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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13753&Reply=13753><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Another Holley I.D.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brett, <i>07/22/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>The #s on the air horn are:<br>80457<br>1314<br>If you can tell me the CFM or anything else it would be appreciated.<br>Thanks </blockquote> Another Holley I.D. -- Brett, 07/22/2002
The #s on the air horn are:
80457
1314
If you can tell me the CFM or anything else it would be appreciated.
Thanks
 RE: Another Holley I.D. -- Royce Peterson, 07/22/2002
It's a Holley model 1860 4 barrel carb. It is rated at 600 CFM.

Royce Peterson
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13744&Reply=13744><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>FE to AOD</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jack Byrd, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Where can I get an adapter to attach my 390 to a hopped up AOD?<br><br>Thanks </blockquote> FE to AOD -- Jack Byrd, 07/21/2002
Where can I get an adapter to attach my 390 to a hopped up AOD?

Thanks
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13750&Reply=13744><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: FE to AOD</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>salid, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>try <a href="http://www.lentechautomatics.com/">http://www.lentechautomatics.com/</a>.  Lentech builds an AOD for the FE.  They may be willing to sell you the correctly cut front section to bolt to your AOD, but you would have to take it to a machinist to get the front cut off the AOD and then drill it for the bolts.  If you don't already have "THE" AOD built, you'd probably be better off to just get the Lentech.  They are spendy, and Lentech says that OD is only good for 400 ftlbs of torque.  Any strong FE will be making 400 lbs just about anytime the secondaries are open.  That fact has kept me looking for a better way.  Maybe a GearVendor OD, any one out there with any experience on these? </blockquote> RE: FE to AOD -- salid, 07/21/2002
try http://www.lentechautomatics.com/. Lentech builds an AOD for the FE. They may be willing to sell you the correctly cut front section to bolt to your AOD, but you would have to take it to a machinist to get the front cut off the AOD and then drill it for the bolts. If you don't already have "THE" AOD built, you'd probably be better off to just get the Lentech. They are spendy, and Lentech says that OD is only good for 400 ftlbs of torque. Any strong FE will be making 400 lbs just about anytime the secondaries are open. That fact has kept me looking for a better way. Maybe a GearVendor OD, any one out there with any experience on these?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13769&Reply=13744><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Torque in O.D.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Ed Foral, <i>07/22/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>You wouldn't have your transmission in O.D. with the throttle at wide open.  When you get much past half throttle, the transmission will shift down into third.    The AOD overdrive ratio is pretty wide from third.  You would only want to use it to knock your highway RPM's down, not as a fourth gear in a performance application.    <br>Also, a gear vendor unit does nothing to address the torque converter lock up issue.  With an AOD, you can lock up your converter in 4th for even better mileage than a gear vendor unit on a C-6, and still up your converter stall for the first 3 gears if you want.<br><br>Ed </blockquote> Torque in O.D. -- Ed Foral, 07/22/2002
You wouldn't have your transmission in O.D. with the throttle at wide open. When you get much past half throttle, the transmission will shift down into third. The AOD overdrive ratio is pretty wide from third. You would only want to use it to knock your highway RPM's down, not as a fourth gear in a performance application.
Also, a gear vendor unit does nothing to address the torque converter lock up issue. With an AOD, you can lock up your converter in 4th for even better mileage than a gear vendor unit on a C-6, and still up your converter stall for the first 3 gears if you want.

