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 |  28 or 31 spline from the factory?? -- BB67FB, 04/03/2005
I have a 67 mustang S code - did these cars come with 28 or 31 spline axles? I am looking at buying a new center section and need to know. Is there any way you can tell without taking one of the axles out? thanks! |
|  | RE: 28 or 31 spline from the factory?? -- raycfe, 04/03/2005
most likely 28 spline and looking at the axle end in the center of the brake drum it will be hollowed out. Alot of 31 are flat with 2 drilled type holes. Best to pull the axle, but my vote is 28 spline |
|  | RE: 28 or 31 spline from the factory?? -- GREG F, 08/20/2005
28 spline |
 | FE Intake -- Paul, 04/03/2005
I have a 68 Galaxie that had an engine swap at some point. It's still an FE but has a intake that I cant track. Maybe some one can.
C9ZE-9425B on the #1 intake runner.
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| |  | RE: See that little 'Search' button? Here's a sampling ... -- Paul, 04/03/2005
made my search to broad, Ill be more specific next time.
Thanks |
| | | | Gotcha. Watch for vagaries of punctuation & spelling, too. [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/03/2005
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| dress up parts -- bill, 04/02/2005
who is the best source for dress up parts for my 390? Parts such as pulleys and brackets. |
| | RE: dress up parts -- Patrick, 04/02/2005
hey bill,
you could tru www.summitracing.com and www.californiamustang.com. i was flipping through my summit catalog and there were some chrome stuff for your engine (valve covers: EDL-4462, etc). it is easier to order the calalogue than to search the website - they have alot of chrome accessories for big block fords that summit makes themselves.
patrick |
| | | RE: dress up parts -- Walter, 04/04/2005
Eldebrock makes a nice polished Al Waterpump; Tuff Stuff makes Chrome Alternators, Starters, Waterpumps; FPA ceramic headers & pol al Alt bracket; Ford Racing for chrome waterneck. |
| | RE: dress up parts -- Walter, 04/05/2005
March Performance Pulleys & Brackets should cover what your looking for. |
| 1969 Mustang Engine VIN -- Rick, 04/01/2005
Hello, I am looking for some accurate information on Matching Number Mustangs.
Meaning, I have a 1969 Mustang Fastback with a 428CJ (9F02R118103), and would like to know if my block is a numbers matching block. I have done some research and have found where to look, so I did.
I found 9K103. I have seen where people have said there motor has 8 charactors, and I can only see 5 charactors. I have been told that a Mustang cannot have the "K" , because this is for Torino's , Fairlane's, etc.
Question: Can anyone tell me for sure what's what? I think it would be almost impossible to find a block from another cobrajet car with the last three numbers 103 and it definetly hasn't been restamped.
I know this is lengthly but I am trying to be a clear as possible and give what information I have.
Thank you.
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| | Where'd you find that, exactly? What's the block's casting-date? [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/01/2005
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| | RE: 1969 Mustang Engine VIN -- Mark Viera, 04/01/2005
Rick,
Is it possible that the 2nd letter is a an F and not a K? The second letter in the partial VIN on the block is for the assembly plant. As far as I know Mustangs were only built in Dearborn (F), San Jose (R) or Metuchen (T). The partial VIN should read Year, Assembly Plant & six consecutive unit number. So yours should read 9F118103.
With that said, you should keep in mind that when the assembly workers were stamping numbers on the blocks, they had no way of knowing that over 35 years later Mustang folks would be deciphering their work with a fine tooth comb. I could easily see an over worked assembly line worker not even stamping numbers on some blocks to try to catch up or doing a poor job of stamping it. The block in my car (non original motor) is very hard to read. I used a hunk of clay & pressed it against the block so I could look at it in better lighting because it is very uneven & hard to see. If you know that it has not been re stamped, then I would not worry about it. I have heard stories of “one owner documented cars”, with no or incorrect stampings.
One other thought.
You should check the “Casting Date”. The block should have casting date no more then a few months ahead of the cars built date.
Here is a great site that may help you http://www.428cobrajet.org/id-block.html
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| | Later dated "K"s stood for 429... -- Jerrell Snell, 04/01/2005
Not sure if this applies here or not.
