere else that the horsepower on this engine was underrated. |
| 428fe timing chain noise -- mike, 05/04/2006
Getting that "slushing" noise of a loose timing chain at 2000 rpm or between up/down shifts. Should I expect trouble, or is this part of the deal. Think it's a 63 T-bird in my Cobra, Thanks mke |
| | RE: 428fe timing chain noise -- giacamo, 05/04/2006
check the fuel pump some times thay make a hellof a noise if the spring go,s out...... |
 | Mr. F -- salid, 05/03/2006
Can I get some contact information please? I have an early 63 "Stock Cars for the Drags" magazine that I'd like to post the 406 section of. I scanned it into a pdf, but it's still nearly 4 megs. There are 7 pages with quite a few pictures and an excited discussion of the new crossbolted mains for 1963 (they apparently didn't know about the 427 yet or they would have really been excited). Interesting reading, but all from the drag racing perspective. It may be too big to post on this site, do you have another method we could share this? |
| point adjustment -- erin, 05/03/2006
I recently did a tune up on my 67 coupe (289 v8) to solve a few problems I was having keeping my car running. I changed the points, spark plugs, condensor cap, rotor, and adjusted the carberator. Everything is right on according to my Chilton's manual. But the engine is still not running smoothly when it is not idleing. I thought it might be the points, so I readjusted them and drove the car for about 10 minutes and the problem seemed to be fixed. Then I tried driving the car 2 hours later, and I started having the same problem. I have a manual transmition, with a two barrel Holley carb adjusted to 19 psi. The idle is at 600rpm. There are no vacuum leaks from the carburetor. What could this be? |
| | Recheck the points, -- Lou, 05/03/2006
I had a problem with them moving in my 66 GT. New screws solved it. |
| | RE: point adjustment -- giacamo, 05/04/2006
buy some good quality points,like the acel most box store points wount hold a drell worth a dam nawadays....... |
| | RE: point adjustment -- Cobra 427, 05/06/2006
Put an igniter in it and throw those points away. Best money you can spend on it. |
| 67'S'code -- Mark, 05/02/2006
I have a 67 'S' code fastback 4 speed. There is no way this car has numbers matching, even the drivers door has been replaced. This was your basic run the ^&*(* out of it to look cool. My question is: I have found a 460 out of a 76 Mark V. Is there any way this thing will bolt up to my bell housing and flywheel? |
| | Flywheel, yes; Bellhousing, no. n/m -- Gerry Proctor, 05/03/2006
nm |
| how would these engines rate on the street/track? -- inquisitor, 05/02/2006
427ford
428CJ
429CJ
429SCJ
427 chevy
454 chevy LS/6
455 buick Stage 1
440
440 Six pack
426 Hemi
Which one was really the best? |
| | The one with more horsepressure and better driver. -- Gerry Proctor, 05/02/2006
nm. |
| | | How close were they in horsepressure? -- inquisitor, 05/03/2006
n/m |
| | Well, for one thing, you can't race 'em without a car. ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 05/02/2006
n/m |
| | | They did call the 426 Hemi "King Kong", -- Lou, 05/03/2006
for no reason. |
| | RE: how would these engines rate on the street/track? -- ak, 05/04/2006
Inquisitor, you forget the one of the greatest:
429 BOSS |
| | RE: how would these engines rate on the street/track? -- giacamo, 05/04/2006
the 427 ford hands down, thear,s no outher engines on the list i feal can take the abuse of all out racing, and hang together,like the 427 ford.... |
| | RE: how would these engines rate on the street/track? -- Cobra 427, 05/06/2006
You forgot the 427 SOHC
None of these engines would touch it. 640 hp stock form. |
| | | RE: how would these engines rate on the street/track? -- walt, 05/06/2006
lest we forget,in the old 60/70's street racing dayssomtimes that old bread and butter 390 properly cammed and geared,and as such with the 289 hipo,by the time the big cubes were catching up to you,you were braking for the next stop light,and i agree with giacamo,takes a licking and keeps on ticking,and why did richard petty go to ford in 69?,that boss couldn't deliver,as hoped,they were allowed to run that old boat anchor 427,enough said |