Ed
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13771&Reply=13744><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Torque in O.D.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>salid, <i>07/23/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Good info Ed, but it still leaves me with questions as to which way to go or whether to just leave good enough alone.  Both of my boys use AODs with their small block with very good results, but I got scared when I heard a limit on torque.  Did you try one or both of these solutions?  What did you like best with the FE?  Either way is a stack of change.  Right now, it looks like I could buy a lot $1.65 gas for the cost of the upgrade.  Of course you don't feel nearly as cool pumping gas as you do shifting to OD. </blockquote> RE: Torque in O.D. -- salid, 07/23/2002
Good info Ed, but it still leaves me with questions as to which way to go or whether to just leave good enough alone. Both of my boys use AODs with their small block with very good results, but I got scared when I heard a limit on torque. Did you try one or both of these solutions? What did you like best with the FE? Either way is a stack of change. Right now, it looks like I could buy a lot $1.65 gas for the cost of the upgrade. Of course you don't feel nearly as cool pumping gas as you do shifting to OD.
 RE: Torque in O.D. -- Ed Foral, 07/23/2002
I have always stuck with the fill up more often option for the cruiser, but I put an AOD in my Capri out of a 91 Mustang with over 120,000 miles on the transmission and did nothing internally but put new seals in.
I added a Lentech valve body and converter, and I turn low 11's at the track. I have a 4200 stall converter and 4.10 gears. That overdrive with converter lockup sure is sweet for going down the highway at whatever speed you want.

Ed
 AOD to FE adaptor plate -- Paul C., 07/23/2002
http://www.fbperformance.com/transmissions/pro.street.aod.lock.htm Look under OPTIONS for AP
 Just a thought... -- GCF, 07/24/2002
Since the FE motor does have good torque, why not lower the transmission ratios, install low-drag bearings for better efficiency, raise the ring and pinion ratio and go with a tighter convertor? TCI's 2.72:1 planetary gearset for the C6 would give you the same overall ratio in first with a 3.00:1 rear that you'd have with a set of 3.33:1's and a stock C6. Their "High Torque Towing" convertor claims to reduce slippage and heat buildup for lower rpms at highway speeds. If you wanted to go further, build a C4 for even less internal drag, use GER's 2.84:1 planetary gear for an even lower overall ratio (equal to running 3.48:1's) and use the same model convertor from TCI for the C4.
Just my 2 cents.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13740&Reply=13740><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Can a bad</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Turin, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>ground cable kill an alternator? how about other stuff? my battery seems not to be taking a full charge. dimm lights, and runs like crap. charge the battery up and runs great, then won't restart when warm. new ground wire, new coil.  the alt and battery are less than 3 months old. cools down after 3 hours and she starts, but runs like crap all over again.(weak spark) </blockquote> Can a bad -- Turin, 07/21/2002
ground cable kill an alternator? how about other stuff? my battery seems not to be taking a full charge. dimm lights, and runs like crap. charge the battery up and runs great, then won't restart when warm. new ground wire, new coil. the alt and battery are less than 3 months old. cools down after 3 hours and she starts, but runs like crap all over again.(weak spark)
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13743&Reply=13740><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Can a bad</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>John, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>A bad ground can indeed show the symtoms you describe.  So can a bad alternator.  It's easy to troubleshoot.  First, make sure you have a good connection between your negative battery terminal and the engine block and the alternator housing.  Then, with a charged battery, start the car and measure the voltage across the battery.  If it shows 12 volts, the alternator is not charging the battery.  If it shows close to 14 volts, then the charging system is working fine.  By the way...if you have a seperate voltage regulator, it can go causing the alternator to not charge the battery.  Check the connections to it as well.  </blockquote> RE: Can a bad -- John, 07/21/2002
A bad ground can indeed show the symtoms you describe. So can a bad alternator. It's easy to troubleshoot. First, make sure you have a good connection between your negative battery terminal and the engine block and the alternator housing. Then, with a charged battery, start the car and measure the voltage across the battery. If it shows 12 volts, the alternator is not charging the battery. If it shows close to 14 volts, then the charging system is working fine. By the way...if you have a seperate voltage regulator, it can go causing the alternator to not charge the battery. Check the connections to it as well.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13745&Reply=13740><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Can a bad</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Turin, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>regulator huh? I'll try it ! thanx! </blockquote> RE: Can a bad -- Turin, 07/21/2002
regulator huh? I'll try it ! thanx!
 RE: Can a bad -- Greg, 07/21/2002
A bad regulator can be tested by most retail auto parts stores i.e. autozone and the like. Mine was bad and produced some of the symptoms you described. on another thought do you have a good ground strap between the engine block and the body/firewall.
Greg
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13766&Reply=13740><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Can a bad</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jared, <i>07/22/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Sounds like the regulator. Also check the fluid in your battery and make sure the battery is large enough to handle your application. It's easy to overlook simple things when you are frustrated. </blockquote> RE: Can a bad -- Jared, 07/22/2002
Sounds like the regulator. Also check the fluid in your battery and make sure the battery is large enough to handle your application. It's easy to overlook simple things when you are frustrated.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13797&Reply=13740><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Can a bad</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Turin, <i>07/24/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>840 amp battery.  when dead the damn thing doesn't want to take a jump start ! what damage to the rest of the electric system will a bad regulator cause? Will I have to replace my alternator as well? </blockquote> RE: Can a bad -- Turin, 07/24/2002
840 amp battery. when dead the damn thing doesn't want to take a jump start ! what damage to the rest of the electric system will a bad regulator cause? Will I have to replace my alternator as well?
 RE: Can a bad -- John, 07/24/2002
Well....maybe. If the battery is bad, it can take out the alternaor and regulator...sometimes. Presuming the battery is OK, but just not charging, you can tell if the alternator is bad by getting the car started and turning on the AM radio. Turn the radio off any channels and listen for a LOUD whine overthe speaker. Rev the engine and if the whine goes up in frequency, then the diodes in the alternator are bad (at least one of them anyway). If not, then the regulator is probably toast. By the way, never have your car running when jumpstarting another car. The alternator can't handle the load and will fry. 60 Amp alternator.....300+ Amp starter motor...get the picture? You may have fried your alternator jumping some-one else's car.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13739&Reply=13739><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Holley Carb</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Brett, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Can anyone tell me the CFM and date of this carb? Here are the #s on the air horn.<br><br>LIST-3310-2<br>0416<br><br>Thanks </blockquote> Holley Carb -- Brett, 07/21/2002
Can anyone tell me the CFM and date of this carb? Here are the #s on the air horn.