Snell |
| | RE: 1969 Mustang Engine VIN -- Rick, 04/06/2005
Thank you all for the responses. I have had alot of varying opinions about this subject. Some people emailed me directly and didn't post the responses here and some I talked to on the phone. After reading all the emails both posted and non-posted I have come to the conclusion that the motor is in fact original to the car. I say this due to a multitude of reasons, but mainly I know that Ford had production issues with the volume of 428CJ requests and used "A" blocks and blocks with no markings, etc. So I feel its not out of the question that my block having a "k" after the 9 instead of the right letter (D,T,M,R) is another one of the "borrowing" Ford did from other blocks "like the Fairlane/Torino". So in conclusion the fact that the block number is only a partial vin I am convinced its original, because what are the odds of someone locating a Fairlane block with the last 3 numbers matching my VIN and if someone was to restamp numbers why do it wrong?
Also my car has been parked since 1974, with the original owner telling me the block has never been out of the car. This car has been sitting since 1974 when it sucked a valve and the shaker was never covered and the motor was full of water. When I pulled the motor , water ran out of the crank seal for over an hour and don't mean just dripping. Its at the machine shop and he's trying to get the other 6 pistons out.
If any of you want to see what I mean by the block was full of water , I have pictures of what the top of the heads looked like when I took the valve covers off.
Thanks everyone for your input. |
| | | Hey, Ric, with Mr. F's permission . . . -- Orin, 04/06/2005
. . . you could probably post those photos. they'd be a good "show and tell" of the rest of us . . . . |
| | | Uh-huh...so, no point in answering my questions? ;-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/07/2005
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| | | | RE: Uh-huh...so, no point in answering my questions? ;-) [n/m] -- Mark Viera, 04/07/2005
Mr F,
I was waiting for the answer to your question as well. After reading your post, I thought the number sounded a lot like a casting date. |
| | | | | ...or date of assembly. Anyway, onto new business. :-) [n/m] -- Mr F, 04/08/2005
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| | | | | | Mr F, Just curious... -- Mark V, 03/28/2006
..what brought this post backup to the top after almost a year? I do not see any new replies.
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| | | | | | | Someone 'bumped' it, but O/T. I relocated their post. [n/m] -- Mr F, 03/28/2006
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| PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Ken, 03/31/2005
I installed the aluminum PI intake on my 69CJ ram air. The correct PI pcv tube from Mansfield Mustang does not clear the air cleaner! How are you supposed to connect the pcv system? |
| | Not surprising - after all, Ford didn't install PI intakes on CJs. [n/m] -- Mr F, 03/31/2005
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| | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Bic, 03/31/2005
As Mr. F says you will not be able to install a stock '69 CJ PCV system on your '69 with a PI intake. You may be able to use a '70 type system. Check out the Mansfield Mustang web page for pictures. I too have a '69 with a PI intake but I run a 750 Double Pumper so I have my PCV valve into the base of the carb. It isn't "correct" but it works. |
| | | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Ken, 04/01/2005
Thanks Bic. The double pumper has a pcv provision in its base? The intake has a threaded hole in the back of the carburetor mount. The hose from the 70 setup might hook up to that with an adaptor. Otherwise the 70 setup does look like a clean way to go.
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| | | | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- raycfe, 04/01/2005
You can use the 70 setup or a 14' hipo aircleaner, To show off that nice PI intake. |
| | | | | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Ken, 04/01/2005
I'll have to use the 70 setup. I'm limited to the stock air cleaner because this is a ram air car. I did leave the intake natural to show it off. |
| | | | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Bic, 04/01/2005
Yes Ken the double pumpers have a nipple at the rear for a PCV connection. The threaded hole you at the rear under the carb mount is much too small for a PCV connection, at least it is on my intake. I originally had my PCV hooked up to a fitting in the intake. The fitting also fed the power brake booster. I changed this setup because it looked to me like cylinders 3 and 4 were running a little lean. Hope this info helps. |
| | | | | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Ken, 04/01/2005
This does help. I thought the hole in the intake carb mount was kind of small for a pcv hook up. I also thought about hooking it to the brake booster conection as you did. That might explain why the 69 setup used two intake ports. I'll look into the 70 base plate and front and rear intake fittings. |
| | | | | RE: PCV connection with PI Intake on 69CJ -- Ken, 04/02/2005
bic;
Did you keep the 69 intake fittings and plug the pcv tube connections or switch to the 70 intake fittings and use a hose for the power brakes intead of the 69 tube? |
| speedometer cable o-ring? -- Bob S., 03/30/2005
I recently put my motor back in my 67 Galaxie (65+ 3 spd cruisomatic) and when installing the speedometer cable to the trans, notcied that there was a black o-ring (actually the remnants of one) that was in the housing. My question is this; Is this o-ring an identifiable part or is it part of a new speedometer cable? Any info would be helpful
Thanks
Bob |
| | Auto part store? -- Royce, 03/30/2005
Any auto part store should be able to match one up for you if you provide the diameter and thickness needed.