| | RE: how would these engines rate on the street/track? -- Snake, 05/09/2006
I don't see it on the list, but it would have to be the L88. I have one that is still in the crate from 1969. I am told it has around 600 hp. |
|  | I'll tell you -- Big Dave, 05/10/2006
The only engines worth competing are the 427, 429SCJ, LS6, and the Hemi. Just from that list. There are a couple of motors that would do better. The 427 would win du to one thing: power to weight ratio. Of the vehicles that those engine typically went into the 427 Cobra is by far the lightest. The LS6 is the most powerful at almost 500HP, but the Cobra was about half the weight (4000lbs to 2000lbs) of the LS6 Chevelle. The 429SCJ went into the Mustang, and the Hemi went into several Dodge/Plymouth creations. But the quickest of the bunch was the Cobra, laying down a mid ten second run of the quartermile. The next finisher was the LS6 Chevelle at about 11.2 or so. So, in their standard vehicles, the 427 would win. |
| | | RE: I'll tell you -- walt, 05/12/2006
how come that Lsomething motor didn't make much of a dent in the nascar circuit?,and my friends with them short skirt,4 bolters keep spinning bearings? i e 396/427 chevs,at 6500 plus?,i just out revved them?i did pull 8000 rpm from my 427 ford,they were banging some moved metal by then,and ha d no probbs with the 429/460.in mustangs,and i forgot to say,stock 390 mustang,11.4s nhra record postedstock class legal for a 67,so in other words that big chevie was more horses than the hemi or the sohc,tunnel port and just as reliable? as you try to say?,thats a new one for me |
| | | | RE: I'll tell you -- Big Dave, 05/13/2006
The LS6 was not in NASCAR because the cubic inch limitation was 427 (the Ford 427 was actually displacing 425ci, but Ford rounded to 427. Do the math.). The LS6 was a 454, too big by 27 cubic inches. Also, the SOHC and the Tunnel Port were not on the original list. If they were, the SOHC would come out on top. But neither engine was offered as a factory option, all of the engines on the list were. Even then, I did say that the 427 would come out on top, didn't I? Most of those motors had about the same horsepower, but the weight of the car varied. Therefore, I stand by my original decision. |
| | | | | RE: I'll tell you -- walt, 05/13/2006
did i say anything about ls6,i was thinking of the 88 motor,and true if you square the bore,and miultiply pi,times the stroke,,times the cylinders.divided by the 2 or four stroke,theres the cubes(427)is a 424.7488 cubes,and what i was driving at,them chevies had an excellent design in the head area,ford used the rpm and reliability to match them,and i allway thought that them boss 351 302 heads,and 429.460's kind of copied them,but for an in line wedge motor,them fords were hard to copy,they tried it with that426 wedge chrysler,big cubes .in line valves, failed,that old boat anchor is still a legend,low,med high,tp or sohc |
| | | | | | RE: I'll tell you -- giacamo, 05/14/2006
Give them hell Walt,that old 3.784 stroked fe i feal,has ben thear dun that .and for the mopoe wedges i had my fill of thouse handgranade moters i,v seen nouthing like the 427 that can take the rpm,s and still be a threat in any moter sport, |
| | | RE: I'll tell you -- walt, 05/13/2006
ps dave i miss understood your opening comment about the 427,i apoligize,i stand corrected |
| | | | Was the 428CJ more of a middleweight -- inquisitor, 05/14/2006
compared to the 427's Hemi's and big block chevy's? |
| | | | | Yes -- Big Dave, 05/14/2006
Unfortunately yes, Inquisitor, it was. It was rated at 335 or so HP (although it was actually pushing over 400) and its downfall was its long stroke. Although the top end (heads, itake, cam) was good, it just didn't make the best of that long (3.98") stroke. The 427 was a big-bore (4.23"), short stroke (3.78") monster, and the LS6 had a top end from hell. A good thing, though, was that a gearhead was able to swap many 427 top end components to the 428, it had a bore large enough to clear the massive (2.19") valves. In the aftermarket, the 428 ran with the best; but in stock form, the 428 was eclipsed by it's smaller brother.