LIST-3310-2
0416

Thanks
 It's a 750 CFM model 1850. -- Royce Peterson, 07/21/2002
This carb in it's original release of 0-3310-1 was original equipment on the 1966 Chevelle SS396. It became popular to install on all sorts of other cars when Edelbrock and Holley offered it as part of a package deal using Holley carb and Edelbrock intake in the late 60's and early 1970's. Millions have been sold.

Holley orginally rated it at 780 CFM but downrated advertised flow in the 1980's without changing the carburetor. They also eliminated the secondary metering block in favor of a metering plate about the same time.

Theses carbs need to be jetted down to work on a stock 428CJ, I have used 68 / 74 jetting with success. A 390 would need to go down a little further.

Royce Peterson
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13738&Reply=13738><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Power Steering Pump Pulley Removal</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jared, <i>07/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 1965 Galaxie with a 352 no A/C Ford power steering pump. How do I remove the pulley? The shop manual says to use tool T65P-3A733-A. Is there another way? Is this tool available, either new or a loaner from the parts store? Thanks  </blockquote> Power Steering Pump Pulley Removal -- Jared, 07/20/2002
I have a 1965 Galaxie with a 352 no A/C Ford power steering pump. How do I remove the pulley? The shop manual says to use tool T65P-3A733-A. Is there another way? Is this tool available, either new or a loaner from the parts store? Thanks
 RE: Power Steering Pump Pulley Removal -- Royce Peterson, 07/21/2002
Snap - On and KD both still sell this tool. I bought one from Snap - On about 10 years ago for around $30.00.

Most auto part stores sell K-D tools.

Royce Peterson
 My local auto parts store removed and... -- Dan Davis, 07/21/2002
reinstalled mine for $5. I stopped at several repair shops and none would do it for less than $30. I could not find a tool for less than $59.