Or go to your nearest automatic transmission shop.
Royce |
| 428 police interceptor vs 390 ? -- david s, 03/29/2005
Is there any way to quickly tell if I have a police interceptor 428 block? Casting code says C7me-a. The guy represented it as a 428 block just want to make sure...thanks |
| | RE: 428 police interceptor vs 390 ? -- Big Dave, 03/29/2005
That is the casting number for the 428, check my other post about the crank info to get a little more specific. By the way, what are the castin numbers on the heads and intake? |
| | | That is a meaningless casting number. -- Royce, 03/29/2005
C7ME-A appears on 352, 390, 410 and 428 blocks. No way to tell a 428 for sure except to look at the rear face of the block. It should have a large crude "A" or "C" on there if it is a 428. The bore should be 4.13" or bigger if it is a 428. No other way to tell.
Royce |
| | | | RE: That is a meaningless casting number. -- Big Dave, 03/29/2005
OK, the casting number may be meaningless, cause Ford stopped using casting numbers to ID blocks in '66. This number is even foung on the 330FT block. And the A on the back should mean that it was a standard passenger block, and the C should mean CJ (in most cases, shortages caused Ford to substitute blocks periodically). And dont forget about the reinforcment webbing on the main webs. However, it is true that all 428s had 428 cast in the water jacket? |
| | | | | Not true in every case, Dave. -- Gerry Proctor, 03/30/2005
Which isn't surprising for Ford. I have a complete and unmolested C6ME-A Q-code 428 engine (with an "A" scratch on the bell face) out of a '67 T-bird sitting in my garage. I have the engine tag and it shows a build in Sept '66. Expansion plugs are out and there is not a 428 to be seen anywhere in the jackets. I do know that it is, in fact, a 428 since I pulled a head to be double-damn sure. I also did the drill bit test, which it passed, just as a reference for the accuracy of this prelim test.
The engine currently in my Fairlane is a C7ME-A block and I know too that it is a 390.
There is only one way to tell with absolute certainty what you have with an FE and that is to go invasive...start pulling parts off. |
| | | | | 428 in the water jacket is not a good way either -- Royce, 03/30/2005
I have a friend who lives nearby with a block marked C7ME-A with 4.13 bores that sonic checks to have .060" cylinder walls in several cylinders. It has the 428 in the water jacket. It has the big A on the back too. It is a big old paperweight. It came from a Q code full size '67 Mercury and is a 428 but a bad one.
Royce |
| | | | | RE: That is a meaningless casting number. -- david s, 03/30/2005
Dave, The back of the block does not have an A or a C on it....does that mean it is not a 428 block? I guess the next thing would be to drop the pan and confirm the crank casting numbers. The engine is out of the car so it would not be a big deal. |
| | | | | | RE: That is a meaningless casting number. -- Big Dave, 03/30/2005
I don't know. Aparently everything I thought I knew is incorrect, mainly because Ford's casting numbers are useless to anyone who was not involved in the casting of the block. Good luck with your block. |
| | | | | | | Been there many times myself, Dave. -- Gerry Proctor, 03/30/2005
Don't feel bad. When it comes to Ford, any time you feel certain of something, there will always be significant exceptions to prove you (or me) wrong. My track record is probably poorer than yours. |
| | | | | | | | Get it sonic checked or.... -- Royce Peterson, 03/30/2005
Knock out the freeze plugs - all of them - and see what the largest size drill bit is that will fit between the bores. Then measure the distance on the outside. Subtract and you will know the wall thickness X 2.
If there is no A or C on the back of the block it is probably not a 428.
Royce |
| | | | | | | | | RE: Get it sonic checked or.... -- david s, 03/30/2005
Dropped pan and crank says 1ub so I'm assuming it's a correct 428 crank.Whats strange is the block does not appear to have the reinforced area down by the caps.Also does not have an A or C on the back of the block. Is it possible that it's a 390 block bored to 4.13 inches?Is there a problem doing that? Casting is a c7me-a. Thanks for any help. |
| | | | | | | | | | Sounds like a 410 Mercury -- Royce, 03/30/2005
Measure the bore. If it is 4.05 it is a standard bore Mercury 410.