By the way, Walt, I didn't mean to sound rude. My apologies if I did. |
| Ford Cobra jet heads -- Lloyd WInstead, 05/01/2006
I have a set of heads stamped C1AE-6090A
Please help me determine their exact application
Thanks LLoyd |
| | RE: Ford Cobra jet heads - NOT -- Royce, 05/01/2006
Those are 1961 Ford 352. |
| C4AE 6090G heads -- Ed, 05/01/2006
I need to know the application of C4AE 6090 G heads. I have trhese heads on my 64 R Code Galaxie and want to know if these are original to the engine. Thanks |
| | | RE: Sorry, Ed - they're not OEM 427 heads. Start clicking... -- Irv, 05/03/2006
Mr. F,
On one of these threads someone asked about updating the "Engine Spec Page" is there a link? |
| | RE: C4AE 6090G heads -- giacamo, 05/01/2006
but thear 64 heads; thay may of ben hoged out for some bigger valves,and made into a decent pair of lowriser replacement styal heads.or thay can be stock 352/390 heads? |
| Help! Got FE block Oiling Question? -- K-SKI, 04/28/2006
Hey there FE Pro's. I've got a simple question to ask you street machine guys, I'm building a 390 with Edelbrock heads and intake with a 270 comp cam for a street truck. I'm planning on reving the engine some where between 5500-6000 and need to know if anything needs to be done to the block for the oiling system? I will be using a windage try. And should I use a stock replacement oil pump or a high volume?
What I have is a fully machined 1970's .030 over block from P.A.W. with a fully balanced rotating assembly with forged FT's, but I asked if they did any of the oiling mods to the block to improve oil control, they said no.
So now I have a fully machined block but I don't know if only running the RPM's just short of 6000 do I really need the oil mods done like, drilling out the casting restriction in the back of the block, top of cam boss and drilling and flaring out the block side to the oil pump and oil filter? Or will the block be fine left alone stock with a replacement oil pump and windage try?
I really need your expert opions before I start to assemble my block!
Thanks for your time! K-SKI
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| | RE: Help! Got FE block Oiling Question? -- Bill F., 04/29/2006
Is the shortblock already assembled? If you don't want to go to the trouble of cleaning the block again, you should be alright with a high volume pump, a beefed up oil pump drive shaft and an extra capacity pan. One of the aftermarket ones. The Canton pans offer them without sacrificing ground clearance. Not sure about pans for your truck though. Probably don't have to worry about ground clearance there. You could probably do some work on the oil pump adapter to block opening. Maybe do it with the block on an engine stand with the block upright. (top side up, pan rails down)Just be careful of your shavings. I would stuff some towels all over the place to keep any errant shavings from going where the shouldn't. And make sure if you do the mods for the adapter, you use the correct adapter. The one with the flared, larger ports.
You could also restrict the rocker oiling too. Lots of options there. Holley jets, cut down pushrods, etc. I'm sure others will chime in here. All these things you could do without having to reclean block.
Also check that all your oil galley plugs are in place. Whether they be pressed in or screwed in.
Hope this helps. |
| | | RE: Help! Got FE block Oiling Question? -- K-SKI, 04/29/2006
Just a bit more info for ya, the block is not put together yet. Yes the stronger pump drive, and head restrictors are in my build plans. And the way it looks, my 65 2wheel drive F-100 doesn't have alot of room for a larger oil pan. It's a front sump.
Where do I get one of those larger flared oil filter adaptors?
Thanks for your inputs! K-SKI............ |
| | | | RE: Help! Got FE block Oiling Question? -- Bill F., 04/29/2006
They're usually all over ebay. You'll notice that the standard ones basically have an elongated oval shape(looking at the block side of the adapter). The better ones will flare out a little larger at the end of the oval and I think they may be a tad wider. Once you see the two different ones together you'll see what I mean. You can also contact Dennis at DSC Motorsports or Bill at Mansfeild Mustang. They will know exactly what you are looking for. Here are some links. I just checked and the DSC link doesn't appaer to be working. He has just moved his location. He is still in business. The net54 link is for an FE forum. VERY knowledgeable people. VERY. The link is for various vendors. But you can also click on the "forum" button. I think you will find them VERY helpful
http://mansfieldmustang.com/index.html
http://www.network54.com/Realm/fordfecom/links/
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| | | | | Help please! -- K-SKI, 04/29/2006
Would still like more opinions on how the stock block would survive at 5,500 rpms!
Theres got to be more of you thats done this!
Thanks guys....................k-ski |
| | | | | | RE: Help please! -- Bill F., 04/29/2006
K-Ski........If you want instant answers go over to the link I gave you, (the net54 one...FEFord.com), register then introduce yourself as a newbie. Post your questions and I'll bet at least 5-15 guys will answer your questions tootsweet. Alot of them are truck guys too. They'll probably tell you the same things I have already offered. |
| | Just want to add............. -- Bill F., 04/29/2006
if you don't want to register, just use the search option. All you would have to do is enter "oiling mods". That'll give you lots of information |
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