Maybe ask your local independant auto parts store (not Pep Boys or the like) if they offer this service? If in the Detroit area, the name is United Auto Parts on Gratiot in Roseville.

Dan
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13735&Reply=13735><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>how much can a 428 CJ be SAFELY bored ?</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>jake, <i>07/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>what would the odds be of getting into a water jacket in a overbore?<br>the 428 heats up real quick, the owner mentioned  it might be a water jacket, or could it be a head gasket.<br>with a head gasket wouldn't water be coming outside the engine?  He said it was rebuilt, bored .30 over  If it is a water jacket I assume the block is toast, correct?<br>I appreciate any insight anyone has. </blockquote> how much can a 428 CJ be SAFELY bored ? -- jake, 07/20/2002
what would the odds be of getting into a water jacket in a overbore?
the 428 heats up real quick, the owner mentioned it might be a water jacket, or could it be a head gasket.
with a head gasket wouldn't water be coming outside the engine? He said it was rebuilt, bored .30 over If it is a water jacket I assume the block is toast, correct?
I appreciate any insight anyone has.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13736&Reply=13735><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>This is discussed here a lot...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dan Davis, <i>07/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>...see this old post <a href="http://fomoco.com/forum-ford-fe/reply.asp?ID=9993&Reply=9993">http://fomoco.com/forum-ford-fe/reply.asp?ID=9993&Reply=9993</a> or hit the search button below and find more threads.<br><br>Regards,<br>Dan </blockquote> This is discussed here a lot... -- Dan Davis, 07/20/2002
...see this old post http://fomoco.com/forum-ford-fe/reply.asp?ID=9993&Reply=9993 or hit the search button below and find more threads.

Regards,
Dan
 more... -- Greg, 07/20/2002
A blown head gasket would be easy enough to diagnose with a compression test. I had one blown that produced none of the classic symptoms except for the heating up. Always check the least expensive first.
greg
 shaker bracket -- Jeff H., 07/20/2002
Anyone know what the correct part number for the big block 69-70 shaker air cleaner bracket is? Is it C9ZZ-9A627-C? I am assuming that the 351 bracket is different.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13731&Reply=13731><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Pulling my hair out!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kathy, <i>07/20/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 67 GTA Convertible Mustang.  This is an S code with a blank color code and DSO LA (April) which Marti is working on.  My problem is the engine.  It should be a '67 390 but here are the numbers which reflect a 68?<br>Front Block  58 over 352<br>Above the starter is blank -nothing towards the front<br>Back of Block says 8M25811 - I think<br>Date Code W1 over 8M8 - I think<br>Heads are C7AE-A   W1 and DIF near spark plugs <br>Intake manifold C80E-9425-C Serial #15426378<br>Timing cover C8AE-6059-B<br>So is this a 68 390 or 428? <br>Thanks in advance! </blockquote> Pulling my hair out! -- Kathy, 07/20/2002
I have a 67 GTA Convertible Mustang. This is an S code with a blank color code and DSO LA (April) which Marti is working on. My problem is the engine. It should be a '67 390 but here are the numbers which reflect a 68?
Front Block 58 over 352
Above the starter is blank -nothing towards the front
Back of Block says 8M25811 - I think
Date Code W1 over 8M8 - I think
Heads are C7AE-A W1 and DIF near spark plugs
Intake manifold C80E-9425-C Serial #15426378
Timing cover C8AE-6059-B
So is this a 68 390 or 428?
Thanks in advance!
 RE: Pulling my hair out! -- Tom, 07/20/2002
well so far it looks like 68 something i lost my book-0-part numbers but for future refrence on the Intake thats not a Serial thats the Firing order
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13749&Reply=13731><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Pulling my hair out!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>salid, <i>07/21/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>your block is a Dec 8, 68 casting.  Heads are the "standard, found on everything, small runner/valve" 67 version. Intake is a CJ, great intake, although a little heavy.  What you have here is a rebuilt engine of unknown displacement, built from parts from 67 and 68.  You can look on this forum to find some trick to get a good idea what the stroke is, but you can't really tell what the bore is without yanking a head.  You didn't find anything on the block like a C6ME-A?  My guess is a rebuilt (probably bored something like 30 over) with the CJ intake.  With 390GT or better cam and a good set of headers, this should be a strong running setup. </blockquote> RE: Pulling my hair out! -- salid, 07/21/2002
your block is a Dec 8, 68 casting. Heads are the "standard, found on everything, small runner/valve" 67 version. Intake is a CJ, great intake, although a little heavy. What you have here is a rebuilt engine of unknown displacement, built from parts from 67 and 68. You can look on this forum to find some trick to get a good idea what the stroke is, but you can't really tell what the bore is without yanking a head. You didn't find anything on the block like a C6ME-A? My guess is a rebuilt (probably bored something like 30 over) with the CJ intake. With 390GT or better cam and a good set of headers, this should be a strong running setup.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13759&Reply=13731><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Pulling my hair out!</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Kathy, <i>07/22/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Thanks for your reponse!  I cannot find a C6ME-A but I will be pulling the engine next week. </blockquote> RE: Pulling my hair out! -- Kathy, 07/22/2002
Thanks for your reponse! I cannot find a C6ME-A but I will be pulling the engine next week.
 RE: Pulling my hair out! -- Ken Cenicola, 07/23/2002
I've been told that matching the CJ intake to non CJ heads is not a good idea because the in-rushing air from the large ports of the intake hit the smaller opening of the standard head and it creates a flow obstruction, eddie currents etc... The engine obviously will still run, but it's not taking advantage of the CJ intake.