Royce |
| | RE: 428 police interceptor vs 390 ? -- Gary, 06/09/2006
I have two 428 police motors I took out of two 1968 Highway patrol cars about 36 years ago. One I ran in a tow truck and now has incorrect heads and crank was turned when overhauled. The other motor was overhauled and took back standard bearings. This motor still has the original aluminum intake on it I have never checked nos. on them , but will ,and will get back to you on what mine say |
| 428 or not? -- david s, 03/29/2005
Question....any experts know hot to tell if a casting number C7ME-A is a 428 block? Outside of tearing the motor down and mesuring the stroke any other quick methods or numbers I should be looking for to confirm? Thanks for your help. David |
| | RE: 428 or not? -- Big Dave, 03/29/2005
You could punch out the freeze plugs, in the center one, on the cylinder wall, it should say 428. Not sure which side of the block its on, maybe both. All 428s, from the standard to the SCJs had 428 in the water jacket. Also, if the engine is out of the car, you could pull off the oil pan and look at the casting numbers on the crank. There should be one of these:
C6ME- '66-'68 428, including early '69 CJ
1U- same as above
1UA- early '69 SCJ
1UB- '69-'70 police, mid '69 CJ
A- late '69 to '70 CJ, (may also have 1UB on #1 counterweight)
B- Late '69 to '70 SCJ, (may also have 1UA on #1 counterweight)
All casting numbers on the #7 counterweight unless otherwise noted. Hope this helps! |
| Mustang front disc brakes -- ROG, 03/29/2005
I have a 70 mustang show and race car
and want to install 66 T-bird brakes like they did for racing years ago. I would like to know what they do with the long steering arms and any other info. |
| 390 - what do I have - what do i do -- Rob Staffie, 03/29/2005
I purchesed my 390 Mustang with the motor and trans out of the car. I know nothing about it. It is at the machine shop getting cleaned and fluxed to see if the block is good.
My block says 2U on it. I know I have GT heads though and correct 4v intake. Does this mean i have a truck block? If so, where do i go from here?
I'm looking to rebuild to a streetable motor with about 375-400 horse.
Any help or guidance is appreciated... I searched through the archives and am more confused than ever. |
| | RE: 390 - what do I have - what do i do -- Rob Staffie, 03/29/2005
i meant crank says 2U on it... |
| | | RE: 390 - what do I have - what do i do -- Big Dave, 03/29/2005
The crank is a 390 truck crank, nothing special. If you're not worried about making a numbers matching car, the GT heads and intake is a good place to start.
Get some good forged pistons with about a 9.5 compression, and a Comp Cams valvetrain. Also check out Crane, DSCmotorsport.com, Shelby, etc. Put a good exhaust on there as well, maybe some headers and Flowmasters. Get a little machine work done to the heads as well. Just a suggestion, maybe you can get some good ideas from that. Good Luck! |
| | | | RE: 390 - what do I have - what do i do -- giacamo, 03/30/2005
the 2u crank is the crank i like, most 2u cranks i send out to be ground and balanced come back with a tag stating no balance corection neaded.i use cast fed pistones flatops 4v tipe and average around 10-10.5 compres i,v never had a cast fed piston give out on me and thear easer to setup on balance i also use comp cams total valve train package thay work as advertized i only use forged pistons for allout racing thear are many fe bilds in this forum but i like to stay around 350 hp for the 390 thay seam to last 100000+ miles and still out preform most brand x moters........ |
| | | | RE: 390 - what do I have - what do i do -- Rob Staffie, 04/01/2005
Thanks guys, Big Dave, you mentioned the 2U crank is a truck crank - will it still perform as the original did on a 390 GT 4V?
I'm no big on matching numbers so the mods you mentioned are helpful but I want to be sure I'm strting with the right parts. |
| | | | | Crank -- Big Dave, 04/01/2005
Yes, the crank should perform the same. Just don't have the rod and main journals turned too much, that's bad for any crank. |
| | | | The crank -- Royce Peterson, 04/01/2005
2U is found on any 390 pickup or car crankshaft after about mid 1966 model year. It can be turned as small as .060" undersize with no incident using off the shelf bearings.
The 2U crank is also commonly found in 1968 427's.
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