 Received my E-Bock intake-PLEASE help. . . -- Nathan, 07/19/2002
This message is for ANYONE that has an Edelbrock X F-66 cross-ram:

I just received mine today, and as I had read about the distributor situation on the MT, and other's comments about the e-bock, I got my DuCoil distributor (dual points, condensors, and coils) out to see if it would fit. This distributor is a bit larger in diameter than a FoMoCo points dist., but smaller than a Duraspark (which I have read wont fit). I did a mock up of the intake & distributor on the bench, and it is going to be VERY CLOSE! All of my FE blocks are in storage 10 hours away, so I can't tell for sure. . .

So, if one of you will PLEASE do me a favor, I need to know 2 or 3 measurements:
1) What is the diameter of your distributor at its widest point (probably the cap)?
2) What is the distance from the distributor to the intake runner at the closest point?
3) What is the height of this closest point as measured from the horizontal surface where the distributor goes through the intake?

PLEASE, be as accurate as you can be, as these three measurements will let me figure out if my distributor will work or not.

I really think these two would make a KILLER retro set-up for my Galaxie, but if it wont fit, it wont fit. I am more partial to the DuCoil than I am the intake, so if it ends up not fitting, the intake will be for sale or trade for another "exotic" intake. . .

Thanks,
Nathan
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=13725&Reply=13725><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Correct rocker arm ratio...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Boydster, <i>07/19/2002</i></font><br /><blockquote>Does anyone know the correct rocker arm ratio for a '67 410 cid. I've seen both 1.76 and 1.73 listed for this motor. Thanks for any info. </blockquote> Correct rocker arm ratio... -- Boydster, 07/19/2002
Does anyone know the correct rocker arm ratio for a '67 410 cid. I've seen both 1.76 and 1.73 listed for this motor. Thanks for any info.
 RE: Correct rocker arm ratio... -- Royce Peterson, 07/20/2002
The stock ratio for a 410 was 1.73 because all 410's had non adjustable rockers.

Some 352's, some 390's, some 428's and some 427's had solid lifter cams which required the adjustable rockers. Adjustable rockers have the 1.76 ratio.

Royce Peterson
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